Ukraine Russia War

[Redman]

Now Germany is free to re arm itself.
While they quietly looking at restarting their nuclear power plants to reduce dependency on Russia.

Oil markets will go to unprecedented territory
As will gas.

If Evergreen running aground brought messed up glogal supply chains when compounded with C19 protocols etc, what do we think will happen this week?

Evergreen ran aground and blocked the Suez Canal. Also Covid backlogs easing up, so different circumstances.
Unless you've got Ukranian/Russian/Black Sea exports that you rely on heavily, you'll be fine. Yes, oil/gas will shoot up(already at highest prices since 2014), but that is short term shock.

Those exports include big chunks of Oil,Nat Gas,Urea Amonia,coal.
The knock on effect is the problem.

Perception moves mkts...and energy and commodities were already in tight supply.

[Dohplaydat]

Russia's progress so far

[Dizzy28]

[MaxPower]

Surprising we have no attention seeking Trinis as yet protesting about the Ukraine/Russia neighborhood squabble.

[alfa]

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They really think Russia going to notice? Seems like riding a bandwagon to me. How come nobody ever boycott Israeli products or cocoa based products made from slave labor. Just goes to show how powerful the media is and how it shapes our perception and emotions. Then again it's the same media that have Trinis driving in a car by themselves, 4 windows up, ac on but wearing double mask lol

[Dizzy28]

There was story on this over the weekend in the US. A lot of "Russian" vodka is not owned by Russians nor made in Russia such as Smirnoff. Americans were throwing away vodka just not Russian.

Wrt Israel what product can the average Trini boycott? In my entire life I have maybe seen one Israeli product here - couscous in Xtra Foods and that was years ago.

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They really think Russia going to notice? Seems like riding a bandwagon to me. How come nobody ever boycott Israeli products or cocoa based products made from slave labor. Just goes to show how powerful the media is and how it shapes our perception and emotions. Then again it's the same media that have Trinis driving in a car by themselves, 4 windows up, ac on but wearing double mask lol

[Dohplaydat]

Perhaps these might be controversial views (at least in the Western world), but:

1. I don't support boycotts or sanctions of Russian products
2. Ukrainians need to stop fighting and let Russia win.

Reasons:
1. Hurting the Russian people will do nothing. They are hoping to hurt the ruling class and make them turn on Putin, but that's almost futile. Putin has solidified power and will be very very hard and dangerous to even attempt to unseat. Secondly, hurting the average Russian citizen will not make them support the west. In fact, the opposite is observed when we look at Iran, N. Korea, Venezuela....the majority of the population hates the US. Putting people in a silo where they only get exposed to Russian propaganda will create a state that is hugely against the US and NATO and will be even easier for Putin to manipulate, especially as they will become more dependent on the government. Allowing them access to the West and full freedom will actually do more harm to the Russian gov as their population will see, converse, travel & meet people and learn the truth.

2. I see so much propaganda rallying Ukrainian civilians to fight. That's nonsense, why the firetruck would you send an untrained person into a war against a strong army like Russia. If I were Ukrainian I'd be like, firetruck this, let Russia come and let NATO deal with them if they want. It's not worth losing your life for a BS invasion from soldiers who are not evil (unlike the NAZI invasions).

[Dizzy28]

Perhaps these might be controversial views (at least in the Western world), but:

1. I don't support boycotts or sanctions of Russian products
2. Ukrainians need to stop fighting and let Russia win.

Reasons:
1. Hurting the Russian people will do nothing. They are hoping to hurt the ruling class and make them turn on Putin, but that's almost futile. Putin has solidified power and will be very very hard and dangerous to even attempt to unseat. Secondly, hurting the average Russian citizen will not make them support the west. In fact, the opposite is observed when we look at Iran, N. Korea, Venezuela....the majority of the population hates the US. Putting people in a silo where they only get exposed to Russian propaganda will create a state that is hugely against the US and NATO and will be even easier for Putin to manipulate, especially as they will become more dependent on the government. Allowing them access to the West and full freedom will actually do more harm to the Russian gov as their population will see, converse, travel & meet people and learn the truth.

)2. I see so much propaganda rallying Ukrainian civilians to fight. That's nonsense, why the firetruck would you send an untrained person into a war against a strong army like Russia. If I were Ukrainian I'd be like, firetruck this, let Russia come and let NATO deal with them if they want. It's not worth losing your life for a BS invasion from soldiers who are not evil (unlike the NAZI invasions.

The concept of Patriotism eludes you

[adnj]

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They really think Russia going to notice? Seems like riding a bandwagon to me. How come nobody ever boycott Israeli products or cocoa based products made from slave labor. Just goes to show how powerful the media is and how it shapes our perception and emotions. Then again it's the same media that have Trinis driving in a car by themselves, 4 windows up, ac on but wearing double mask lol

[Dizzy28]

This is rather concerning.

