Dinosaurs Evolved Into Birds!! Really??

[Slartibartfast]

As a matter of fact, because its failure can kill a person, this shows how important it is to humans.

Sorry, just jumping in here to clear ip a misuderstanding.

Bluefete, think of the appendix as a big front spoiler on an almera. Yes it will create a lot of down force at high speeds and give the car more stability, but if it fails and flys off it could go through the windshield and kill the driver. Now I doubt you will say just because the failure of the front spoiler can kill you if it fails, then it must be extremely important. And all almeras could function without it.

Just like with the appendix, even though it may serve a purpose, it's presence is a huge risk and it is not needed. So why have it there? Or why didn't God make something less risky to take it's place?

[Paratrooper]

GO ASK D POPE

[bluefete]

Slartibartfast: Sorry but poor analogy there.

Every organ in our body is there for a specific purpose. Just because scientists have not discovered the true purpose of the appendix does not make it less so.

The front spoilerr of the almera coming off and flying upward through the window to kill someone is much less likely to do so than a burst appendix.

Burst appendix can kill you = appendix very important.

[sMASH]

People live normal lives with out their appendices. With no observable limitations . Live without snort, u would need a crutch; without your kidney, u would need dialisis, without an eye, your vision goes 2d .

Nothing suffers or is inhibited by the removal of the appendix

[meccalli]

Its inherent function is more or less backup. If my hdd crashes, sure I can go through the process of a fresh install and go through the process of adding all my programs one by one in an external process. If I prepare an image beforehand, its no pain at all besides the trouble. If I recall, people live without sexual organs, one of their kidneys or liver, spleens, tonsils, teeth, limbs etc. Depending on the severity, it may or may not ever bother them. Everything in your body serves a function, minor or major.

[sMASH]

When he appendix is removed, what ability of the human is inhibited by its absence ?
What can't the human do?

[meccalli]

In addition to losing a replenishment source of probiotic flora in the wake of traumatic events in the colon, you also lose an apparent immune 'booster' or assist as its surrounded by this type of foundational tissue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucosa-ass ... oid_tissue
The human can't automatically manage its gut composition without the use of external agents such as natural host foods/fibers/fermented or probiotics every time you get diarrhoea, take antibiotics or take zentel.

[ruffneck_12]

Biology IYMC

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appendicitis

Any sort of benefits the appendix has is quickly outweighed by the dangers it poses. Same way cigarette is shown to make you remember better but the danger it poses obviously outweighs any benefits. So if the appendix is a design by a creator then its a flawed design. sameway blood vessels in front the eye is a horrible design, its supposed to be behind the eye. There are also a lot of other examples, I just can't list them right now. So as you can see Humans do not need an appendix to survive and you are better off without one since an Appendix has a much better chance of killing you than not having one.

What I am trying to understand is why would someone purposely torture themselves into believing something without evidence? I grew up in quite a godly home and I won't consider myself an atheist but to betray science like many prefers to do when its most convenient to them is a betrayal of evidence and reason.

I mean if we truly believe in a supernatural being to grant us what we need most then why not just pray for everything why bother going to the doctor and drug store or hospital? why do we conveniently use science to our benefit and then betray it.

I will never understand some of you guys.

[bluesclues]

I meant you talking about your stomach getting larger and asking if that is evolution.

Did any evolution take place during the period of recorded history? No matter how minute?

evolution does not stop. Once there is life and reproduction there will be DNA transferred from generation to generation altering various aspects of all living organisms. It is a very slow process.

In other words it is something that is theoretical and cannot be easily proved(since there is no absolute evidence of the change happening) and only exists in the minds of someone who believes in it?
Sounds a bit like religion doesn't it ?

who says that it cannot be easily proved and there is no evidence of it?

Don't confuse the meaning of the word "theory" with the definition of "scientific theory".
"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses. A scientific theory is differentiated from a hypothesis in that a theory must explain actual observations."

If a scientific theory is disproven it stops being a scientific theory. Biological Evolution is a scientific theory.

It absolutely exists in the real world via mountains of evidence!

another word for scientific theory is 'educated guess'

because that is what it is. a set of logical data that seems to point to one or more viable assumptions. sometimes the assumptions get enforced with new discovery, and then sometimes new discovery destroys the assumption, and the scientific theory has to be remodelled as being a guess made with incomplete evidence.

to state it absolutely exists is hopeful at best. but still entirely misleading.

