Race and Crime

[death365]

i think zoom just win

Pundit get roast, Roget might get a pass.

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[wing]

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Do young black males line up and vote for elections?

[FrankChag]

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This blatant dotishness again with the media.
Did the person who write that headline pass English A?
I expected better from the Guardian.

Saying "young black men are to blame for crime" is NOT the same as
saying "crime is perpetrated mainly by young black men".

In the former you're insinuating that ALL young black men are to blame for crime,
and the latter you're stating a statistic.

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Look at these young black males and look at their family voting preferences towards the red mis government. You will see a trend that they all come from broken PNM family homes. Most live in traditional red hot spots.

There are loads of young black males who have higher education and are high achievers. These men have nothing to do with the PNM and strongly vote against them. They are the silent few and don't live in red ghettos.

Many consider them nerds. When they do get an education, they migrate, so you don't see these young black males. Most don't ever return to Trinidad cause there is nothing here for them.

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Do young black males line up and vote for elections?

Why should they , they have been betrayed by the red mis government.

The successful ones migrate.

Only a clown like you here getting a PNM stipend to blog propaganda.

[wing]

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Do young black males line up and vote for elections?

Why should they , they have been betrayed by the red mis government.

The successful ones migrate.

Only a clown like you here getting a PNM stipend to blog propaganda.

Getting paid to antagonize you? I can only dream. I have more productive and lucrative uses of my time. Cont in u with your cow dung intelligence.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

When the pundit said it, everybody wanted to kill him....roget said it: pin drop silence

[Dizzy28]

Not really silence.
Kambon has spoken out

[Dave]

What about the Latin American folks?

[alfa]

When the pundit said it, everybody wanted to kill him....roget said it: pin drop silence

Same rational behind PNM closing petrotrin not a damn dog bark. If kamla had done it they woulda burn down Trinidad

[Dohplaydat]

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This blatant dotishness again with the media.
Did the person who write that headline pass English A?
I expected better from the Guardian.

Saying "young black men are to blame for crime" is NOT the same as
saying "crime is perpetrated mainly by young black men".

In the former you're insinuating that ALL young black men are to blame for crime,
and the latter you're stating a statistic.

You're actually wrong here, the first statement never implies all young black men are to blame.

[pugboy]

folks, can we have a comprehensive listing of crimes and races ?

we know certain races into money laundering and groceries and casinos
others into customs and excise racket
others into white cloth and large casinos

[gastly369]

Check prison graph / chart

[Dohplaydat]

folks, can we have a comprehensive listing of crimes and races ?

we know certain races into money laundering and groceries and casinos
others into customs and excise racket
others into white cloth and large casinos

Does money laundering make you feel unsafe walking at night?

[FrankChag]

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This blatant dotishness again with the media.
Did the person who write that headline pass English A?
I expected better from the Guardian.

Saying "young black men are to blame for crime" is NOT the same as
saying "crime is perpetrated mainly by young black men".

In the former you're insinuating that ALL young black men are to blame for crime,
and the latter you're stating a statistic.

You're actually wrong here, the first statement never implies all young black men are to blame.

Nope. False. If you don't use a qualifier before the noun (like 'some', or 'several'), you imply 'all'.

At the very least you're purposely leaving it up to misinterpretation, which is especially conniving for an editor, who is trying to over-sensationalize a story.

[pugboy]

quite possibly since the laundered usd likely used to pay to bring in the glock that sticking me up during the home invasion

folks, can we have a comprehensive listing of crimes and races ?

we know certain races into money laundering and groceries and casinos
others into customs and excise racket
others into white cloth and large casinos

Does money laundering make you feel unsafe walking at night?

[Dohplaydat]

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This blatant dotishness again with the media.
Did the person who write that headline pass English A?
I expected better from the Guardian.

Saying "young black men are to blame for crime" is NOT the same as
saying "crime is perpetrated mainly by young black men".

In the former you're insinuating that ALL young black men are to blame for crime,
and the latter you're stating a statistic.

You're actually wrong here, the first statement never implies all young black men are to blame.

Nope. False. If you don't use a qualifier before the noun (like 'some', or 'several'), you imply 'all'.

At the very least you're purposely leaving it up to misinterpretation, which is especially conniving for an editor, who is trying to over-sensationalize a story.

English is vague bro, only an autistic person might have interpreted that way.

quite possibly since the laundered usd likely used to pay to bring in the glock that sticking me up during the home invasion

folks, can we have a comprehensive listing of crimes and races ?

we know certain races into money laundering and groceries and casinos
others into customs and excise racket
others into white cloth and large casinos

Does money laundering make you feel unsafe walking at night?

Not really, assuming they buying that gun in the black market, then that money hasn't been laundered yet.

I'm not defending it, but these aren't the type of crimes are directly impacting my safety.

