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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby De Dragon » September 7th, 2021, 1:00 pm

Habit7 wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:https://www.stabroeknews.com/2021/09/03/news/regional/trinidad/scandal-deepens-over-ill-fated-natural-gas-deal-in-trinidad/

Ohhh habit

This is old news though, the PM addressed it last Friday. It is being discussed in the Energy thread.

Last Friday is old news? :?
"Addressed it?" By talking MCtery about Train 1 being somehow essential for Trains 2-4? You real gullible for everything LFD RFD PNM !

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby De Dragon » September 7th, 2021, 1:01 pm

Redman wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Being blind won't inhibit me from hearing audio. You claimed Malcolm X said
De Dragon wrote: That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house fella." And that's what we call them today, because we've still got some house afro trini running around here.
Did Malcolm X say the highlighted words?

Dumbarse, in your haste to try to score cheap points you seem to have overlooked that I didn't say/post that. Nice try though, we know at least one eye and wing will go away convinced that I did, determined as they are to see race in everything.


Really?

It's in your post.

Pull a Kamla and blame your social media team for the lie.

Lol

I'll assume you're being sarcastic, unlike your Dumb and Dumber partner Tunts7

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » September 7th, 2021, 1:09 pm

De Dragon wrote:
Redman wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Being blind won't inhibit me from hearing audio. You claimed Malcolm X said
De Dragon wrote: That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house fella." And that's what we call them today, because we've still got some house afro trini running around here.
Did Malcolm X say the highlighted words?

Dumbarse, in your haste to try to score cheap points you seem to have overlooked that I didn't say/post that. Nice try though, we know at least one eye and wing will go away convinced that I did, determined as they are to see race in everything.


Really?

It's in your post.

Pull a Kamla and blame your social media team for the lie.

Lol

I'll assume you're being sarcastic, unlike your Dumb and Dumber partner Tunts7

Be real nah. You are boldface lying in the face of reality. You posted the highlighted words and claimed it as something Malcolm X said now you are doing the most embarrassing backpedal.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby sMASH » September 7th, 2021, 1:10 pm

timelapse wrote:
sMASH wrote:Rowley is an oreo, and men like hinds is house negros.

Man dies walk round with scarf on the golf course and he not an oreo? ...
Lol.
Dip him in some milk and give him to Santa.
Cant do that with Imbert.He will drown in the glass of milk
U wah make dahee...

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby sMASH » September 7th, 2021, 1:15 pm

Habit7 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
Redman wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Being blind won't inhibit me from hearing audio. You claimed Malcolm X said
De Dragon wrote: That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house fella." And that's what we call them today, because we've still got some house afro trini running around here.
Did Malcolm X say the highlighted words?

Dumbarse, in your haste to try to score cheap points you seem to have overlooked that I didn't say/post that. Nice try though, we know at least one eye and wing will go away convinced that I did, determined as they are to see race in everything.


Really?

It's in your post.

Pull a Kamla and blame your social media team for the lie.

Lol

I'll assume you're being sarcastic, unlike your Dumb and Dumber partner Tunts7

Be real nah. You are boldface lying in the face of reality. You posted the highlighted words and claimed it as something Malcolm X said now you are doing the most embarrassing backpedal.
Man don't know bout macolom x. He and mlk Jr were both for afro equality and advancement, but one wanted to work with the white man, and the other wanted a more militant approach. both of them were the inspirations for the marvel characters professor x and magneto.

There are audio recordings of the Malcom x speech.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby zoom rader » September 7th, 2021, 1:40 pm

sMASH wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
Redman wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Being blind won't inhibit me from hearing audio. You claimed Malcolm X said
De Dragon wrote: That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house fella." And that's what we call them today, because we've still got some house afro trini running around here.
Did Malcolm X say the highlighted words?

Dumbarse, in your haste to try to score cheap points you seem to have overlooked that I didn't say/post that. Nice try though, we know at least one eye and wing will go away convinced that I did, determined as they are to see race in everything.


Really?

It's in your post.

Pull a Kamla and blame your social media team for the lie.

Lol

I'll assume you're being sarcastic, unlike your Dumb and Dumber partner Tunts7

Be real nah. You are boldface lying in the face of reality. You posted the highlighted words and claimed it as something Malcolm X said now you are doing the most embarrassing backpedal.
Man don't know bout macolom x. He and mlk Jr were both for afro equality and advancement, but one wanted to work with the white man, and the other wanted a more militant approach. both of them were the inspirations for the marvel characters professor x and magneto.

