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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby alfa » August 11th, 2020, 11:42 am

Kewell35 wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:Vasant as Leader, GG and Mikela. That slate winning any election.


They would do much better if Mikela wasn't there.
Could they possibly bring back Jack Warner?

Jack was charged in the US which the pnm go use against him. Mikela has an alcoholic vibes which they will promote as had being a junior kamla and GG well he to petty and hot headed to be prime minister. As cop or in Hollywood he will succeed. That leaves vasant who might be a lil too stush for the grass Roots. But I feel either he or jerlean could work

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Postby Dohplaydat » August 11th, 2020, 11:45 am

alfa wrote:
Kewell35 wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:Vasant as Leader, GG and Mikela. That slate winning any election.


They would do much better if Mikela wasn't there.
Could they possibly bring back Jack Warner?

Jack was charged in the US which the pnm go use against him. Mikela has an alcoholic vibes which they will promote as had being a junior kamla and GG well he to petty and hot headed to be prime minister. As cop or in Hollywood he will succeed. That leaves vasant who might be a lil too stush for the grass Roots. But I feel either he or jerlean could work


The problem is no party will ever be clean. If Jack and Bas want this it will happen. Vasant, Kevin and Fazal are Bas loyalist.

Also Vasant or UNC 3.0 do not need to appeal to grassroots to win, that is the exact reason UNC lost because now grassroot 'indo' support is a thing of the past. COP and PP showed that. UNC safe seats will only get safer with a team like this.

Hell they could even pull in Philip as I do feel sorry for the man now.

I'm a big fan of Jerlene but she and Roodal are intertwined. They need Roodal to be charged so that they can drop him but keep Jerlene.

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby Kewell35 » August 11th, 2020, 11:48 am

What about a Jack and Vasant partnership like the old days?

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby zoom rader » August 11th, 2020, 11:48 am

Dohplaydat wrote:
alfa wrote:
Kewell35 wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:Vasant as Leader, GG and Mikela. That slate winning any election.


They would do much better if Mikela wasn't there.
Could they possibly bring back Jack Warner?

Jack was charged in the US which the pnm go use against him. Mikela has an alcoholic vibes which they will promote as had being a junior kamla and GG well he to petty and hot headed to be prime minister. As cop or in Hollywood he will succeed. That leaves vasant who might be a lil too stush for the grass Roots. But I feel either he or jerlean could work


The problem is no party will ever be clean. If Jack and Bas want this it will happen. Vasant, Kevin and Fazal are Bas loyalist.

I'm a big fan of Jerlene but she and Roodal are intertwined. They need Roodal to be charged so that they can drop him but keep Jerlene.
PNM is a clean party, that's why their ppl voted for them

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Postby K74T » August 11th, 2020, 11:49 am

zoom rader wrote:Best change this to UNC 3.0
UNC R3L0AD3D when Kams goes.

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby aaron17 » August 11th, 2020, 12:08 pm

zoom rader wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:
alfa wrote:
Kewell35 wrote:
Dohplaydat wrote:Vasant as Leader, GG and Mikela. That slate winning any election.


They would do much better if Mikela wasn't there.
Could they possibly bring back Jack Warner?

Jack was charged in the US which the pnm go use against him. Mikela has an alcoholic vibes which they will promote as had being a junior kamla and GG well he to petty and hot headed to be prime minister. As cop or in Hollywood he will succeed. That leaves vasant who might be a lil too stush for the grass Roots. But I feel either he or jerlean could work


The problem is no party will ever be clean. If Jack and Bas want this it will happen. Vasant, Kevin and Fazal are Bas loyalist.

I'm a big fan of Jerlene but she and Roodal are intertwined. They need Roodal to be charged so that they can drop him but keep Jerlene.
PNM is a clean party, that's why their ppl voted for them


Nobody is perfect..clean is like God status.

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Postby matr1x » August 11th, 2020, 12:30 pm

Pnm drained the treasury 3 times already. They do their corruption in skilled ways

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby greggle71 » August 11th, 2020, 1:15 pm

I find the approach this election by the UNC very interesting

Did KPB sacrifice this election to set up her party success for 2025 election for the next 10 years thereafter?