[pugboy]

you making an assumption tho
just like many persons think stolen cars are for parts when that is the least use of a stolen car except working vehicles like a 3ton truck

[Dohplaydat]

you making an assumption tho
just like many persons think stolen cars are for parts when that is the least use of a stolen car except working vehicles like a 3ton truck

We all making assumptions, money laundering isn't good for many reasons. But it's not inherently violent not does it disproportionately affect a victim of the crime.

I think we can all agree that the pests who are robbing, killing, raping, car jacking and stabbing ppl are 75%+ young black men.

[FrankChag]

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This blatant dotishness again with the media.
Did the person who write that headline pass English A?
I expected better from the Guardian.

Saying "young black men are to blame for crime" is NOT the same as
saying "crime is perpetrated mainly by young black men".

In the former you're insinuating that ALL young black men are to blame for crime,
and the latter you're stating a statistic.

You're actually wrong here, the first statement never implies all young black men are to blame.

Nope. False. If you don't use a qualifier before the noun (like 'some', or 'several'), you imply 'all'.

At the very least you're purposely leaving it up to misinterpretation, which is especially conniving for an editor, who is trying to over-sensationalize a story.

English is vague bro, only an autistic person might have interpreted that way.

Tuners naturally dotish.

Btw, I'm only referring to you... Could you tell?

[Dohplaydat]

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This blatant dotishness again with the media.
Did the person who write that headline pass English A?
I expected better from the Guardian.

Saying "young black men are to blame for crime" is NOT the same as
saying "crime is perpetrated mainly by young black men".

In the former you're insinuating that ALL young black men are to blame for crime,
and the latter you're stating a statistic.

You're actually wrong here, the first statement never implies all young black men are to blame.

Nope. False. If you don't use a qualifier before the noun (like 'some', or 'several'), you imply 'all'.

At the very least you're purposely leaving it up to misinterpretation, which is especially conniving for an editor, who is trying to over-sensationalize a story.

English is vague bro, only an autistic person might have interpreted that way.

Tuners naturally dotish.

Btw, I'm only referring to you... Could you tell?

Context and subtext is lost on you my friend, time to get that Asperger's test arranged

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Do young black males line up and vote for elections?

Why should they , they have been betrayed by the red mis government.

The successful ones migrate.

Only a clown like you here getting a PNM stipend to blog propaganda.

Getting paid to antagonize you? I can only dream. I have more productive and lucrative uses of my time. Cont in u with your cow dung intelligence.

Dream on lil boy, ur little Kuñt self can never antagonize me.

[FrankChag]

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Zoom, for your comments and corrections

This blatant dotishness again with the media.
Did the person who write that headline pass English A?
I expected better from the Guardian.

Saying "young black men are to blame for crime" is NOT the same as
saying "crime is perpetrated mainly by young black men".

In the former you're insinuating that ALL young black men are to blame for crime,
and the latter you're stating a statistic.

You're actually wrong here, the first statement never implies all young black men are to blame.

Nope. False. If you don't use a qualifier before the noun (like 'some', or 'several'), you imply 'all'.

At the very least you're purposely leaving it up to misinterpretation, which is especially conniving for an editor, who is trying to over-sensationalize a story.

English is vague bro, only an autistic person might have interpreted that way.

Tuners naturally dotish.

Btw, I'm only referring to you... Could you tell?

Context and subtext is lost on you my friend, time to get that Asperger's test arranged

Yea, no. Your attempts at ad hominem mean that either you can't see the schemes of a sensation-seeking editor to mislead or rile-up a haplessly simple-minded reader regarding a particularly derisive and sensitive local topic (probably because you got a III, IV or V in CXC English A), you're defending that editor for some familial or contractual reason, or you just refuse to, as an ego defense mechanism. Or some mix of those reasons to varying degrees.

Either way, sucks to be you.

[The_Honourable]

65% of murder victims are Afro-Trinidadians-TTPS stats

More young Afro-Trinidadian males are dying compared to males in any other age group or ethnicity.

In 2023, 136 Afro-Trinidadians (30 years old and under) were murdered, while 23 Indo-Trinidadians of the same age bracket were killed, according to data provided by the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS).

This means that 491 per cent more Afro-Trinidadian males (30 years old and under) are murdered than Indo-Trinidadian males of the same age.

According to Guardian Media’s calculations of the 2023 figures, an Afro-Trinidadian male of that age group was murdered, on average, every three days and an Indo-Trinidadian of that group was murdered every 16 days.

Across all age groups and sexes, an Afro-Trinidadian is murdered every day while an Indo-Trinidadian is murdered every three-and-a-half days.

The statistics requested from the TTPS included the races, sexes, ages and locations of all murder victims in 2002 and 2023.

