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[Norton12005]

Low test?

Symptoms?
Treatment?

No, it's my test results, youre reading it wrong. It came back as 17ng/ml, the normal range is 2.2 to 10.5 and entire lipid profile is in check.

So bro...wats the procedure to get a test like this done?

Doctors recommendation etc. Which is a good doctor to visit concerning fitness?

Where does a nutritionist fit in here?

I recently started gyming and changed my diet to a bit healthier one. I would like to do a check up like this and get any advice possible.

Hey,

Head to the nearest medical lab, and do total baseline bloodwork, that is:

Testosterone
Lipid Profile
Renal function
Psa
Cbc diff
Liver function


What's your healthier diet?

[b18b_turbo]

Low test?

Symptoms?
Treatment?

No, it's my test results, youre reading it wrong. It came back as 17ng/ml, the normal range is 2.2 to 10.5 and entire lipid profile is in check.

So bro...wats the procedure to get a test like this done?

Doctors recommendation etc. Which is a good doctor to visit concerning fitness?

Where does a nutritionist fit in here?

I recently started gyming and changed my diet to a bit healthier one. I would like to do a check up like this and get any advice possible.

I went to PathCare medical lab on montrose main road and asked them if I could get back the results the same day and the girl did it for me asap and called to collect about 2 hours later.

Since you inquired about the test I did they were:

1) Free and total testosterone
2) Lipid profile

the total cost was $305 for everything.

I did the lipid profile test because I am genetically prone to high cholesterol and heart disease from both my parents' sides of the family. Im not on any oral stuff or heavy supplements.

All those baseline tests will cost a whole lot more (in the thousands range) and are necessary if you are injecting yourself with harmful/toxic substances and taking liver+kidney toxic oral steroids which i highly doubt u wana do nor would i recommend. Unless you are taking very high amounts of creatine and protein to affect your liver and kidneys (never really heard of liver damage from protein or creatine). If you believe you are some health risk, then go ahead, but even so, I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO TO YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY AND GETTING A CHECK-UP SO HE CAN GIVE YOU AN EDUCATED RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHAT TESTS TO DO. As I said, I know I have a risk of high cholesterol so I chose to do lipid profile at this point. However you dont need to see a doctor before testing for testosterone, you can go ahead and do it then use various natural remedies to try to boost your level if it is low.

The #1 supplements are cellucor p6 and Beast super test. I also find animal stak is a good one too

Tribulus is also good if you want to get the herbal route

For the person who wants to stay healthy and fit, stay lean then eat clean and supplement properly, just take your liver cleansers ever so often, i like Himalaya Liv 52 (a healthy liver also means that you can produce more testosterone) and just have cranberry juice in your fridge and drink some routinely, also drink water frequently. Making these things a part of your lifestyle would ensure that you are not stressing your organs.

[troublemaker]

Thanks for the reply fellas..my change in diet was a reduction in flour stuff...eating grilled chicken as often as possible.

[b18b_turbo]

niceness! I cook 10lbs of boneless breast night b4 and stock up the fridge in portions. I got 40lbs of boneless buterfly breast at premium quality meats in balmain for $720. They usually have a 20lb box also, not butterfly for $300.


!!!ON A SIDE NOTE!!!

Who here throws out the egg yellows? I eat 4 to 5 whole eggs every single morning as a routine with toast, peanut butter and coffee and yes i mean EVERY SINGLE MORNING and my cholesterol profile is all in check. I dont know what all the fuss about the cholesterol in egg yellows is about. Only this morning when i was making breakfast i was like.....wait.....i eat this everyday and the test shows that nothing it out of range especially in a negative way.

Anybody has anything to ad or is there any reason why my cholesterol isnt all over the place if egg yellows are harmful wrt cholesterol?

[16 cycles]

Test at another lab as a measure of control...

[b18b_turbo]

wana sponsor the test?

[X_Factor]

^ it could be ur off-setting the little cholesterol in the egg with the rest of your daily eating habits and training routine.............and even if you splurge in the junk ever so often...its not often enough to significantly increase the bad chol range

if you add in some fried foods and cheese, other snacks say 2-3 times a week with an inactive person
easily chol range >300

[X_Factor]

not to mention you said you take liver supps, and since the liver deals with the chol, a healthy liver will easily remove whatever little bad chol there is, more so if you eat oats regularly

[b18b_turbo]

^ it could be ur off-setting the little cholesterol in the egg with the rest of your daily eating habits and training routine.............and even if you splurge in the junk ever so often...its not often enough to significantly increase the bad chol range

if you add in some fried foods and cheese, other snacks say 2-3 times a week with an inactive person
easily chol range >300

makes sense. Food through the day is usually pretty clean.

