The *Official* LOCAL Election Thread (2013)

[Chimera]

umm...someone correct me if i missing something but

the document that Ian spoke about

isn't that a straightforward legit document of Anna Deonarine simply upgrading from a 2006 to 2008 Range Rover and her asking that the import license be modified?

[rfari]

Ian promised a bomb.....delivered a wet fowl



Kinda like rfari sex life :/

Doh be on me dan. The talk about me and that soap dispenser blown outta proportion

[sMASH]

AND THREE YEARS ALLYUH JACKASSES IN OFFICE AND ALLYUH EH DO DUPREY NUTTEN..... NUTTEN.
IF DUPREY SO BAD THEN LOCK UP HIS ARSE

[shogun]

A point to note. In the run-up to the 2010 general elections, the talk of a debate came up. Manning basically said frig dat; it eh have profit in it for him so he eh doing it. Kamla at the time say the usual blabla about benefiting the people and first world yadayada. Fast forward to 2013 and the tables have turned somewhat.

Manning pass on his incumbentitis. Now she showing all the symptoms.

The population had a clean slate before they were elected. They've now had time to judge what she/they thinks passes for "performance."

[j.o.e]

Give ILP a chance?....sorry I learnt about giving ppl a chance from PP. I don't mind ILP forming the opposition....a party with no structure or plan (damn this sounds familiar) in the corridors of power is too much of a risk to take.

[kurpal_v2]

Ian promised a bomb.....delivered a wet fowl



Kinda like rfari sex life :/

Doh be on me dan. The talk about me and that soap dispenser blown outta proportion

Too much fan on one fire

[kurpal_v2]

1lick

[toyota2nr]

I wonder what is Sat Maharaj's opinion on UNC's choice of Ian Alleyne? Seeing that he almost lick him down here.

Nothing as long as PNM don't get a seat. Besides that rampersad woman is a pnm from the randy rampersad clan, they tried umpteen times to win the couva seat but always failed
You too young to remember when that rampersad clan lied and tried to frame Panday for rape.

the mindset of the pp/unc. 'It eh matter wha unc do, once pnm eh get a seat'. Nice nice

Makes sense........

In this LGE the choice comes down to the PP.

Jack and the ILP cannot be trusted enough AT THIS TIME. The PP needs to stop the nonsense and get their stuff in order. They are best positioned to fix the country and get things right.

Oh yeah there's also a party called PNM (who's them?) in the race too. They're a total non entity with absolutely no clue who shouldn't even be considered. I hear their leader was once described as a 'bull in a china shop'.

Like yuh get ur daily dose of sat on the radio. He still plays that raging bull clip with manning?

What Sat have to do with this? You wouldn't know common sense if it bounce you down on Charlotte Street. PNM offers no hope for future of this country. You and Habit7 could come with your PNM spin day after day but it doesn't change the history of the PNM and their actions. Right thinking citizens know better than to vote for the bandit loving party.

[pioneer]

Have not watched one single rally/meeting and don't intend to...come 21st I know where my X goin


kurpal...thaz faralee?

[kurpal_v2]

Karissa fadda



Toating gunman in mih Levi's fuh that

[rfari]

I wonder what is Sat Maharaj's opinion on UNC's choice of Ian Alleyne? Seeing that he almost lick him down here.

Nothing as long as PNM don't get a seat. Besides that rampersad woman is a pnm from the randy rampersad clan, they tried umpteen times to win the couva seat but always failed
You too young to remember when that rampersad clan lied and tried to frame Panday for rape.

the mindset of the pp/unc. 'It eh matter wha unc do, once pnm eh get a seat'. Nice nice

Makes sense........

In this LGE the choice comes down to the PP.

Jack and the ILP cannot be trusted enough AT THIS TIME. The PP needs to stop the nonsense and get their stuff in order. They are best positioned to fix the country and get things right.

Oh yeah there's also a party called PNM (who's them?) in the race too. They're a total non entity with absolutely no clue who shouldn't even be considered. I hear their leader was once described as a 'bull in a china shop'.

Like yuh get ur daily dose of sat on the radio. He still plays that raging bull clip with manning?

What Sat have to do with this? You wouldn't know common sense if it bounce you down on Charlotte Street. PNM offers no hope for future of this country. You and Habit7 could come with your PNM spin day after day but it doesn't change the history of the PNM and their actions. Right thinking citizens know better than to vote for the bandit loving party.

2slight dey bigman. Thanks

[shake d livin wake d dead]

y Ian alleyne said the same thing twice for 2 different nights...he run out ah thing already or..

