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Will Rowley/Hinds SoE be effective in curbing Crime?

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby MaxPower » January 3rd, 2025, 8:36 am

T&T had travel advisories for years.

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Postby hover11 » January 3rd, 2025, 8:45 am

MaxPower wrote:T&T had travel advisories for years.
This is the thing yet foreigners like Chris must list , zoe etc find themselves in the most ghetto spots for views and makes it appear like it safe

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Postby VexXx Dogg » January 3rd, 2025, 8:54 am

This SOE is just a hiatus/vacation for the criminals unless law enforcement either:

Arrests/convicts
Roast corn

The issue is that locking up a handful of low level pests is meaningless without due process and conviction. To be fair, even losing the foot soldiers is kinda meaningless because ALL areas have cannon fodder waiting to jump in the game.

They need to go after the heads of the hydra.
ALL OF THEM.

And then sustain the pressure so that ambitious replacements are suitably discouraged that this career path is not viable.

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby pugboy » January 3rd, 2025, 8:56 am

the gangsters love them foreigners
they use that to spread their narrative
imagine cml go in all them places and never ask all them gold wearing bandits what is their occupation to earn such gold

hover11 wrote:
MaxPower wrote:T&T had travel advisories for years.
This is the thing yet foreigners like Chris must list , zoe etc find themselves in the most ghetto spots for views and makes it appear like it safe

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby sMASH » January 3rd, 2025, 9:12 am

death365 wrote:been saying this since 1990.... no maxi full ah people suppose to reach where it was going.


matr1x wrote:What the coup showed criminals was that the law enforcement was weak and easily defeated. If the whole muslimeen group was executed, that would have sent a message
NAR was the first ever NON PNM govt in the history of the country , and jess so happen to have a coup. Riiiight
Even when they had the 1970 black power movement and ban Carmichael from entering the country.

Allyuh keep blaming the foot soldiers and giving a pass to the common thread funding all the crap.

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby sMASH » January 3rd, 2025, 9:17 am

VexXx Dogg wrote:This SOE is just a hiatus/vacation for the criminals unless law enforcement either:

Arrests/convicts
Roast corn

The issue is that locking up a handful of low level pests is meaningless without due process and conviction. To be fair, even losing the foot soldiers is kinda meaningless because ALL areas have cannon fodder waiting to jump in the game.

They need to go after the heads of the hydra.
ALL OF THEM.

And then sustain the pressure so that ambitious replacements are suitably discouraged that this career path is not viable.
They will get them on gun possession , but not any substantial evidence connected to any crime in the past.

So , they never had enough intelligence to substantiate a warrant. Soe give them a side step around obtaining a warrant, goes to a few of them house , find the gun and charge them For possession .

Valid enough charge , but they did not solve any crime .

And to me, this just sounding like how them ho house used to do it; when they want to change out to fresh stock call the immigration on them.

No crime get solved , the system still exists , and new young boys will take their place. Cycle continues .

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby Mmoney607 » January 3rd, 2025, 9:20 am

In approximately one hour, the Head of the NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL will speak

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Postby PariaMan » January 3rd, 2025, 9:48 am

Mmoney607 wrote:In approximately one hour, the Head of the NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL will speak
No breds is 230 pm

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Postby Mmoney607 » January 3rd, 2025, 10:06 am

PariaMan wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:In approximately one hour, the Head of the NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL will speak
No breds is 230 pm

Damn. Anyway expect the blame tyson campaign to continue

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Postby matr1x » January 3rd, 2025, 10:37 am

sMASH wrote:
death365 wrote:been saying this since 1990.... no maxi full ah people suppose to reach where it was going.


matr1x wrote:What the coup showed criminals was that the law enforcement was weak and easily defeated. If the whole muslimeen group was executed, that would have sent a message
NAR was the first ever NON PNM govt in the history of the country , and jess so happen to have a coup. Riiiight
Even when they had the 1970 black power movement and ban Carmichael from entering the country.

Allyuh keep blaming the foot soldiers and giving a pass to the common thread funding all the crap.

All I hearing from you is excuses. The muslimeen were to blame for their actions. Why? Because they are greedy and evil. Plain and simple

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby zoom rader » January 3rd, 2025, 10:56 am

matr1x wrote:
sMASH wrote:
death365 wrote:been saying this since 1990.... no maxi full ah people suppose to reach where it was going.


matr1x wrote:What the coup showed criminals was that the law enforcement was weak and easily defeated. If the whole muslimeen group was executed, that would have sent a message
NAR was the first ever NON PNM govt in the history of the country , and jess so happen to have a coup. Riiiight
Even when they had the 1970 black power movement and ban Carmichael from entering the country.

Allyuh keep blaming the foot soldiers and giving a pass to the common thread funding all the crap.