Apart from Moonilal, she has literally exiled most of the old guard and brought in new and young people, giving them 5 years to orient, shadow and prepare for government. The Saddam’s and Khadijah’s already have some experience in the house and now they are elected members

This really is no time to be in government in honesty. The incoming administration will continue to impose austerity to keep things afloat. It may be necessary but it definitely will be unpopular with the electorate, regardless of the outcome the place will be ripe for change come 2025

For this to really work she needs to remain as Opposition and Political leader till about mid term then hold internal elections but will have to formally endorse her successor. As much KPB is shaky at the National level she is still extremely popular with the base (she polls extremely well in her constituency) and will need to clear a path for whoever is her chosen one. She will have to ensure the recycled old guard remains exiled during the process. The New political leader and leader of the opposition It should come from batch of UNC MPs in the house at the time and then be given the space to build his/her own national profile.

I actually believe the UNC does not need to coalesce with other parties to win elections, they simply need to present themselves as a party with sound leadership and good and realistic policy positions both of which if we are being honest, have been a challenge and a barrier to winning office outright in the past.

Both parties require some level of cross appeal to win office. That cross appeal is a mix of likeability and trust that you won’t wreck the place. I think The PNM retained office in 2020 more on the trust (real or perceived) that they won’t sink the economy more than likeability. Dr Rowley’s personality doesn’t necessarily exude likeability but the non aligned voter at least views him as serious enough to trust he won’t make poor short and long term decisions. KPB won in 2010 on a wave of likeability but it faded over her term.

It may not be as far fetched as one would think, PNM actually will be faced with a similar transition albeit with different dynamics involved. 2025 shaping up interestingly

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby eliteauto » August 11th, 2020, 1:34 pm

5 weeks is a long time in Gov't yet ppl pontificating on 5 years from now?

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Postby zoom rader » August 11th, 2020, 1:36 pm

eliteauto wrote:5 weeks is a long time in Gov't yet ppl pontificating on 5 years from now?
But your soon to be PNM prime minister say hard times ahead

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby MaxPower » August 11th, 2020, 4:51 pm

maj. tom wrote:
MaxPower wrote:I was always a UNC,

I like my UNC.

However, the UNC leader, not the party on the whole, the UNC leader has failed me with her lack of leadership.

The PNM is my party now, and i voted for them.

Great is the PNM? Not really, The PNM is not great, there are many things i do not like, but it was the better of the two.

Give me a good leader, a better leader and the UNC has my vote.



^That was the rock and the hard place that most voters had to decide yesterday. And they picked their poison to live with. There are conspiracy theories that Kamla lost on purpose, but i don't support that.

I think also that the population has intense scrutiny and higher standards and morals for any party opposing the traditional PNM vote. The people thought this was the case in 2010 but were eventually let down badly with the corruption. That is why they couldn't vote for the same thing again yesterday. Like you can always see the blatant hypocrisy when it comes to comparing the two parties because they both do the same rank corruption and nonsense, yet the default vote is always PNM and the population has some kind of "Stockholm Syndrome" when it comes to calling out the PNM's dirty deeds.

Knowing this should make other contesting parties up their game and decide to be better than the PNM and their mudslinging and eternal corruption and drain on our country since before Independence. This is a call that we should and can do better for our country. Just stand up on the integrity and morality that people want and they'll vote for it. Sustain it, model it properly like after the Honorable Members in Westminster or the Parliament in Ottawa, and the people will notice and our democracy will progress. The people do want change. A party just has to honestly offer it to them with no crossed-fingers behind their backs. The reality of politics isn't that naive, i know. But i think we can come close to it because there are leaders in the world to model this change upon.


Hello maj.tom,

Words just cannot explain what a well structured and informative write up this was. Such reality. Sometimes i wish i can speak like this, but Kudos to you man.

Forgive me but i recited every word of your comments over tea with the Mayor and his family.

I just said from “anonymous” on Trinituner and he was very pleased with your write up.

