*** THE OFFICIAL HOME THEATER & AUDIO THREAD**

[carluva]

These things are life/time savers

Ditto...

[Chiney]

oh...beastly...

lol my bad, now to fabricate some rear stands for the speakers...

this is hard as this setup is in my living room which isnt TOO big and well, i dont want anyone hitting down my speaker, i will get MAD

[carluva]

Why not try wall mounted speaker mounts. I use these and they are real good and sturdy.

http://www.pinpointmounts.com/AM-20_Uni ... enBn0r3arU

Plus they fit over your standard 2x4 can. Im not sure about the rated weight but i think once your speaker is 10 lbs or less, you should be good.

[carluva]

Why not try wall mounted speaker mounts. I use these and they are real good and sturdy.

http://www.pinpointmounts.com/AM-20_Uni ... enBn0r3arU

Plus they fit over your standard 2x4 can. Im not sure about the rated weight but i think once your speaker is 10 lbs or less, you should be good.

[carluva]

Why not try wall mounted speaker mounts. I use these and they are real good and sturdy.

http://www.pinpointmounts.com/AM-20_Uni ... enBn0r3arU

Plus they fit over your standard 2x4 can. Im not sure about the rated weight but i think once your speaker is 10 lbs or less, you should be good.

[Chiney]

The rears are exactly light...its more than 10lb...actually 12

[crazybalhead]

I had the same problem, and ended up making two shelves.

basically a rectangular piece of ply with molding around it and some decroative brackets I bought from peakes.

They got some woodlice and are partially eaten, but they came out pretty nice initially and were made from scraps.

Painted them with black spray paint. I'll try to take a pic over the weekend.

I have a couple monkeys home who WILL knock over a speaker on a stand.

[Anton]

Got these at Courts. Supposed to be wall mounts for small TV's

[Anton]

Cost about $80 ea. Works well for the keyhole bracket on the back of my surrounds. Will definitely hold more than 12lbs

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I'm using these wall mounts for the Def Tech ProCinema rear speakers. The wires are run inside of conduit in the wall.

[lancer3]

Not bad Anton.

Looking at this tv bracket, to use as a mount for my rear speakers.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016C ... _p23_d0_i3

[Gladiator]

Yamaha RX-A3000

My first rieceiver was a pioneer. The second was a yamaha and my current receiver is a denon...

For my taste the denon is the best with the yamaha second. The denon has audyssey whic can sample up to eight points in the room to acoutically calibrate the room. The pioneer and the yamaha used only a single calibration point. Now the trick with audyssey is that it will calibrate the speakers for the room acoustics but for me that was not perfect. I then needed to tweak to my liking. Having done so, the denon outshines and outperforms the pioneer and the yamaha.

I dont have experience with onkyo but have heard good things. Me personally, i love the denon and would recommend them. Im not too sure about the atmos as not many shows have been released with atmos and ive never heard it, so i will only be convinced once i hear it. Im not sure if its worth the money and will improve the movie experience. If youve heard atmos and are impressed then go strong and post your views.

For the receivers you are looking at, the "W" in the denon means it has wireless capabilities. My denon does not have that but its no biggie since i dont need wireless capabilities and didnt want to spend extra for a feature i wont need. You may want to consider that if you are looking at the denon.

The Denon does look very interesting and the cost is pretty good online. What were the models/lines of the Pioneer, Yamaha and Denon you used if you don't mind me asking?

I have read good things about the Dolby Atmos, some prefer 5.1.2 to 7.1. I think pretty soon this would be the standard for movies.

[M_2NR]

http://m.ebay.com/itm/321853210203?rmvS ... mwBanner=1

For those who wanted a good budget projector, its on sale

[X_Factor]

hear nah, i understand that an electrical component will have/add its own "colouration" to the music but wont the speakers and tuning setting play the ultimate part as to how "bright" or "warm" the system sounds?
Unless ur comparing tubes/pure class A to regular a/b recievers well thats obviously a different kettle of fish

[Chiney]

Lol @ crazybalhead

Well thanks for those options.. I like the 9.99 mount from amazon...brilliant!

[X_Factor]

^u laugh, i am trying to understand this better

[Chiney]

?????

[carluva]

Yamaha RX-A3000

My first rieceiver was a pioneer. The second was a yamaha and my current receiver is a denon...

For my taste the denon is the best with the yamaha second. The denon has audyssey whic can sample up to eight points in the room to acoutically calibrate the room. The pioneer and the yamaha used only a single calibration point. Now the trick with audyssey is that it will calibrate the speakers for the room acoustics but for me that was not perfect. I then needed to tweak to my liking. Having done so, the denon outshines and outperforms the pioneer and the yamaha.