[meccalli]

Well, its scientists who discovered it. If you understand the role of your trillions of beneficial micro organisms in the digestive tract and the complex relationship they have in aiding the assimilation process and the absolute importance it plays as being practically the majority of your entire immune system surface area wise- as simple and essential the inflammatory process and lymphatic system depends on it. As many people would know, your diet influences your microbiota health and composition- problems that stem from this often neglected part range from ibd, lumen translocation problems, weight and even mental health. I know someone who had their appendix removed and they have to always make sure of getting foods like yogurt to prevent any digestive problems.

I can't say what's horribly designed, I love the way I work and I thank God everyday for perfect health. Everything seems fine to me, I'm not lacking. guys like Kaku are always talking about the next step to human evolution and that we ourselves will create it, cuz apparently time is too slow and we're in a rush. I certainly don't torture myself lol, I find immense peace of mind knowing where I stand now and where I'm headed. I don't need to torture my brain to figure out something no one will ever be able to test nor prove. Understand our bodies have been decreasing in perfection and longevity ever since the fall, the plan of God is to restore man and earth to perfection.

[bluesclues]

Well, its scientists who discovered it. If you understand the role of your trillions of beneficial micro organisms in the digestive tract and the complex relationship they have in aiding the assimilation process and the absolute importance it plays as being practically the majority of your entire immune system surface area wise- as simple and essential the inflammatory process and lymphatic system depends on it. As many people would know, your diet influences your microbiota health and composition- problems that stem from this often neglected part range from ibd, lumen translocation problems, weight and even mental health. I know someone who had their appendix removed and they have to always make sure of getting foods like yogurt to prevent any digestive problems.

I can't say what's horribly designed, I love the way I work and I thank God everyday for perfect health. Everything seems fine to me, I'm not lacking. guys like Kaku are always talking about the next step to human evolution and that we ourselves will create it, cuz apparently time is too slow and we're in a rush. I certainly don't torture myself lol, I find immense peace of mind knowing where I stand now and where I'm headed. I don't need to torture my brain to figure out something no one will ever be able to test nor prove. Understand our bodies have been decreasing in perfection and longevity ever since the fall, the plan of God is to restore man and earth to perfection.

the appendix helps generate healthy bacteria for the neutralizing of harmful bacteria in the colon. without it your friend has to eat yogurt which provides the body with healthy bacteria in the abscence of the appendix. or could easily contract colon cancers.

[Advent]

its a vestigial organs for all the ignoramus people.
hmm

[bluefete]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appendicitis

Any sort of benefits the appendix has is quickly outweighed by the dangers it poses. Same way cigarette is shown to make you remember better but the danger it poses obviously outweighs any benefits. So if the appendix is a design by a creator then its a flawed design. sameway blood vessels in front the eye is a horrible design, its supposed to be behind the eye. There are also a lot of other examples, I just can't list them right now. So as you can see Humans do not need an appendix to survive and you are better off without one since an Appendix has a much better chance of killing you than not having one. But there must be a reason why it more likely to kill you if ruptured, not so?

What I am trying to understand is why would someone purposely torture themselves into believing something without evidence? I grew up in quite a godly home and I won't consider myself an atheist but to betray science like many prefers to do when its most convenient to them is a betrayal of evidence and reason.

I mean if we truly believe in a supernatural being to grant us what we need most then why not just pray for everything why bother going to the doctor and drug store or hospital? why do we conveniently use science to our benefit and then betray it.

I will never understand some of you guys.

its a vestigial organs for all the ignoramus people.
hmm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigiality
Vestigiality
Vestigiality refers to genetically determined structures or attributes that have apparently lost most or all of their ancestral function in a given species, but have been retained through evolution.



Vestigial Organs Not So Useless After All, Studies Find
Maggie Koerth-Baker
for National Geographic News
July 30, 2009

Appendix, tonsils, various redundant veins—they're all vestigial body parts once considered expendable, if not downright useless.

But as technology has advanced, researchers have found that, more often than not, some of these "junk parts" are actually hard at work.

Sure, the spleen—kidney shaped and tucked into the upper left of your abdomen—helps spot infections and filters out red blood cells that are damaged or old. But overall the organ has been seen as nonessential. Cut it out, and people still live.

But the new study, to be published tomorrow in the journal Science, has uncovered another, more critical role.

How Do You Mend a Broken Heart?

Researchers studying mice discovered that the spleen stores monocytes, white blood cells essential for immune defense and tissue repair.

Previously, scientists had thought monocytes were made only in bone marrow, like other types of white blood cells, and were "stored" in the bloodstream.

But the new study found that the spleen contains ten times as many monocytes as blood—making it a far more important storehouse.

What's more, the spleen is the source of 40 to 50 percent of the monocytes involved in nursing lab mice back to health after a heart attack, said study co-author Filip Swirski of Massachusetts General Hospital's Center for Systems Biology in Boston.

