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Postby pugboy » January 19th, 2024, 11:19 pm

why rowlee didn’t talk about the pnm luncheon at crown plaza with community leaders

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Postby eliteauto » January 20th, 2024, 12:34 am

Heard about the $100M on the news and my first thought was some kinda make-work programme akin to DEWD, LID, URP, Lifesport and CEPEP. These things are proven not to work and are fraught with corruption and crime. Seems the intent is to substitute the community leaders for TTDF community leaders. All I see is a capital injection to the gangs

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Postby bluefete » January 20th, 2024, 1:54 am

eliteauto wrote:Heard about the $100M on the news and my first thought was some kinda make-work programme akin to DEWD, LID, URP, Lifesport and CEPEP. These things are proven not to work and are fraught with corruption and crime. Seems the intent is to substitute the community leaders for TTDF community leaders. All I see is a capital injection to the gangs


PNM Slush fund to prop up its base.

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Postby pugboy » January 20th, 2024, 7:31 am

are we the only country where politicians use army as the panadol for crime?

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Postby Rovin » January 20th, 2024, 10:54 am

kamla stop teefing out d treasury how it suddenly have 100mil to throw around

if yall eh readin d play, is $ for certain ppl to get contracts for construction & security , none of this $ will help\benefit d average person

also election coming up next year so it suddenly have $ for all kinda thing ...

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Postby pugboy » January 20th, 2024, 11:09 am

you is an observant fella, election year
surprised unc ain’t respond to that

$100m for the youths in the marginal electoral areas
of course it not necessarily going to the youths in those areas but it going there

that’s a lot of money to spend in 2-3 areas

Rovin wrote:kamla stop teefing out d treasury how it suddenly have 100mil to throw around

if yall eh readin d play, is $ for certain ppl to get contracts for construction & security , none of this $ will help\benefit d average person

also election coming up next year so it suddenly have $ for all kinda thing ...

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Postby Rovin » January 20th, 2024, 11:13 am

hear this WOFT spewing pure sh1t from he stink mouth

so all d other commish ordered between 4-8mil units of ammunition but gary ordered 57mil & d criminals using it to commit crimes all of over d country ..... :roll:

GG shud take this fool to court for slander



'Seeing Griffith gone my biggest achievement'

National Security Minister Fitzgerald Hinds said that one of his biggest achievements was seeing the exit of Gary Griffith as Police Commissioner.


Speaking at the People’s National Movement (PNM) meeting in San Juan on Thursday, Hinds minced no words in castigating Griffith, dubbing him “G-string” and describing him as “half educated, egotistic, narcissistic, little noise maker,”.
Hinds cast blame on Griffith for fueling gun violence in Trinidad and Tobago as he slammed the thousands of Firearm Users Licenses (FULs) issued under Griffith’s tenure.

“While he was Commissioner and the Prime Minister already told us that was the biggest mistake that he has ever made, but one’s trouble is another man’s thing, because I can tell you one of my biggest achievements as far as I am concerned was to see the back of Gary Griffith as Commissioner of Police in Trinidad and Tobago, they could say what they want!” said Hinds.


“While he was Commissioner for three short dirty years, he granted close to 8000 firearm licences, that meant plenty plenty guns of all descriptions, that meant more guns and more licences than all the other Police Commissioners add up together since independence,” he said.

Hinds went on to read extensively from an affidavit of Police Commissioner Erla Harewood-Christopher in the legal matter between Towfeek Ali and the Firearms Training Institute and the Commissioner of Police.

He said Ali took the Commissioner to Court for not granting import licence for 3.7 million rounds of ammunition.

Reading from the affidavit, Hinds noted that Harewood-Christopher stated that there was disquiet in the public media of allegations of corruption in the granting of an increased number of Firearm Users License.

He said several fact finding inquiries were established into the FULs.

Hinds said the Commissioner’s affidavit stated that there were “grave concerns about the increasing level of gun violence in the country including civilians being licensed to have several high powered rifles in their possession,” he said.

He said there was an arbitrary granting of licences to people with convictions, deportees and even people who the senior superintendent of police in Divisions objected to.

The affidavit, he said, noted that Retired Justice of Appeal Stanley John, having assessed the situation described the FUL process as a well-oiled white collar criminal enterprise.

The Commissioner, he said, warned that the licenced firearms and illegal firearms have the potential to fuel gun violence in the country.


