The Religion Discussion

[illumin@ti]

but i did

[sparky]

You guys makes fun of other people belief and religion and it is ok for you

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

You guys makes fun of other people belief and religion and it is ok for you

where did I make fun of someone else's belief?

I was only trying to see the logic in some of megadoc1's beliefs so I could understand WHY he believed it.

You still did not provide empirical evidence that the earth is 6000 years old

[d spike]

megadoc1, what is your opinion on SDA and their beliefs and practices?

nothing much , they carry certain beliefs within Christianity based on a founder
with his/her theology

Good grief. Is there anyone here willing to translate this into English for me, please?
The words used in his answer I can recognize, but the order in which they have been placed don't make much sense.
His opinion is "nothing much"? (I have been saying that all along, and it's nice to know that he finally agrees with me )
How does one "carry" one's beliefs? Is this a reference to those folk who wear large crucifixes on a chain around their necks? Or those who walk around with magazines and bibles?
They carry them "within Christianity"? They don't go anywhere else, eh?
"Based on a founder"? If that is how you want to phrase it... what else does a "founder" do?
"with his/her theology" The gum-bumpers on this thread have been misusing this word when they want to refer to someone's personal religious view. (It makes them sound as though they know what they are talking about.) I have pointed this out before... there is no "your theology" and "my theology".
For God's sake, speak English!!!!

[d spike]

Megadoc either has no idea of what he is talking about, or he doesn't think while he writes. SDA beliefs are not at all the same as what he spouts.
Seventh-Day Adventism began in the mid-nineteenth century, when a Baptist preacher, who later repented of his folly, predicted that Jesus Christ would return in 1844. Miller had over 10,000 followers, many of whom sold their homes, gave away all their earthly possessions, quit their jobs, and waited eagerly for the Lord's return...
In came Ellen G. White to save the day, claiming that instead of returning to the earth, Jesus entered into the Holy of Holies in Heaven to finish His work of atonement. She termed this event the "Investigative Judgment," a doctrine not found anywhere in Christianity and or the bible.
"Carrying certain beliefs within Christianity", huh? The clear implication that Jesus' suffering and death on the cross did not complete the atonement for the sins of the world (in other words, Jesus is still working out Man's redemption) is a concept Megadoc has no problem accepting as being "within Christianity".

SDAs believe very strongly in both Faith and Good Works being necessary for salvation - not either one or the other, but both... and we all know where Megadoc stands on this issue! ...but Megadoc considers them fellow Christians...

"In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue." Ellen G. White. SDAs accept their prophetess' words as they do scripture. (In fact, their leaders used to get thrown out of the church for publicly doubting her veracity.) Is Megadoc saying that God's instructions via the apostles or Jesus wasn't as "earnestly" done as it was through this gracious lady? He's "cool" with that, I suppose.

I have no problem with the Adventists believing what they do. (The most honest and hard-working people I know are Muslims and Adventists.)
My 'beef' here has to do with good ol' Megadoc shooting from the hip, as he does, without first engaging his brain. His football match mentality simply places SDA on his side of his "us vs. them" scale - without knowing or caring what they actually believe.

You guys makes fun of other people belief and religion and it is ok for you

Perhaps, Sparky, if you gave a few examples of such an occurrence, instead of making a generalized statement like this, people might take you seriously. Whatever are you talking about?

[megadoc1]

megadoc1, what is your opinion on SDA and their beliefs and practices?

nothing much , they carry certain beliefs within Christianity based on a founder
with his/her theology

Good grief. Is there anyone here willing to translate this into English for me, please?
The words used in his answer I can recognize, but the order in which they have been placed don't make much sense.
His opinion is "nothing much"? (I have been saying that all along, and it's nice to know that he finally agrees with me )
How does one "carry" one's beliefs? Is this a reference to those folk who wear large crucifixes on a chain around their necks? Or those who walk around with magazines and bibles?
They carry them "within Christianity"? They don't go anywhere else, eh?
"Based on a founder"? If that is how you want to phrase it... what else does a "founder" do?
"with his/her theology" The gum-bumpers on this thread have been misusing this word when they want to refer to someone's personal religious view. (It makes them sound as though they know what they are talking about.) I have pointed this out before... there is no "your theology" and "my theology".
For God's sake, speak English!!!!

