What's going on in the Middle East?

[sMASH]

Generally people don't like genocide, and can see it when it happens...

[matr1x]

They are wasting a perfectly good education

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Student activism is as old as the University system itself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_activism

11 Student Protests That Changed The World
https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issu ... the-world/

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What I find interesting is to ask the question, "Had there been no hostages taken, would the assault on Gaza been so severe?"

Who knows but any excuse is an excuse

Those excuses have provided political cover for Palestinian leadership to remain in power with few elections, for 60 years. Those excuses have enabled Israel to take control of Jerusalem and grow recognized Israeli territory by two-thirds over the last 70 years. Those excuses have allowed for one of the smallest countries in the world to have outsized influence in international relations.

The common man will simply continue to be incensed and disturbed by the illustrations in the book without reading any of the words - and argue about how others lack "critical thinking skills." Because outrage is their excuse.

[sMASH]

The book said 3000 years ago....

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

What I find interesting is to ask the question, "Had there been no hostages taken, would the assault on Gaza been so severe?"

Who knows but any excuse is an excuse

Those excuses have provided political cover for Palestinian leadership to remain in power with few elections, for 60 years. Those excuses have enabled Israel to take control of Jerusalem and grow recognized Israeli territory by two-thirds over the last 70 years. Those excuses have allowed for one of the smallest countries in the world to have outsized influence in international relations.

The common man will simply continue to be incensed and disturbed by the illustrations in the book without reading any of the words - and argue about how others lack "critical thinking skills." Because outrage is their excuse.

What about the Israeli gov't treatment of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank?

[Dizzy28]

What I find interesting is to ask the question, "Had there been no hostages taken, would the assault on Gaza been so severe?"

Who knows but any excuse is an excuse

Those excuses have provided political cover for Palestinian leadership to remain in power with few elections, for 60 years. Those excuses have enabled Israel to take control of Jerusalem and grow recognized Israeli territory by two-thirds over the last 70 years. Those excuses have allowed for one of the smallest countries in the world to have outsized influence in international relations.

The common man will simply continue to be incensed and disturbed by the illustrations in the book without reading any of the words - and argue about how others lack "critical thinking skills." Because outrage is their excuse.

What about the Israeli gov't treatment of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank?

So far it doesn't seem at least in Gaza that HAMAS treats the people any better than Isael does.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

What I find interesting is to ask the question, "Had there been no hostages taken, would the assault on Gaza been so severe?"

Who knows but any excuse is an excuse

Those excuses have provided political cover for Palestinian leadership to remain in power with few elections, for 60 years. Those excuses have enabled Israel to take control of Jerusalem and grow recognized Israeli territory by two-thirds over the last 70 years. Those excuses have allowed for one of the smallest countries in the world to have outsized influence in international relations.

The common man will simply continue to be incensed and disturbed by the illustrations in the book without reading any of the words - and argue about how others lack "critical thinking skills." Because outrage is their excuse.

What about the Israeli gov't treatment of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank?

So far it doesn't seem at least in Gaza that HAMAS treats the people any better than Isael does.

There's that whataboutism again
The people didn't revolt against their treatment by Hamas or the PA, they revolt against their treatment by the Israelis.
Why are 7000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons and only judged by military court instead of civil as Israelis are?
Why the settlements. Why the wall.
It is oppression under occupation.

If Israel treated the Palestinians better than Hamas did then there would be no Hamas

[Dizzy28]

The Gazan ppl couldn't revolt against Hamas

The Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar has for years overseen a secret police force in Gaza that conducted surveillance on everyday Palestinians and built files on young people, journalists and those who questioned the government, according to intelligence officials and a trove of internal documents reviewed by The New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/13/worl ... nians.html

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

If Israel treated the Palestinians better than Hamas did then there would be no Hamas

...

[Dizzy28]

What I find interesting is to ask the question, "Had there been no hostages taken, would the assault on Gaza been so severe?"

Who knows but any excuse is an excuse

Those excuses have provided political cover for Palestinian leadership to remain in power with few elections, for 60 years. Those excuses have enabled Israel to take control of Jerusalem and grow recognized Israeli territory by two-thirds over the last 70 years. Those excuses have allowed for one of the smallest countries in the world to have outsized influence in international relations.

The common man will simply continue to be incensed and disturbed by the illustrations in the book without reading any of the words - and argue about how others lack "critical thinking skills." Because outrage is their excuse.

What about the Israeli gov't treatment of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank?

So far it doesn't seem at least in Gaza that HAMAS treats the people any better than Isael does.

There's that whataboutism again
The people didn't revolt against their treatment by Hamas or the PA, they revolt against their treatment by the Israelis.
Why are 7000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons and only judged by military court instead of civil as Israelis are?
Why the settlements. Why the wall.
It is oppression under occupation.

If Israel treated the Palestinians better than Hamas did then there would be no Hamas

You continue to place no agency with Palestinians

Also I mentioned earlier in here I am pro two state at the 1967 borders and anti settlements in the West Bank. Apart from being land grabs the settlements made Oct 7th possible in no small part due to the deployment of all the regular non war time IDF Brigades to the West Bank to secure settlements.

