The Religion Discussion

[DFC]

bluefete what if they discover life on other planets?

What will we do if life is discovered on other planets? Will it be of a form that we can mate with?

I always found it amusing that so-called aliens (a la ufo's )had one head, 2 hands, 2 feet, ears (sometimes), nose (sometimes). The dna/human blueprint was too close. If aliens exist - will they be our distant (no pun intended) relatives?

The Bible is clear that aliens do not exist!!. Unless you count angels who are from the spiritual realm.

lol

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7399661.stm
Vatican says aliens could exist.
The Pope's chief astronomer says that life on Mars cannot be ruled out.

read the rest of the article.

So the vatican now realising that life can exist in other planets.So what about them? Lifeforms in mars?, they have no Jesus to save them...so are they doomed also?

[d spike]

wormholes
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

Must you drag your Organic Farming nonsense into EVERY conversation?

[megadoc1]

ha ha note: I didn't tell you "look proof" I told you go look for proof

oh another cop-out not really am just testing how much you want proof

because obviously these people "crazier" than me
but would you question/investigate them ?

I would question them if they were posting in this thread along with our discussion here, why not?
but its the same Jesus that I am speaking about, is it not him you want proof of ?

So back to my question. Where is your proof? how willing are you?

[illumin@ti]

Megadoc. what drug are you on? seriously wtf u smokin...








and doh tell mih is de holy spirit

[d spike]

'jesus rose from the dead, beat that!'
i can beat that- he did not even die, as god answered his prays and removed that cup from him,,, and he did not even have to be god to have his prayers answered.
.

where you get this?

recall one instance when jesus (pbuh) asked/prayed for something and he did not receive it.

no I want to know how you hear about what Jesus did
where did you get your info from?

Megadoc, stop revealing your inabilities here, nah. It is starting to get embarrassing. That is not the way to handle that point.
This is the perfect time for you to do what you are good at, quoting scripture. Smash is querying a point REGARDING an article, so quoting it in its entirety would help make him realise his error. (but ah forget... yuh has ah problem wit unnerrstannin what dem words does mean... )

Smash, why don't you look carefully at the words spoken by Jesus which you refer to? (Since you referred to it, I take it that you accept that specific incident was recorded properly in the writings you apparently read.)
Yes, he does ask that the "cup be removed from him" but he goes on to say "BUT not my will, but thy will be done". This has always been understood as his accepting his fate, to do God's will, even though he is very afraid. Thus his prayer is one of initially admitting his fear, AND accepting his task.

(I wonder if Bluefete will chastise me for "interpreting" this passage - a highly dangerous practise, I am told.)

[d spike]

This is not about a poll but about a discussion about God.

"A discussion about God"? Or a discussion about folks' encounters with God?
More likely a collective diatribe chastising those who don't believe, and even more about why people should not believe in what they believe about not believing in what you believe.
(And don't forget damning an excellent movie that taught quite a few Christian morals, especially about the world God gave us, because some fundamentalist christians were upset about veiled insults directed to Hindus - that Hindus weren't insulted by - as being demonic.)

If you REALLY think this, then this thread needs a massive clean-up.

[hydroep]

Circles are round.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

not really am just testing how much you want proof

LOL what? and for what reason would you be testing me?

but its the same Jesus that I am speaking about, is it not him you want proof of ?

Not at all! I know Jesus walked the earth.

I do not want proof of Jesus or Christianity or even religion. I know they all exist and their respective values, practices and beliefs. Trust me, I would not come to you for proof of these things as their are tons of resources on the net and in libraries with much more rational data than you have displayed to have.

I ONLY want you to prove you own personal claims of exegesis, exorcism etc. SO far you have not proven a single claim.

So back to my question. Where is your proof?

how willing are you?

only as willing as you are to prove your statements in here to be true.

Of course I expect another cop-out because we all know you can't prove what you say is true because it isn't.

[d spike]

Interpretation is dangerous.

Really? What specific bible do you use?

KJV

Isn't this written in English? Didn't someone have to "interpret" it from another language? Isn't that "dangerous"?

Not interpret Spikey, TRANSLATE. There is a difference.