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby De Dragon » August 13th, 2020, 1:28 am

zoom rader wrote:
eliteauto wrote:5 weeks is a long time in Gov't yet ppl pontificating on 5 years from now?
But your soon to be PNM prime minister say hard times ahead

"It eh hah nutting out here fuh de youths!"

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » August 13th, 2020, 4:07 pm

Israel khan looking to join to the UNC...interesting

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby Kewell35 » August 13th, 2020, 4:25 pm

Wasn't Israel Khan always UNC?

He come out supporting Kamla. He said, “The UNC, under your leadership, fought a good fight and although we (all your supporters) would have wanted at least a 21-20 victory a 19-22 defeat is not too bad.

“It put the UNC in a very good position as Opposition in the Parliament,”

Like they don't want to win another election? This lady lose so many elections and have full support still.

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby VII » August 13th, 2020, 4:46 pm

Oh I'm sorry, ran into this UNC support therapy group by accident.

A word of advice though,if that's all you guys can come up with then get used to opposition for the next 25 years or more .

Men taking about Jack and all kinds of other Frankinsteins and old Draculas,I mean its pathetic,is that the best UNC has to offer ?

Are you in this to improve the country with new ideas and new blood or is just about a window dressing to gain control of the public purse to continue old UNC tricks deceptions and corruption tactics ?

You guys looking void of any real ideas or succession planning,PNM already has a succession plan,they seem to even have better UNC candidates than UNC in all those bright young people who lost but made great progress all in those UNC controlled areas,if I were you and a sycophant I would be worried..

If you guys still talking about Jack et al it means you have no plan and no idea,it seems to be just all about snatching that purse, and that's not the right approach.

Tell us what UNC envisions for T&T over the next 25 years and maybe then you can back track and find the right people,sometimes reverse engineering is the only hope,but as it stands you not looking or sounding too bright.

Remember you gotta convince the intelligent non-Indian non-tribal people to vote for UNC,not the foolish masses who will continue to vote race on each side no matter what,and clearly those are the people who swing it on both sides,you gotta come good UNC,you talking about duncie African people etc but forgetting it's the intelligent ones that can put you into office,get a brain people..

Good luck..
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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » August 13th, 2020, 5:22 pm

Kewell35 wrote:Wasn't Israel Khan always UNC?

He come out supporting Kamla. He said, “The UNC, under your leadership, fought a good fight and although we (all your supporters) would have wanted at least a 21-20 victory a 19-22 defeat is not too bad.

“It put the UNC in a very good position as Opposition in the Parliament,”

Like they don't want to win another election? This lady lose so many elections and have full support still.


Probably a supporter now he wants to be a member. He's a dammm good lawyer though. I dont think its a bad idea tbh

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby Kewell35 » August 13th, 2020, 5:38 pm

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:
Kewell35 wrote:Wasn't Israel Khan always UNC?

He come out supporting Kamla. He said, “The UNC, under your leadership, fought a good fight and although we (all your supporters) would have wanted at least a 21-20 victory a 19-22 defeat is not too bad.

“It put the UNC in a very good position as Opposition in the Parliament,”

Like they don't want to win another election? This lady lose so many elections and have full support still.


Probably a supporter now he wants to be a member. He's a dammm good lawyer though. I dont think its a bad idea tbh


Yeah he's a really good lawyer. It was a good decision by them.

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Postby eliteauto » August 13th, 2020, 5:40 pm

VETERAN attorney Israel Khan, SC, intends to apply to join the UNC.

On Thursday Khan joined the chorus of supporters of UNC leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar and her leadership of the party.

In a release, Khan said it was his opinion that she should continue to lead the UNC into the 2025 general election.

He said, “The UNC, under your leadership, fought a good fight and although we (all your supporters) would have wanted at least a 21-20 victory a 19-22 defeat is not too bad.

“It put the UNC in a very good position as Opposition in the Parliament,” he said, adding that the party’s campaign for the next general election starts now.

“In a twinkle of an eye five years would be upon us.

"I am not a card-carrying member of the UNC or any other political party but I am of the view that I can no longer sit on the fence and watch the unnecessary political polarisation of our politics along racial lines. Thus, I am of the view that the time is now most appropriate for me to apply for membership of the UNC.

