All Things US Politics Related: Biden pardons Hunter

[agent007]

Are you all ready?

[Kewell35]

I still stuck in the US here.

Wonder if they gonna have riots/protests tomorrow if Trump lose or even if Biden lose.

better stock up on ammo and food and board up yuh windows

I still have food stuck up from when the covid pandemic had started but yeah all that sounding like good advice actually. Real plenty where I am are trump supporters so who knows.

[Kewell35]

Whoever wins Pen and MI wins.

I don't agree with 538's predictions, I think FL, AZ, GA, and NC going to Trump.....along wit PE and MI

Doh check 538. Realclearpolitics better to use. Rasmussen and IBD more accurate I feel.

I feel it will come down to Penn, Ohio and Florida. Have a feeling Trump will win Florida....so if Biden wins those two he might win.

[redmanjp]

covid + ppl can vote in person? even when other options are there? we can't even vote if we were simply exposed (my last day of quarantine was Aug. 10th.) goes to show they not serious about covid

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/02/health/vote-in-person-with-covid-cdc-wellness/index.html

[redmanjp]

[Dohplaydat]

[Kewell35]

I still stuck in the US here.

Wonder if they gonna have riots/protests tomorrow if Trump lose or even if Biden lose.

They won't finish counting votes til maybe Friday.

Might have results from Florida and Texas who start counting early though. While one way it doesn't necessarily mean one has won over the other, if it goes the other way it is definitely over.

I guess you all haven't read this: it has been going on a few days now, Trump boasting at his rallies that he will send lawyers to stop the count, anything after election day. He says that the winner should be declared on election night and discard the rest of the votes. Imagine a President saying retarded nonsense like this. Millions of votes in each state historically has taken weeks to count. Suddenly Trump farts out this unconstitutional idea and his followers are licking it up at all the rallies. This is what a Trump supporter is.

Trump has been saying that all votes should be counted on election night. “It would be very, very proper and very nice if a winner were declared on November 3rd, instead of counting ballots for two weeks, which is totally inappropriate, and I don’t believe that that’s by our laws,” he told reporters last week. By that standard, any ballots not counted by, say, an arbitrary deadline of midnight Wednesday just wouldn’t count.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/02/votes-counted-after-election-day/

President Trump is doubling down on claims that the results of the presidential election must be known on election night, falsely asserting "that's the way it's been and that's the way it should be."
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/01/930140373/fact-check-trump-falsely-claims-that-votes-shouldnt-be-counted-after-election-da

I think if Biden wins Florida tonight then it's pretty much known that he wins the election.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

18 Trump rallies have led to 30,000 COVID-19 cases: Stanford University study

A new study from Stanford University found that 18 of President Trump’s campaign rallies have led to over 30,000 confirmed coronavirus cases and likely led to over 700 deaths.

Researchers examined rallies held between June 20 and Sept. 22, 2020, only three of which were held indoors.

The researchers then compared spread of the virus in the counties that held the rallies to counties that were on similar case trajectories before the rallies occurred.

The authors concluded that the rallies increased subsequent cases of COVID-19 by over 250 infections per 100,000 residents. They found that the events led to over 30,000 new cases in the country and likely resulted in over 700 deaths, but recognized that the deaths were “not necessarily among attendees.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... university

[Ben_spanna]

I still stuck in the US here.

Wonder if they gonna have riots/protests tomorrow if Trump lose or even if Biden lose.

They won't finish counting votes til maybe Friday.

Might have results from Florida and Texas who start counting early though. While one way it doesn't necessarily mean one has won over the other, if it goes the other way it is definitely over.

I guess you all haven't read this: it has been going on a few days now, Trump boasting at his rallies that he will send lawyers to stop the count, anything after election day. He says that the winner should be declared on election night and discard the rest of the votes. Imagine a President saying retarded nonsense like this. Millions of votes in each state historically has taken weeks to count. Suddenly Trump farts out this unconstitutional idea and his followers are licking it up at all the rallies. This is what a Trump supporter is.