Yes, it's called semantics.
Explaining what is meant by a statement is part of showing understanding of the statement.
If, however, you were referring to "personal interpretation", which is only dangerous when you use it to refute or change the tenets held by the group you belong to (and insist everyone else does the same), then I would agree - and so would Peter, after all, that was what he was probably referring to.

Translating English from other languages is not as theoretical as you fondly hope it is. Try it some time yourself. What is the French word for "walk"? Why should you not use the Spanish word for "egg" in public in many parts of South America?

[DFC]

Circles are round.

where in the bible does it say that? if it doesnt say so in the bible then its not true.
and the circles must accept jesus to be saved.






dont dare post facts in this thread.

whats wrong with u?

this thread is about BELIEF.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Translating English from other languages is not as theoretical as you fondly hope it is. Try it some time yourself. What is the French word for "walk"? Why should you not use the Spanish word for "egg" in public in many parts of South America?

Evangelists and western christian fundamentalists seem to think that the bible was written in English by God.

[Chimera]

Megadoc1, still waiting on the location and name of your church.

I would like to visit it.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ bluefete and Megadoc1 said they don't go to church and they don't subscribe to religious groups - they follow Jesus.

they've made up their own religion and ways of practicing it claiming they are following the bible correctly (which is what ALL sects claim anyway).

Its really just a cop-out as fault can be found with each existing "church" or religious groupd which is against the belief that "that which is of God is without fault"

[MG Man]

Scary dude: Have you found Jesus, Mr Gump"
Forrest: I didn't know I was supposed to be lookin' for him, Sir

[Chimera]

^ bluefete and Megadoc1 said they don't go to church and they don't subscribe to religious groups - they follow Jesus.

"

But a few pages back, he invited spike to come see him practicing miracles and whatnot

I would like to know where he was inviting spike

[megadoc1]

Megadoc. what drug are you on? seriously wtf u smokin...
and doh tell mih is de holy spirit

'jesus rose from the dead, beat that!'
i can beat that- he did not even die, as god answered his prays and removed that cup from him,,, and he did not even have to be god to have his prayers answered.
.

where you get this?

recall one instance when jesus (pbuh) asked/prayed for something and he did not receive it.

no I want to know how you hear about what Jesus did
where did you get your info from?

Megadoc, stop revealing your inabilities here, nah. It is starting to get embarrassing. That is not the way to handle that point.
This is the perfect time for you to do what you are good at, quoting scripture. Smash is querying a point REGARDING an article, so quoting it in its entirety would help make him realise his error. (but ah forget... yuh has ah problem wit unnerrstannin what dem words does mean... ) oh gosh... I just wanted to know if he was quoting from the "corrupt" source

Smash, why don't you look carefully at the words spoken by Jesus which you refer to? (Since you referred to it, I take it that you accept that specific incident was recorded properly in the writings you apparently read.)
Yes, he does ask that the "cup be removed from him" but he goes on to say "BUT not my will, but thy will be done". This has always been understood as his accepting his fate, to do God's will, even though he is very afraid. Thus his prayer is one of initially admitting his fear, AND accepting his task.

(I wonder if Bluefete will chastise me for "interpreting" this passage - a highly dangerous practise, I am told.)

good Job d spike

not really am just testing how much you want proof

LOL what? and for what reason would you be testing me? nevermind duane I got my answer

but its the same Jesus that I am speaking about, is it not him you want proof of ?

Not at all! I know Jesus walked the earth.

I do not want proof of Jesus or Christianity or even religion. I know they all exist and their respective values, practices and beliefs. Trust me, I would not come to you for proof of these things as their are tons of resources on the net and in libraries with much more rational data than you have displayed to have.cool

I ONLY want you to prove you own personal claims of exegesis, exorcism etc. SO far you have not proven a single claim.ok

So back to my question. Where is your proof?

how willing are you?

only as willing as you are to prove your statements in here to be true.
great!! what do you think is the best way to show you proof?
what are your rules? would your mind be opened to it?

Of course I expect another cop-out because we all know you can't prove what you say is true because it isn't.take yuh time take it easy there

Megadoc1, still waiting on the location and name of your church.