And it's Putin who called Macron and had the 1.5hr call.

[sMASH]

This is rather concerning.

And it's Putin who called Macron and had the 1.5hr call.

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Y he call macron?
Does France hold assets, and negotiating some funds to release?

*Plot thickens*

[Dohplaydat]

Perhaps these might be controversial views (at least in the Western world), but:

1. I don't support boycotts or sanctions of Russian products
2. Ukrainians need to stop fighting and let Russia win.

Reasons:
1. Hurting the Russian people will do nothing. They are hoping to hurt the ruling class and make them turn on Putin, but that's almost futile. Putin has solidified power and will be very very hard and dangerous to even attempt to unseat. Secondly, hurting the average Russian citizen will not make them support the west. In fact, the opposite is observed when we look at Iran, N. Korea, Venezuela....the majority of the population hates the US. Putting people in a silo where they only get exposed to Russian propaganda will create a state that is hugely against the US and NATO and will be even easier for Putin to manipulate, especially as they will become more dependent on the government. Allowing them access to the West and full freedom will actually do more harm to the Russian gov as their population will see, converse, travel & meet people and learn the truth.

)2. I see so much propaganda rallying Ukrainian civilians to fight. That's nonsense, why the firetruck would you send an untrained person into a war against a strong army like Russia. If I were Ukrainian I'd be like, firetruck this, let Russia come and let NATO deal with them if they want. It's not worth losing your life for a BS invasion from soldiers who are not evil (unlike the NAZI invasions.

The concept of Patriotism eludes you

Yea I not that patriotic yo

[Redman]

Perhaps these might be controversial views (at least in the Western world), but:

1. I don't support boycotts or sanctions of Russian products
2. Ukrainians need to stop fighting and let Russia win.

Reasons:
1. Hurting the Russian people will do nothing. They are hoping to hurt the ruling class and make them turn on Putin, but that's almost futile. Putin has solidified power and will be very very hard and dangerous to even attempt to unseat. Secondly, hurting the average Russian citizen will not make them support the west. In fact, the opposite is observed when we look at Iran, N. Korea, Venezuela....the majority of the population hates the US. Putting people in a silo where they only get exposed to Russian propaganda will create a state that is hugely against the US and NATO and will be even easier for Putin to manipulate, especially as they will become more dependent on the government. Allowing them access to the West and full freedom will actually do more harm to the Russian gov as their population will see, converse, travel & meet people and learn the truth.

)2. I see so much propaganda rallying Ukrainian civilians to fight. That's nonsense, why the firetruck would you send an untrained person into a war against a strong army like Russia. If I were Ukrainian I'd be like, firetruck this, let Russia come and let NATO deal with them if they want. It's not worth losing your life for a BS invasion from soldiers who are not evil (unlike the NAZI invasions.

The concept of Patriotism eludes you

Patriotism is easy when it's an online ole talk session.
It's a different thing when it's the Russian army that is behind the artillery pointed at you.

I get DPDs point, NAto isn't risking a shooting war with Ukraine,.so why should people die for what will probably be a change with little difference to them day to day.

Western central banks leveraged to the hilt and are already confronted high inflation figures coming in, additional sanctions and conflict can only be highly inflationary.

The political capital and the actual capital just isn't there.

[adnj]

[sMASH]

ukraine is only 35% vaccinated against covid.... they have bigger problems than russia to study

[death365]

so its like this ....

husband and wife going thru divorce, wife and husband want a piece of land - eventually the man stueps and tell the woman take the piece in the back. the woman take the land , build on it fix it up ...


then the man ups one day ah say .... na i want back meh land and cussing and getting on for the land.

Perhaps these might be controversial views (at least in the Western world), but:

1. I don't support boycotts or sanctions of Russian products
2. Ukrainians need to stop fighting and let Russia win.

Reasons:
1. Hurting the Russian people will do nothing. They are hoping to hurt the ruling class and make them turn on Putin, but that's almost futile. Putin has solidified power and will be very very hard and dangerous to even attempt to unseat. Secondly, hurting the average Russian citizen will not make them support the west. In fact, the opposite is observed when we look at Iran, N. Korea, Venezuela....the majority of the population hates the US. Putting people in a silo where they only get exposed to Russian propaganda will create a state that is hugely against the US and NATO and will be even easier for Putin to manipulate, especially as they will become more dependent on the government. Allowing them access to the West and full freedom will actually do more harm to the Russian gov as their population will see, converse, travel & meet people and learn the truth.

2. I see so much propaganda rallying Ukrainian civilians to fight. That's nonsense, why the firetruck would you send an untrained person into a war against a strong army like Russia. If I were Ukrainian I'd be like, firetruck this, let Russia come and let NATO deal with them if they want. It's not worth losing your life for a BS invasion from soldiers who are not evil (unlike the NAZI invasions).