I have 2 shakes a day with raw rolled oats, 1.5 scoop whey protein, 2 tablespoon peanut butter, honey, wheat germ. (I believe that mass gainers are a huge rip off and it is better to make them this way using your own macros to suit your body, training and goal)

I know the oats help control cholesterol and it was really shocking to me when i read the peanut butter nutritional facts (I use PLanters crunchy) it has 0mg cholesterol and loads of healthy fats (more than the saturated fats) and all the time i used to limit if with the fear of high cholesterol problems.

[b18b_turbo]

not to mention you said you take liver supps, and since the liver deals with the chol, a healthy liver will easily remove whatever little bad chol there is, more so if you eat oats regularly

I have not taken liver supps in a long time. But the wifey has been grating up some tumeric (safforn) for me and making tea to drink a few nights for the week for overall health and inflamation.

[X_Factor]

nice.that saffron is called liquid gold tea in some parts
you can add some ginger to boost the natural anti inflammatory properties

[Richard Marshall]

niceness! I cook 10lbs of boneless breast night b4 and stock up the fridge in portions. I got 40lbs of boneless buterfly breast at premium quality meats in balmain for $720. They usually have a 20lb box also, not butterfly for $300.


!!!ON A SIDE NOTE!!!

Who here throws out the egg yellows? I eat 4 to 5 whole eggs every single morning as a routine with toast, peanut butter and coffee and yes i mean EVERY SINGLE MORNING and my cholesterol profile is all in check. I dont know what all the fuss about the cholesterol in egg yellows is about. Only this morning when i was making breakfast i was like.....wait.....i eat this everyday and the test shows that nothing it out of range especially in a negative way.

Anybody has anything to ad or is there any reason why my cholesterol isnt all over the place if egg yellows are harmful wrt cholesterol?

So eating the yolk, and eggs everyday is safe on cholesterol? Can anyone else confirm? While it can be possibly safe, everyone's biochemistry is different.

[Conrad]

niceness! I cook 10lbs of boneless breast night b4 and stock up the fridge in portions. I got 40lbs of boneless buterfly breast at premium quality meats in balmain for $720. They usually have a 20lb box also, not butterfly for $300.


!!!ON A SIDE NOTE!!!

Who here throws out the egg yellows? I eat 4 to 5 whole eggs every single morning as a routine with toast, peanut butter and coffee and yes i mean EVERY SINGLE MORNING and my cholesterol profile is all in check. I dont know what all the fuss about the cholesterol in egg yellows is about. Only this morning when i was making breakfast i was like.....wait.....i eat this everyday and the test shows that nothing it out of range especially in a negative way.

Anybody has anything to ad or is there any reason why my cholesterol isnt all over the place if egg yellows are harmful wrt cholesterol?

NeverThrowAwayTheEggCrew!

Restarting gym tomorrow, 2+ weeks since I've been. The last time I went Chik-V kicked my ass.

[b18b_turbo]

nice.that saffron is called liquid gold tea in some parts
you can add some ginger to boost the natural anti inflammatory properties

oh nice! didnt know about that one, ill try it maybe add some flavor, that tumeric alone taste lil rancid.

Richard Marshall Im not saying its all good. Im just speaking from what i do, my experience and test results along with the activities and deit intake throughout the day. But I do believe that it is very beneficial and saturated fats should be looked at with more scrutiny than egg yellows.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/254465.php

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 4603000943

For the purpose of the research, middle-aged males and females with metabolic syndrome were split into 2 groups: one group ate 3 whole eggs each day and the other ate the same amount of egg substitute each day as part of a carbohydrate-restricted diet to lose weight.

After the subjects in the whole eggs group spent 3 months on the diet, the researchers found that it had no impact on their LDL cholesterol or total blood cholesterol, even though they were eating two times the amount of cholesterol than they were before the experiment began.

Both the whole eggs group and the egg substitute group had increases in HDL cholesterol, decreases in plasma triglycerides, and improved lipid profiles.

Dr. Luz Fernandez explained:

"Eating egg yolks was actually associated with enhanced health benefits in these high-risk individuals. Subjects consuming whole eggs had greater increases in HDL cholesterol and more significant reductions in the LDL/HDL cholesterol ratio than those who ate the cholesterol-free egg substitute."

To me it's almost like a marijuana vs cigarette argument but you can get cigarettes at just about any store in the country. They extract stuff from one and use it to cure conditions and the other is just available everywhere to light up, smoke and eat away your health. We're blaming the wrong one.