here we go policing again

Megadoc either has no idea of what he is talking about, or he doesn't think while he writes. SDA beliefs are not at all the same as what he spouts.
Seventh-Day Adventism began in the mid-nineteenth century, when a Baptist preacher, who later repented of his folly, predicted that Jesus Christ would return in 1844. Miller had over 10,000 followers, many of whom sold their homes, gave away all their earthly possessions, quit their jobs, and waited eagerly for the Lord's return...
In came Ellen G. White to save the day, claiming that instead of returning to the earth, Jesus entered into the Holy of Holies in Heaven to finish His work of atonement. She termed this event the "Investigative Judgment," a doctrine not found anywhere in Christianity and or the bible.
"Carrying certain beliefs within Christianity", huh? The clear implication that Jesus' suffering and death on the cross did not complete the atonement for the sins of the world (in other words, Jesus is still working out Man's redemption) is a concept Megadoc has no problem accepting as being "within Christianity".

SDAs believe very strongly in both Faith and Good Works being necessary for salvation - not either one or the other, but both... and we all know where Megadoc stands on this issue! ...but Megadoc considers them fellow Christians...

"In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue." Ellen G. White. SDAs accept their prophetess' words as they do scripture. (In fact, their leaders used to get thrown out of the church for publicly doubting her veracity.) Is Megadoc saying that God's instructions via the apostles or Jesus wasn't as "earnestly" done as it was through this gracious lady? He's "cool" with that, I suppose.

I have no problem with the Adventists believing what they do. (The most honest and hard-working people I know are Muslims and Adventists.)
My 'beef' here has to do with good ol' Megadoc shooting from the hip, as he does, without first engaging his brain. His football match mentality simply places SDA on his side of his "us vs. them" scale - without knowing or caring what they actually believe.

You guys makes fun of other people belief and religion and it is ok for you

Perhaps, Sparky, if you gave a few examples of such an occurrence, instead of making a generalized statement like this, people might take you seriously. Whatever are you talking about?

d spike you are so wrong about what u are saying concerning me and the more you try to justify what you are saying is the more
you talk about what you don't know
but I am gonna do like the rest (the smarter Christians) and leave you in your bubble....
remember you are the one who thought that me and toyo would cross paths
and we all see where you were very wrong...go on now now try to justify that

[megadoc1]

megadoc1 why can't you apply those all embracing words of the scripture to Catholics or Anglicans or Presbyterians? I do but I will get back to you on this later

^ yup some also people find solace in a cult and they call it a "group".

What group you talkin bout dey? de Non-Denominational group in woodbrook?

what eet name? Champion Dynamics?

I didn't name any group does it matter ? I think thats the easiest way to put this behind oneself call the group a cult and call it a day, no proof needed, hearsay is good enough to convince oneself but when positive claims are made bring proof them a say

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

does it matter ? I think thats the easiest way to put this behind oneself call the group a cult and call it a day, no proof needed, hearsay is good enough to convince oneself but when positive claims are made bring proof them a say [/color]

cult
   /kʌlt/[kuhlt]
–noun
1. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
2. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

claim
   /kleɪm/[kleym]
–verb
1. to assert or maintain as a fact.
2. to state as having existence; affirm; postulate.

pos·tu·late
   /v. ˈpɒstʃəˌleɪt [v. pos-chuh-leyt]
–verb
1. to claim or assume the existence or truth of, esp. as a basis for reasoning or arguing.
2. to assume without proof, or as self-evident

I never specifically said your group was a cult.
You claimed in this thread that you and your group can cure disease, heal people and cast out demons. You have since been unable to show proof of this claim in this thread.

I can't see how this is putting it behind oneself.

[Skanky]

The sooner people realise the concept of god and by extension religion, was designed to divide people and not unite them....as so aptly demonstrated in this thread.......the sooner the world will be a more peaceful place.

Hence god is the reason there will never be world peace.

[bluefete]

I told you so many pages ago on this thread that there was bestiality in Avatar and that part of the love scene between Jake & Neytiri was cut from the movie. People took me to task for making such a statement. (Right, Spikey?)

