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adnj wrote:
You celebrating the idea of Israel burning an *American* aid pier?matr1x wrote:adnj wrote:
Ohhhhhh
More kindling for Israel to burn. Nice
ed360123 wrote:You celebrating the idea of Israel burning an *American* aid pier?matr1x wrote:adnj wrote:
Ohhhhhh
More kindling for Israel to burn. Nice
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:adnj wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:adnj wrote:What I find interesting is to ask the question, "Had there been no hostages taken, would the assault on Gaza been so severe?"
Who knows but any excuse is an excuse
Those excuses have provided political cover for Palestinian leadership to remain in power with few elections, for 60 years. Those excuses have enabled Israel to take control of Jerusalem and grow recognized Israeli territory by two-thirds over the last 70 years. Those excuses have allowed for one of the smallest countries in the world to have outsized influence in international relations.
The common man will simply continue to be incensed and disturbed by the illustrations in the book without reading any of the words - and argue about how others lack "critical thinking skills." Because outrage is their excuse.
What about the Israeli gov't treatment of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank?
sMASH wrote:God bless hamas, God bless hesbolah, God bless Ansar Allah, God bless Iran. Thats how u resist occupation
sMASH wrote:Palestinian authority is the Palestinian arm of Israel.
Merely a puppet govt.
They are in control of west bank and there is always brutalized by Isreal. All the lands are confiscated. Even now they passed program to settle hundreds of acres of west bank territory, against un charters.
Palestinian authority shrugs and says 'meh'.
God bless hamas, God bless hesbolah, God bless Ansar Allah, God bless Iran. Thats how u resist occupation
Goyim, The Hebrews were in bondage for 400 years in Egypt. And made to wander for 40 years after escape.matr1x wrote:sMASH wrote:Palestinian authority is the Palestinian arm of Israel.
Merely a puppet govt.
They are in control of west bank and there is always brutalized by Isreal. All the lands are confiscated. Even now they passed program to settle hundreds of acres of west bank territory, against un charters.
Palestinian authority shrugs and says 'meh'.
God bless hamas, God bless hesbolah, God bless Ansar Allah, God bless Iran. Thats how u resist occupation
God seems to be unable to stop the IDF
sMASH wrote:That camp David deal was the same conditions as we see in the west bank today.Dizzy28 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:adnj wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:adnj wrote:What I find interesting is to ask the question, "Had there been no hostages taken, would the assault on Gaza been so severe?"
Who knows but any excuse is an excuse
Those excuses have provided political cover for Palestinian leadership to remain in power with few elections, for 60 years. Those excuses have enabled Israel to take control of Jerusalem and grow recognized Israeli territory by two-thirds over the last 70 years. Those excuses have allowed for one of the smallest countries in the world to have outsized influence in international relations.
The common man will simply continue to be incensed and disturbed by the illustrations in the book without reading any of the words - and argue about how others lack "critical thinking skills." Because outrage is their excuse.
What about the Israeli gov't treatment of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank?
So far it doesn't seem at least in Gaza that HAMAS treats the people any better than Isael does.
There's that whataboutism again
The people didn't revolt against their treatment by Hamas or the PA, they revolt against their treatment by the Israelis.
Why are 7000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons and only judged by military court instead of civil as Israelis are?
Why the settlements. Why the wall.
It is oppression under occupation.
If Israel treated the Palestinians better than Hamas did then there would be no Hamas
You continue to place no agency with Palestinians
Also I mentioned earlier in here I am pro two state at the 1967 borders and anti settlements in the West Bank. Apart from being land grabs the settlements made Oct 7th possible in no small part due to the deployment of all the regular non war time IDF Brigades to the West Bank to secure settlements.
Can you however point out a time when the Palestinians were willing to accept a two state solution? AFAIK in 2000 Ehud Barak offered essentially 1967 (97% of West Bank and all of Gaza plus East Jerusalem).
Arafat was like nah dawg.........2nd Intifada here we come!!!!!
https://time.com/6332127/israel-palesti ... hud-barak/
Clinton was outraged at ArafatArafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe." A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3
Walls and military occupation are the result of no compromise. Can you name a better way to protect your people from assymetric warfare?
Which is just a slower version of invading and occupying a country
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ do you mean living under Israeli occupation?sMASH wrote:That camp David deal was the same conditions as we see in the west bank today.Dizzy28 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:adnj wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Who knows but any excuse is an excuse
Those excuses have provided political cover for Palestinian leadership to remain in power with few elections, for 60 years. Those excuses have enabled Israel to take control of Jerusalem and grow recognized Israeli territory by two-thirds over the last 70 years. Those excuses have allowed for one of the smallest countries in the world to have outsized influence in international relations.
The common man will simply continue to be incensed and disturbed by the illustrations in the book without reading any of the words - and argue about how others lack "critical thinking skills." Because outrage is their excuse.
What about the Israeli gov't treatment of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank?
So far it doesn't seem at least in Gaza that HAMAS treats the people any better than Isael does.
There's that whataboutism again
The people didn't revolt against their treatment by Hamas or the PA, they revolt against their treatment by the Israelis.
Why are 7000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons and only judged by military court instead of civil as Israelis are?
Why the settlements. Why the wall.
It is oppression under occupation.
If Israel treated the Palestinians better than Hamas did then there would be no Hamas
You continue to place no agency with Palestinians
Also I mentioned earlier in here I am pro two state at the 1967 borders and anti settlements in the West Bank. Apart from being land grabs the settlements made Oct 7th possible in no small part due to the deployment of all the regular non war time IDF Brigades to the West Bank to secure settlements.
Can you however point out a time when the Palestinians were willing to accept a two state solution? AFAIK in 2000 Ehud Barak offered essentially 1967 (97% of West Bank and all of Gaza plus East Jerusalem).
Arafat was like nah dawg.........2nd Intifada here we come!!!!!
https://time.com/6332127/israel-palesti ... hud-barak/
Clinton was outraged at ArafatArafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe." A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3
Walls and military occupation are the result of no compromise. Can you name a better way to protect your people from assymetric warfare?
Which is just a slower version of invading and occupying a country
I have some reading to do to see if what he is saying is true - though it's probably an over simplification of what took place
adnj wrote:This is how you resist despotism.
Rasoulof said Monday he had fled Iran after a court sentenced him to eight years in jail, of which five were due to be served, over his new film "The Seed of the Sacred Fig".
The leading Iranian film-maker, often a target of the country's authorities, told the Guardian in an interview published Friday that he had found shelter in Germany and was hopeful he could attend the film's Cannes premiere next week.
The film tells the story of a judge's struggles amid political unrest in Tehran.
Rasoulof told the UK newspaper that he had "no choice" but to leave, although he expects to return home "quite soon".
"My mission is to be able to convey the narratives of what is going on in Iran and the situation in which we are stuck as Iranians," said Rasoulof.
"This is something that I cannot do in prison.
"I have in mind the idea that I'll be back quite soon, but I think that's the case of all the Iranians who have left the country," he added.
Rasoulof has already served two terms in Iranian jails over previous films and had his passport withdrawn in 2017. ...
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 ... t-guardian
Damn....Dizzy28 wrote:Several off those alternative Twitter news sites saying he's dead
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There was an episode on homeland tv series that had the same scenario on a helicopter crash.VexXx Dogg wrote:That raises eyebrows and questions.
Think it was an op under the cover of weather?
There’s been rumblings of calls for a regime change going back a couple years.
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