All I hearing from you is excuses. The muslimeen were to blame for their actions. Why? Because they are greedy and evil. Plain and simple
Greedy and Evil?

Whose more Greedy and Evil than the 1% ?

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby VII » January 3rd, 2025, 11:08 am

That's why no bail and life for illegal guns, it's the only way to handle many things in one shot ! Think of it like a broad spectrum treatment.

*with the chance of parole through programs in prison where one can work and be assessed toward their release. If they have such a stake they'll have no choice but to change .Have you seen how the US breaks the backs of the most ruthless criminals with sentences and processes and makes them tow the line , that's how they hold a grip on things because those criminals on a differnt level of crazy and committed etc over there.

T&T is easy to fix!! Just to fill the gaps and have less disconnects. It's basically forced rehabilitation and your stake is your freedom . You wanna be free well prepare to be educated, and we'll have your grade do worry .


sMASH wrote:
VexXx Dogg wrote:This SOE is just a hiatus/vacation for the criminals unless law enforcement either:

Arrests/convicts
Roast corn

The issue is that locking up a handful of low level pests is meaningless without due process and conviction. To be fair, even losing the foot soldiers is kinda meaningless because ALL areas have cannon fodder waiting to jump in the game.

They need to go after the heads of the hydra.
ALL OF THEM.

And then sustain the pressure so that ambitious replacements are suitably discouraged that this career path is not viable.
They will get them on gun possession , but not any substantial evidence connected to any crime in the past.

So , they never had enough intelligence to substantiate a warrant. Soe give them a side step around obtaining a warrant, goes to a few of them house , find the gun and charge them For possession .

Valid enough charge , but they did not solve any crime .

And to me, this just sounding like how them ho house used to do it; when they want to change out to fresh stock call the immigration on them.

No crime get solved , the system still exists , and new young boys will take their place. Cycle continues .

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby FrankChag » January 3rd, 2025, 11:17 am

X-posting from the 2025 Murder thread, viewtopic.php?p=10442872#p10442871


Regarding the usefulness of the 2011 SOE, according to the data,

Murders dropped and plateaued after the 2011 SOE.




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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby hover11 » January 3rd, 2025, 11:20 am

But Frank it's been nine years and they now taking a serious approach to crime, what happened all the other years? Why on the cusp of an election are we in an SOE? We all know trinis have a 7 day memory, so who they really trying to mamaguy here? Imagine two consecutive terms and what meaningful laws or bills were passed to combat criminals?

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Postby sMASH » January 3rd, 2025, 12:03 pm

If they can't get enough evidence to get a warrant , what evidence could they get to convict ?
The problem is the caliber of the units, not the laws.

Possession will be the only crime that get solved. And once they figure out how not to keep things in their possession, crime solving will go down again.

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Postby matr1x » January 3rd, 2025, 12:44 pm

Convict??? That's their buddies. They will be living in luxury for that time

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby matr1x » January 3rd, 2025, 12:46 pm

zoom rader wrote:
matr1x wrote:
sMASH wrote:
death365 wrote:been saying this since 1990.... no maxi full ah people suppose to reach where it was going.


matr1x wrote:What the coup showed criminals was that the law enforcement was weak and easily defeated. If the whole muslimeen group was executed, that would have sent a message
NAR was the first ever NON PNM govt in the history of the country , and jess so happen to have a coup. Riiiight
Even when they had the 1970 black power movement and ban Carmichael from entering the country.

Allyuh keep blaming the foot soldiers and giving a pass to the common thread funding all the crap.

All I hearing from you is excuses. The muslimeen were to blame for their actions. Why? Because they are greedy and evil. Plain and simple
Greedy and Evil?

Whose more Greedy and Evil than the 1% ?



The ones who claim to be more self righteous than the 1% but just as depraved.

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby hover11 » January 3rd, 2025, 1:41 pm

POLICE SAY MAN TIIDA WAS OPEN AND UNATTENDED , SO THEY BEGAN SEARCHING IT

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https://www.facebook.com/share/v/15mcz5H8Ph/

Again why is only certain drivers are targeted

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Postby PariaMan » January 3rd, 2025, 1:42 pm

Who could predict what's gonna be said

Or would Rowley be Rowley and do or say nothing

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby Mmoney607 » January 3rd, 2025, 2:18 pm

PariaMan wrote:Who could predict what's gonna be said

Or would Rowley be Rowley and do or say nothing

It will be a lot of beating around the bush and repeating everything that we already know. Anybody who watch the press conference is a imps

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby PariaMan » January 3rd, 2025, 2:24 pm

Blaming people when 90 something percent of the citizens are law abiding

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Postby Dizzy28 » January 3rd, 2025, 2:34 pm

PariaMan wrote:Blaming people when 90 something percent of the citizens are law abiding


You sure about that?
A not so insignificant portion of this country is quite happy disregarding traffic laws on a daily basis if it means they get to reavh where they are going more quickly r.e. Shoulder driving, going down those time restricted one ways etc.