Trump has been saying that all votes should be counted on election night. “It would be very, very proper and very nice if a winner were declared on November 3rd, instead of counting ballots for two weeks, which is totally inappropriate, and I don’t believe that that’s by our laws,” he told reporters last week. By that standard, any ballots not counted by, say, an arbitrary deadline of midnight Wednesday just wouldn’t count.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/02/votes-counted-after-election-day/

This is probably how he will plan to discredit votes not in his favor... going to be some action later on cnn and foxnews!!!

President Trump is doubling down on claims that the results of the presidential election must be known on election night, falsely asserting "that's the way it's been and that's the way it should be."
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/01/930140373/fact-check-trump-falsely-claims-that-votes-shouldnt-be-counted-after-election-da

I think if Biden wins Florida tonight then it's pretty much known that he wins the election.

[Ben_spanna]

18 Trump rallies have led to 30,000 COVID-19 cases: Stanford University study

A new study from Stanford University found that 18 of President Trump’s campaign rallies have led to over 30,000 confirmed coronavirus cases and likely led to over 700 deaths.

Researchers examined rallies held between June 20 and Sept. 22, 2020, only three of which were held indoors.

The researchers then compared spread of the virus in the counties that held the rallies to counties that were on similar case trajectories before the rallies occurred.

The authors concluded that the rallies increased subsequent cases of COVID-19 by over 250 infections per 100,000 residents. They found that the events led to over 30,000 new cases in the country and likely resulted in over 700 deaths, but recognized that the deaths were “not necessarily among attendees.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... university

and 30,000 more idiots who follow trumps beliefs will lead to more than 1 million more cases........... really cant help stupid people neh!!!!

[matr1x]

The US really wants biden? Thats digging under the barrel

[pete]

The US really wants biden? Thats digging under the barrel

Must be thinking that at least the barrel won't be on fire.

[redmanjp]

18 Trump rallies have led to 30,000 COVID-19 cases: Stanford University study

A new study from Stanford University found that 18 of President Trump’s campaign rallies have led to over 30,000 confirmed coronavirus cases and likely led to over 700 deaths.

Researchers examined rallies held between June 20 and Sept. 22, 2020, only three of which were held indoors.

The researchers then compared spread of the virus in the counties that held the rallies to counties that were on similar case trajectories before the rallies occurred.

The authors concluded that the rallies increased subsequent cases of COVID-19 by over 250 infections per 100,000 residents. They found that the events led to over 30,000 new cases in the country and likely resulted in over 700 deaths, but recognized that the deaths were “not necessarily among attendees.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... university

and 30,000 more idiots who follow trumps beliefs will lead to more than 1 million more cases........... really cant help stupid people neh!!!!

per capita that probably still better than the cases caused by our local election rallies- that might be the equivalent of 150 cases in T&T- i sure our own caused a lot more

[Dohplaydat]

18 Trump rallies have led to 30,000 COVID-19 cases: Stanford University study

A new study from Stanford University found that 18 of President Trump’s campaign rallies have led to over 30,000 confirmed coronavirus cases and likely led to over 700 deaths.

Researchers examined rallies held between June 20 and Sept. 22, 2020, only three of which were held indoors.

The researchers then compared spread of the virus in the counties that held the rallies to counties that were on similar case trajectories before the rallies occurred.

The authors concluded that the rallies increased subsequent cases of COVID-19 by over 250 infections per 100,000 residents. They found that the events led to over 30,000 new cases in the country and likely resulted in over 700 deaths, but recognized that the deaths were “not necessarily among attendees.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5 ... university

and 30,000 more idiots who follow trumps beliefs will lead to more than 1 million more cases........... really cant help stupid people neh!!!!

Fair point those rally's were massive and probably only 2 thirds were wearing masks.

But there's no way you can say this is not ok and then encourage BLM protests.

[adnj]

But there's no way you can say this is not ok and then encourage BLM protests.

I don't believe that anyone outside of or unaffected by the issues that precipitate any protest are offering encouragement.