Yesterday avocados were bad, today its good
Yesterday coconut oil was bad, today its good
Science is always changing their findings and conclusions

Best is to investigate things for yourself and see how it reacts with you.

[X_Factor]

niceness! I cook 10lbs of boneless breast night b4 and stock up the fridge in portions. I got 40lbs of boneless buterfly breast at premium quality meats in balmain for $720. They usually have a 20lb box also, not butterfly for $300.


!!!ON A SIDE NOTE!!!

Who here throws out the egg yellows? I eat 4 to 5 whole eggs every single morning as a routine with toast, peanut butter and coffee and yes i mean EVERY SINGLE MORNING and my cholesterol profile is all in check. I dont know what all the fuss about the cholesterol in egg yellows is about. Only this morning when i was making breakfast i was like.....wait.....i eat this everyday and the test shows that nothing it out of range especially in a negative way.

Anybody has anything to ad or is there any reason why my cholesterol isnt all over the place if egg yellows are harmful wrt cholesterol?

So eating the yolk, and eggs everyday is safe on cholesterol? Can anyone else confirm? While it can be possibly safe, everyone's biochemistry is different.

while it will be safe for b18 since his "diet" and does not have much cholesterol from other sources as well as his level of activity may make whatever that is in the eggs negligible for him

however....if your eating habits include higher amts of cholesterol from other sources added to inactivity and you add the egg yolk to the mix, it may easily send you in the cause for concern level

dont forget what high fructose corn syrup does to your liver compared to regular cane sugar

[b18b_turbo]

exactly, so egg yolks are not to blame really. its the other junk people eat everyday all day. Eggs are so full of nutrients. Also these nutrients are mainly fat soluble, so they would reside in the yolk making it the powerhouse of the egg. Also did you know that the yolk actually has MORE protein than the egg white?

So clean up your diet (especially saturated fats) and reap the benefits of whole eggs.

[DVSTT]

As we on the topic of diet, these days I find I real tired, despite getting 8 hours of sleep, which is bad cuz I supposed to be studying. Additionally I'm always hungry. I have no idea what's going on with me but it has me a bit concerned. I eat a lot, mostly meat and protein, hardly any sugary sodas or candy. Any ideas how to rectify these problems?

[Conrad]

Happens to me when I stop hitting gym. It's as though my body goes into hibernation, I begin to eat more sometimes just to stay awake.

Studying is also stressful, not sure how much it would affect your CNS.

[meccalli]

Cholesterol isn't the problem, hdl and ldl are just carriers, you eat more of it, its gonna carry more to and fro its metabolic pathway to the liver and sink. As you mentioned saffron, its very anti inflammatory which is the cause of most problems as a result of the bodies reaction to foreign agents- like milk lol. Cholesterol has been taking that rap for producing placque whereas its really arterial inflammation to the terrible stuff people eat. btw, the saffron you get all over really isn't saffron which is damn expensive, best try to get a root and grow it in your yard. I suggest anyone read this
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html

[Norton12005]

niceness! I cook 10lbs of boneless breast night b4 and stock up the fridge in portions. I got 40lbs of boneless buterfly breast at premium quality meats in balmain for $720. They usually have a 20lb box also, not butterfly for $300.


!!!ON A SIDE NOTE!!!

Who here throws out the egg yellows? I eat 4 to 5 whole eggs every single morning as a routine with toast, peanut butter and coffee and yes i mean EVERY SINGLE MORNING and my cholesterol profile is all in check. I dont know what all the fuss about the cholesterol in egg yellows is about. Only this morning when i was making breakfast i was like.....wait.....i eat this everyday and the test shows that nothing it out of range especially in a negative way.

Anybody has anything to ad or is there any reason why my cholesterol isnt all over the place if egg yellows are harmful wrt cholesterol?

So eating the yolk, and eggs everyday is safe on cholesterol? Can anyone else confirm? While it can be possibly safe, everyone's biochemistry is different.

Richard,

There are basic rules to follow for simply and advance bodybuilding, for example:

1- Define your objective (Gain lean muscle, loose body fat, bulk, etc)

2- Do a program at the gym to match your objective (You won't lift heavy weights with low reps to get lean, you won't do plenty cardio while bulking)

3- Do your baseline tests, whether you at the gym or just for general health purposes (Just see if you heart, kidney, prostate, liver are all good.

