The Religion Discussion

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

wtf?

dude here u are avoiding the question again.
You are a coward.

Evolution is not the topic here. U are deflecting ( another cowards escape)

I guess u cannot prove God exists.

I repeat. Do you believe in gravity?

Can you see it, smell it, taste it, touch it, feel it?

Stop deflecting.

Of course you feel gravity!!!!
ever hit an air pocket on a plane? You feel weightless for a second or two, that is lack of gravity

We are not discussing lack of gravity, sir. The original question stands:

Can you feel gravity?

When Newton almost got a "buss" head with the apple, he theorized the theory of gravity. However, did he feel gravity? The answer is equivocally - NO

what????

you suggested that you cannot feel, taste, smell or hear gravity yet you believe in it just as someone does not need to feel, taste, smell or hear God to believe he exists

I am telling you that you CAN feel gravity

man has always felt gravity.
What does Newton have to do with the argument?
What Newton did was explain through scientific methods the rate and state at which gravity works.

[megadoc1]

there is only one true God but you can take chances and pick

You took the same chance. There is an equal chance that you are also wrong.
nope this God revealed himself to man

so what/who makes you believe this?

common sense and logic so no god?

do you know you Just created your own god? you broke the 2nd commandment
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.[/color]

Created my own God? I did nothing of the sort yes you did
Put less faith in books written by men, yes!

Where did I create a graven image?right about here...

If I had to believe anything it would be that I doubt God cares about what we call him, how we pray to him, or what books we follow. I would believe that God is beyond looking to us for prayers and would be more interested in what we do to prolong our existence, prolong our planet and better the lives of our fellow men and the rest of the universe.

you created a god to suit yourself in your mind

DO you even know what graven means!!!
LOL
YOu busy touting around bible quotations and you don't even know what the words mean

Adj. b]graven[/b] - cut into a desired shape; "graven images"; "sculptured representations"take it easy .. but you did create an image of a god in your mind

I suggested my feelings of what God would expect of me. cut into a desired shape,sculptured representations?
No different from any other religious text that claims God is a vengeful or jealous god.no eh thats what happen when you think for yourself what God should be like
not what he really is

Each religion has claimed that their God has revealed himself to man. That is the basis of belief,so then we see how your Imagination of a god become dangerous ? you have a self revealed god that their God is real. is your god real ? You cannot prove yourself to be more right than someone of another religion.no need to Jesus only require your belief in him

if you can then PLEASE do it done

[bluefete]

megaducky you speak of creating an image of god.

are you saying that christianity is completely devoid of symbology or a worshipped icon of god or jesus?

Let me take this one, DFC.

The Good Book is clear. "THOU SHALT NOT MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE OF ANYTHING THAT IS IN THE HEAVEN ABOVE OR IN THE EARTH BENEATH ...

THOU SHALT NOT BOW DOWN THYSELF AND WORSHIP THEM.

Any Christian congregation that has icons of God in their places of worship is breaking the above commandment.

Furthermore, the Bible also says that we must NOT worship angels:

And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10

This is again repeated a little later on:

8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Revelation 22:8-9

[3stagevtec]

wtf?

dude here u are avoiding the question again.
You are a coward.

Evolution is not the topic here. U are deflecting ( another cowards escape)

I guess u cannot prove God exists.

I repeat. Do you believe in gravity?

Can you see it, smell it, taste it, touch it, feel it?

Stop deflecting.

Of course you feel gravity!!!!
ever hit an air pocket on a plane? You feel weightless for a second or two, that is lack of gravity

We are not discussing lack of gravity, sir. The original question stands:

Can you feel gravity?

When Newton almost got a "buss" head with the apple, he theorized the theory of gravity. However, did he feel gravity? The answer is equivocally - NO

Wait a minute, you don't believe in Gravity?

Of course you can feel gravity.. Ever notice how the astronauts had to walk on the moon? That's because of it's small size. Gravity is related to the mass and size of a planet.. So huge planets like Jupiter will have a very strong gravity field.

Even out in space you can feel the effects of the Sun's gravity. What do you think is keeping us in orbit around the sun all this time?

[bluefete]

I repeat. The same methodology used to "prove' evolution can be used to prove the existence / non-existence of God. Evolution is certainly quantifiable by science, not so?

Except that there is tangible and empirical evidence of evolution in animals, bones, fossils etc but there is no tangible or empirical evidence of the existence of God.

While MOST people who accept evolution and the Big Bang also believe in a God, there is ABSOLUTELY NO proof in the literal meaning of any religious text.

Science has used the same methodology to prove that the earth is billions of years old and life has evolved from single cell organisms

i.e. The earth is NOT 6000 years old. There is no proof of it except what is written in religious texts

Duane, you have stated something very interesting. The universe is approx. 13.7 billion years old according to scientists. You wrote "that the earth is billions of years old". I would say approx. 4.5 billion years old according to the scientists.