Old news:

Research Determines Protests Did Not Cause Spike In Coronavirus Cases

The study’s lead author, Dhaval Dave of Bentley University, said, “In many cities, the protests actually seemed to lead to a net increase in social distancing, as more people who did not protest decided to stay off the streets.”

In the immediate aftermath of Floyd’s death, health officials expressed great concern that protesters, potentially yelling and shouting in very close proximity, would quickly spread the virus, which might lead to devastating outbreaks.

However, researchers found “no evidence that urban protests reignited Covid-19 case growth during the more than three weeks following protest onset.”

In fact, they determined that, based on cellphone data, “cities which had protests saw an increase in social distancing behavior for the overall population relative to cities that did not,” leading to “modest evidence of a small longer-run case growth decline.”

The study’s lead author, Dhaval Dave of Bentley University, said, “In many cities, the protests actually seemed to lead to a net increase in social distancing, as more people who did not protest decided to stay off the streets.”

Protests against systemic racism held in 300-plus U.S. cities following the death of George Floyd did not cause a significant increase in coronavirus infections, according to a team of economists who have published their findings in a 60-page paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research; these somewhat surprising results are supported by Covid-19 testing data in many populous cities where demonstrations were held. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/ ... b7979c7dac

[The_Honourable]

So covid is a democrat? anti-trumper? wtf!? LOL!!!

[Dohplaydat]

Yes, you can.

Research Determines Protests Did Not Cause Spike In Coronavirus Cases


In the immediate aftermath of Floyd’s death, health officials expressed great concern that protesters, potentially yelling and shouting in very close proximity, would quickly spread the virus, which might lead to devastating outbreaks.

However, researchers found “no evidence that urban protests reignited Covid-19 case growth during the more than three weeks following protest onset.”

In fact, they determined that, based on cellphone data, “cities which had protests saw an increase in social distancing behavior for the overall population relative to cities that did not,” leading to “modest evidence of a small longer-run case growth decline.”

The study’s lead author, Dhaval Dave of Bentley University, said, “In many cities, the protests actually seemed to lead to a net increase in social distancing, as more people who did not protest decided to stay off the streets.”

Protests against systemic racism held in 300-plus U.S. cities following the death of George Floyd did not cause a significant increase in coronavirus infections, according to a team of economists who have published their findings in a 60-page paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research; these somewhat surprising results are supported by Covid-19 testing data in many populous cities where demonstrations were held. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/ ... b7979c7dac

It's extremely disingenuous to make a concrete claim like that, or in most cases what they did was cherry-pick cities that most likely had small protests and did not include them in their study.

I find that bias in reporting and research extremely distasteful and it then gets parroted around by persons who haven't actually looked at the data.

Even experts say it's hard to gauge the impact but claiming it had no impact is blatant lying and goes against what the Dems want, which is stricter lockdowns.

https://www.capradio.org/articles/2020/ ... ll-sparse/

[maj. tom]

Looks like Trump will take Florida. Expected result.

[sMASH]

how long should they take to get most of the votes tallied? i figure not just one night?

[adnj]

Yes, you can.

Research Determines Protests Did Not Cause Spike In Coronavirus Cases


In the immediate aftermath of Floyd’s death, health officials expressed great concern that protesters, potentially yelling and shouting in very close proximity, would quickly spread the virus, which might lead to devastating outbreaks.

However, researchers found “no evidence that urban protests reignited Covid-19 case growth during the more than three weeks following protest onset.”

In fact, they determined that, based on cellphone data, “cities which had protests saw an increase in social distancing behavior for the overall population relative to cities that did not,” leading to “modest evidence of a small longer-run case growth decline.”

The study’s lead author, Dhaval Dave of Bentley University, said, “In many cities, the protests actually seemed to lead to a net increase in social distancing, as more people who did not protest decided to stay off the streets.”