Hinds went on to provide statistics to show that during Griffith’s tenure from 2018 to 2021 there was a drastic increase in the granting of licenses to import guns and ammunition as follows:

2016-1620 imported

2017- 1666

2018- 5422

2019- 2720

2020- 64,553

Ammunition

2016- 6.1 million rounds

2017- 4.7 million rounds

2018- 2.6 million rounds

2019- 8.3 million rounds

2020- 57,194,173 rounds

2021- 18.8 million

Said Hinds “No wonder why when the police go on a murder scene now, it is no longer uncommon, it has now become a feature in crime scenes now, you finding 94, 100, 57, 7.63 military grade, that bussing through 10 people and killing the 11th and that is what kill a woman in Malabar some time ago,”

Hinds said there were about nine dealers in 2018 and it increased to 34.

He added that Griffith has been going to the courts to block the truth from coming out.

“A matter came up that Gary Griffith went to court with, because every time we want to tell you the facts, he run to court like a little sissy, he don’t want you to hear the facts, he don’t want you to know the truth,” he said.

Hinds said that a judge said that if the Prime Minister, as head of the National Security Council did not act on this, it would have been a “serious dereliction of duty”.

The Minister said the Financial Intelligence Unit (FIU) was investigating Griffith and his wife, Nicole but Griffith “run to court again like a sissy. What you have to hide?”

Hinds broke out in song singing “You can run but you can’t hide”.

He went further to note that two men died in police custody in the Andrea Bharath rape and murder matter under Griffith’s tenure.


Two men died in police custody following the Andrea Bharath rape and murder.

Hinds also criticised Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar for cancelling the OPV vessels during her tenure and he suggested this was probably done because there was no corruption in this contract.

HE said the Persad-Bissessar Government ordered 12 Damen vessels which are under probe by the Dutch Government.

“WE have the vessels, we use the vessels, today they are need of repair and upgrade and I am happy as the Prime Minister announced today, we have settled a contract with Damen to repair the 12 of those vessels so very shortly they will all be back in service for the people of Trinidad and Tobago,” he said.

The Minister claimed that there was discrepancies in the purchase of these vessels.

“In that time, the big mouth one called Gary, who I hear some people calling G-string, he was her advisor, he was Minister of National Security for 14 months, he become some big expert you know….he was part of that decision (to buy Damen vessels). So since the fight was not at sea, they went and they get these vessels and they get them in 2014, UNC was in power, Kamla was Prime Minister, G-string was advisor and Nyree Alfonso was lawyer…So it is clear to me, that they engage in contracts to make deals like the Point Fortin highway, like the Curepe Interchange and of course these vessels,” he said.

The PNM, he said, purchased two brand new Austal Cape class vessels from Australia which are in service on the high seas around Trinidad and Tobago now, making “great impact” on our border security.


Hinds said they are in the process of procuring more scanners for the ports, mobile scanners, stationary container scanners to support Customs and Excise.

He said the police service established their riverine and coastal patrol section that look at coastlines and rivers that the larger vessels cannot attend to.

There is the transnational organised crime unit that pay attention to the ports and those transit sheds where importation and distribution of items, he said.

Hinds said guns were coming in these sheds “like rain” and they dealt with this problem.

He disclosed that Trinidad and Tobago is part of the Joint Inter Agency Task Force with the US South Com that patrols the Atlantic and Caribbean sea.

HE said every week the Trinidad and Tobago representative with this unit reports to him that they seize “10, 15, 20 tonnes of cocaine” on those high seas which would enter Caribbean countries.

Hinds said they also have a serious gun retrieval programme underway “mopping up” illegal guns.

He said they recently formed the Caricom Gang Intelligence Unit where Caricom countries share information and he disclosed that he received a report where a Grenadian national who committed murder absconded to Trinidad.

Said Hinds “This morning they went and collect him and he will be promptly handed to the Grenadian authorities.”



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Postby VII » January 20th, 2024, 11:17 am

Fukn Donkey .

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Postby Chimera » January 20th, 2024, 11:24 am

well yes

how much of these murder scenes they trace back to people registered FUL?

how much citizens save themselves from being victims due to having a FUL?

hindz is one dotish mc yes
but he know most of his fan base could never get a legal firearm
and the same fan base wouldn't want citizens to have legal fire arms because how they guh rob them easily

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Postby pugboy » January 20th, 2024, 11:32 am

manning was correct

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Postby DMan7 » January 20th, 2024, 11:35 am

Not even God can help T&T, but the UNC and GG thinks they can?

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Postby VII » January 20th, 2024, 11:40 am

Gary is the only one that will try to pull an ElSalvador or Phillipines, that's what we need and we were almost getting that not too long ago.. but Hinds and Rowley decided to endorse the criminals over Gary.