The data revealed that in 2023, approximately seven out of every ten murder victims were Afro-Trinidadians (65 per cent), while two out of every ten victims were Indo-Trinidadians (19 per cent), 14 per cent were ‘mixed’ and one per cent were Venezuelan nationals.

The average age of a murder victim in 2022 and 2023 was 37 years old.

In 2023, 63 per cent of all murder victims were between 20 years old to 39 years old, while six per cent of victims were between one year old and 19 years old.

Ninety per cent of victims were male and ten per cent were female.

Over both years, Arima was found to be the ‘most-murderous’ place, accounting for nine per cent of all murders—110 murders.

Port-of-Spain was the second-most murderous place with 69 murders, followed by Laventille/Morvant in third with 67 murders.

According to the 2011 census—the most recent—East Indians accounted for 35.4 per cent of the population, Africans—34.2 per cent and Mixed—22.8 per cent.

The State has turned its back on young Black men—David Muhammad

Founder and director of the Black Agenda Project, Dr David Muhammad, has devoted much of his life to attempting to uplift young men from marginalised communities in East Port-of-Spain, particularly young Afro-Trinidadian men.

Some of the young men he mentors were, and in a few cases are, gang members, but he refuses to write them off as lost causes. He believes that too many youths, especially Afro-Trinidadians, have been abandoned and scorned by society.

“The national neglect and the national scorn that the State has completely turned its back on our young Black men, in particular, in our society … And with young people being targeted by gangs—in particular, to store illegal firearms on the premise that they are less likely to be stopped and searched or apprehended—it has roped them into this culture even earlier and adds to the doom that we are lamenting over.

“We tend to have these sensationalised views, calling for a particular measure—the hangman, a state of emergency or joint patrols, or legislation—but if we think about it, we have a 2017 gang report that left us startled by the number of teenagers involved in violent crime. Yet, here we are in 2024 again marvelling over the number of teenagers involved in violent crimes.

“When we look at the 2017 report, many of the people who committed the act of murder in 2023 and 2024 would have been 11 years old at the time when the last major gang reports came out, but seven years ago, when that report came out, we were still obsessed with these catch the criminal, lock up the criminal and throw-away-the-key kind of approach, without, at that time, paying attention to what was happening with young men who were nine, ten and 11 years old.

“It’s as though we sit back and watch young boys become teenagers, and then from teenagers becoming young adults who begin to commit these types of crimes and then pay attention to them as a demographic problem for the first time in their lives. If more attention was paid to them when they were nine, ten or 11 years old, maybe we would have less of a problem now that they are 18, 19 or 20 years old,” Dr Muhammad lamented.

‘Escalating criminality fuelled by politicians, political system’

Dr Muhammed believed that the escalating criminality among at-risk youth is fuelled by politicians and a political system which he describes as among the worst in the civilised world. He said its adversarial nature places solutions to problems like crime as a secondary priority behind the advancement of a party’s political interests.

“I am not saying, and I will not say, that our politicians do not care, but what I am convinced of is that they care more about their political survival amid so much culpability about what’s going wrong. The key focus is to continue recycling and introducing new strategies to remain in office a bit longer, even if it means at the expense of the social crisis that we are seeing within our society.

“I think our political pettiness is starting to hurt the country where it is more a question of who I like and who I dislike; who will get credit and who will not get credit; who will look good or will end up looking bad. You have so much impression management, attempts to silence voices that may be speaking the truth if that truth does not show them up in a complimentary light, and persistent recycling of the same bold elitist favourites who get national multimillion-dollar opportunities to enrich themselves. It has become our culture to make these things a priority and it’s all manifesting itself in the neglect of our young men,” the author said.

Communities in desperate need of help—British study

In 2019, an assessment of gang-related homicides and police corruption in T&T commissioned by the Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary and Fire & Rescue Service reported that T&T’s spike in violence was due largely to gang violence carried out by and against young men, primarily of African descent, using guns.

“Researchers asked a gang leader why so many young people in Trinidad are shot and killed. He responded by saying, ‘It’s a ranking thing’. He explained that for the young men in his community, respect is a serious issue and disrespecting the wrong person can get you shot.

A second gang leader told the researchers that a deadly gang war had started over “small talk”, a term he used to describe petty disputes. A third gang leader told the researchers that a gang war started because he heard a member of another gang saying disrespectful things about him (Katz, Maguire & Choate, 2011). These dynamics are consistent with the notion that a dangerous street culture has arisen in T&T; one in which young men are highly sensitive to their social status and resolve perceived acts of disrespect using violence.

“There are communities that could benefit from a thoughtful mix of evidence-based prevention, intervention, and suppression strategies. They are communities that are in desperate need of help,” the body which has statutory responsibility for the inspection of British police forces reported.