Well, now it seems that Mr. Cameron has decided to give it to you in small doses, 20 seconds at a time!

Of course, there will be many of you who still would not see what I pointed out so many pages ago.

A REALLY blue movie: Re-released Avatar to feature additions to Na'vi love scene

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 9:09 PM on 24th August 2010


Avatar's eagerly anticipated re-release will be an even hotter ticket with previously unseen additions to the movie's love scene.

The love-fest between Neytiri and Jake is one of the movie's scenes which will see significant director additions for the 3-D and 3-D Imax re-release on August 27 in the U.S..

Nine minutes of footage will be added to the blockbuster. Director James Cameron told MTV that this will include 20 seconds from what he joked was the 'alien kink scene.'

Blue love: Avatar's re-release will feature 20 moreseconds of Na'vi love

'It's been restored, every last frame of it. Seriously,' he said. He added that the scene would not change the PG-13 rating for the movie.

'I would call it more of an alien foreplay scene,' Cameron said. 'It's not like they're ripping their clothes off and going at it.'

Moviegoers can judge for themselves in advance. Cameron's actual script was briefly posted online and featured some breathless descriptions of the scene.

'The tendrils intertwine with gentle undulations,' one line reads. 'Jake rocks with the direct contact between his nervous system and hers. The ultimate intimacy.'

Alien foreplay: The original Avatar script laid out the scene featuring Na'vi tendrils intertwining with 'gentle undulations.'

Another added scene is one which Cameron calls 'the drums of war,' according to the New York Post. The scene further explains the human decision to wipe out the Na'vi which Cameron compares it to America's decision to invade Iraq.

'We had to provoke Saddam to do something stupid and it's like that with the human's invading Pandora,' said Cameron.

For those who want even more Avatar, the DVD and Blu-ray special will feature at least 16 extra minutes of footage when it released in November.

Love and war: The re-release will also feature additional footage explaining why the humans beat up on the Na'vi

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... z0xZoMQPLp

[d spike]

here we go policing again

Asking you to have the decency to communicate properly on a forum that uses language as the main medium to share ideas, is "policing"? Man, you clearly have issues with authority. Don't you want readers to understand what you are trying to say? Or are you just interested in the amount of pseudo-christian noises produced and emitted - not its reception? Cut out the gibberish.

d spike you are so wrong about what u are saying concerning me
Really? Considering that this is not a real response to my post that you quoted, I fail to see how you can claim this without proof or argument... or are you going to do like you did in the last thread, and claim that I am a liar - without proof or explanation? That is how you handle an opposing view?

and the more you try to justify what you are saying
Thanks for not reading my posts, as usual. I am not trying to justify, I gave examples to show clearly that you do not know that which you speak of. Do you have a response to that? (A lucid one, hopefully, not "cool" or "hmmm"...)

is the more you talk about what you don't know
Really? What errors did I make?

...go on now now

[d spike]

I told you so many pages ago on this thread that there was bestiality in Avatar and that part of the love scene between Jake & Neytiri was cut from the movie. People took me to task for making such a statement. (Right, Spikey?)

Of course, there will be many of you who still would not see what I pointed out so many pages ago.

" People took me to task for making such a statement" - I certainly didn't take you to task about any love scenes in the movie... If you have a problem with movie love scenes, then your cinema viewing opportunities must be limited to Pokemon and suchlike.

I had a problem with your claim of bestiality, though... if you could be more specific, that would help one understand your point of view - unless, of course, the site you clipped your rant from didn't have an explanation either...

Bestiality is unfortunately not uncommon where I grew up, so I think I would know it when I see it... (and remembering what some of the ex-wives looked like, I think I may have had some first hand knowledge! )

[megadoc1]

does it matter ? I think thats the easiest way to put this behind oneself call the group a cult and call it a day, no proof needed, hearsay is good enough to convince oneself but when positive claims are made bring proof them a say [/color]

cult
   /kʌlt/[kuhlt]
–noun
1. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
2. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

claim
   /kleɪm/[kleym]
–verb
1. to assert or maintain as a fact.
2. to state as having existence; affirm; postulate.

pos·tu·late
   /v. ˈpɒstʃəˌleɪt [v. pos-chuh-leyt]
–verb
1. to claim or assume the existence or truth of, esp. as a basis for reasoning or arguing.
2. to assume without proof, or as self-evident