Can you however point out a time when the Palestinians were willing to accept a two state solution? AFAIK in 2000 Ehud Barak offered essentially 1967 (97% of West Bank and all of Gaza plus East Jerusalem).
Arafat was like nah dawg.........2nd Intifada here we come!!!!!
https://time.com/6332127/israel-palesti ... hud-barak/

Clinton was outraged at Arafat

Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe." A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

Walls and military occupation are the result of no compromise. Can you name a better way to protect your people from assymetric warfare?

[sMASH]

If hamas is the terrorist, how come the news isn't plastered with hamas civilian death counts?

[sMASH]

What I find interesting is to ask the question, "Had there been no hostages taken, would the assault on Gaza been so severe?"

Who knows but any excuse is an excuse

Those excuses have provided political cover for Palestinian leadership to remain in power with few elections, for 60 years. Those excuses have enabled Israel to take control of Jerusalem and grow recognized Israeli territory by two-thirds over the last 70 years. Those excuses have allowed for one of the smallest countries in the world to have outsized influence in international relations.

The common man will simply continue to be incensed and disturbed by the illustrations in the book without reading any of the words - and argue about how others lack "critical thinking skills." Because outrage is their excuse.

What about the Israeli gov't treatment of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank?

So far it doesn't seem at least in Gaza that HAMAS treats the people any better than Isael does.

There's that whataboutism again
The people didn't revolt against their treatment by Hamas or the PA, they revolt against their treatment by the Israelis.
Why are 7000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons and only judged by military court instead of civil as Israelis are?
Why the settlements. Why the wall.
It is oppression under occupation.

If Israel treated the Palestinians better than Hamas did then there would be no Hamas

You continue to place no agency with Palestinians

Also I mentioned earlier in here I am pro two state at the 1967 borders and anti settlements in the West Bank. Apart from being land grabs the settlements made Oct 7th possible in no small part due to the deployment of all the regular non war time IDF Brigades to the West Bank to secure settlements.

Can you however point out a time when the Palestinians were willing to accept a two state solution? AFAIK in 2000 Ehud Barak offered essentially 1967 (97% of West Bank and all of Gaza plus East Jerusalem).
Arafat was like nah dawg.........2nd Intifada here we come!!!!!
https://time.com/6332127/israel-palesti ... hud-barak/

Clinton was outraged at Arafat

Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe." A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

Walls and military occupation are the result of no compromise. Can you name a better way to protect your people from assymetric warfare?

That camp David deal was the same conditions as we see in the west bank today.
Which is just a slower version of invading and occupying a country

[matr1x]

This might blow over soon.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

You continue to place no agency with Palestinians

Also I mentioned earlier in here I am pro two state at the 1967 borders and anti settlements in the West Bank. Apart from being land grabs the settlements made Oct 7th possible in no small part due to the deployment of all the regular non war time IDF Brigades to the West Bank to secure settlements.

Can you however point out a time when the Palestinians were willing to accept a two state solution? AFAIK in 2000 Ehud Barak offered essentially 1967 (97% of West Bank and all of Gaza plus East Jerusalem).
Arafat was like nah dawg.........2nd Intifada here we come!!!!!
https://time.com/6332127/israel-palesti ... hud-barak/

Clinton was outraged at Arafat

Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe." A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

I just haven't posted anything on Palestinians.
I agree with you on a two state solution.
Ideally I'd prefer one place where everyone can live in peace but what would they even call it?
Palestinians are being oppressed and they have been retaliating. Even with a two state solution they may still be fighting as it will take generations to remove the hate both sides have for each other.

[Dizzy28]

What I find interesting is to ask the question, "Had there been no hostages taken, would the assault on Gaza been so severe?"

Who knows but any excuse is an excuse

Those excuses have provided political cover for Palestinian leadership to remain in power with few elections, for 60 years. Those excuses have enabled Israel to take control of Jerusalem and grow recognized Israeli territory by two-thirds over the last 70 years. Those excuses have allowed for one of the smallest countries in the world to have outsized influence in international relations.

The common man will simply continue to be incensed and disturbed by the illustrations in the book without reading any of the words - and argue about how others lack "critical thinking skills." Because outrage is their excuse.

What about the Israeli gov't treatment of the Palestinian people in Gaza and the West Bank?

So far it doesn't seem at least in Gaza that HAMAS treats the people any better than Isael does.

There's that whataboutism again
The people didn't revolt against their treatment by Hamas or the PA, they revolt against their treatment by the Israelis.
Why are 7000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons and only judged by military court instead of civil as Israelis are?
Why the settlements. Why the wall.
It is oppression under occupation.

If Israel treated the Palestinians better than Hamas did then there would be no Hamas

You continue to place no agency with Palestinians

Also I mentioned earlier in here I am pro two state at the 1967 borders and anti settlements in the West Bank. Apart from being land grabs the settlements made Oct 7th possible in no small part due to the deployment of all the regular non war time IDF Brigades to the West Bank to secure settlements.