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Postby Chimera » January 20th, 2024, 12:03 pm

if you really read it with sense....his whole speech is to show that he is supporting criminals and don't find they should be shot or killed

he talking about the men who die in andrea case, pull their criminal records na. talk about that

talking about how much people have legal fire arms, yeah the crowd who who pandering to wouldnt want a level playing field

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Postby pugboy » January 20th, 2024, 12:12 pm

rowlee say only one race want firearms so they could shoot a next race
that statement alone explains his thinking and who they supports

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Postby alfa » January 20th, 2024, 1:13 pm

Heinz, Erla and Rowley won't change their rhetoric or their wicked mindset. I'm glad some people are starting to realize this and take action
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Postby VII » January 20th, 2024, 1:52 pm

Sick ah dem MC bad !! Bad bad bad !! ffs !!

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Postby AlphaMan » January 20th, 2024, 2:36 pm

Perks and Benefits for the position of Commissioner Of Police.
The CoP’s contract included a monthly salary of $31,080, and monthly benefits including a transport allowance of $3,900, duty allowance of $3,110 and a telecommunication facility, special personal allowance of $8,920.

The compensation package also included an advance to a maximum of $300,000 at a rate of 6% per annum, to be repaid within the term of the contract and to facilitate the purchase of either a new or used motor vehicle. A sitting CoP is entitled to exemption from Motor Vehicle Tax limited to the amount payable on a vehicle with an engine capacity of 1999cc and exemption from Value Added Tax, to a maximum of $45,000. The contract also provided for an advance to cover the cost of motor vehicle insurance premium, at a rate of interest of 6% per annum and an advance to a maximum of $20,000, at a rate of interest of 6%, to be repaid within the term of engagement to effect repairs to the motor vehicle. The CoP’s contract also provided a Special Depreciation Allowance for installation of a telecommunication unit in the office holder’s motor vehicle, at the rate of 2.2% of the showroom price of the vehicle.

The CoP is also entitled to an official residence, fully furnished and maintained by the Government, or a monthly Housing Allowance of $7,740, where an official residence or alternative arrangement is not available.

Numerous benefits include a $200 per day allowance, when traveling on official business beyond a radius of 16 kilometres from official headquarters, while when on duty in Tobago, the CoP is to be eligible for hotel accommodation and meals, as necessary. The CoP may also be paid $200 in the absence of the provision of meals, while benefits also apply to travel abroad.

The claim noted that the CoP is provided with uniforms free of charge, as well as medical attention/treatment, dental and optical treatment and prescribed drugs at any health care facility under the Regional Health Authorities, including the Eric Williams Medical Sciences Complex.

The office holder is entitled to have the costs met at any other hospital, institution or nursing home in T&T, where such services attention/treatment are not available at those public health care facilities.
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Postby Mmoney607 » January 20th, 2024, 4:28 pm

So the crime as health emergency died a natural death

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Postby MaxPower » January 20th, 2024, 4:31 pm

Chimera wrote:well yes

how much of these murder scenes they trace back to people registered FUL?


If a registered FUL was used, it would be hard to trace because the FUL holder would obviously not use their own components.

Dealers have flooded the market and sold modified components such as slides, barrels, firing pins etc…..without variations and permission. If you didn’t know, you can check in firearm slides and barrels etc in your suitcase out of the US and them things can easily hide up in your suitcase from customs…unless they send you through the scanner which is rarely. Other than that, available locally.

If also you didn’t know, over 1000 people have been called in by the TTPS for purchasing firearm components without permission from the COP. They were asked to return their items and make statements and those who refused were arrested. Ask AE tactical, they will tell you they sold fancy slides and ported barrels etc with just a FUL booklet required for purchase. Can’t do that sheit now.


So again, we won’t know if registered FULs are used.

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Postby Country_Bookie » January 20th, 2024, 4:52 pm

Regarding the $100M capital injection for the gangs as elite put it, these are the views of 2 criminologists. Seems like these fellas don't live in the same country as the rest ah we. Everyone knows this money is to give contracts to favored people to buy votes for the next election. Expect a surge in crime and gang activity as a result of this. It's like when Manning tried to pay off the gangs with state contracts after the Crowne Plaza meetings in 2002. They just use the money to buy more guns and ammo.

CRIMINOLOGISTS Dr Randy Seepersad and Darius Figuera welcomed the $100 million initiative announced by the Prime Minister.