“Stay strong, active and committed as usual for a better Trinidad and Tobago. God blessings be upon you – the country needs you.”



That is the same fella who say it have too many Afros in the TTPS?
https://newsday.co.tt/2020/08/13/israel ... FEw-7N1EYo
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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby Kewell35 » August 13th, 2020, 5:52 pm

eliteauto wrote:
VETERAN attorney Israel Khan, SC, intends to apply to join the UNC.

On Thursday Khan joined the chorus of supporters of UNC leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar and her leadership of the party.

In a release, Khan said it was his opinion that she should continue to lead the UNC into the 2025 general election.

He said, “The UNC, under your leadership, fought a good fight and although we (all your supporters) would have wanted at least a 21-20 victory a 19-22 defeat is not too bad.

“It put the UNC in a very good position as Opposition in the Parliament,” he said, adding that the party’s campaign for the next general election starts now.

“In a twinkle of an eye five years would be upon us.

"I am not a card-carrying member of the UNC or any other political party but I am of the view that I can no longer sit on the fence and watch the unnecessary political polarisation of our politics along racial lines. Thus, I am of the view that the time is now most appropriate for me to apply for membership of the UNC.

“Stay strong, active and committed as usual for a better Trinidad and Tobago. God blessings be upon you – the country needs you.”



That is the same fella who say it have too many Afros in the TTPS?
https://newsday.co.tt/2020/08/13/israel ... FEw-7N1EYo


That was someone else who said that....Nizam Baksh or something like that.

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby eliteauto » August 13th, 2020, 5:59 pm

No Sir, I know about Nizam, Khan did the same as well
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... duZ3PCODSg

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Postby maj. tom » August 13th, 2020, 6:11 pm

The article is not available.
But it says:

"NEW Commissioner of Police Gary Griffith may well have received his first official complaint, as Senior Counsel Israel Khan yesterday lamented via letter to him that the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) remains mostly Afro-Trinidadian. In it, Khan also reminds Griffith of his, Griffith’s, mixed ethnicity and implores him to include “other” ethnic groups in the service."


If that is what he had said, how the headlines are twisted to say something else? "Israel Khan writes Griffith: Still too many Afros in Police Service."

I not following here. Isn't he saying that it actually doesn't have enough of other ethnicities and they need to diversify?

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby zoom rader » August 13th, 2020, 6:14 pm

eliteauto wrote:No Sir, I know about Nizam, Khan did the same as well
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... duZ3PCODSg
Even if they did , they were correct at that time.

They highlighted the issuse and the police force is much more of a balance that reflects our population.

Well done to them, the army needs to balance now.
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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby Redman » August 13th, 2020, 7:37 pm

Kewell35 wrote:
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:
Kewell35 wrote:Wasn't Israel Khan always UNC?

He come out supporting Kamla. He said, “The UNC, under your leadership, fought a good fight and although we (all your supporters) would have wanted at least a 21-20 victory a 19-22 defeat is not too bad.

“It put the UNC in a very good position as Opposition in the Parliament,”

Like they don't want to win another election? This lady lose so many elections and have full support still.


Probably a supporter now he wants to be a member. He's a dammm good lawyer though. I dont think its a bad idea tbh


Yeah he's a really good lawyer. It was a good decision by them.


Give him a senator position...let’s see what happens.

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby abducted » August 16th, 2020, 10:25 pm

BREAKING NEWS: Inside sources in the executive of the unc has revealed that Kamla is being forced to resign as the leader of the unc party before the swearing process this week. sources has also revealed that a letter is currently being penned to the President of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago by party members notifying the President that kamla is no longer the recognized leader of the party.

Inside sources stated that having tried to get in contact with kamla has proven unsuccess and the executive has not met after the lost at the poll and Kamla has failed to meet or even call any executive meeting to discuss the way forward.

Sources close to monilal has stated that a parallel executive have been meeting and a decision was taken to appoint monilal as the new Official Opposition Leader of the UNC.

The stalwarts of the party has ratified this new position and therefore will be writing the former leader kamla to inform her of this new position.