[justheretoreadthecomments]

Kim Iversen (The Hill Rising) highlights previous warnings from world leaders that NATO expansion would lead to a Russian invasion of Ukraine, and discusses America's role in the current invasion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY3JsqVR_04

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

News on both sides may be politically biased

[Dizzy28]

That's now two Generals down in this past week following the Chechen one Tushayev.

[88sins]

This is rather concerning.

And it's Putin who called Macron and had the 1.5hr call. IMG_20220303_111530.jpg

old scare tactic
Intimidate a coward that isn't widely known to be a coward and let him spread the word how bad you are, and then by the time he done talk even ppl yuh eh know & that eh know you fraid yuh.
But he is correct tho, the there's worse to come. They targeting civilians and their residences in suburban areas, because civilians have been engaged in active conflict as militia. And what better way to break a militia than by destroying their homes and putting their loved ones in immediate peril.

[adnj]

This is rather concerning.

And it's Putin who called Macron and had the 1.5hr call. IMG_20220303_111530.jpg

old scare tactic
Intimidate a coward that isn't widely known to be a coward and let him spread the word how bad you are, and then by the time he done talk even ppl yuh eh know & that eh know you fraid yuh.
But he is correct tho, the there's worse to come. They targeting civilians and their residences in suburban areas, because civilians have been engaged in active conflict as militia. And what better way to break a militia than by destroying their homes and putting their loved ones in immediate peril.

The story has been corrected. France called Russia. Macron said, "the worst is yet to come."

[adnj]

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[redmanjp]

how our neighbors to the south vote?

[MaxPower]

And how many of that 141 helping Russia under the table?

[SuperiorMan]

And how many of that 141 helping Russia under the table?

Biggest joke is England voting. The government, the Tories, are in the hands of the Russian oligarchs.

[Dizzy28]

They were absent

how our neighbors to the south vote?

[sMASH]

asov

[Redress10]

Perhaps these might be controversial views (at least in the Western world), but:

1. I don't support boycotts or sanctions of Russian products
2. Ukrainians need to stop fighting and let Russia win.

Reasons:
1. Hurting the Russian people will do nothing. They are hoping to hurt the ruling class and make them turn on Putin, but that's almost futile. Putin has solidified power and will be very very hard and dangerous to even attempt to unseat. Secondly, hurting the average Russian citizen will not make them support the west. In fact, the opposite is observed when we look at Iran, N. Korea, Venezuela....the majority of the population hates the US. Putting people in a silo where they only get exposed to Russian propaganda will create a state that is hugely against the US and NATO and will be even easier for Putin to manipulate, especially as they will become more dependent on the government. Allowing them access to the West and full freedom will actually do more harm to the Russian gov as their population will see, converse, travel & meet people and learn the truth.

)2. I see so much propaganda rallying Ukrainian civilians to fight. That's nonsense, why the firetruck would you send an untrained person into a war against a strong army like Russia. If I were Ukrainian I'd be like, firetruck this, let Russia come and let NATO deal with them if they want. It's not worth losing your life for a BS invasion from soldiers who are not evil (unlike the NAZI invasions.

The concept of Patriotism eludes you

Yea I not that patriotic yo

Dpd is the type of guy who wife cud convince him that another man is what the relationship needs and DPD should only watch from now on.

[SuperiorMan]

Perhaps these might be controversial views (at least in the Western world), but:

1. I don't support boycotts or sanctions of Russian products
2. Ukrainians need to stop fighting and let Russia win.

Reasons:
1. Hurting the Russian people will do nothing. They are hoping to hurt the ruling class and make them turn on Putin, but that's almost futile. Putin has solidified power and will be very very hard and dangerous to even attempt to unseat. Secondly, hurting the average Russian citizen will not make them support the west. In fact, the opposite is observed when we look at Iran, N. Korea, Venezuela....the majority of the population hates the US. Putting people in a silo where they only get exposed to Russian propaganda will create a state that is hugely against the US and NATO and will be even easier for Putin to manipulate, especially as they will become more dependent on the government. Allowing them access to the West and full freedom will actually do more harm to the Russian gov as their population will see, converse, travel & meet people and learn the truth.

)2. I see so much propaganda rallying Ukrainian civilians to fight. That's nonsense, why the firetruck would you send an untrained person into a war against a strong army like Russia. If I were Ukrainian I'd be like, firetruck this, let Russia come and let NATO deal with them if they want. It's not worth losing your life for a BS invasion from soldiers who are not evil (unlike the NAZI invasions.

The concept of Patriotism eludes you

Yea I not that patriotic yo

Dpd is the type of guy who wife cud convince him that another man is what the relationship needs and DPD should only watch from now on.

He is already doing that.

[Dizzy28]

Who had nuclear fallout on their 2022 bingo cards?