I would like to visit it.

cool no scene

^ bluefete and Megadoc1 said they don't go to church and they don't subscribe to religious groups - they follow Jesus.
you are mistaken megadoc1 never stated that

they've made up their own religion and ways of practicing it claiming they are following the bible correctly (which is what ALL sects claim anyway).because of your former mistake it is safe to say you are in error

Its really just a cop-out as fault can be found with each existing "church" or religious groupd which is against the belief that "that which is of God is without fault"error

^ bluefete and Megadoc1 said they don't go to church and they don't subscribe to religious groups - they follow Jesus.

"

But a few pages back, he invited spike to come see him practicing miracles and whatnot

I would like to know where he was inviting spike yuh understand !! although I cannot remember inviting d spike cause he done say he doh wah be anywhere near me...something with me being contagious

[d spike]

^ bluefete and Megadoc1 said they don't go to church and they don't subscribe to religious groups - they follow Jesus.

they've made up their own religion and ways of practicing it claiming they are following the bible correctly (which is what ALL sects claim anyway).

Its really just a cop-out as fault can be found with each existing "church" or religious groupd which is against the belief that "that which is of God is without fault"

Quite right.
How can you claim to be "Christian", claim that Jesus' words are true and will never be proven wrong, then do your best to disprove him when he said: "upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will NEVER prevail against it..."

What I could never get a proper explanation for, is how they could accept the scriptures that were put together and translated by the "misinformed".

[d spike]

So back to my question. Where is your proof?

how willing are you?

only as willing as you are to prove your statements in here to be true.
great!! what do you think is the best way to show you proof?
what are your rules? would your mind be opened to it?

Megadoc could give lessons on how to beat around the bush...

[toyo682]

'jesus rose from the dead, beat that!'
i can beat that- he did not even die, as god answered his prays and removed that cup from him,,, and he did not even have to be god to have his prayers answered.

The Old Testament verses are the prophecy; the New Testament verses proclaim the fulfillment. Check them all out for yourself!

* Born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:21-23)
* A descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12:1-3; 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:16)
* Of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10; Luke 3:23, 33; Hebrews 7:14)
* Of the house of David (2 Samuel 7:12-16; Matthew 1:1)
* Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2, Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-7)
* Taken to Egypt (Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:14-15)
* Herod´s killing of the infants (Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16-18)
* Anointed by the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11:2; Matthew 3:16-17)
* Heralded by the messenger of the Lord (John the Baptist) (Isaiah 40:3-5; Malachi 3:1; Matthew 3:1-3)
* Would perform miracles (Isaiah 35:5-6; Matthew 9:35)
* Would preach good news (Isaiah 61:1; Luke 4:14-21)
* Would minister in Galilee (Isaiah 9:1; Matthew 4:12-16) Would cleanse the Temple (Malachi 3:1; Matthew 21:12-13)
* Would first present Himself as King 173,880 days from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25; Matthew 21:4-11)
* Would enter Jerusalem as a king on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9; Matthew 21:4-9)
* Would be rejected by Jews (Psalm 118:22; I Peter 2:7)
* Die a humiliating death (Psalm 22; Isaiah 53) involving:
1. rejection (Isaiah 53:3; John 1:10-11; 7:5,48)
2. betrayal by a friend (Psalm 41:9; Luke 22:3-4; John 13:18)
3. sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12; Matthew 26:14-15)
4. silence before His accusers (Isaiah 53:7; Matthew 27:12-14)
5. being mocked (Psalm 22: 7-8; Matthew 27:31)
6. beaten (Isaiah 52:14; Matthew 27:26)
7. spit upon (Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 27:30)
8. piercing His hands and feet (Psalm 22:16; Matthew 27:31)
9. being crucified with thieves (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38)
10. praying for His persecutors (Isaiah 53:12; Luke 23:34)
11. piercing His side (Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34)
12. given gall and vinegar to drink (Psalm 69:21, Matthew 27:34, Luke 23:36)
13. no broken bones (Psalm 34:20; John 19:32-36)
14. buried in a rich man’s tomb (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60)
15. casting lots for His garments (Psalm 22:18; John 19:23-24)
* Would rise from the dead!! (Psalm 16:10; Mark 16:6; Acts 2:31)
* Ascend into Heaven (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9)
* Would sit down at the right hand of God (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:3)

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

nevermind duane I got my answer

LOL and what would that answer be

great!! what do you think is the best way to show you proof?
what are your rules? would your mind be opened to it?