Protests against systemic racism held in 300-plus U.S. cities following the death of George Floyd did not cause a significant increase in coronavirus infections, according to a team of economists who have published their findings in a 60-page paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research; these somewhat surprising results are supported by Covid-19 testing data in many populous cities where demonstrations were held. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/ ... b7979c7dac

It's extremely disingenuous to make a concrete claim like that, or in most cases what they did was cherry-pick cities that most likely had small protests and did not include them in their study.

I find that bias in reporting and research extremely distasteful and it then gets parroted around by persons who haven't actually looked at the data.

Even experts say it's hard to gauge the impact but claiming it had no impact is blatant lying and goes against what the Dems want, which is stricter lockdowns.

https://www.capradio.org/articles/2020/ ... ll-sparse/

Read the reaseach. And then read the research again. Then read the dissenting research, if you can find it because I can't seem to.

"The study used newly collected data from 315 of the largest U.S. cities and documents that protests took place in 281 of those cities."

"The study’s conclusions are supported by Covid-19 testing data in many of the cities that were home to prevalent protesting. For instance, the Minneapolis Department of Health reported that more than 15,000 people were tested at centers set up in communities affected by the protests, and 1.7% of tests came back positive—below the statewide average of about 3.6%. According to the Washington Post, protest attendees in Minneapolis returned positivity rates of less than 1% and that “officials believe the low infection rates reflect that the protests were outside, that most people wore masks and that people spent most of their time in motion, circulating through the crowd.” NPR reported last week that parties—not protests—are believed to have caused coronavirus spikes in Washington. “We’re finding that the social events and gatherings, these parties where people aren’t wearing masks, are our primary source of infection,” said Erika Lautenbach, a local county Health Department director."

[maj. tom]

how long should they take to get most of the votes tallied? i figure not just one night?

Most times it takes weeks for each State to tally/recount the results accurately and then they send the results to D.C. That's the popular vote. The Electoral College votes for the President in December. We're talking about millions and millions of votes and mail in ballots. Elections END today, but the voting process started about a month ago. That's the logistics for millions of voters, one doesn't expect all of them to attend polling stations on one single day. India general elections takes 3 months.

Only the media declares a winner on election night, which is why Trump wants counting to stop tonight.

We Have Never Had Final Results on Election Day
President Trump has been trying to pre-emptively delegitimize ballots counted after Nov. 3. But states have always counted past election night.

Americans are accustomed to knowing who won on election night because news organizations project winners based on partial counts, not because the counting is actually completed that quickly. These race calls mean Candidate A is far enough ahead that, given the number of outstanding ballots and the regions those ballots are coming from, Candidate B would realistically be unable to close the gap.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/us/politics/trump-ballot-counting-election.html

[The_Honourable]

Wild ride over the next few days (weeks?)

[The_Honourable]

Why two Swiss-led data models predict a Trump win

Two teams of researchers in Switzerland say their data models based on search frequency and speech analysis forecast a win for Republican President Donald Trump in the US elections on Tuesday. Both teams’ models predicted Trump’s 2016 victory. What’s behind their approaches?

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/why-two-sw ... n/46131826

[MaxPower]

Friends,

Whats the latest?

Any new developments??

What racist Van Jones saying?

[bluefete]

Friends,

Whats the latest?

Any new developments??

What racist Van Jones saying?

Hold strain, Max, hold strain. Give it a couple hours again.

[MaxPower]

^ ok thanks, will do.

[bluefete]

Why two Swiss-led data models predict a Trump win

Two teams of researchers in Switzerland say their data models based on search frequency and speech analysis forecast a win for Republican President Donald Trump in the US elections on Tuesday. Both teams’ models predicted Trump’s 2016 victory. What’s behind their approaches?

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/why-two-sw ... n/46131826

I will be watching closely.

[bluefete]

Trump leads in New Hampshire, Indiana, Kentucky in early counts.

[bluefete]

Source of information: Regular updates coming in.

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+elec ... e&ie=UTF-8

[Dohplaydat]

Saw a Reddit source (unverified) in FL indicating that Trump'ss results are better than expected so far......interesting.