Commenting on Rowley's announcement, Seepersad said, "Development is something that has really been stymied in these particular communities and it is something that is really needed."

But he added,"Development is a very, very broad phrase that could mean a lot of different things."

Physical development, Seepersad continued, is just one aspect of it.

He said it appeared that the development which Rowley is referring to in this initiative, seems to be mostly physical.

Seepersad added he was subject to correction on this.

He said there needs to be some explanation about how the $100 million mentioned by Rowley will be used.

Physical development, Seepersad continued, is very expensive.

He said there could be cases of going into a single community and fixing a road for $100 million.

"It really depends on how that $100 million is going to be used and for what things."

Seepersad said other forms of development are needed in crime hot spot communities.

"You need after school programmes, training programmes for families. You need things that provide opportunities for youths. Entrepreneurship training. Vocational training."

While giving a physical facelift to a community is a good start, Seepersad said, "You can give a facelift to a community but it does not change the community.It does not change the mindset. It does not change the level of skills. It does not change the opportunities."

Seepersad said he is not criticising Rowley.

While many communities need help, he continued, $100 million spent over too many communities will not benefit any of them.

"There has to be some level of choice involved."

Seepersad suggested that Rowley have Government partner with people coming to TT to do work in vulnerable communities.

He said USAid (United States Agency for International Development) has projects which are aimed at helping youth people crime hot spot communities.

Seepersad added that there may be a lot of good opportunities for collaboration between Government and these groups to achieve their common objectives.

"A coordinated effort might probably be better than each doing their own thing, not knowing what the other is doing."

Figuera said, "There is a grave, pressing need for the State to now exert its power over vast swaths of territory that are under the hegemony of transnational organised crime and its organised crime offshoot of gangland TT."

He added, "The alternate discourse with its worldview of the illicit trades has been allowed to socialise successive generations of citizens of TT who reside in these spaces constituting in effect a sustainable army of foot soldiers for gangland TT."

This impunity afforded criminality, Figuera continued, "has now ensured that gangland is now the most powerful alternate lifestyle and culture in TT today."

He said this has effectively generated "a crisis of social control for the State that since 2017 is now acute, threatening the very sustainability of the social order under the rule of law."

While welcoming the $100 million crime plan announced by Rowley, Figuera said this initiative by itself will not break the control which criminals have over certain communities.

"It must be backed up by a national security apparatus that is now capable of dismantling transnational and organised crime cells resulting in prison time etc."

Figuera said, "To accomplish this there has to be deep-seated, ongoing reform of the national security apparatus now."

He added, "The issue is not providing resources to the national security apparatus but deep seated reform, revisioning and reformulation ensuring that this apparatus is brought screaming into the 21st century."

Figuera said there must also be simultaneous improvements in the Judiciary and the prison system to assist in achieving the objective of curbing crime.

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Postby paid_influencer » January 20th, 2024, 5:05 pm

i doh want to be the one to defend Erla but, come nah, I donno if people being reasonable in their expectations.

Be reasonable.

We aren't going to get somebody coming in and dropping crime after a year like if is Superman or Batman land down. We have politically-aligned former police leaders holding themselves out like they single-handedly going to clean up crime in a year, but dat chit is and always has been fantasy.

The role of the commissioner is to build and guide institutional structure in the service. Anybody who has had to take over and rebuild an organisation can tell you that once you get past the gains from 'low hanging fruit', building back takes time and isn't always a straight walk upwards. It is dealing with people, making compromise, adjusting and readjusting to get back on a firm, robust course.

If you put the benchmark only on immediate gains, you end up incentivising unsustainable behaviours which may ultimately undermine the long-term organisational alignment. A good example of this is Kamla's SoE, which ended up resulted in no convictions and forced the state into paying lawsuit after lawsuit for persons unjustifiably detained.

So I am just saying we should give Erla a chance to perform in the role she is given. Don't make her into a scapegoat for the failures of the government, the customs & excise division, the coast guard, and the religious and community elders. Her job is not to be Superman or Batman fighting crime. Her job is planning, organising and developing structures within the police service. This takes time measured in years and not months.

Be reasonable.

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Postby MaxPower » January 20th, 2024, 5:26 pm

Trinis feel FUL is the saving grace for T&T.

Trinis are too irresponsible and it may well make the situation worse and make it bad for the responsible population.

We need foreign assistance.

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Postby VII » January 20th, 2024, 5:54 pm

Have had my FUL since 1999, having a couple semi auto pistols and a shotgun on an FUL just ain what it used to be, honestly never leave home without a gun since, but these days I ask myself does it really make sense with the kinda firepower in dem idiots hands ?