There are audio recordings of the Malcom x speech.
Jah bless brother Malcolm X

Habit7 and the red government tuners don't support X cause they fit the description of Malcolm X House Negros just as he layed it his speech.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby De Dragon » September 7th, 2021, 2:05 pm

Habit7 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
Redman wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
Habit7 wrote:Being blind won't inhibit me from hearing audio. You claimed Malcolm X said
De Dragon wrote: That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house fella." And that's what we call them today, because we've still got some house afro trini running around here.
Did Malcolm X say the highlighted words?

Dumbarse, in your haste to try to score cheap points you seem to have overlooked that I didn't say/post that. Nice try though, we know at least one eye and wing will go away convinced that I did, determined as they are to see race in everything.


Really?

It's in your post.

Pull a Kamla and blame your social media team for the lie.

Lol

I'll assume you're being sarcastic, unlike your Dumb and Dumber partner Tunts7

Be real nah. You are boldface lying in the face of reality. You posted the highlighted words and claimed it as something Malcolm X said now you are doing the most embarrassing backpedal.

Cyatlal, I didn't say that. My God you too dotish to even figure out how 2NR works!! :lol: :lol:

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » September 7th, 2021, 6:00 pm

Now coming to post that^. Enjoyed every sec

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » September 7th, 2021, 6:07 pm



Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Wraith King » September 8th, 2021, 9:42 am

Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Gladiator » September 8th, 2021, 9:58 am

Wraith King wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.


From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Wraith King » September 8th, 2021, 10:04 am

Gladiator wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.


From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.


I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » September 8th, 2021, 10:19 am

Wraith King wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.


The pnm since inception has infiltrated every state organisation, body, committee, tribunal, whatever it is, it is pnm. This is why we need the privy council. They even have proxy organizations in the private sector, civil society, religious organizations and media. If you want any thing done in this country, you either need a pnm party card or you need to know someone with one. This is why the aforementioned organizations and private citizens are not willing to speak out against the pnm or even respectfully disagree with their decisions, you will be victimized.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » September 8th, 2021, 10:31 am

So for what we are faulting Sinanan? He is visiting a completed repair project. How dare he?

They don't repair the landslide and the rhetoric is that they are ignoring us here in PT.
They repaired the landslip and publicising it just as it was publicised when it happened, "you come for fame."

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby timelapse » September 8th, 2021, 10:34 am

Wraith King wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.


From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.


I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.
Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby zoom rader » September 8th, 2021, 2:22 pm

timelapse wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.


From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.


I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.
Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims
Christian churches are extentions of the red government.

They openly tell members to vote red government against those people that pray to idols. These are their exact words

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » September 8th, 2021, 2:47 pm

zoom rader wrote:
timelapse wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.


From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.


I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.
Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims
Christian churches are extentions of the red government.

They openly tell members to vote red government against those people that pray to idols. These are their exact words


The catholic archbishop is now a chief propoganda officer for the pnm

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby The_Honourable » September 8th, 2021, 3:24 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
timelapse wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.


From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.


I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.
Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims
Christian churches are extentions of the red government.

They openly tell members to vote red government against those people that pray to idols. These are their exact words


The catholic archbishop is now a chief propoganda officer for the pnm


There is some truth to this with politicians and the church. Happens in the US, whenever politicians want to manipulate or get votes from the afro-american population, they go to the pastor first. Rev Jesse Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton are perfect examples. Many underestimate how important that pastor is within the afro population so its not surprising it's being done locally also. Inset hindus and idol worshipping into the mix, you see how fast a pastor can control the church and manipulate towards a particular outcome.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Gladiator » September 8th, 2021, 9:33 pm

timelapse wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.


From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.


I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.
Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims


The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Mmoney607 » September 8th, 2021, 10:51 pm

Gladiator wrote:
timelapse wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.


From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.


I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.
Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims


The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.


Hit the nail on the head

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby timelapse » September 9th, 2021, 6:57 am

Gladiator wrote:
timelapse wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
Wraith King wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:


Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.


The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.


From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.


I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.
Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims


The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.
Careful with those wise words here bro.That kind of truth will get you lynched by Red cult Habit7 and crew.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby De Dragon » September 9th, 2021, 8:10 am

^^ Surprised the LFD RFD PNM Brigade eh reach yet!

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » September 9th, 2021, 9:59 am

Gladiator wrote:The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view.
Just the ones I personally remember...