The murder rate is an extension of the low trust society that we live in and the overall willingness by Trinis to "try a thing"

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby Val » January 3rd, 2025, 2:39 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
PariaMan wrote:Blaming people when 90 something percent of the citizens are law abiding


You sure about that?
A not so insignificant portion of this country is quite happy disregarding traffic laws on a daily basis if it means they get to reavh where they are going more quickly r.e. Shoulder driving, going down those time restricted one ways etc.

The murder rate is an extension of the low trust society that we live in and the overall willingness by Trinis to "try a thing"


While the point is factual, it seems a bit exaggerated. I'm not sure that the average Trini is willing to "try ah murder". Maybe that's not what you are trying to say, but it's how it came across.

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Postby Val » January 3rd, 2025, 2:40 pm

PariaMan wrote:Who could predict what's gonna be said

Or would Rowley be Rowley and do or say nothing


Heavy breaths, blame Kamla, argue with the population for perpetuating crime.

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Postby 16 cycles » January 3rd, 2025, 2:41 pm

KCR, if you reading 2nr before the press - more FuLs and stand your ground after SoE please - tx

try not to quarrel with the reporters too

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby Dizzy28 » January 3rd, 2025, 2:48 pm

Val wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
PariaMan wrote:Blaming people when 90 something percent of the citizens are law abiding


You sure about that?
A not so insignificant portion of this country is quite happy disregarding traffic laws on a daily basis if it means they get to reavh where they are going more quickly r.e. Shoulder driving, going down those time restricted one ways etc.

The murder rate is an extension of the low trust society that we live in and the overall willingness by Trinis to "try a thing"


While the point is factual, it seems a bit exaggerated. I'm not sure that the average Trini is willing to "try ah murder". Maybe that's not what you are trying to say, but it's how it came across.


Trinidad is a country of contradictions. We vex at the murder rate and the home invasions but we have entire public service divisions that are substantially run on graft (Customs, Licensing, Regulatory bodies for construction). Traffic laws are optional for many (those who drive home on the CRH can attest to the sheer numbers of shoulder drivers), public servants steal time by not giving a full day's work for a day's pay (salary negotiations notwithstanding).

We want a country that not many willing to actually work towards and the ultimate manifestation is the murder toll.
It should be no surprise the countries with the lowest murder rates per capita also lie at the bottom of the Corruption Index (Singapore, Denmark, New Zealand, Switzerland etc)

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby PariaMan » January 3rd, 2025, 2:50 pm

Hold police and your ministers accountable and ease up on the reporters and the good citizens.

Quite a few of us know no bandits and just require protection from said bandits

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby hover11 » January 3rd, 2025, 2:51 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
Val wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
PariaMan wrote:Blaming people when 90 something percent of the citizens are law abiding


You sure about that?
A not so insignificant portion of this country is quite happy disregarding traffic laws on a daily basis if it means they get to reavh where they are going more quickly r.e. Shoulder driving, going down those time restricted one ways etc.

The murder rate is an extension of the low trust society that we live in and the overall willingness by Trinis to "try a thing"


While the point is factual, it seems a bit exaggerated. I'm not sure that the average Trini is willing to "try ah murder". Maybe that's not what you are trying to say, but it's how it came across.


Trinidad is a country of contradictions. We vex at the murder rate and the home invasions but we have entire public service divisions that are substantially run on graft (Customs, Licensing, Regulatory bodies for construction). Traffic laws are optional for many (those who drive home on the CRH can attest to the sheer numbers of shoulder drivers), public servants steal time by not giving a full day's work for a day's pay (salary negotiations notwithstanding).

We want a country that not many willing to actually work towards and the ultimate manifestation is the murder toll.
It should be no surprise the countries with the lowest murder rates per capita also lie at the bottom of the Corruption Index (Singapore, Denmark, New Zealand, Switzerland etc)
Salary negotiations cannot be withstanding sir.....it is very crucial I not giving no full day work for no full day pay on a 2013 salary in 2025 , you will take what you get. Blame PNM for the shite this country in, for poor mismanagement of everything in this country yet want to be rewarded with massive increases for doing absolute shite.

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby PariaMan » January 3rd, 2025, 2:53 pm

The government is responsible for controlling crime if they can not then call elections and give someone else a chance

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Re: T&T declares State of Emergency 2024/2025

Postby PariaMan » January 3rd, 2025, 2:56 pm

The detection rate and slow pace of Justice is driving crime, and the average citizen can not change that .

If KCR can not help, then fire yourself

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