[Habit7]

This election, St. Joseph and General will be a race between ILP and PP. PNM need to side on the sidelines and spectate because they are no longer a factor. Their crapaud politics is not needed in this country.

so like how many votes u see each party getting so?

Can't give exact numbers.
In a couple areas the ILP may edge the PP.
The PNM will win POS as usual.
The PP as expected will get everything else.

1UNCspin

It's best you post your back-pedal speech now for reference and save the embarrassment on the Oct 22nd.

[K74T]

ANNA’S $13m LAND DEAL
AG: Parents of ILP’s deputy leader sold 20 acres bought from Chadee’s brother for $225,000 for whopping sum to CLICO


By Ria Taitt Political Editor

Story Created: Oct 15, 2013 at 10:21 PM ECT

Story Updated: Oct 15, 2013 at 11:19 PM ECT



INDEPENDENT Liberal party (ILP) Deputy Political Leader Anna Deonarine was the major beneficiary of the sale of 20 acres of land, bought by her parents from Dole Chadee’s brother for $225,000 and then sold by them to CLICO for a whopping $13 million.

Dole Chadee’s brother was Thackoor Boodram, who was beheaded in December 1997.

The sale represents a profit of close to 6,000 per cent on the original investment.

The $13 million was credited to a CLICO policy in Anna Deonarine’s name on March, 29, 2005. The Express obtained copies of all the relevant documents.

The annuity application for an EFPA Policy no R000115034, filed by Anna Rampersad (Deonarine’s married name), stated that “the sale of the property (of) $13,000,000 was to be credited to this policy”.

The CLICO agent who would have received a fee for this transaction was Shama Deonarine, the ILP Deputy Political Leader’s mother. Shama Deonarine, who owned the land along with her husband, worked at CLICO at the time. Shama Deonarine has been celebrated as a highly successful CLICO agent.

The transaction was described as a “land racket” by Attorney General Anand Ramlogan as he addressed last night’s meeting of the UNC in Princes Town.

Ramlogan said the “sweet deal” began with the sale of the 20 acres of land situated at Warren Road, Warrenville, Cunupia, for the “steal of a deal” price of $225,000 in April 1997. The “lucky persons”, Ramlogan said, were Inal and Shama Deonarine, parents of Anna Deonarine, “Ms Range Rover”.

Ramlogan said they purchased the land from Boodram. He said if the name Thakoor Boodram “rang a bell” it was because “this was the deceased brother of hanged drug lord Nankissoon Boodram, aka Dole Chadee... He (Thackoor) was the ... pig farmer who got kidnapped and killed in one of the most brutal killings this country has even seen”, Ramlogan.

Documents held by the Express confirmed that proprietor, “Thakoor Boodram of Valsayn”, sold the land to the Deonarines on April 16, 1997. The land was sold as agricultural land.

In February 2005, Colonial Life Insurance contracted GA Farrell and Associates to arrive at a valuation for the land. The valuation report stated that the land was worth $11 million, on the assumption that Town and Country Planning permission was granted for it to be used for residential purposes.

One month later, the Deonarines sold the land to CLICO for $13 million, $2 million more than the valuation price quoted by Farrell Associates. This was in April 2005.

The Attorney General said CLICO paid this inflated price for the land as though the land was approved for residential use.

Ramlogan stated, however, that no approval was ever given by Town and Country Planning for conversion of the use of the land from agricultural to residential purposes.

Documents show that planning permission had been granted on June 5, 2003 for the subdivision of the parent parcel into four agricultural plots for one year. This approval expired on June 5, 2004.

On January 25, 2008 an application was submitted by Home Construction Ltd, almost three years, after the purchase by CLICO, for the sub-division of the parcel for residential use. This was refused on May 27, 2008. To date there has been no appeal by CLICO of this decision by Town and Country Planning.

Ramlogan said he found the family of Deonarine was getting lots of bargains. He said Anna Deonarine got a Range Rover for a “B15 price”.

With respect to the land, Ramlogan said if one worked out per acre the price, the Deonarines paid Boodram, it worked out to $11,250 per acre.

Noting that there were eight lots in an acre, he said this in turn worked out to 160 lots at $1,406.25 per lot. He said even for agricultural land this was a very low price. “Where does one get a lot of land worth $1,400?” he asked.

Contacted for comment yesterday, Anna Deonarine said she preferred to meet with the Express in person and not speak over the phone. She said she was prepared to meet with the Express today on the issue.

Anna Deonarine has claimed that she was the victim of fraud, involving the purchase of a Range Rover vehicle from an agent, Nadeem Baksh.

