The Religion Discussion

[Razkal]

bluefete, ok, take win. take heaps of win.


@ dry ...ENT!?

[Sky]

You see the Bible clearly states that life started in the ocean but it took scientists 2,000 years to verify it. HAH!!!!!!

If he left his planet building tools around we'd figure it out a lot sooner.
We had to invent our own tools. Dunno why he was stingy with his. If somoene didn't return it he could just send them to hell. Plus they were only stanley, not like it was his craftsman tools with the eternity warranty. We just wanted the Stanley meng.

[bluefete]

bluefete, ok, take win. take heaps of win.


@ dry ...ENT!?

Yuh see Razkal, yuh really laffing at me??? Ent is science that said so??

[bluefete]

You see the Bible clearly states that life started in the ocean but it took scientists 2,000 years to verify it. HAH!!!!!!

If he left his planet building tools around we'd figure it out a lot sooner.
We had to invent our own tools. Dunno why he was stingy with his. If somoene didn't return it he could just send them to hell. Plus they were only stanley, not like it was his craftsman tools with the eternity warranty. We just wanted the Stanley meng.

But the tools were always there lying around. It has just taken us this long to find them.

We forget that we are not that great in the scheme of things. No matter how great we think we are, we will ALL die eventually and someone else takes our places.

[X2]

You see the Bible clearly states that life started in the ocean but it took scientists 2,000 years to verify it. HAH!!!!!!

If he left his planet building tools around we'd figure it out a lot sooner.
We had to invent our own tools. Dunno why he was stingy with his. If somoene didn't return it he could just send them to hell. Plus they were only stanley, not like it was his craftsman tools with the eternity warranty. We just wanted the Stanley meng.

God made man in his image.... SO if God can make stuff... so can we.

Why the war between science and God ? Science is God's gift to us so we can exercise our brains...... and then destroy ourselves.

[Sky]

It's just a healthy discussion. Just that someone didn't play by the rules until page 21.

[MG Man]

god is imaginary
kinda like Mr Snuffleupagus..........except when they realized he was real he just became dull and annoying

[Firewall]

i just curious as to how you would explain the statue of Mary crying blood, or even the worldwide phenomena of the statues of Lord Ganesh drinking milk (think it was in 2005)

[Humes]

My comment now - This article fully supports the following:

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good." (Genesis 1:20-21)

Note that the winged birds of the air were made AFTER life started in the oceans. All this happened on the 5th day of creation. Whether it represents 5 or 5,000 or 5 billion years, I do not know.

You see the Bible clearly states that life started in the ocean but it took scientists 2,000 years to verify it. HAH!!!!!!

bluefete, that's a stretch of interpretation, of logic, and it also clashes with the other scientific knowledge that we have about the development of life.

Interpretation-wise, the sentence does not state that God made sea creatures first and flying creatures after. It states that he made sea creatures and flying creatures during that period. Not one after the other.

Secondly, the article makes it clear that the sea life was around before air was fit to breathe. So...what exactly were those "great whales" breathing?

The "poisonous smog of methane, ammonia and other toxic gases"?

More importantly, scientific and archaeological research shows us that flying creatures did not appear before creatures who walked on land. Yet, according to what you're showing us here, the flying creatures appeared before the land creatures, who showed up on the sixth day of creation. So the Bible left out some crucial information in those verses, or got the build order wrong.


Did you think this through before posting it triumphantly?

[Humes]

At this point, someone usually says something like, "Well at least the Bible has the general theme correct."

I admit I find some merit in that argument. But I also find it emphasizes something I posted earlier. When it comes to knowledge, especially knowledge that supposedly determines the fate of something as conceptually valuable as a soul, I doh want something that "kinda correct" or "can be seen as kinda correct". I doh want to hope the authors got it right...especially when they claim their words are divine and infallible.

Science doesn't claim infallibility in its discoveries and theories, but at least the process is transparent and open to all. When a man comes to a conclusion, I know there are millions of others verifying it, and that I self can verify it and see how he came to that conclusion in the first place.

I find that system superior to unconditionally accepting the words of unknown authors whose process was subjective and whose findings aren't verifiable...yet who claim infallibility.