"If you're going to survive a heart attack, your heart has to heal the proper way, and that depends on monocytes," Swirski said.

"It was thought that the monocytes that accumulated immediately after a heart attack were ones that had been circulating in the blood. But we did calculations and found that the number that accumulated in the heart far exceeded the number in circulation," he said.

"And in studies where we removed the spleen and then induced a heart attack, we saw a vastly fewer number of monocytes accumulate."

Simply put, mice without spleens weren't able to recover as well.

spleen picture


Neither, it seems, can humans without spleens.

A 1977 study, published in the medical journal The Lancet, followed the health of World War II veterans over 20 years—some with spleens and some who'd lost theirs to war injuries.

The spleen-less men were twice as likely to die from heart disease and pneumonia.

"They knew the spleen played an important role, but they didn't know how," Swirski said.

(Also see "Gene Doctors Milk Mice; Yield Human Breast Milk Protein.")

Dangerous Logic

None of this is surprising to Jeffrey Laitman, director of anatomy and functional morphology at New York City's Mount Sinai School of Medicine and president-elect of the American Association of Anatomists.

History is littered with body parts that were called "useless" simply because medical science had yet to understand them, Laitman said.

"People say, You can remove it and still live. But you have to be careful with that logic," he said. "You could remove your left leg and still live. But whenever a body part is moved or changed, there's a price to pay."

Appendix Rescued From Biology's Junk Heap

In some cases, life in the developed world—rather than insufficient medical technology—has obscured important functions of vestigial organs.

The appendix, a narrow tube that hangs off one end of the colon, is probably the most famous "junk" organ. But it's turned out to be important even today—in certain circumstances.

"It's hard to figure out what the appendix does when you're studying superclean animals and people," said Bill Parker, assistant professor of surgery at Duke University Medical Center and one of the researchers who exposed the appendix's secrets in a 2007 Journal of Theoretical Biology study.

Far from useless, the organ is actually a storehouse of beneficial bacteria that help us digest food (interactive digestive-system guide).

The appendix evolved for a much dirtier, parasite-plagued lifestyle than the one most people live in the developed world today, Parker said. But where diarrheal disease is common, for example, the appendix is apparently vital for repopulating intestines with helpful bacteria after an illness.

Another example of anatomy lagging behind lifestyle, according to Mount Sinai's Laitman, is collateral circulation. Certain systems of veins and arteries ensure blood flow when the main paths are blocked or damaged.

The systems appear to be truly vestigial, at least for now.

Elbows, knees, and shoulders, for example, all have collateral circulation, Laitman said, but the heart and much of the brain don't.

"Why would we adapt enormous redundancy in an elbow but not where it really matters?" Laitman said. "The answer is unsettling. When do we have strokes and heart attacks? Our 50s, 60s.

"When the blueprints for our species were being drawn up, nobody lived that long."

The fact that our bodies evolved while humans lived short lives hunting and gathering is one key to understanding many "useless" body parts, Laitman said.

From an evolutionary viewpoint, we've been living in the modern manner for a relatively short time, he pointed out. "Our circumstances have changed a lot, but our bodies haven't."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... rgans.html


So after all that, the appendix does serve a critical purpose. It is just that scientists do not understand how God uses it in the human body!

Imagine man telling his creator that he has body parts that he no longer needs! SMH!

[bluefete]

In the past, evolutionists claimed that there were approximately 180 vestigial organs in humans, including the appendix, the tonsils, the pineal gland and the thymus. Now we know that:

The appendix is part of the immune system, strategically located at the entrance of the almost sterile ileum from the colon with its normally high bacterial content.
The tonsils have a similar function in the entrance to the pharynx.8
The pineal gland secretes malatonin which is a hormone that regulates the circadian rhythm and has other functions.
The thymus is part of the immune system, related to T-cells. HIV attacks T-cells, rendering them ineffective and for this reason is always eventually fatal.

The number of organs that once were believed to be functional in the evolutionary past of humans but are non-functional today has been steadily reduced as the fields of anatomy and physiology have progressed. Few examples of vestigial organs in humans are now offered, and the ones that are have been shown by more recent research to be completely functional (and in many cases critically so, see Bergman and Howe).9

http://creation.com/do-any-vestigial-or ... -in-humans

[bluesclues]

you all might have missed this discovery article which i read when it was released. i actually coughed up my last post from memory and understanding.

politicalblindspot.com/scientists-finally-discover-the-function-of-the-human-appendix/

the human body and all it's parts are useful. which is why i never even took out any wisdom teeth and would never. i faced the pain. a decision i dont regret.

if you go believing everything science says about today. you could end up getting setup for a bad fall later when they change their minds.. 'based on new evidence'

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

^ but the wisdom teeth is a horrible thing to have in your body. It can cause the other teeth to rotten, you live most of your early life without the wisdom teeth why would you risk your other teeth rotting later on?