The membership as well as the stalwarts will be also writing the President of Trinidad and Tobago to inform her of the changes to the leadership of the party. As the letter was delivered around today at 12 noon.

Up to this afternoon Kamla has still not responded to the membership of the party and therefore the party is scheduled to hold a mass meeting to discipline kamla and her non communication to the party as well as to explain how they lost the 2020 general elections.

The party's membership is also demanding that the recount be called off immediately and to allow the party to start healing itself.

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Postby Blaze d Chalice » August 17th, 2020, 1:13 am

^^ Good news if true.

Also, Israel Khan was the one who said that if UNC win, PNM would tell their people that UNC killing them out. or something to that effect.

I would try to find the clip jus now.

Here - Skip to 21:00

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby maj. tom » August 17th, 2020, 11:28 am

Devant: Kamla 'mamaguyed' UNC by calling for recount

UNC activist Devant Maharaj said the party's leader, Kamla Persad-Bissessar, has ‘mamaguyed’ members into thinking that a recount in certain seats in the August 10 general elections was a chance for the UNC to win.

Maharaj said many of the members were holding on to such illusion and failed to accept defeat. He said these games must stop.

“I am not a PNM and I have no intention of joining the PNM. I have challenged the PNM in and out of court for many years but I recognised that this was an electoral race where there will be one winner or one loser and we lost.”

The former minister said Persad-Bissessar, who has not been seen since the general election, has shown her deficiencies as a leader.

“When you listen to some of the members speak, they were holding on to hope that the recount could go our way and we could get government. This is false.”

Maharaj said Persad-Bissessar must come to terms that the party has lost the election.

“We lost and I feel the mature thing to do is to congratulate the winner and move on. She did not show that sense of maturity and, I think, in this last couple of weeks she has highlighted her leadership deficiencies by this ridiculous recount which has stalled the country.”

He added, “This strategy of also demonising the EBC as working for the PNM is disingenuous. When we won the local election the EBC was not under attack and how come now when we lost the general election, the EBC is a PNM. These games must stop.”

Maharaj said the focus now should be on dealing with covid19.

“We have a crisis here. We are at a war with an unseen virus that can kill all of us. It is time for us to put politics aside and work with the government."

On the weekend, attorney and UNC member Kelvin Ramkissoon called on Persad-Bissessar to step down as political leader.

In a WhatsApp conversation, Ramkissoon said, “I don’t even want to watch the news conference. In a proper democracy when a leader losing an election the proper thing is done.

“They don’t hold on. That’s the essence of the Westminster model. The leader knows that."

Ramkissoon was election agent for Ahloy Hunt who has demanded a recount for the St Joseph seat which he lost to incumbent, Health Minister Terrence Deyalsingh.

“The question is not who will take over. Leave that to those who constitute the entity and move on with dignity while you still have it.

“Better yet, show some magnanimity and vacate your own seat and give it to someone else. You will save yourself and save future generations.

“Further time will just erode trust and confidence and chisel away at the remaining goodwill which the party still has and cause people to gravitate towards the continuous winner.

“The maxim if you can’t win them, join them may pervade in the minds of person.”

https://newsday.co.tt/2020/08/16/devant ... r-recount/

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby maj. tom » August 17th, 2020, 11:29 am

so hear nah, how nobody eh see Kamla since August 10th? Like she have the covid or wuh?
Lemme find some pictures of the campaigning NO masks. It coming for all of them.

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Postby Kewell35 » August 17th, 2020, 11:32 am

maj. tom wrote:so hear nah, how nobody eh see Kamla since August 10th? Like she have the covid or wuh?
Lemme find some pictures of the campaigning on the trucks with NO masks. It coming for all of them.


She prob moping somewhere....reminiscent of Hillary Clinton who didn't want to face reality.

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby VII » August 17th, 2020, 11:45 am

She's probably binge drinking in depression...

Just walk away and live your life mam,you dont have long again ,try to extend it...phew..

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Re: UNC 2.0?!?!?!

Postby Redman » August 17th, 2020, 11:59 am

So out of the ton of discrepancies-how many were actually real?
How are the police dealing with Hunts report??

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