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To build.Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:adnj wrote:What I find interesting is to ask the question, "Had there been no hostages taken, would the assault on Gaza been so severe?"
Who knows but any excuse is an excuse
sMASH wrote:Palestine going dark... As the bombing ramps up IMG_20240521_110658.jpgIMG_20240521_110625.jpgIMG_20240521_110547.jpg
sMASH wrote:Palestine going dark... As the bombing ramps up IMG_20240521_110658.jpgIMG_20240521_110625.jpgIMG_20240521_110547.jpg
Stick to PNM & Porn nahHabit7 wrote:
adnj wrote:Egypt changed terms of Gaza ceasefire deal presented to Hamas, surprising negotiators, sources say
Egyptian intelligence quietly changed the terms of a ceasefire proposal that Israel had already signed off on earlier this month, ultimately scuttling a deal that could have released Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners, and set a pathway to temporarily end the fighting in Gaza, according to three people familiar with the discussions.
The ceasefire agreement that Hamas ended up announcing on May 6 was not what the Qataris or the Americans believed had been submitted to Hamas for a potential final review, the sources said.
The changes made by Egyptian intelligence, the details of which have not been previously reported, led to a wave of anger and recrimination among officials from the US, Qatar and Israel, and left ceasefire talks at an impasse.
“We were all duped,” one of those sources told CNN.
CIA Director Bill Burns, who has spearheaded the American efforts to broker a ceasefire agreement, was in the region when word reached him that the Egyptians had changed the terms of the deal. Burns was angry and embarrassed, the same person said, believing it made him look like he wasn’t in the loop or hadn’t informed the Israelis of the changes.
The soft-spoken and mild-mannered Burns “almost blew a gasket,” said the source.
A CIA spokesperson declined to comment.
The three sources familiar with the matter told CNN that a senior Egyptian intelligence official named Ahmed Abdel Khalek was responsible for making the changes. Abdel Khalek is a senior deputy to the Egyptian intelligence chief Abbas Kamel, who has been Burns’ counterpart in leading Egypt’s mediation in the ceasefire talks. ...
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/21/poli ... index.html
There was never any Hamasadnj wrote:Fewer than 300 IDF soldiers killed in Gaza. What's Hamas doing other than hiding?
That is why yoav gallant saying he pulling out all his troops?adnj wrote:Fewer than 300 IDF soldiers killed in Gaza. What's Hamas doing other than hiding?
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:adnj wrote:Egypt changed terms of Gaza ceasefire deal presented to Hamas, surprising negotiators, sources say
Egyptian intelligence quietly changed the terms of a ceasefire proposal that Israel had already signed off on earlier this month, ultimately scuttling a deal that could have released Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners, and set a pathway to temporarily end the fighting in Gaza, according to three people familiar with the discussions.
The ceasefire agreement that Hamas ended up announcing on May 6 was not what the Qataris or the Americans believed had been submitted to Hamas for a potential final review, the sources said.
The changes made by Egyptian intelligence, the details of which have not been previously reported, led to a wave of anger and recrimination among officials from the US, Qatar and Israel, and left ceasefire talks at an impasse.
“We were all duped,” one of those sources told CNN.
CIA Director Bill Burns, who has spearheaded the American efforts to broker a ceasefire agreement, was in the region when word reached him that the Egyptians had changed the terms of the deal. Burns was angry and embarrassed, the same person said, believing it made him look like he wasn’t in the loop or hadn’t informed the Israelis of the changes.
The soft-spoken and mild-mannered Burns “almost blew a gasket,” said the source.
A CIA spokesperson declined to comment.
The three sources familiar with the matter told CNN that a senior Egyptian intelligence official named Ahmed Abdel Khalek was responsible for making the changes. Abdel Khalek is a senior deputy to the Egyptian intelligence chief Abbas Kamel, who has been Burns’ counterpart in leading Egypt’s mediation in the ceasefire talks. ...
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/21/poli ... index.html
What was Khalek thinking?
From the same article:
"After the Egyptians came back from Israel and conferred with Hamas, it became clear the group wouldn’t go along with what Israel was agreeing to, one of the sources said. So the Egyptian official made significant changes to get Hamas to agree.
“Several alternatives and scenarios were proposed to overcome the main point of contention related to ending the war,” said the source.
If talks resume, it’s expected that the Qataris would play a bigger role in the next round, the second source familiar with the negotiations said. A re-launch of the negotiations does not appear imminent but if it were to happen Egypt would still be expected to be central given their essential proximity to Hamas, as well as Israel’s preference of Egypt to Qatar."
“All sides were under the assumption the Egyptians provided the same document” that Israel had signed off on and the other mediators, the US and Qatar, were aware of, the person said.
Instead, the second source said, the Egyptians sought to blur the lines between the original framework and Hamas’s response.
Just think , not one hamas found .sMASH wrote:Hamas has entered the high schools now...
Hamas may be hiding in gaza, but is spreading around the world.
Justice to the oppressors!
adnj wrote:When "Keepin' it Real goes wrong":
Drone war continues in southern Lebanon, Burkan missiles target Israeli sites
Hezbollah mourned two of its members on Wednesday, the 228th day of confrontations between the group and the Israeli army in southern Lebanon. The total number of Hezbollah fatalities, along with its affiliated medics and members of its ally, the Anal Movement, has reached 330.
Confrontations continued between the two sides through airstrikes, with both sides employing combat drones in addition to conventional warfare methods.
The two Hezbollah members were killed on Tuesday night in an airstrike by an Israeli drone that targeted the town of Odaisseh; Mohammed Ali Bou Taam (born in 2000) from the town of Taybeh in southern Lebanon, and Ali Hassan Sultan (born in 1991) from the town of Souaneh in southern Lebanon.
Hezbollah targeted several Israeli military sites, including the Ramim barracks, with Burkan missiles, and the Al-Sadah site, and said in a statement that it “directly hit it with artillery shells.”
https://www.arabnews.com/node/2515091/middle-east
Neither hostages.zoom rader wrote:Just think , not one hamas found .sMASH wrote:Hamas has entered the high schools now...
Hamas may be hiding in gaza, but is spreading around the world.
Justice to the oppressors!
Yesterday several Twittter Israeli news sources have said that a ground campaign into South Lebanon is planned by the IDF for September.
Was supposed to be later on but has been pulled up.
Inevitably Beirut would probably be targeted as well given the entrenchment of Hesbollah there as well.
mkhitaryan888 wrote:Yesterday several Twittter Israeli news sources have said that a ground campaign into South Lebanon is planned by the IDF for September.
Was supposed to be later on but has been pulled up.
Inevitably Beirut would probably be targeted as well given the entrenchment of Hesbollah there as well.
Saw the news back in february, would be a big mistake. Iran wont sit back.
I still awaiting the proof on Rapes and killing of babies.sMASH wrote:Neither hostages.zoom rader wrote:Just think , not one hamas found .sMASH wrote:Hamas has entered the high schools now...
Hamas may be hiding in gaza, but is spreading around the world.
Justice to the oppressors!
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