Is your proof so weak that it requires criteria to work?

proof is proof; once you can bring empirical evidence then rules would not apply.
We do not need an open mind or rules to see that water turns to ice when frozen because there is empirical evidence of it
In case you do not know or understand what empirical research or evidence means, I have put this link here for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_research

as for a closed mind... You are the one who will not move from what is stated in the bible despite evidence showing otherwise and because of this you swear the earth is 6000 years old.

"we all know" take yuh time take it easy there

Is there someone in this thread who has proof of what you have claimed to be able to do?

you are mistaken megadoc1 never stated that

ok so then which church do you go to and are you Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Baptist? What religious group are you part of?

oh and BTW "Cool", "Cool no scene" and "Ok" and not answers.

[sMASH]

'jesus rose from the dead, beat that!'
i can beat that- he did not even die, as god answered his prays and removed that cup from him,,, and he did not even have to be god to have his prayers answered.

The Old Testament verses are the prophecy; the New Testament verses proclaim the fulfillment. Check them all out for yourself!

* Born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:21-23)
* A descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12:1-3; 22:18; Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:16)
* Of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10; Luke 3:23, 33; Hebrews 7:14)
* Of the house of David (2 Samuel 7:12-16; Matthew 1:1)
* Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2, Matthew 2:1; Luke 2:4-7)
* Taken to Egypt (Hosea 11:1; Matthew 2:14-15)
* Herod´s killing of the infants (Jeremiah 31:15; Matthew 2:16-18)
* Anointed by the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11:2; Matthew 3:16-17)
* Heralded by the messenger of the Lord (John the Baptist) (Isaiah 40:3-5; Malachi 3:1; Matthew 3:1-3)
* Would perform miracles (Isaiah 35:5-6; Matthew 9:35)
* Would preach good news (Isaiah 61:1; Luke 4:14-21)
* Would minister in Galilee (Isaiah 9:1; Matthew 4:12-16) Would cleanse the Temple (Malachi 3:1; Matthew 21:12-13)
* Would first present Himself as King 173,880 days from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25; Matthew 21:4-11)
* Would enter Jerusalem as a king on a donkey (Zechariah 9:9; Matthew 21:4-9)
* Would be rejected by Jews (Psalm 118:22; I Peter 2:7)
* Die a humiliating death (Psalm 22; Isaiah 53) involving:
1. rejection (Isaiah 53:3; John 1:10-11; 7:5,48)
2. betrayal by a friend (Psalm 41:9; Luke 22:3-4; John 13:18)
3. sold for 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12; Matthew 26:14-15)
4. silence before His accusers (Isaiah 53:7; Matthew 27:12-14)
5. being mocked (Psalm 22: 7-8; Matthew 27:31)
6. beaten (Isaiah 52:14; Matthew 27:26)
7. spit upon (Isaiah 50:6; Matthew 27:30)
8. piercing His hands and feet (Psalm 22:16; Matthew 27:31)
9. being crucified with thieves (Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 27:38)
10. praying for His persecutors (Isaiah 53:12; Luke 23:34)
11. piercing His side (Zechariah 12:10; John 19:34)
12. given gall and vinegar to drink (Psalm 69:21, Matthew 27:34, Luke 23:36)
13. no broken bones (Psalm 34:20; John 19:32-36)
14. buried in a rich man’s tomb (Isaiah 53:9; Matthew 27:57-60)
15. casting lots for His garments (Psalm 22:18; John 19:23-24)
* Would rise from the dead!! (Psalm 16:10; Mark 16:6; Acts 2:31)
* Ascend into Heaven (Psalm 68:18; Acts 1:9)
* Would sit down at the right hand of God (Psalm 110:1; Hebrews 1:3)

^^ that is an answer, but i don't know what is its question.


jesus (pbuh) according the the bible, prayed three times for the cup to be removed. maybe when he said 'not by my will, but urs' he was being polite, he was a very respectful person. he demonstrated fear, distress, anxiety, submission, and haste when he berated the disciples.