But yet:

HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?

[b]Compiled by Rev. Jack Barr
[/b]

1st off, is Rev Jack a scientist or does he have any scientific background?

Read his argument then tell me. He has supported his rebuttals with appropriate arguments.

[3stagevtec]

When ever you lift an object, you feel the effects of gravity on it. Even when you lift your bare hand, it's gravity that is pulling it back down to earth.

Did you ever study Newton's laws of motion? If you did, you will see exactly how consistent and accurate they are at measuring the effects of gravity on objects..

Try and refute that..

[DFC]

so you must not make an image of god, and must not bow before angels.

yet how many churches are there in the name the angels?
how many churches in the name of jesus's deciples ?
how many churches in the name of Mother Mary?

and why do christians kneel before a cross?

and christians worship and kneel before the beaten and bloodied, tortured Christ nailed to a cross.?
(oh how peaceful and loving is that)

so this is ok in Christianity

...but for everyother religion its wrong?


lolzzzzz...

[bluefete]

so then they are ubiquitous.
where did the demons get this power from?

it is more power than humans have; otherwise we would not need to worry about being misguided by them

they dont have "much " power? the "little" power they have, where did they get it from then?

These demons are "fallen angels". Consequently, they are minions of the devil. Angels have power greater than we can understand. This includes fallen angels as well.

As humans, we can learn from Jesus' example when satan tried to tempt him after 40 days and nights of fasting. After turning down the temptations, Jesus rebuked and chased satan away.

The demon possession thing I am know not too much about. However, some people expose themselves to demon(s) (possession) by the things they do. For example Ouija Boards, watching demonic movies and so on.

Do you believe that megadoc1 casts out demons from possessed people?

I have no reason to doubt that he can. Even Jesus mentioned that some demons can only be cast out through prayer and fasting.

The deceased Fr. Mendes was well known as an exorcist. Some of the demonic battles he faced were legendary.

[3stagevtec]

I repeat. The same methodology used to "prove' evolution can be used to prove the existence / non-existence of God. Evolution is certainly quantifiable by science, not so?

Except that there is tangible and empirical evidence of evolution in animals, bones, fossils etc but there is no tangible or empirical evidence of the existence of God.

While MOST people who accept evolution and the Big Bang also believe in a God, there is ABSOLUTELY NO proof in the literal meaning of any religious text.

Science has used the same methodology to prove that the earth is billions of years old and life has evolved from single cell organisms

i.e. The earth is NOT 6000 years old. There is no proof of it except what is written in religious texts

Duane, you have stated something very interesting. The universe is approx. 13.7 billion years old according to scientists. You wrote "that the earth is billions of years old". I would say approx. 4.5 billion years old according to the scientists.

But yet:

HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?

[b]Compiled by Rev. Jack Barr
[/b]

1st off, is Rev Jack a scientist or does he have any scientific background?

Read his argument then tell me. He has supported his rebuttals with appropriate arguments.

Yes, I did read and responded appropriately above.. Please note that my response, nothing is taken for granted / nothing is convently conveniently left out and everything can be properly well backed up..

[bluefete]

so you must not make an image of god, and must not bow before angels.

yet how many churches are there in the name the angels?
how many churches in the name of jesus's deciples ?
how many churches in the name of Mother Mary?

and why do christians kneel before a cross?

and christians worship and kneel before the beaten and bloodied, tortured Christ nailed to a cross.?
(oh how peaceful and loving is that)

so this is ok in Christianity

...but for everyother religion its wrong?


lolzzzzz...

Those who do it are knowingly misleading their flock and have it wrong. If it is wrong for Christianity it is wrong for ALL.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

graven - cut into a desired shape; "graven images"; "sculptured representations"

take it easy .. but you did create an image of a god in your mind

LOL so you realize you are wrong and your response is "Take it easy"??? LOL
At NO point in time did I have an IMAGE of what God looked like in my head

I suggested my feelings of what God would expect of me.

cut into a desired shape,sculptured representations?

What was cut and sculpted? i am beginning to worry about the IQ level of the person I am talking to!

no eh thats what happen when you think for yourself what God should be like
not what he really is

And you know what God really is because of what a book tells you? The book also tells you that the book is the word of God. How is my feelings any different from men writing on their interpretation of what God wants or commands?

is your god real ?

no more real than yours

You cannot prove yourself to be more right than someone of another religion.

no need to Jesus only require your belief in him

no need to? SO then you are saying you cannot prove it? Instead you will just state some belief that you have as if that will make the question go away?

done

Wait you just said "no need to" and now you are saying "done". if you didnt need to DO something, how then can it be DONE?

You know that DONE is the past tense of DO? right?