Doctors and Dentists say its a foolish move to keep your wisdom teeth. The dangers outweigh the benefits same as the Appendix. Ok they found evidence later on that both may serve a purpose but its a design flaw so to speak and it causes more potential harm than good. The bad outweigh the good

[ruffneck_12]

This thread about Dinosaurs and birds Evolved Into talking about appendix and teeth!! Really??

[Silvermike]

so to add fuel to this.

dinosaurs did not evolve "into" birds.

dinosaurs were birds. just really old (large in some cases) dead ones. Modern day birds are descendants of theropods evolved during the Mesozoic era.

[rabiesebola]

How come no aquatic dinosaurs remained alive ? If sharks could survive and they are highly specialized, then it should be that plesciosaurs should survive too.
Aligators and snakes I.e. Reptiles survived. Is that due to their really slow metabolism which can allow them to go weeks if not months wihout food.

we are still yet to discover all contents of the sea so there are dinosaurs still occupying our earth...as for birds being shruken dinosaurs. dat come like d same shiiiiiit as the big bang theory. wenever man cant find a logical explanation for things dey rely on bullshiiittt ideasand den photoshop "major archaeological finds" and put dat as "proof"

[TRAE]

How come no aquatic dinosaurs remained alive ? If sharks could survive and they are highly specialized, then it should be that plesciosaurs should survive too.
Aligators and snakes I.e. Reptiles survived. Is that due to their really slow metabolism which can allow them to go weeks if not months wihout food.

we are still yet to discover all contents of the sea so there are dinosaurs still occupying our earth...as for birds being shruken dinosaurs. dat come like d same shiiiiiit as the big bang theory. wenever man cant find a logical explanation for things dey rely on bullshiiittt ideasand den photoshop "major archaeological finds" and put dat as "proof"

have to disagree with the first part of your reply- scientist have already determined the lowest part of the ocean, that being said they woulda pick up huge anomalies if there were any

[rabiesebola]

scientist are known for their projections and forecasts. plus there is no man made craft that can sustain the pressures at high depths. so although documented and proven doesnt actually equal truth

[TRAE]

scientist are known for their projections and forecasts. plus there is no man made craft that can sustain the pressures at high depths. so although documented and proven doesnt actually equal truth

so you are technically saying that you dont believe in evolution then?

[rabiesebola]

i sure u went to the zoo so does yur intelligence really lead u to believe that u came from a caged animal???

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

So Duane, you really think that nothing in our existence was designed?

Not even yourself?

what does the evidence show?

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

i sure u went to the zoo so does yur intelligence really lead u to believe that u came from a caged animal???

What is wrong in believing that you came from an Animal?

Also we did not come from a caged animal, humans and monkey share a common ancestor.

There is no living ape today that we can point a finger and say yes that ape gave birth to me. This shows the lack of knowledge of those who are denying evolution.

But in any event explain to me whats so bad if you evolved from an animal? I know animals smarter than vagrants in POS. I had a rottweiler who was smarter than many vagrants and a lot cleaner and who I could trust my life and my family with over any vagrant. I have a neighbor with a similar story except he has a German Shepperd. So I see nothing wrong with animals

There are tons of skeletons where you can clearly see each looking more and more like an ape the further back you go. This is evidence enough to know man evolved else you will have to explain where did that strange race of monkey looking people disappeared to.

[Silvermike]

So Duane, you really think that nothing in our existence was designed?

Not even yourself?

what does the evidence show?

modern/contemporary

[Silvermike]

But in any event explain to me whats so bad if you evolved from an animal?

humans are mammals, which are animals.

[meccalli]

so to add fuel to this.

dinosaurs did not evolve "into" birds.

dinosaurs were birds. just really old (large in some cases) dead ones. Modern day birds are descendants of theropods evolved during the Mesozoic era.

Nope, won't find defining characteristics of Aves in the majority of dino species. These features all by and large contribute and define what makes it possible for the amazing phenomenon of flight in almost every aspect of the organism, down to morphology, bone structure and even respiratory functions.

[bluefete]

So Duane, you really think that nothing in our existence was designed?

Not even yourself?

what does the evidence show?

If I go according to the 'evidence' you have postulated then nothing in our existence was designed.

Everything is just a random, freaky, occurrence of nature or something other than nature in outer space.