Outside with those. But that's just my opinion.

[DTAC]

Unfortunately for people like bluefete, this thread could run to a thousand pages and he'll never be swayed. The Bible was constructed to have an answer for everything through stated "fact" or through interpretation. Every time there is a new scientific discovery, the Bible is reinterpreted to fit with the new proof. And the Bible of today that he is so quick to quote was changed multiple times by men to suit their purpose. I hope he realises that the Bible of today is not exactly the same as when it was collectively written.....

bluefete, the young lady's name was Regan MacNeil, right? I've read about that exorcism as well.

Humes & Duane: Thanks but no thanks. That was not the lady's name.

I was quite young at the time but remember reading about it in a book. It was a psychological/psychiatric study and what made it interesting was that everyday a different "character" would manifest.....

That woman wouldn't be Chris Costner-Sizemore would it?

[Gladiator]

bluefete wrote:



You see the Bible clearly states that life started in the ocean but it took scientists 2,000 years to verify it. HAH!!!!!!

The hindu vedas states this also and was written 5000 years before the bible....

The Bible is one of the biggest lies ever put down... who wrote it the same corrupt jews and romans who hated christianty and all to do with it and even killed your jesus

What makes you think they wrote it or edited it NOT to control man which is wha they have been doing for the past 2000 yrs by making you people worship their blue eyed blond hair god

people here should watch the documentry Zeitgeist which explains the reiteration of religion, its source based on astrology and how its copied from one time to another and from one culture to another...

Time to evolve people!!!! free yourself from the greatest form of slavery... mental slavery.

[SR]

Science is God's gift to us so we can excerise our brains...... and then destroy ourselves.

now thats worthy sig material

[bluefete]

Unfortunately for people like bluefete, this thread could run to a thousand pages and he'll never be swayed. The Bible was constructed to have an answer for everything through stated "fact" or through interpretation. Every time there is a new scientific discovery, the Bible is reinterpreted to fit with the new proof. And the Bible of today that he is so quick to quote was changed multiple times by men to suit their purpose. I hope he realises that the Bible of today is not exactly the same as when it was collectively written.....

bluefete, the young lady's name was Regan MacNeil, right? I've read about that exorcism as well.

Humes & Duane: Thanks but no thanks. That was not the lady's name.

I was quite young at the time but remember reading about it in a book. It was a psychological/psychiatric study and what made it interesting was that everyday a different "character" would manifest.....

That woman wouldn't be Chris Costner-Sizemore would it?

DTAC: Thank you. That is the person.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/h ... 961351.stm


Now with respect to your other comment. The Bible is never re-interpreted to fit anything. It is all there but not in the scientific language of today. If you were to see or dream of a technology that does not exist in your time, the only way you can describe it is to use the language of your time.

God came before Science!!!!!!! Science can only prove what God created.

[bluefete]

i just curious as to how you would explain the statue of Mary crying blood, or even the worldwide phenomena of the statues of Lord Ganesh drinking milk (think it was in 2005)

The Second Commandment reads:

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. (Exodus 20:4-6)

Let that fall wherever it may.

[bluefete]

My comment now - This article fully supports the following:

"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good." (Genesis 1:20-21)

Note that the winged birds of the air were made AFTER life started in the oceans. All this happened on the 5th day of creation. Whether it represents 5 or 5,000 or 5 billion years, I do not know.

You see the Bible clearly states that life started in the ocean but it took scientists 2,000 years to verify it. HAH!!!!!!

bluefete, that's a stretch of interpretation, of logic, and it also clashes with the other scientific knowledge that we have about the development of life.

Interpretation-wise, the sentence does not state that God made sea creatures first and flying creatures after. It states that he made sea creatures and flying creatures during that period. Not one after the other.

Secondly, the article makes it clear that the sea life was around before air was fit to breathe. So...what exactly were those "great whales" breathing?

The "poisonous smog of methane, ammonia and other toxic gases"?

More importantly, scientific and archaeological research shows us that flying creatures did not appear before creatures who walked on land. Yet, according to what you're showing us here, the flying creatures appeared before the land creatures, who showed up on the sixth day of creation. So the Bible left out some crucial information in those verses, or got the build order wrong.