Unless it's a pistol man you're more than likely to be killed and your firearm taken . For home and business defense or holed up somwhere yeah but it still depends on what those idiots moving with, and no man is superman there's always the unguarded moment no matter how tizzic you moving.. once that man get that big thing up, it's all over...

Maybe better to not annoy him ?

We need to level the playing field a bit with some fully automatic , I mean it's only fair...



MaxPower wrote:Trinis feel FUL is the saving grace for T&T.

Trinis are too irresponsible and it may well make the situation worse and make it bad for the responsible population.

We need foreign assistance.
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Postby pugboy » January 20th, 2024, 7:13 pm

i not sure about giving erla any chance
the cop is not only about policies and ting
the cop is just like any other leader of an armed forces, army etc. they need to lead by example and take the fight to the enemy
being a reactive force is defeat before you start

those of us old enough would know giuliani was one tough talking guy who cleaned up new york dramatically but conventionally too
he gone off his rocker now though

sure we gonna be seeing erla walking cone carnival monday and tuesday as a big joke again

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Postby alfa » January 20th, 2024, 7:44 pm

Instead of spending millions on what will be a next lifesport the army should be called out not to patrol but antagonize the gangs and force them to engage in open combat and return effective fire. It doesn't have to turn into Gaza, Trini criminals not as valiant as those folks. Once they see the army mean business and take out a few of them they will put down their weapons. One light infantry platoon is all that is needed

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Postby pugboy » January 20th, 2024, 10:17 pm

you missing the whole scheme, govt not interested in shutting down criminals

the only man who ever made a concerted effort against organized crime was anr who went after abu bakr tooth and nail
it didn’t end well and jamaat grew into a monster


alfa wrote:Instead of spending millions on what will be a next lifesport the army should be called out not to patrol but antagonize the gangs and force them to engage in open combat and return effective fire. It doesn't have to turn into Gaza, Trini criminals not as valiant as those folks. Once they see the army mean business and take out a few of them they will put down their weapons. One light infantry platoon is all that is needed

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Postby MaxPower » January 21st, 2024, 11:05 am

Seek the help of the U.S.

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Postby pugboy » January 21st, 2024, 11:55 am

uncle sam doh meddle just so
you have to have something at stake for them

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Postby alfa » January 23rd, 2024, 12:57 pm

Freeport police station apparently. Seems like with the expected large influx of renewals before April they don't have receipt books, some stations didn't receive full instructions on new renewal procedure and logistically difficulties in doing certificates of character for all renewal applicants.
Hearing they want to digitize the process now
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Postby Rovin » February 3rd, 2024, 10:33 am

so after d JSC call on erla to account like she then take it out on sander ...

https://newsday.co.tt/2024/02/01/tv6-gm ... _CVoUb5Xrg
TV6 GM: Snr Supt Alexander ordered not to appear on Beyond the Tape

SNR Supt Roger Alexander, the police co-host of the Beyond the Tape crime talk-show which is aired on CCN TV6, was instructed by the TTPS, not to appear on the Thursday edition of the show.

This was confirmed in TV6's 7 pm news on Thursday.

CCN TV6 journalist Juhel Browne reported that the station's general manager Richard Purcell had said the producer responsible for the Beyond the Tape show, was contacted by Alexander, who told her he was instructed not to appear in the Thursday segment of the show.

"The producer then contacted the TTPS' corporate communications department and this (the instruction for Alexander not to appear on the show) was confirmed," Purcell said during an interview aired on the TV6 news report.

The Beyond the Tape crime talk-show is co-hosted Monday-Friday by Alexander and TV6 journalist Marlan Hopkinson.

News of Alexander being instructed not to appear on the show, came a day after vice chairman of Parliament's Joint Select Committee on National Security, Independent Senator Dr Paul Richards, expressed shock that utterances by a "uniformed presenter" on the Beyond the Tape show were not in alignment with the TTPS.

At the time, Richards was directing his queries to Police Commissioner Erla Harewood-Christopher who appeared before the JSC on Wednesday. Harewood-Christopher later admitted to being concerned about the show's direction, and she also revealed that the show was now under review.

TV6 GM Purcell, according to the TV6 news report on Thursday evening, said the station is unaware if this instruction for Alexander to not appear on the show, was only for the Thursday edition, or for the rest of this week, or indefinitely.

Purcell added that efforts by TV6 to reach Commissioner Harewood-Christopher for clarification, proved unsuccessful.

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