The vehicle was seized by the police in November 2011, after the London Metropolitan Police wrote to the Trinidad and Tobago Commissioner of Police about an international car-stealing racket involving high-end luxury vehicles, which were stolen in London and shipped to Trinidad and Tobago for sale.

Deonarine has provided a detailed explanation of her side of the story, saying she was the victim. However, the Attorney General has raised questions about the transaction, including the issue of the price Deonarine paid for the car, which, he claimed, was worth between $1.2 million and $1.6 million, but which was bought by her for $240,000.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/ANNAS-13m-LAND-DEAL-227932971.html

[j.o.e]

how they on my darlin Anna so?.....I don't think she have the back bone for this politics thing, looked like she cried all day over the Range Rover story. That is one sweet land deal tho.

[acesinghit]

1. Clico had a duty to confirm before they purchased the land if it was approved by the T&C for residential use especially if the purchase was being financed at the time the Mortgager will require this.

2. Selling a property above the valuation amount is a norm in T&T especially developers like HCL...
3. Why is this news? Anna's family ought not to make a profit? Is it wrong to make a profit from a sale?

Well....

It better to earn money through a legit sale than to steal it through a contractor..

The PP like the PNM wouldn't know much about these things anyway since they would rather sell the land at a loss to then buy it back to spread more money.

[sMASH]

He linking it with dole chadee brother . He linked it with DUPREY . he then showed the differences in the figures. Then he showed change in hands from person to person.

All that is to put a nasty spin as though illegal things went on. And when he says he going to send file to dpp and CoP and what not, is just to give the impression that it is solid enough to be acted on.

Although it may be a sweet deal and definitely constructed to benefit all those involved, nothing may actually be illegal.

THey worked the system but did not break it.
And you can't punish people for making the best deal for them selves .

[j.o.e]

PP grasping at straws ...as said before nothing illegal. Anand knows that, so disappointing when a AG would use his position to wild up a crowd who doesn't know any better.

[16 cycles]

^ same thought process when successive governments use tax payers' money to pay absurd rent to buildings owned by financiers.....it not illegal

[Dizzy28]

Anand calling Anna Deonarine Ms Range Rover??....He who himself purchased one as an "investment" based on a tax payer funded subsidy.

[16 cycles]

^ another example of ..it not illegal...

[j.o.e]

^ same thought process when successive governments use tax payers' money to pay absurd rent to buildings owned by financiers.....ts it not illegal

its tax payers money genius..its not the same. If I as a private citizen buy a car, land, etc and turn a profit its just astute investment. If someone in a bind and selling something cheap am I wrong to buy it and sell to the highest bidder?

If you can't see the difference between the land deal and that example you used then its a waste of time explaining it to you anyway.

[toyota2nr]

This election, St. Joseph and General will be a race between ILP and PP. PNM need to side on the sidelines and spectate because they are no longer a factor. Their crapaud politics is not needed in this country.

so like how many votes u see each party getting so?

Can't give exact numbers.
In a couple areas the ILP may edge the PP.
The PNM will win POS as usual.
The PP as expected will get everything else.

1UNCspin

It's best you post your back-pedal speech now for reference and save the embarrassment on the Oct 22nd.

I have nothing to back pedal about. It's LGE the PP will not win every seat. Neither of the three parties are clean and honest but T&T stands a better chance under the PP than the bandit party.
Take your head out the sand Keith Rowley and the PNM doesn't have a clue how to help this country.

[j.o.e]

^^^^ back pedal initiated

[16 cycles]

^ CLICO would have used money from their investors who trusted them to do the proper checks before a Million dollar purchase just as we entrust government to act responsibly with our tax dollars....

just looking at it from a different angle....

[j.o.e]

CLICO is not the issue here.....and if ClICO didn't do their checks that's their business...they wanted the land and paid for it, they should have done it with due diligence....that only makes Deonarine case better. Buying cheap and selling high is the basis of capitalism.....therefore all business are doing something wrong by Anand's assertion.

[16 cycles]

^ no probs, anything wrong with the CLICO agent receiving profit from sale of land also happening to be vendor of land?

[Habit7]

PP is grasping at straws and going to the mat with ILP. All these attack ads and accusations against ILP when it is PNM that will take the regional cooperations from them. tsk tsk

[j.o.e]

nope...Agents receive profit on their deposits..even their own. That's standard

[Dizzy28]

PP is grasping at straws and going to the mat with ILP. All these attack ads and accusations against ILP when it is PNM that will take the regional cooperations from them. tsk tsk

Could it be that the PP resigned to the fact the PNM will sweep the Corporations and Boroughs so they going all out to cause as much damage to the ILP as they could??
Bad ind before good sense.