I dont have experience with onkyo but have heard good things. Me personally, i love the denon and would recommend them. Im not too sure about the atmos as not many shows have been released with atmos and ive never heard it, so i will only be convinced once i hear it. Im not sure if its worth the money and will improve the movie experience. If youve heard atmos and are impressed then go strong and post your views.

For the receivers you are looking at, the "W" in the denon means it has wireless capabilities. My denon does not have that but its no biggie since i dont need wireless capabilities and didnt want to spend extra for a feature i wont need. You may want to consider that if you are looking at the denon.

The Denon does look very interesting and the cost is pretty good online. What were the models/lines of the Pioneer, Yamaha and Denon you used if you don't mind me asking?

I have read good things about the Dolby Atmos, some prefer 5.1.2 to 7.1. I think pretty soon this would be the standard for movies.

The pioneer was back in 2010 and that was a vsx820k.

The yamaha was 2011 and that was a rxv667.

The current denon is a avrx4000. I looked at denons website and it seems that all the receivers are standard with wireless.

As i said, the denon outperforms the other two and the sound fidelity is great... With movies, i hear things that i didnt with the yamaha and had to watchover many of my movies just to re-experience what the denon has to offer. The audyssey really worked wonders (i think) and seems much better than the YPAO and MCAC.

Just be mindful of buying something with atmos... The name is slipping me now but before bluray there was a so called hi def dvd which was supposed to be the new experience. And bluray just dominated the market. Many movies are still in 5.1 and 7.1 which will be around for a while. Consider this also... With audyssey, you can add frony heights, which woul render some of the atmos experience... I watched transformers 4 which is the only movie i know of with atmos and with my 7.1 and front heights, the movie experience was quite immersive. All im saying is that you could probably spend the money on something tested and tried or more useful than a new technology like atmos. Choice is yours but if you get the atmos, let us know how it is.

[Gladiator]

Yamaha RX-A3000

My first rieceiver was a pioneer. The second was a yamaha and my current receiver is a denon...

For my taste the denon is the best with the yamaha second. The denon has audyssey whic can sample up to eight points in the room to acoutically calibrate the room. The pioneer and the yamaha used only a single calibration point. Now the trick with audyssey is that it will calibrate the speakers for the room acoustics but for me that was not perfect. I then needed to tweak to my liking. Having done so, the denon outshines and outperforms the pioneer and the yamaha.

I dont have experience with onkyo but have heard good things. Me personally, i love the denon and would recommend them. Im not too sure about the atmos as not many shows have been released with atmos and ive never heard it, so i will only be convinced once i hear it. Im not sure if its worth the money and will improve the movie experience. If youve heard atmos and are impressed then go strong and post your views.

For the receivers you are looking at, the "W" in the denon means it has wireless capabilities. My denon does not have that but its no biggie since i dont need wireless capabilities and didnt want to spend extra for a feature i wont need. You may want to consider that if you are looking at the denon.

The Denon does look very interesting and the cost is pretty good online. What were the models/lines of the Pioneer, Yamaha and Denon you used if you don't mind me asking?

I have read good things about the Dolby Atmos, some prefer 5.1.2 to 7.1. I think pretty soon this would be the standard for movies.

The pioneer was back in 2010 and that was a vsx820k.

The yamaha was 2011 and that was a rxv667.

The current denon is a avrx4000. I looked at denons website and it seems that all the receivers are standard with wireless.

As i said, the denon outperforms the other two and the sound fidelity is great... With movies, i hear things that i didnt with the yamaha and had to watchover many of my movies just to re-experience what the denon has to offer. The audyssey really worked wonders (i think) and seems much better than the YPAO and MCAC.

Just be mindful of buying something with atmos... The name is slipping me now but before bluray there was a so called hi def dvd which was supposed to be the new experience. And bluray just dominated the market. Many movies are still in 5.1 and 7.1 which will be around for a while. Consider this also... With audyssey, you can add frony heights, which woul render some of the atmos experience... I watched transformers 4 which is the only movie i know of with atmos and with my 7.1 and front heights, the movie experience was quite immersive. All im saying is that you could probably spend the money on something tested and tried or more useful than a new technology like atmos. Choice is yours but if you get the atmos, let us know how it is.

I am still deciding... doing some reading online before I make the final choice. However most of the Atmos receivers are backward compatible so you can revert to 7.1 if need be.

However I am still setting up the room and saw your experience with the front height speakers. Where exactly did you position the front height speakers? Also does the Denon have a "Presence" channel like the Yamaha to do the height?

[carluva]

If you follow the audyssey speaker placement guide, they will instruct how to position the front speakers. My speakers however are above the fr and fl speakers and slightly further apart. Check one of my previous posts and you will see some pics i posted.