I never specifically said your group was a cult.
You claimed in this thread that you and your group can cure disease, heal people and cast out demons. yes we do IN the name of JESUS CHRIST it is something that every Christian can/must do as commanded by Jesus
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

this is not something special to a group but to anyone who truly believes in Jesus
You have since been unable to show proof of this claim in this thread.
yeah ah know


I can't see how this is putting it behind oneself.ok but look how the book of john puts it
John 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

man will look for any excuse not to come into the light but thats nothing new to me
I did most of that in my time
so what I want to know is do you consider Christianity a cult?
and do you consider roman catholicism a cult?

[d spike]

Tall male blue frog copulates with tall female blue frog... how is that bestiality?
Bluefete, acquisition of an existence apart from your book, your paranoia, and the websites you browse for pickings to paste up (which are full of the writings of other little people stricken with a book and paranoia) should be attempted on your part, from time to time. Reality does exist beyond the glow of your monitor.

[megadoc1]

The sooner people realise the concept of god and by extension religion, was designed to divide people and not unite them....as so aptly demonstrated in this thread.......the sooner the world will be a more peaceful place.

Hence god is the reason there will never be world peace.

um Jesus never came to make peace in the world eh, doh let nobody tie you up with the jesus that just teach loving and kindness ,man in his natural state is an enemy to God but people who believes in and loves Jesus becomes his agents here on earth in which he manifest himself through them and because men hate God, they will hate on his agents
Jesus tells us
Matthew 10:34
34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
and
John 15:18
18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

now it is not the Christians who are the ones hating but the ones who does not know Christ will hate the ones who do ,any Christian who hates anyone good or bad does not know God

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

yes we do IN the name of JESUS CHRIST it is something that every Christian can/must do as commanded by Jesus
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

um Jesus never came to make peace in the world eh, doh let nobody tie you up with the jesus that just teach loving and kindness ,man in his natural state is an enemy to God

is this considered talking in tongues? Cause I don't understand what you are trying to say.

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

this is not something special to a group but to anyone who truly believes in Jesus[/color]

So if you drink some lanate, you will not get sick or die?

You have since been unable to show proof of this claim in this thread.

yeah ah know

because you can't prove it.

ok but look how the book of john puts it
John 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

man will look for any excuse not to come into the light but thats nothing new to me
I did most of that in my time

you assume that YOUR side is the light. A Hindu or Muslim person may not agree and say THEIR side is light. I am in agreement with the concept that John has put forward, but there are similar passages in every other religious text. SO what makes yours "light" and the others "dark"??

[color=#00BF40]so what I want to know is do you consider Christianity a cult?
and do you consider roman catholicism a cult?

today neither is considered unorthodox.

[illumin@ti]

um Jesus never came to make peace in the world eh, doh let nobody tie you up with the jesus that just teach loving and kindness ,man in his natural state is an enemy to God but people who believes in and loves Jesus becomes his agents here on earth in which he manifest himself through them and because men hate God, they will hate on his agents

Seriously guy, this is what your good religion/ obeah teaches you? when humanity desperate they really are willing to believe and propagate anything the magic tambourine man tells dem under de crusade tent yes. What an arrogant and foolish 'analysis' of the purpose of Jesus Christ and the role of man. With 'Good Christians' like yourself around, who needs enemies....

ps. you really do kill the whole gist of what ur trying to say with your grammar and / or lack thereof..

[megadoc1]

yes we do IN the name of JESUS CHRIST it is something that every Christian can/must do as commanded by Jesus
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

um Jesus never came to make peace in the world eh, doh let nobody tie you up with the jesus that just teach loving and kindness ,man in his natural state is an enemy to God

is this considered talking in tongues? Cause I don't understand what you are trying to say.Jesus never come to make peace on earth as some people believes and man in his sinful nature is an enemy to God

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

this is not something special to a group but to anyone who truly believes in Jesus[/color]

So if you drink some lanate, you will not get sick or die?
if someone tries to poison a Christian it is not gonna work as promised in the scriptures

You have since been unable to show proof of this claim in this thread.