Did you think this through before posting it triumphantly?

Humes: I really, really like your rationalisations. So, is it possible for science to get it wrong?

It is stated that rain did not fall on the earth until the Great Flood. Prior to that "mist" provided the water needed but there were seas and rivers.

Do you think that one day science will be able to prove this? Again, science proves after the fact. God shows before the fact.

[bluefete]

bluefete wrote:



You see the Bible clearly states that life started in the ocean but it took scientists 2,000 years to verify it. HAH!!!!!!

The hindu vedas states this also and was written 5000 years before the bible....

The Bible is one of the biggest lies ever put down... who wrote it the same corrupt jews and romans who hated christianty and all to do with it and even killed your jesus

What makes you think they wrote it or edited it NOT to control man which is wha they have been doing for the past 2000 yrs by making you people worship their blue eyed blond hair god

people here should watch the documentry Zeitgeist which explains the reiteration of religion, its source based on astrology and how its copied from one time to another and from one culture to another...

Time to evolve people!!!! free yourself from the greatest form of slavery... mental slavery.

Errrrrmmmm, Gladiator: I do not know where you got the concept that jesus was blond & blue eyed. Have you ever seen the statues of Madonna & Child in Spain?

So, if the Hindu Vedas & the Bible & the Qu'ran all state that life began in the Oceans, how is it that science is only now able to provide proof? There are common threads that run through all of these books.

Maybe if scientists spent less time trying to discredit God and more time trying to work in harmony with him, they would be more advanced.

An experiment was done several years ago in the US Navy training academy in Anapolis, Maryland. A class was told to build model ships which were to be used in a "storm" experiment.

One group decided to build their model based on Noah's Ark using the instructions given in the Bible.

No medals will be given out if you guess which team won and why.

[slimshiney]

FAITH and LOGIC cya work....allyuh stop it now nah.... .....

[bluefete]

:? FAITH and LOGIC cya work....allyuh stop it now nah.... .....

Yes, they can. Ironically at least one side is trying to prove it while the other is trying to disprove it.

[jjcp]

so was Jesus, God in flesh???

[Skanky]

I can't believe all the posters who using logic in their debate still find it sensible to respond to bluefete.

[illumin@ti]

I can't believe all the posters who using logic in their debate still find it sensible to respond to bluefete.

yet more sig material

[bluefete]

What is "sig material?"

Is it like a quote you borrow?

[RBphoto]

You know it is amazing how God is working through this thread. Even as we debate, he is throwing things out (realtime) in the natural world for us to see evidence of his existence.

THIS IS THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF THAT YOU DOUBTERS WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now Humes, MGMan, Razkal & Company, this did not come from the Bible BUT it SUPPORTS the Bible's brief outline of the creation of life.


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yup... fits like a glove

Take 10!!

[bluefete]

You know it is amazing how God is working through this thread. Even as we debate, he is throwing things out (realtime) in the natural world for us to see evidence of his existence.

THIS IS THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF THAT YOU DOUBTERS WANTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now Humes, MGMan, Razkal & Company, this did not come from the Bible BUT it SUPPORTS the Bible's brief outline of the creation of life.


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yup... fits like a glove

Take 10!!

I Love it too.

[Humes]

Not yet, nuh...not yet.

[Humes]

Maybe if scientists spent less time trying to discredit God and more time trying to work in harmony with him, they would be more advanced.

Scientists don't spend time trying to discredit God. Scientists spend time trying to figure out how the world works.

If anything's discrediting God, it's reality.


But let me challenge the rhetoric: Give me a few examples of how scientific research could be advanced if scientists worked "in harmony" with God.

In fact, tell me how exactly scientists could work "in harmony" with God.

An experiment was done several years ago

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No medals will be given out if you guess which team won and why.

I'll give you a medal if you present evidence that this really happened.

[bigga514]

yup definite proof im gonna go baptize sunday.












But in the mean while, adam and eve and let there be light and all that where that fits in exactly, especially considering Homo Habilis the first Homo (human) was about 2.5 million years ago vs. T.rex a relatively "young" dino species is over 65 million years old.

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