4- Find a supplement or two at the drug store/sport shop to match your training and objective (You won't buy serious mass if you are trying to loose weight)

5- Review your progress

You can eat eggs everyday. but you need to know your threshold

In other words know your stats, just to share my stats with fellow tuners,

5'6
210 lbs
lean rock hard muscle
Testosterone high with range
Cholesterol out of range (I rather it stay out of range, during my program and at the end i bring it back in range) Why! If I kill most or all toxins, I would decrease the potency of my supps)
Kidney- excellent
Liver in range
Heart all enzymes in range
etc etc...

[b18b_turbo]

the saffron you get all over really isn't saffron which is damn expensive, best try to get a root and grow it in your yard. I suggest anyone read this
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html

Yeah we buy the saffron root by a provision man in charlieville and grate it.

And yeah buddy, milk really had some bad effects, I grew up drinking almost a half pack of milk a day and used to have breakouts on my forehead and shoulders. Stopped drinking milk a while now and have not had a flare up in the longest while.

DVSTT, maybe your carb intake is too low and as Conrad said, studying is stressful, I know all those people who "tryin to win scholarship" long time used to take sonatagen and b-complex or stress B supplement. Maybe you could look into things like these and see if it helps. Personally I find healthy night snacks used to really help me when i was in UWI.

On another note, the overall rule to stick with for anything at all is that prevention is better than cure.

[troublemaker]

Ah boy...seems like im nt the only noob feeling crappy no matter how much i sleep lol

U all are discussing exactly wat im experiencing...feeling very tired no matter how much rest i get...hence the reason i eanted to get the tests done and visit a doctor as well.

Im no expert like you guys so i definately need guidance on what i shud and shudnt do/eat/suppliment etc

Keep the info coming:mrgreen:

[DVSTT]

Happens to me when I stop hitting gym. It's as though my body goes into hibernation, I begin to eat more sometimes just to stay awake.

Studying is also stressful, not sure how much it would affect your CNS.

It actually started right as I stopped gym. I also stopped eating sweet potatoes every day in an effort to lessen the fat I'd accumulate while studying so my carb intake has dropped considerably. I suppose I could use the home gym and continue progress slowly

[X_Factor]

so you stopped eating sweet potatoes but continued eating what?...potatoes, soda, juice, fast foods?

[DVSTT]

so you stopped eating sweet potatoes but continued eating what?...potatoes, soda, juice, fast foods?

Nah I don't drink sodas or sugary juices nor do I eat fast food, unless you count the occasional subway. I do eat potatoes though, lots if eggs and whole wheat bread, oats, chicken, ham and the usual Saturday morning doubles. I figure I'll try to get more veggies in my diet as I believe I lack in that area.

[AllTrac]

niceness! I cook 10lbs of boneless breast night b4 and stock up the fridge in portions. I got 40lbs of boneless buterfly breast at premium quality meats in balmain for $720. They usually have a 20lb box also, not butterfly for $300.


!!!ON A SIDE NOTE!!!

Who here throws out the egg yellows? I eat 4 to 5 whole eggs every single morning as a routine with toast, peanut butter and coffee and yes i mean EVERY SINGLE MORNING and my cholesterol profile is all in check. I dont know what all the fuss about the cholesterol in egg yellows is about. Only this morning when i was making breakfast i was like.....wait.....i eat this everyday and the test shows that nothing it out of range especially in a negative way.

Anybody has anything to ad or is there any reason why my cholesterol isnt all over the place if egg yellows are harmful wrt cholesterol?

directions to meat ship in balmain please.


as for your side note, healthy dietary saturated fats does not affect blood cholesterol in healthy males. The following links have studies that prove that. I also eat about 4-5 eggs almost daily and my lipid profile comes back perfect for my yearly medical for work

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/84/6/1550.1.full

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/84/6/ ... nsion.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3648753/

[AllTrac]

key word is "healthy" males. This would be males who have some sort of aerobic and anaerobic activity involved. SO basically, eat your eggs and train hard, get that heart rate up

[b18b_turbo]

directions to meat ship in balmain please.

Heading into balmain (driving as though going into couva) you pass Ramlagan's hardware on the right, follow the road, pass the bars right after, then you'll see Jaganata's candy wholesalers on the right. Its the first building on the right after them on the corner opposite the electrical shop/hardwars. Cant miss it. Premium Quality Meats

[Conrad]

Anywhere North sells at reasonable price?

Chk breast (bone in, no back) went up to $15/lb where I buy.

[VexXx Dogg]

Just curious, why not buy normal chicken breasts (bone in, skin on) and then just strip the skin when you're ready to cook.
You're paying plenty more to have that done for you.

More chicken for your buck.