[d spike]

As the Caliph responded to the General who had led the muslim horde that seized Egypt, with regard to the question of what to do with all the books that were within the Library of Alexandria: "If they agree with the Koran, they are superfluous; if they disagree with the Koran, they are blasphemous. Burn it." this is for sMASH

No, son. It was presented for your benefit. It is for you.

[d spike]

^^ that is an answer, but i don't know what is its question.

[sMASH]

'jesus rose from the dead, beat that!'
i can beat that- he did not even die, as god answered his prays and removed that cup from him,,, and he did not even have to be god to have his prayers answered.
.

where you get this?

recall one instance when jesus (pbuh) asked/prayed for something and he did not receive it.

no I want to know how you hear about what Jesus did
where did you get your info from?

^^ got it from ur bible, but put it in the political/social context at the time, factor in that he did not come to break the laws... i get another interpretation.

[d spike]

good Job d spike
Ammmm... so I'm not telling lies this time? Look here, little man, don't annoy me with your nonsense... commending me, as though you are in a position to commend or condemn? Pull up your pants, and put your nose in your books.

I cannot remember inviting d spike cause he done say he doh wah be anywhere near me...something with me being contagious
Damn right! Whatever malaise you have that affects your ability to reason and communicate might very well be contagious.

[d spike]

oh and BTW "Cool", "Cool no scene" and "Ok" and not answers.

doh beat up

[Chimera]

taken from a friend's facebook



well everyone, if a man like Gandhi gone to hell according to megadoc1's belief.,


We are all doomed.

[megadoc1]

good Job d spike
Ammmm... so I'm not telling lies this time? Look here, little man, don't annoy me with your nonsense... commending me, as though you are in a position to commend or condemn? Pull up your pants, and put your nose in your books.
you are wrong I speak under authority of Jesus Christ
under what name is your authority?

I cannot remember inviting d spike cause he done say he doh wah be anywhere near me...something with me being contagious
Damn right! Whatever malaise you have that affects your ability to reason and communicate might very well be contagious.Jesus?

[sMASH]

As the Caliph responded to the General who had led the muslim horde that seized Egypt, with regard to the question of what to do with all the books that were within the Library of Alexandria: "If they agree with the Koran, they are superfluous; if they disagree with the Koran, they are blasphemous. Burn it." this is for sMASH

No, son. It was presented for your benefit. It is for you.

duck, i agree that was myopic. that was a zealous act.

[megadoc1]

nevermind duane I got my answer

LOL and what would that answer be

great!! what do you think is the best way to show you proof?
what are your rules? would your mind be opened to it?

Is your proof so weak that it requires criteria to work? no but I just don't want yuh pulling long shot on meh ..yuh know how it is when men desperate
proof is proof; once you can bring empirical evidence then rules would not apply.
We do not need an open mind or rules to see that water turns to ice when frozen because there is empirical evidence of it
In case you do not know or understand what empirical research or evidence means, I have put this link here for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_research
"Empirical research is research that derives its data by means of direct observation or experiment",great!!!!! so what about you getting someone you know that may be in a situation in which we claim to deliver them from cancer, broken limbs etc.any situation of your choice and bring them to see for yourself
how that sound?

as for a closed mind... You are the one who will not move from what is stated in the bible despite evidence showing otherwise and because of this you swear the earth is 6000 years old.simply because I know greater

"we all know" take yuh time take it easy there

Is there someone in this thread who has proof of what you have claimed to be able to do? hmmm

you are mistaken megadoc1 never stated that

ok so then which church do you go to and are you Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Baptist? What religious group are you part of? I do not belong to any denominational group
I belong to a non denominational group thats very powerful here in trinidad and I did post the group website in this ched about 70 pages aback

oh and BTW "Cool", "Cool no scene" and "Ok" and not answers.cool