Audyssey recommends the front wide as a first choice in a 7.1 setup but since i did not have the room, i went for the front heights instead.

Yamaha front presence are basically the same as the audyssey front heights. Just remember that audyssey will use up to 8 microphone placement point to acoutically adjust the speakers to compensate for room acoustics whereas yamaha YPAO only uses a single mic placement point.

What audyssey does is to use the speakers, and more speakers if available, to get the sound in the room close to reference and that is why the 8 mic sample points make such a powerful acoustic tool. From my experience, the YPAO is no class when compared to audyssey and altho i never used the front presence with the yamaha (back then i was running a 5.1) judging from the sound fidelity and the speaker setup, the audyssey tools and speaker placements are top notch.

You said you are doing a new build. My advice is to read up on speaker placement guides and cater for the future... Audyssey can calibrate an 11.2 setup and gives guides on speaker placement for the same, including an order of preference. I dont know whether audyssey calibrates atmos, but this is smtgh worth looking into. If i was in your shoes, i would install conduit and cans (metal cans) for 11.2.4 and depending on what the future holds, you always have the infrastructure for speakers and dont have to worry about that later.

For me, the speakers is the single best investment and you can upgrade receivers or amps if need be. If you use shitti speakers, no amount of quality receiver or amp will help you... With great speakers, any receiver or amp could make the speakers sound good and quality amps would just make the sound better. Alls im saying is that you put in the infastructure up front and good speakkers and later if atmos really comes big, then you simply upgrade the receiver.

Oh yeah... To answer your question... Front presence is a yamaha term. Front heights and front wides are audyssey terminology. So as long as you buy a receiver with audyssey built in (denon, marantz, etc.) you will have the front heights available.

[carluva]

^^^^ read this for some details on audyssey

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=159948

[Gladiator]

If you follow the audyssey speaker placement guide, they will instruct how to position the front speakers. My speakers however are above the fr and fl speakers and slightly further apart. Check one of my previous posts and you will see some pics i posted.

Audyssey recommends the front wide as a first choice in a 7.1 setup but since i did not have the room, i went for the front heights instead.

Yamaha front presence are basically the same as the audyssey front heights. Just remember that audyssey will use up to 8 microphone placement point to acoutically adjust the speakers to compensate for room acoustics whereas yamaha YPAO only uses a single mic placement point.

What audyssey does is to use the speakers, and more speakers if available, to get the sound in the room close to reference and that is why the 8 mic sample points make such a powerful acoustic tool. From my experience, the YPAO is no class when compared to audyssey and altho i never used the front presence with the yamaha (back then i was running a 5.1) judging from the sound fidelity and the speaker setup, the audyssey tools and speaker placements are top notch.

You said you are doing a new build. My advice is to read up on speaker placement guides and cater for the future... Audyssey can calibrate an 11.2 setup and gives guides on speaker placement for the same, including an order of preference. I dont know whether audyssey calibrates atmos, but this is smtgh worth looking into. If i was in your shoes, i would install conduit and cans (metal cans) for 11.2.4 and depending on what the future holds, you always have the infrastructure for speakers and dont have to worry about that later.

For me, the speakers is the single best investment and you can upgrade receivers or amps if need be. If you use shitti speakers, no amount of quality receiver or amp will help you... With great speakers, any receiver or amp could make the speakers sound good and quality amps would just make the sound better. Alls im saying is that you put in the infastructure up front and good speakkers and later if atmos really comes big, then you simply upgrade the receiver.

Oh yeah... To answer your question... Front presence is a yamaha term. Front heights and front wides are audyssey terminology. So as long as you buy a receiver with audyssey built in (denon, marantz, etc.) you will have the front heights available.

Thanks for the info and the link.... one other question about the DENON...

Does the receiver reassign the amplifier for the surround back channels to power the Front Height or can you have front height and surround back simultaneously?

[Chiney]

If I'm mistaken..that's a physical cable to run as well as assigning it.

Oh. I was to tell u. In your walls, run 2 sets of leads to your front stage.. Incase u decide to bi-amp

[carluva]

If you follow the audyssey speaker placement guide, they will instruct how to position the front speakers. My speakers however are above the fr and fl speakers and slightly further apart. Check one of my previous posts and you will see some pics i posted.

Audyssey recommends the front wide as a first choice in a 7.1 setup but since i did not have the room, i went for the front heights instead.

Yamaha front presence are basically the same as the audyssey front heights. Just remember that audyssey will use up to 8 microphone placement point to acoutically adjust the speakers to compensate for room acoustics whereas yamaha YPAO only uses a single mic placement point.

