BREAKING NEWS: TTASA gets Camden for racing

[tr1ad]

because as it stands now... join with TTASA and get a place to race
thats all that matters is they have a place to use now

[Bezman]

it's only about 4-5 of us reading this posts and old enough and been around the last 12 years to know what going on, the rest of them warming up the ESSSSSS--AARRGHHH--TWEENNY..

I hear Brico dont even know anything about racing in Camdem, they running ppl when they come to the track.. uhum i mean airstrip, but say what...

good luck ppl, i think i have said my part...

[Yorkshirelass]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't TTASA instructed by FIA that as the NSO they are not to PUT ON events, but to govern others putting on events?

YOUR statement is incorrect
T&T has a NACAM delegate who is also an FIA Caribbean Director (Mr.Selwyn Persad)........before you choose to make uninformed statements like above, please refer BEFOREHAND to Mr.Persad for enlightenment.
Thank you

This was the plaster given by Link for this sore!!

[Yorkshirelass]

30th July is the date given for event 1!

[Bezman]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't TTASA instructed by FIA that as the NSO they are not to PUT ON events, but to govern others putting on events?

YOUR statement is incorrect
T&T has a NACAM delegate who is also an FIA Caribbean Director (Mr.Selwyn Persad)........before you choose to make uninformed statements like above, please refer BEFOREHAND to Mr.Persad for enlightenment.
Thank you

This was the plaster given by Link for this sore!!

i dunno, but i dont see how this is answer at all??
he never answered the question (as usual)... wasn't TTASA instructed by the FIA in the meeting in Barbados that they were not to promote or host events?? - yes or no..

[W2J]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't TTASA instructed by FIA that as the NSO they are not to PUT ON events, but to govern others putting on events?

YOUR statement is incorrect
T&T has a NACAM delegate who is also an FIA Caribbean Director (Mr.Selwyn Persad)........before you choose to make uninformed statements like above, please refer BEFOREHAND to Mr.Persad for enlightenment.
Thank you

This was the plaster given by Link for this sore!!

i dunno, but i dont see how this is answer at all??
he never answered the question (as usual)... wasn't TTASA instructed by the FIA in the meeting in Barbados that they were not to promote or host events?? - yes or no..

yes but in there constitution it is perceived they can, besides if they don't throw a event who will since they are the holders for Campden 6month lease.

[link]

... wasn't TTASA instructed by the FIA in the meeting in Barbados that they were not to promote or host events?? - yes or no..

NO

[Yorkshirelass]

rcadiz - u must have birds nest in your ears my boy, cos apparently u heard wrong!

[southside crew]

From my point of view.. ( I hardly know the HISTORY of drags & TTASA) whatever politics is playing between the NSO's and other body or bodies trying to get the ASN from TTASA is never going to happen..

TTUNDRA from what I KNOW is FOR the Drivers ( RACERS) and not about politics in who getting money and who not and who collecting gate fees etc..

TTUNDRA members are like pupils of a school and the NSO's & ASN & who wanna be the leader are like teachers fighting to be the principal & head of deans etc...

That's just my take.. I could be wrong..

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ forming a Federation will get rid of that

in a Federation each club has two representatives that sit on the board giving each club an equal vote to make decisions. Also if a member has a problem with the way his club is handling a situation he can report the club to the federation and have recourse.

This is the way it is done for football (TTFF) and alot of other sports in T&T and worldwide.
It is the only fair way that empowers the athletes/competitors and the sport.

TTASA and MATT have been discussing forming a Federation with each other for years now AFAIK. rcadiz said it was signed off by TTASA and MATT during the previous administration of TTSA, but the current administration claims the signature is not valid. I am not sure why TTASA and MATT have not formed the federation as yet - Link, AutoSport and rcadiz were all in those meetings between MATT and TTASA, I guess they will have to answer why.

TTASA is the FIA ASN and that cannot be changed since the FIA does not change the ASN of a country easily. If the new federation keeps the TTASA name, T&T can still have ASN status. The Federation will also be the NSO for motorsport in T&T.

Remember as a Federation, that is supported by ALL clubs and associations in T&T, it will have MUCH MORE power to get things moving forward.

[sparky]

I think the MSYA have an important role to play in forcing the issue of one NSO for motor sport .

[Yorkshirelass]

From my point of view.. ( I hardly know the HISTORY of drags & TTASA) whatever politics is playing between the NSO's and other body or bodies trying to get the ASN from TTASA is never going to happen..

TTUNDRA from what I KNOW is FOR the Drivers ( RACERS) and not about politics in who getting money and who not and who collecting gate fees etc..

TTUNDRA members are like pupils of a school and the NSO's & ASN & who wanna be the leader are like teachers fighting to be the principal & head of deans etc...

That's just my take.. I could be wrong..