Can you however point out a time when the Palestinians were willing to accept a two state solution? AFAIK in 2000 Ehud Barak offered essentially 1967 (97% of West Bank and all of Gaza plus East Jerusalem).
Arafat was like nah dawg.........2nd Intifada here we come!!!!!
https://time.com/6332127/israel-palesti ... hud-barak/

Clinton was outraged at Arafat

Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe." A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

Walls and military occupation are the result of no compromise. Can you name a better way to protect your people from assymetric warfare?

That camp David deal was the same conditions as we see in the west bank today.
Which is just a slower version of invading and occupying a country

Well continue to cope and seethe, wave your Palestinian flags high and watch as Palestinians die needlessly whilst Israel continues to exist

[Dizzy28]

You continue to place no agency with Palestinians

Also I mentioned earlier in here I am pro two state at the 1967 borders and anti settlements in the West Bank. Apart from being land grabs the settlements made Oct 7th possible in no small part due to the deployment of all the regular non war time IDF Brigades to the West Bank to secure settlements.

Can you however point out a time when the Palestinians were willing to accept a two state solution? AFAIK in 2000 Ehud Barak offered essentially 1967 (97% of West Bank and all of Gaza plus East Jerusalem).
Arafat was like nah dawg.........2nd Intifada here we come!!!!!
https://time.com/6332127/israel-palesti ... hud-barak/

Clinton was outraged at Arafat

Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe." A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

I just haven't posted anything on Palestinians.
I agree with you on a two state solution.
Ideally I'd prefer one place where everyone can live in peace but what would they even call it?
Palestinians are being oppressed and they have been retaliating. Even with a two state solution they may still be fighting as it will take generations to remove the hate both sides have for each other.

The entire conflict hinges on two parties. One cannot be mentioned without the other.
A one state solution is a pipe dream. The surrounding Arab countries are living examples of why one state can never work.

[meccalli]

People like to keep their head in the sand yes.

[matr1x]

People like to keep their head in the sand yes.

That's depressing to watch. Imagine all that money being wasted where could be better spent.

All that to brainwash kids into becoming killers

And the same kind of people facilitating Venezuelans here. My question is, are they growing a force to commit a second coup with the help of the cartels?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

[matr1x]

South Africa is right now a failed state. It's trying virtue signal to deflect attention. It's a joke

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On March 1, 2024, Nicaragua filed a case against Germany at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) for allegedly "facilitating the commission of genocide" against Palestinians through its support of Israel. Nicaragua's 43-page submission to the court argues that Germany's military equipment and defunding of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) violates the 1948 UN Genocide Convention. Nicaragua also claims that Germany's privileged relationship with Israel allows it to influence Israel's conduct.

U.S. imposes sanctions, visa restrictions on Nicaragua over repression and migrant smuggling

Senior administration officials told reporters that the officials subject to visa restrictions included police and paramilitary officials, prosecutors, judges and public higher education officials.

WASHINGTON — The United States on Wednesday imposed visa restrictions on more than 250 members of the Nicaraguan government and levied sanctions on three Nicaraguan entities in retaliation for “repressive actions” and a failure to stem migrant smuggling through the Central American country.

Senior administration officials told reporters that the officials subject to visa restrictions included police and paramilitary officials, prosecutors, judges and public higher education officials.

At the same time, the Departments of State, Homeland Security, and the Treasury issued a joint alert to notify airlines and travel agents about the ways smuggling and human trafficking networks are exploiting legitimate transportation services to facilitate illegal migration to the United States through Nicaragua.

“Actions by the Nicaraguan government are of grave concern. President Daniel Ortega and Vice President Rosario Murillo have put in place permissive-by-design migration policies,” the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement.

The Nicaraguan government did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us- ... rcna152423

[Dizzy28]

Still one of the juiciest tidbits of this entire conflict. The rank hypocrisy of the South Africas, Nicaraguas et al when it comes to using the ICC and ICJ.

No Jews no news!!!!

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[sMASH]

Still need to see the terrorists target aid workers and journalists....

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Still one of the juiciest tidbits of this entire conflict. The rank hypocrisy of the South Africas, Nicaraguas et al when it comes to using the ICC and ICJ.

No Jews no news!!!!

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is this Jews news worthy?

[Dizzy28]

Still one of the juiciest tidbits of this entire conflict. The rank hypocrisy of the South Africas, Nicaraguas et al when it comes to using the ICC and ICJ.

No Jews no news!!!!

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is this Jews news worthy?

I'll check out that later.
Still digesting that the President of RSA kowtowed with the man who is the architect of the Darfur Genocide.

This on top of the abstaining on votes against Syria and disregarding warrants for Putin I may just be all puckered out on giving a damn till Sunday

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[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ while i too think it's hypocrisy on their part, I'll still say that it's a red herring and does not change the facts of the accusations being put forward to the ICC and ICJ regarding the Israel-Palestine conflict.

[matr1x]

Still need to see the terrorists target aid workers and journalists....

Lol, what? You serious about that post?

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