What audyssey does is to use the speakers, and more speakers if available, to get the sound in the room close to reference and that is why the 8 mic sample points make such a powerful acoustic tool. From my experience, the YPAO is no class when compared to audyssey and altho i never used the front presence with the yamaha (back then i was running a 5.1) judging from the sound fidelity and the speaker setup, the audyssey tools and speaker placements are top notch.

You said you are doing a new build. My advice is to read up on speaker placement guides and cater for the future... Audyssey can calibrate an 11.2 setup and gives guides on speaker placement for the same, including an order of preference. I dont know whether audyssey calibrates atmos, but this is smtgh worth looking into. If i was in your shoes, i would install conduit and cans (metal cans) for 11.2.4 and depending on what the future holds, you always have the infrastructure for speakers and dont have to worry about that later.

For me, the speakers is the single best investment and you can upgrade receivers or amps if need be. If you use shitti speakers, no amount of quality receiver or amp will help you... With great speakers, any receiver or amp could make the speakers sound good and quality amps would just make the sound better. Alls im saying is that you put in the infastructure up front and good speakkers and later if atmos really comes big, then you simply upgrade the receiver.

Oh yeah... To answer your question... Front presence is a yamaha term. Front heights and front wides are audyssey terminology. So as long as you buy a receiver with audyssey built in (denon, marantz etc.) you will have the front heights available.

Thanks for the info and the link.... one other question about the DENON...

Does the receiver reassign the amplifier for the surround back channels to power the Front Height or can you have front height and surround back simultaneously?

Ok, so with this particular Denon, you can run 7.1 and 7 channels will be powered with the on board receiver amplifier. The choice of the 7 channels will be the usual 5 channels (C, FL, FR, SL and SR) and the other two channels will be selectable based on your connected speakers (SBL/SBR or FHL/FHR or FWL/FWL). In my case, I have the connected FHL/FHR. In this sense, based on what you have assigned as the other two speakers, the receiver will direct the amplifier power to the appropriate speaker out terminals.

You can also use the receiver as 9.1 channel BUT you will have to use the pre-outs for an external power amp to power the additional 2 speaker. So, the receiver is capable of 9.1 channel decoding however, it can only power 7 speakers. Again, those 7 channels are assignable and will determine how the receiver directs the power from the 7 on board amplifiers.

You will find that this is quite common with Denon receivers in that the receivers can decode more channels but only power a few of the channels with the on board amps. The power for the additional decoded channels will have to come from external amps connected to the pre-out of the receiver for the respective speakers desired.

[carluva]

^^^^^ See excerpt from Denon Manual.

[dredman1]

Amazon Goldbox deal of the day is the Logitech Harmony Ultimate Remote

http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=nav_cs_gb

[Gladiator]

These things are life/time savers

Where did you get these? link me please...

[X_Factor]

Those look like the sewell self crimping banana plugs
amazon has a few brands of them

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Amazon Goldbox deal of the day is the Logitech Harmony Ultimate Remote

http://www.amazon.com/gp/goldbox/ref=nav_cs_gb

I can vouch that this is an awesome remote that can control most of your home and works from your phone too

[Gladiator]

Ok, so with this particular Denon, you can run 7.1 and 7 channels will be powered with the on board receiver amplifier. The choice of the 7 channels will be the usual 5 channels (C, FL, FR, SL and SR) and the other two channels will be selectable based on your connected speakers (SBL/SBR or FHL/FHR or FWL/FWL). In my case, I have the connected FHL/FHR. In this sense, based on what you have assigned as the other two speakers, the receiver will direct the amplifier power to the appropriate speaker out terminals.

You can also use the receiver as 9.1 channel BUT you will have to use the pre-outs for an external power amp to power the additional 2 speaker. So, the receiver is capable of 9.1 channel decoding however, it can only power 7 speakers. Again, those 7 channels are assignable and will determine how the receiver directs the power from the 7 on board amplifiers.

You will find that this is quite common with Denon receivers in that the receivers can decode more channels but only power a few of the channels with the on board amps. The power for the additional decoded channels will have to come from external amps connected to the pre-out of the receiver for the respective speakers desired.

Good info here... however correct me if I am wrong:

The Denon has the SB channels that are assignable (FH, FW and now Atmos), but there are only one set of speaker terminals on the back. So if you install a set of (SB, FH or Atmos) speakers you are limited to that configuration. The issue is that as you said, not all movies would be Atmos, therefore you may not be able to utilize your speaker config for all movies.

The Yamaha however has two separate terminals for SB and Presence/Atmos. So although you can only use one set of speakers at a time, you can have the speakers installed and change the config from Presence->Atmos/SB without swapping cables, to cater for more movie formats.

Your thoughts?