‘More needs to be done’

In July 2020, Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley announced the formation of a Community Recovery Committee (CRC) in the aftermath of community unrest in East Port-of-Spain following the shooting deaths of three men in Morvant by police officers. The committee, led by Dr Anthony Watkins, was given a mandate to examine issues of at-risk youth and factors negatively impacting communities. Among other things, the committee reported/proposed the following:

• The establishment of a network of ministries/agencies that deliver services to specific communities as a means to maximise the impact of scarce resources and to co-ordinate activities.

• The CRC has made significant first steps in bringing key corporate bodies together to discuss their Corporate Social Responsibility, their role and interventions in the communities.

• The CRC has engaged with the Emancipation Support Committee and explored the possibility of enhancing community awareness of its history. These discussions need to be deepened and more sources of information identified.

• They proposed to continue engagement with the committee and with Pan Trinbago to explore the possibility of creating tour and employment opportunities for residents and members of the steelband movement resident in the area.

One of the things repeatedly expressed to the CRC was the way the community is portrayed through national media channels with emphasis continuously placed on the negative elements.

As a result, they proposed a “From the Community of ...” series—stories of individuals and youth groups from the community that have contributed to society positively and to the community.

There have been individuals from the community who have achieved great success and have been identified by the national community.

They proposed engaging these individuals involved in community initiatives in two ways: 1) Developing their initiatives with support from the Government and corporate entities and 2) Supporting initiatives already in place.

The stories of stigma and bias are repeated with frequency. Even if exaggerated, the reality is one of trauma and deprivation. These perceptions and the related interactions take place between the communities and various external agencies and sectors. Residents and the wider national community are sometimes witnesses to these interactions which occur on several fronts.

In May 2022, president of the Community Council in Sea Lots, Sherma Anne Le Blanc, told Guardian Media that she has not seen any lasting impact of the CRC’s work in the community. She said that the only thing the CRC did was to facilitate a pre-school in Sea Lots getting over 20 computer tablets in 2020.

“When the CRC came to us, we spoke about the ills in Sea Lots. We spoke about the discrimination we suffer. We don’t have the proper infrastructure here. We have a community centre here, but it is not outfitted and so it disqualifies us from certain programmes,” she said.

Laventille activist Judith Boyce had some complaints but praised some aspects of the CRC.

“I was part of the ‘We Say Yes’ programme, which was an initiative of the CRC which helps young people do online education programmes. That is a great programme for the children of Beverly Hills.

“We need more programmes, we need more jobs for the youths. Many youths are out there, and they are not doing anything. I would like to see more youths employed. Over the last two years since the CRC was set up, the situation really did not get worse, but it did not get better either,” she said, adding that more needs to be done.

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[Habit7]

In 2024 it is hard to fully delineate ppl’s ethnicity from surname. Kman 6ixx name is Kashif Sankar, if he was killed with rest of his boys, would he be classified as Afro or Indo Trini? If Stuart Young were to get cut down, would his Chinese name determine his ethnicity or his mother’s Indo heritage? While in the past Afro and Indo were distinct cultures, the lines are being blurred and stereotypes are not as applicable as were before.

We need to deal with ppl as individuals. Because am I sure this news doesn’t make anybody of any ethnicity feel safer.

[pugboy]

we may need to deal with ppl based on where they from
the stats show violent criminals often come from the same places

[ProtonPowder]

I think to level the playing field in the name of equity, the Ministry of Youth Development and National Service, in conjunction with the Ministry of National Security should implement the GRIM initiative (Gangs Recruiting Indo-Males).

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In 2024 it is hard to fully delineate ppl’s ethnicity from surname. Kman 6ixx name is Kashif Sankar, if he was killed with rest of his boys, would he be classified as Afro or Indo Trini? If Stuart Young were to get cut down, would his Chinese name determine his ethnicity or his mother’s Indo heritage? While in the past Afro and Indo were distinct cultures, the lines are being blurred and stereotypes are not as applicable as were before.

We need to deal with ppl as individuals. Because am I sure this news doesn’t make anybody of any ethnicity feel safer.

When they reach in the morgue the name doh count. The morgue will list the ethnicity.

Stop trying to spin this we all know that Africans are at the bottom of ladder in spite of an African government .

PNM uses black people conveniently

[Rory Phoulorie]

Young people only want easy money. They don’t want to work for it. Look at the absence of young skilled tradesmen who should be replacing the older ones who just can’t continue.

Look in the newspapers and see the amount of training programmes that the government is holding for the younger generation? How well subscribed are those programmes?

I was speaking to an administrator of one of those programmes who oversaw one for the youths in the Las Cuevas area. They sent a maxi taxi to bring them to the venue for the programme. First day the maxi was full. By the fifth day, the maxi returned empty. The youths were just not interested in learning a new skill and bettering themselves. There was easy money in selling drugs and weed.