Karl Hudson-Phillips- former AG, demanded Dr. Williams resign, left PNM, formed ONR and contested 1981 elections and got 2nd highest votes
ANR Robinson- founding PNM member, former Deputy political leader, gave the PNM their worst defeat in 1990
Ralph Maraj- former foreign affairs minister, left PNM joined UNC 1995
Dr Rupert Griffith- left Opposition PNM for UNC Cabinet position in 1997
Wendell Mottley- former finance minister, left PNM and formed own party and got 1% of votes in 2002 elections
Dr Keith Rowley- openly criticised PM Manning handling of UDECOTT in 2008, wide support from his constituency, chosen as political leader in 2010
Dr Denise Tsoi A Fatt Angus- former THA Presiding Officer, went independent in 2021 THA elections, will contest a full slate next THA election.

Gladiator wrote:This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby timelapse » September 9th, 2021, 10:39 am

Exactly the point Habit.Agree with the leadership or GTFO with PNM

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Habit7 » September 9th, 2021, 11:07 am

timelapse wrote:Exactly the point Habit.Agree with the leadership or GTFO with PNM

No, you are shifting the goalposts. A man said "There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role." That is false.

In any organisation if you disagree with the leadership to the most extreme extent, they either submit to you or you have to leave. But even in the most recent history, KCR disagreed privately with the leadership, he was fired from the Cabinet. He then disagreed publicly, internally the PM sensed he was going to be challenged with a vote of no confidence and he called elections early. PNM supporters did not support him enough and he lost. KCR was elected leader and the PNM supporters came back and they won nearly every election since then.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby The_Honourable » September 9th, 2021, 11:16 am

Gladiator wrote:
The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.


Good contribution. The usual suspects will pull a sentence or a paragraph, apply a different meaning to derail, paint a different picture and accuse you of moving goalposts.

We need to remember that the PNM is not afraid of the UNC. What the pnm is deadly afraid off is an afro-trinidadian outside of the pnm rising to power and challenging them. That is why you see venom against afro-trinis that don't tow the pnm line and biblical attacks when one has high potential and decides to challenge the pnm. Eric Williams showed his fear when he banned Kwame Ture from entering the country back in the early 70s during Black Power. ANR Robinson rose to power resulting in the infamous 33-3 in 1986. Jack Warner was in line to pull it off but scandals of his own doing brought him down. Imagine Jack Warner becoming the political leader of the UNC? That would have sent a political shockwave and PNM on defense trying to hold on to their afro-trinidadian base.

We have a long way of becoming enlightened. Politics is about division so even if dynamics change in the future, there will always be a fundamental issue that will divide the population for politicians to take advantage off.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby timelapse » September 9th, 2021, 11:51 am

Habit7 wrote:
timelapse wrote:Exactly the point Habit.Agree with the leadership or GTFO with PNM

No, you are shifting the goalposts. A man said "There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role." That is false.

In any organisation if you disagree with the leadership to the most extreme extent, they either submit to you or you have to leave. But even in the most recent history, KCR disagreed privately with the leadership, he was fired from the Cabinet. He then disagreed publicly, internally the PM sensed he was going to be challenged with a vote of no confidence and he called elections early. PNM supporters did not support him enough and he lost. KCR was elected leader and the PNM supporters came back and they won nearly every election since then.
No goalposts changed.The word internally applies if it stays internal.Once they buss out, it stops being internal. Comprende?

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Ben_spanna » September 9th, 2021, 11:53 am

country is going down and down, everything getting worse.... we are going backwards... our justice system protects the criminals............. and its NOT the current party solely to blame its BOTH of our political parties that have failed over the last 40 years to improve our quality of life.
Regardless of if youre red and ready or The rising sun, face it- both parties have FAILED US Miserably.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby zoom rader » September 9th, 2021, 11:56 am

The_Honourable wrote:
Gladiator wrote:
The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.


Good contribution. The usual suspects will pull a sentence or a paragraph, apply a different meaning to derail, paint a different picture and accuse you of moving goalposts.

We need to remember that the PNM is not afraid of the UNC. What the pnm is deadly afraid off is an afro-trinidadian outside of the pnm rising to power and challenging them. That is why you see venom against afro-trinis that don't tow the pnm line and biblical attacks when one has high potential and decides to challenge the pnm. Eric Williams showed his fear when he banned Kwame Ture from entering the country back in the early 70s during Black Power. ANR Robinson rose to power resulting in the infamous 33-3 in 1986. Jack Warner was in line to pull it off but scandals of his own doing brought him down. Imagine Jack Warner becoming the political leader of the UNC? That would have sent a political shockwave and PNM on defense trying to hold on to their afro-trinidadian base.

We have a long way of becoming enlightened. Politics is about division so even if dynamics change in the future, there will always be a fundamental issue that will divide the population for politicians to take advantage off.
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