[bluefete]

When ever you lift an object, you feel the effects of gravity on it. Even when you lift your bare hand, it's gravity that is pulling it back down to earth.

Did you ever study Newton's laws of motion? If you did, you will see exactly how consistent and accurate they are at measuring the effects of gravity on objects..

Try and refute that..

So did gravity EVOLVE to be this precise?

[megadoc1]

so you must not make an image of god, and must not bow before angels.

yet how many churches are there in the name the angels?
how many churches in the name of jesus's deciples ?
how many churches in the name of Mother Mary?

and why do christians kneel before a cross?

and christians worship and kneel before the beaten and bloodied, tortured Christ nailed to a cross.?
(oh how peaceful and loving is that)

so this is ok in Christianity no its not

...but for everyother religion its wrong?


lolzzzzz...

anyone bowing to any image of a god Is not of God

[3stagevtec]

When ever you lift an object, you feel the effects of gravity on it. Even when you lift your bare hand, it's gravity that is pulling it back down to earth.

Did you ever study Newton's laws of motion? If you did, you will see exactly how consistent and accurate they are at measuring the effects of gravity on objects..

Try and refute that..

So did gravity EVOLVE to be this precise?

That's one way of deflecting..

I didn't read to far back into this thread.. What exactly do you believe about gravity? Or what does the bible say about it?

[bluefete]

Yes, I did read and responded appropriately above.. Please note that my response, nothing is taken for granted / nothing is convently conveniently left out and everything can be properly well backed up..

Sorry about that. I'm now checking your responses out.

[bluefete]

When ever you lift an object, you feel the effects of gravity on it. Even when you lift your bare hand, it's gravity that is pulling it back down to earth.

Did you ever study Newton's laws of motion? If you did, you will see exactly how consistent and accurate they are at measuring the effects of gravity on objects..

Try and refute that..

So did gravity EVOLVE to be this precise?

That's one way of deflecting..

I didn't read to far back into this thread.. What exactly do you believe about gravity? Or what does the bible say about it?

"... [and] hangeth the earth upon nothing." Job 26:7

[3stagevtec]

^ oh, I see.. wait.. you used a NASA image.. lol

so what about the earth orbiting the sun? and similarly the moon orbiting the earth?

there is clear visible evidence of that..

there must be some external force that is changing the earth (and all the other planets on our solar system) direction to keep them circling the sun..

also, what about the gravitational effect of the moon on the earth? i.e. the ocean tides we experience? also, did you know that the moon's gravity distorts the entire plant earth into an egg shape.. I believe it's only by a few inches or so.. but it was measured already..

[megadoc1]

graven - cut into a desired shape; "graven images"; "sculptured representations"

take it easy .. but you did create an image of a god in your mind

LOL so you realize you are wrong and your response is "Take it easy"??? LOL yeah right
At NO point in time did I have an IMAGE of what God looked like in my head
really?

I suggested my feelings of what God would expect of me.

cut into a desired shape,sculptured representations?

What was cut and sculpted? i am beginning to worry about the IQ level of the person I am talking to!me too its strange to see a guy like you in a position
where you choose to understand little

no eh thats what happen when you think for yourself what God should be like
not what he really is

And you know what God really is because of what a book tells you? yes The book also tells you that the book is the word of God.yess How is my feelings any different from men writing on their interpretation of what God wants or commands?because you came up with a god to suit you but those guys wrote what God wants me to know about him and he commands how he wants me to live

is your god real ?

no more real than yours
this is the most honest answer I ever got from you probably you never intended it

You cannot prove yourself to be more right than someone of another religion.

no need to Jesus only require your belief in him

no need to? SO then you are saying you cannot prove it?to me yes Instead you will just state some belief that you have as if that will make the question go away?who knows

done

Wait you just said "no need to" and now you are saying "done". if you didnt need to DO something, how then can it be DONE?
when ah restart linux I will come up with sumn hold on

You know that DONE is the past tense of DO? right?you serious?

[bluefete]

^ oh, I see.. wait.. you used a NASA image.. lol

I have to give credit.

[3stagevtec]

^ oh, I see.. wait.. you used a NASA image.. lol

I have to give credit.

right right..

oh, i edited my last response.. what do you think?

[toyo682]

question is which "we" are you ?

If I had to believe anything it would be that I doubt God cares about what we call him, how we pray to him, or what books we follow. I would believe that God is beyond looking to us for prayers and would be more interested in what we do to prolong our existence, prolong our planet and better the lives of our fellow men and the rest of the universe.

A few questions- when you read the Bible do you find the concept that God does not care about what name we call him by? What about all the passages that talk about idols being detestable in the eyes of God? Is the Bible Monotheistic or Polytheistic in nature?