Yeah you could be....and are wrong!
The associations who are affiliated to MATT are all about the drivers too....this is why they have been battling for at least the last 4 years that I know of, for the drivers!!
Is it fair that, for example, CARS, who have been running their club for eleven years this year, quite successfully, should choose to align themselves with TTASA as they are structured now, for the supposed betterment of the sport, so that we can move forward, and have to now answer to the TTASA executive, who have had no previous input in CARS until this said point, allowing TTASA to enforce their decisions upon CARS without the CARS executive having any say, because this is what will happen under the current TTASA structure. Any decisions that the CARS executive make as part of the 2nd tier of affliates within TTASA, can be vetoed and overruled, with NO argument.

It is only fair, for the drivers, that the Executives that they choose to represent them, by electing them at AGM's, should have input and voting rights within an umberella governing body.
It is not about who gets the money. Money is a minor issue in this. It's about equality. It's about stability. It's about fairness.
It is understandable that TTUNDRA have chosen to become an affliate of TTASA - the drivers are desperate to race. The supposed reopening of Camden is the light at the end of the tunnel for them. However, what they cannot see in this said tunnel, is the amount of potholes they will fall into along their journey and when they reach the end, the potholes will still be there in the tunnel, waiting to be fixed, waiting for the next poor unsuspecting suckers to fall into.

[professor]

'Oh and by everyone joining we (TTRC and TTKA) have to give up our NSO status, something we have actually worked damn hard at maintaining so don't think the TTASA executive is the only ones giving something up for the benefit of others' Quote from rcadiz.

Please tell me I have the wrong information, I don't want to think that Robert, who I normally would believe is "spinning" words.

I was told that the MSYA lawyer has admitted that the Rally Club and the Karting club were made NSO's in error, as, they are not affiliated to the International body (As reqd to be an NSO) and would only remain so for the rest of the financial year, then the only NSO would be TTASA. Is this true Robert, or did someone lie to me ?

[gt4tified]

I think the MSYA have an important role to play in forcing the issue of one NSO for motor sport .

From what I’ve been reading, and learning sparky, is that there are bigger issues than that of how many NSO’s there are for motorsport and who that ought to be....and professor has just shed some more light on that part.

My point then is, if that is sorted, are we still faced with a situation of ‘back to square 1’ if there is no co-operation?

This Federation thing sounds interesting...Duane, is there any government involvement in any of these Federations as far as you know?

[sparky]

I heard the same thing but do not know if it is true

[Garrett Inside]

I'm curious, based on what i'm reading, to race at the end of the month,i.e. 30th. do you HAVE to be a member of TTASA, cause it seems so?
ALSO since TTUNDRA is now affiliated to TTASA, can you race with TTUNDRA simply by paying on the event date, or do you also HAVE to be a member of TTUNDRA?

[Yorkshirelass]

Technically, as affiliates run, if you are a member of TTUNDRA, you should automatically be a member of TTASA as TTUNDRA are an affiliate. However, don't doubt that you will have to "become a paid up financial "member" of TTASA". Will wait and see.

[Bezman]

Yorkshirelass is probably right, and on top of "becoming a paid up financial "member" of TTASA", then they will probably make all TTUNDRA members buy FIA licenses also

[tr1ad]

so the times at this event... will be known globally?

don't know much about FIA... i'm just a simple guy

[Garrett Inside]

link, sparky.

could you both clarify on these basic matters please

[W2J]

'Oh and by everyone joining we (TTRC and TTKA) have to give up our NSO status, something we have actually worked damn hard at maintaining so don't think the TTASA executive is the only ones giving something up for the benefit of others' Quote from rcadiz.

Please tell me I have the wrong information, I don't want to think that Robert, who I normally would believe is "spinning" words.

I was told that the MSYA lawyer has admitted that the Rally Club and the Karting club were made NSO's in error, as, they are not affiliated to the International body (As reqd to be an NSO) and would only remain so for the rest of the financial year, then the only NSO would be TTASA. Is this true Robert, or did someone lie to me ?

That's very interesting Clive, I was also told that "Rody, Aaron and Flambo" all said the night of TTUNDRA meeting that TTRC and Karting is going to give up there NSO and join TTASA, so I wonder which is the true story.

[sparky]

+To race at camp den, you can be one of two things [a] A member of an affiliate of TTASA or [b] A member of TTASA. There is a third situation where you can have your club become an affiliate.Being an affiliate of TTASA does not make you a member of TTASA. An affiliate simply means you subscribe to their governance. They are also willing to have dialog in chartering a way forward. To become a member of TTUNDRA, simply fill out an application and pay membership fee. Our secretary is Mr Gerard Best.

[W2J]

so once I make up a club have a car thats goes vroom vroom, able to peel out and make some tyre smoke I could join TTASA? because it seems that TTASA has incorporated the V8 club as one of it's affiliates.