yeah ah know

because you can't prove it.you not coming to find out any time soon remember?

ok but look how the book of john puts it
John 3:19

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

man will look for any excuse not to come into the light but thats nothing new to me
I did most of that in my time

you assume that YOUR side is the light. A Hindu or Muslim person may not agree and say THEIR side is light. I am in agreement with the concept that John has put forward, but there are similar passages in every other religious text. SO what makes yours "light" and the others "dark"??[color=#00FF40]
we went tru that already and I told you it can be tested but you are not interested in finding out yourself

so what I want to know is do you consider Christianity a cult?
and do you consider roman catholicism a cult?

today neither is considered unorthodox. do you consider the group where I fellowship unorthodox ?

[sMASH]

The sooner people realise the concept of god and by extension religion, was designed to divide people and not unite them....as so aptly demonstrated in this thread.......the sooner the world will be a more peaceful place.

Hence god is the reason there will never be world peace.

um Jesus never came to make peace in the world eh, doh let nobody tie you up with the jesus that just teach loving and kindness ,man in his natural state is an enemy to God but people who believes in and loves Jesus becomes his agents here on earth in which he manifest himself through them and because men hate God, they will hate on his agents
Jesus tells us
Matthew 10:34
34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
and
John 15:18
18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

now it is not the Christians who are the ones hating but the ones who does not know Christ will hate the ones who do ,any Christian who hates anyone good or bad does not know God

me eh seein dat, eh. what i getting is a little simpler. what he meant was that he came to inspire others to follow his way, which was god's instruction. that way was being perceived as being different from that of the jews at the time, because the people upheld the law only to serve their own purposes, and did not do it because it was god's instruction. an example of this i can remember off hand is the same prosecution of the prostitute. they tried to make him pass judgment on her because they wanted to trap him, not to carry out justice, but in earnest they forgot to nominate a male defendant.

so, when persons would start doing things according to how he taught, they would be at odds with the others in society, even their parents, spouses, family, neighbors.

so he did not come to make u stay in the good graces of men, but to follow the rules in just manner which would make u different from your peers and so bring strife as u are not conforming to the popular.

[16 cycles]

Hence god is the reason there will never be world peace.

um Jesus never came to make peace in the world eh, doh let nobody tie you up with the jesus that just teach loving and kindness ,man in his natural state is an enemy to God but people who believes in and loves Jesus becomes his agents here on earth in which he manifest himself through them and because men hate God, they will hate on his agents
Jesus tells us
Matthew 10:34
34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

When did Jesus say this? Trying to gain some understanding in the context of what was said? Who was he speaking to / for what purpose?

[megadoc1]

Hence god is the reason there will never be world peace.

um Jesus never came to make peace in the world eh, doh let nobody tie you up with the jesus that just teach loving and kindness ,man in his natural state is an enemy to God but people who believes in and loves Jesus becomes his agents here on earth in which he manifest himself through them and because men hate God, they will hate on his agents
Jesus tells us
Matthew 10:34
34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

When did Jesus say this? Trying to gain some understanding in the context of what was said? Who was he speaking to / for what purpose?

Matthew 10:34 its when Jesus started sending his disciples out to preach his word
Matthew 10:7
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

sMASH you will always see this as simple but it is a lot more than you think remember you are not a follower of Jesus, so you are relying on your intellect to understand something that is spiritually discern (part of the reason why most of your understanding of the scriptures are out of context), the most important requirement to fully understand the scriptures is acceptance of Jesus Christ as one's personal lord and savior and when that is done in truth he (Jesus) starts to work revealing himself to you in the scriptures

[slimshiney]

[Chimera]

I have seen the light

[illumin@ti]

was HID orr?

[illumin@ti]

wheres my boy blue

[d spike]

man in his natural state is an enemy to God

Sooo... Moses, Jacob, David, and all those biblical heroes who lived and died in their "natural state" were God's enemies... Right.

I think that quotation is the perfect example of how you misunderstand what centuries of Christian teachings have been trying to say.

Nati, don't be so quick to blame Megadoc's group for the strange outlandish beliefs he seems to have... I think those are of his own manufacturing.