And if it is all about good works then sad to break the news Mr. Hitler and others like him are in Heaven. Such is the goodness of God. While many think Hitler is a horrible person, many think he did good for Germany. So who knows his good may have out weighed his bad. I forgot the measurement, how much good cancels out one sin again?

[zcarz]

Amazing. You will NEVER do that with Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) or Hanuman. It just goes to prove that there really is something special about Jesus Christ for people to try so very hard to bring Him down in so many different ways.

actually there are even more pics/ animations of Muhammed than Jesus.

[toyo682]

so you must not make an image of god, and must not bow before angels.

yet how many churches are there in the name the angels?
how many churches in the name of jesus's deciples ?
how many churches in the name of Mother Mary?

and why do christians kneel before a cross?

and christians worship and kneel before the beaten and bloodied, tortured Christ nailed to a cross.?
(oh how peaceful and loving is that)

so this is ok in Christianity

...but for everyother religion its wrong?


lolzzzzz...

Not all sects of Christianity do this take it easy...

[bluefete]

^ oh, I see.. wait.. you used a NASA image.. lol

so what about the earth orbiting the sun? and similarly the moon orbiting the earth?

there is clear visible evidence of that..

there must be some external force that is changing the earth (and all the other planets on our solar system) direction to keep them circling the sun..

also, what about the gravitational effect of the moon on the earth? i.e. the ocean tides we experience? also, did you know that the moon's gravity distorts the entire plant earth into an egg shape.. I believe it's only by a few inches or so.. but it was measured already..

This is all very true. However, my problem is that evolutionists say that this precise alignment of heavenly bodies (although the universe is expanding and galaxies are racing away from us) is due to some evolutionary concept.

Did gravity evolve so perfectly? Why is it that the earth is placed precisely in an orbit that allows life as we know it to thrive?

If the earth was in a different orbit by even a few thousand miles, would life exist?

All the scientific arguments try to negate the contribution of a creator.

[bluefete]

so you must not make an image of god, and must not bow before angels.

yet how many churches are there in the name the angels?
how many churches in the name of jesus's deciples ?
how many churches in the name of Mother Mary?

and why do christians kneel before a cross?

and christians worship and kneel before the beaten and bloodied, tortured Christ nailed to a cross.?
(oh how peaceful and loving is that)

so this is ok in Christianity

...but for everyother religion its wrong?


lolzzzzz...

Not all sects of Christianity do this take it easy...

Granted. However a vast majority do, in some form or fashion, even unknowingly.

[bluefete]

Amazing. You will NEVER do that with Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) or Hanuman. It just goes to prove that there really is something special about Jesus Christ for people to try so very hard to bring Him down in so many different ways.

actually there are even more pics/ animations of Muhammed than Jesus.

Well, level the playing field.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

And you know what God really is because of what a book tells you?

yes

The book also tells you that the book is the word of God.

yess

How is my feelings any different from men writing on their interpretation of what God wants or commands?

because you came up with a god to suit you but those guys wrote what God wants me to know about him and he commands how he wants me to live

and how did those guys know what God wanted you to know? Didnt they put their feelings, experiences and interpretations into it?

[bluefete]

question is which "we" are you ?

If I had to believe anything it would be that I doubt God cares about what we call him, how we pray to him, or what books we follow. I would believe that God is beyond looking to us for prayers and would be more interested in what we do to prolong our existence, prolong our planet and better the lives of our fellow men and the rest of the universe.

A few questions- when you read the Bible do you find the concept that God does not care about what name we call him by? What about all the passages that talk about idols being detestable in the eyes of God? Is the Bible Monotheistic or Polytheistic in nature?

And if it is all about good works then sad to break the news Mr. Hitler and others like him are in Heaven. Such is the goodness of God. While many think Hitler is a horrible person, many think he did good for Germany. So who knows his good may have out weighed his bad. I forgot the measurement, how much good cancels out one sin again?

39And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

40But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luke 23:39-43

Even at the last, if we confess and ask forgiveness, God will forgive.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

halt there!
plz remember that not ALL Christians have the same practices. Christian is a broad term and simply means "follower of Christ" so please do not abuse it; these practices by some do not dictate the practices by ALL denominations.
ok that's all!

this is what I thought too, but megadoc and bluefete are claiming that Catholics, Anglicans, Presbyterians etc etc etc are doing it wrong.

megadoc and bluefete know the right way though because Jesus told them privately.

[bluefete]

halt there!
plz remember that not ALL Christians have the same practices. Christian is a broad term and simply means "follower of Christ" so please do not abuse it; these practices by some do not dictate the practices by ALL denominations.
ok that's all!

this is what I thought too, but megadoc and bluefete are claiming that Catholics, Anglicans, Presbyterians etc etc etc are doing it wrong.

megadoc and bluefete know the right way though because Jesus told them privately.

No. We read the Book