[tr1ad]

so now ...

the affiliates of TTASA and members of TTUNDRA does that mean that they will not be taking it to the streets anymore?

[Yorkshirelass]

+To race at camp den, you can be one of two things [a] A member of an affiliate of TTASA or [b] A member of TTASA. There is a third situation where you can have your club become an affiliate.Being an affiliate of TTASA does not make you a member of TTASA. An affiliate simply means you subscribe to their governance. They are also willing to have dialog in chartering a way forward. To become a member of TTUNDRA, simply fill out an application and pay membership fee. Our secretary is Mr Gerard Best.

As a member of TTUNDRA and TTUNDRA being an affiliate of TTASA, it follows that you are in essence a memberof TTASA. As the Governing body, TTASA however, should NOT have individual membership - their members are supposed to come from the Executives of the clubs that fall in their umbrella body.
What you have just admitted their Sparky, is that by becoming an affiliate of TTASA, you have allowed THEIR membership, who may not necessarily have your best interest at heart, as they are the ones who have voting rights,to dictate what it is you can and cannot do, rather than having representatives from your executive on their board putting forward your interests.

[sparky]

you quickly getting it triad .tec net your club must be properly constituted and registered

[sparky]

Mr York its my hope that one day the politics of motor sports will be sorted out. we have another chance maybe the political parties will think POWER SHARING

[wagonrunner]

Mr York its my hope that one day the politics of motor sports will be sorted out. we have another chance maybe the political parties will think POWER SHARING

what do you interpret power sharing to be?

seems its something other than

in a Federation each club has two representatives that sit on the board giving each club an equal vote to make decisions. Also if a member has a problem with the way his club is handling a situation he can report the club to the federation and have recourse.

[Bezman]

+To race at camp den, you can be one of two things [a] A member of an affiliate of TTASA or A member of TTASA. There is a third situation where you can have your club become an affiliate.Being an affiliate of TTASA does not make you a member of TTASA. An affiliate simply means you subscribe to their governance. They are also willing to have dialog in chartering a way forward. To become a member of TTUNDRA, simply fill out an application and pay membership fee. Our secretary is Mr Gerard Best.

As a member of TTUNDRA and TTUNDRA being an affiliate of TTASA, it follows that you are in essence a memberof TTASA. [b]As the Governing body, TTASA however, should NOT have individual membership - their members are supposed to come from the Executives of the clubs that fall in their umbrella body.
What you have just admitted their Sparky, is that by becoming an affiliate of TTASA, you have allowed THEIR membership, who may not necessarily have your best interest at heart, as they are the ones who have voting rights,to dictate what it is you can and cannot do, rather than having representatives from your executive on their board putting forward your interests.

THIS

[X2]

All written from a logical point of view as it pertains to international business and just plain common sense as my personal knowledge of all events surrounding the issues is limited :

TTASA as a governing body should be responsible for formation of rules, safety, process, dispensation of funding, regulatory implementation and enforcement and a host of other duties as the primary NSO. Given the goverment's intent on having an NSO to represent all Motorsport on the whole... Karting and Rally, or any specific sporting discipline maybe should not have NSO status, a mistake which should be corrected. TTASA as the NSO has Nacam/FIA affiliation which I believe assures the FIA that all motorsport under OUR banner, TTASA, that motorsport is being properly managed in all aspects, safety, progress of sport, etc... (The NSO is supposed to represent TRINIDAD & TOBAGO to the FIA, not itself. WIth that in mind, the NSO therefore should not be hosting race events of any kind nor should they represent any one specific motorsport discipline. Individual clubs should have this responsibility borne on them and thusly be governed by the NSO. As such, the individual clubs should attain FIA membership as well. **This means that official, affiliated, competitive clubs are to be representative of their individual motorsports disciplines on a local and regional level, not just fly by night 'hobby clubs', which can maybe become affiliated for membership rather than competitive purposes.

As it is in other countries under FIA rule (Nacam in TnT ?)... the 'clubs' can become members of the FIA or it's localised affiliate (Nacam), such as the NHRA, SCCA have done. This would allow the clubs to recommend or issue FIA licenses, both regionally and worldwide. As such, TTASA should not host events by any means, but rather assist in the regulatory aspects such as safety, tech requirements, goverment assistance, administrative benefits (communcation with gov't and public bodies as required).

Oh yeah... TTUNDRA is not for 'de racers'... it is for DRAG RACING.

The Federation being referred to is unnecessary. No point in reinventing the wheel. TTASA committee should be required to have this type of representation from affiliates as standard. Each recognised discipline should have it's respective club/organisation to represent them. Any modification to that requirement would honestly be a bastardisation of the basic procedure of a regulatory and representative body.

At the end of the day, if this is about who getting a slice of the pie should a facility be built... well, that means we will never solve this unless someone with balls steps up to the plate because it seems the people in power now are all shirt and no trousers.

...What if Jack Warner were minister of sport.