I mean, he even asks if a non-denominational group would be considered "orthodox"... His little knowledge of things religious depend mainly on stories half-heard and badly told, which he acquired while panicking after a very bad scare in his life... and on top of that, chooses to lecture a non-christian who seems to have a rudimentary, though far better, grasp of scripture (because he's not a Christian?) Good grief...
Are the scriptures in code? They are written in languages that we (well, most of us) speak... while one with just sufficient comprehension skills can read what is there, a far better understanding can be gained by knowing the history and geography of the area, and the culture of its people... an understanding of the idiom of the writer also serves the reader in good stead.

However, when you are devoid of all these other skills... and your own grasp of language is basic, just functionally literate... and you choose to pick up, not a translation of scripture into the same present idiom that you can just about cope with, but the King James Version, which employed an archaic idiom... and without guidance, you peruse such a tome, looking for spiritual messages...
...you end up with the kind of hobgobbery that has been presented here.

[bluefete]

I told you so many pages ago on this thread that there was bestiality in Avatar and that part of the love scene between Jake & Neytiri was cut from the movie. People took me to task for making such a statement. (Right, Spikey?)

Of course, there will be many of you who still would not see what I pointed out so many pages ago.

" People took me to task for making such a statement" - I certainly didn't take you to task about any love scenes in the movie... If you have a problem with movie love scenes, then your cinema viewing opportunities must be limited to Pokemon and suchlike.

I had a problem with your claim of bestiality, though... if you could be more specific, that would help one understand your point of view - unless, of course, the site you clipped your rant from didn't have an explanation either...

Bestiality is unfortunately not uncommon where I grew up, so I think I would know it when I see it... (and remembering what some of the ex-wives looked like, I think I may have had some first hand knowledge! )

Oh Gorm, Spikey

I made the point that Jake was a human inhabiting an animal/human body on Pandora. When he made love to Neytiri, (my ponytail into your ponytail), this was a very open expression of a human having sex with an animal!

[bluefete]

Tall male blue frog copulates with tall female blue frog... how is that bestiality?
Bluefete, acquisition of an existence apart from your book, your paranoia, and the websites you browse for pickings to paste up (which are full of the writings of other little people stricken with a book and paranoia) should be attempted on your part, from time to time. Reality does exist beyond the glow of your monitor.

Tall male blue frog occupied by a human being.

Hollywood is the new standard for morality, these days.

[bluefete]

wheres my boy blue

Illuminati: Was Kanye channeling Illuminati/masonic stuff? Oh ho. I now understand. But the Jesus thing was a total mockery or was it Horus on the chain?

A painful shortfall of intelligent lyrics to this song. More of an excuse to showcase his inanity or use cussin' to hide the fact that this makes up 80% of the song.

Wasn't this the guy with Taylor Swift issues?

So, is he or isn't he a member? Maybe he applied & got rejected.

Or maybe not?

If he wants to make a point, why mock Jesus. He missed a very good opportunity to enlighten people by mocking God.

[d spike]

I made the point that Jake was a human inhabiting an animal/human body on Pandora. When he made love to Neytiri, (my ponytail into your ponytail), this was a very open expression of a human having sex with an animal!

What is shown (or could be shown in the extended version) is two creatures of the same species doing the 'count the legs and divide by two' routine... you are seeing goblins under every rock. If two males/females were shown performing the same stunt... or a whole gang of them rutting each other... I would understand your moralistic ravings.

So what if the human's mind was controlling the alien's body? How does that make it bestiality? That means you missed the entire concept of the show: the human 'became' one of the boys in blue, his mind/life-force was placed in a living body - he didn't put on a suit or a costume!
Let me guess... this means that you believe if a possessed girl has sex with a fellah... he is actually performing foul acts with a demon!!! (Megadoc? You'd better take that enfilthed soul of yours out and scrub it one more time. )
...or those folks who believe in reincarnation... are they admitting to having performed, and may later perform, acts of bestiality??? (conceptually, of course)

Are you saying that these aliens are animals? (conceptually, that is) Are you saying that they are a lower form of life? That puts you at the same level as (or lower than) the greedy, money-grubbing villains in the movie. I guess you must have hated Star Trek, with all that cross-species screwing going on. (Poor Captain Kirk... demoted from dashing explorer to animal-shagger... )