The *Official* LOCAL Election Thread (2013)

[pioneer]

Rowley already beatin up over that

[sMASH]

great! now i know how to set my vacation time.

[pioneer]

Goin een wukk half day da day...never know huh much line an ting it go have to vote nah

[MG Man]

'Reeks' not 'wreaks'

[brams112]

I do not agree with rushing though any legislation at this late stage...it wreaks of desperation.

But I support Proportional Representation...for too long the disenfranchised have not been given a voice.

The PNM were against instituting this as the system for General Elections so it's doubtful they'd lend their support to enact it at the local level anyway.

If they support this they would never be in power.

[hydroep]

'Reeks' not 'wreaks'

Thanks, for the correction.

[Habit7]

^^^If the PP dont add Proportional Representation they will lose power

Response to PM's Statement re"Proportional Representation" in Local Government
29 August 2013 at 19:11
This is a vulgarity, a hastily cobbled together initiative offered not unlike what was attempted during the recent THA Election when the Prime Minister brought a bad bill to Parliament purporting to give Tobago internal self-government. After the twelve/nil (12/0) defeat of the UNC/TOP the said bill, without further attention, was quietly allowed to lapse.

On this occasion the Prime Minister floated the trial balloon of postponing the Local Government Election. Vigorous public rejection has resulted in the Government withdrawing from that option which it had placed on the table.

They have now come up with this patently self-serving attempt aimed at improving their party's chances of winning places through proportional representation. This is being done to deal with the reality that the UNC/COP would be wiped out in many areas which they now control through the first past the post system eg. Diego Martin, Arima and Chaguanas.

It matters not how much the PM attempts to sugar coat this proposal, it is clearly an effort to deal with the UNC's rejection across Trinidad and Tobago, as recorded in the recent THA Election and that of Chaguanas West.

Proportional representation is not to be sprung upon the population, like a thief in the night, on the eve of an election which the Government is guaranteed to lose.

It is to be noted with some concern that the UNC Government has announced this decision on its way to the Parliament without even the courtesy of informing the Opposition or allowing for any semblance of public discourse.

This approach by the Government not only taints the process but lays the foundation for ongoing aggravations in the years ahead. Is it that the well-worded self-praises and sunny justifications will in similar manner be made to apply to the general election which are due in the not too distant future?

We have every confidence that the population will resoundingly reject this dysfunctional collapsed Government regardless of what form or systems it wraps itself in.


Dr Keith Rowley

Leader of the Opposition

https://www.facebook.com/notes/oppositi ... 6552159214

Why doesnt the PM own up on campaign promises of constitutional change like fixed election dates, right to recall and referendums. All those seem to be forgotten while the cherrypicked Proportional Representation might be the only saving grace from a clean sweep à la THA elections.

[pioneer]

Who go sweep dem?...pnm? lol

[hydroep]

I do not agree with rushing though any legislation at this late stage...it wreaks of desperation.

But I support Proportional Representation...for too long the disenfranchised have not been given a voice.

The PNM were against instituting this as the system for General Elections so it's doubtful they'd lend their support to enact it at the local level anyway.

If they support this they would never be in power.

True.

This came up during the discussions on constitutional reform during their last term in office. When Mr. Manning was asked about this I recall him saying that this was not in the best interest of the country as it would lead to one group being in power all of the time. But their position on this goes much further back in their history.

I believe Eric Williams formalised his position on the matter in a booklet titled "The Case Against Proportional Representation" or something so as far back as 1973. Never read it myself...may head down to the local library and see if it's available.

[Habit7]

Who go sweep dem?...pnm? lol

This election will show the anti-PNM crowd that the ILP is not the best option. The Regional Cooperations the PP was able to take from the PNM relied highly on the COP vote.

The last person to leave the COP turn off the lights yet?

The ILP will split the anti-PNM vote and give the PNM back Diego Martin, Tunapuna/Piarco, Arima, Sangre Grande. After this local election the ILP and the PP who have to resolve their issues if they dont want a repeat in the general elections.

The Proportional Representation would just give the PP a chance back in power if they lose by joining back with ILP and the votes he secures to together outnumber the PNM. The PP getting very desperate.

[rfari]

Great is the PNM
And it shall prevail

[pioneer]

Kamla yet to reshuffle the cabinet, jus sayin...


Dem eggs...don't count it

[zoom rader]

Who go sweep dem?...pnm? lol

This election will show the anti-PNM crowd that the ILP is not the best option. The Regional Cooperations the PP was able to take from the PNM relied highly on the COP vote.

The last person to leave the COP turn off the lights yet?

The ILP will split the anti-PNM vote and give the PNM back Diego Martin, Tunapuna/Piarco, Arima, Sangre Grande. After this local election the ILP and the PP who have to resolve their issues if they dont want a repeat in the general elections.

The Proportional Representation would just give the PP a chance back in power if they lose by joining back with ILP and the votes he secures to together outnumber the PNM. The PP getting very desperate.

So with your logic PNM can only win an election by default, fraud, selection, violence, intimidation , race fear.

[Ted_v2]

Agreed with the votes getting split

[Habit7]

Who go sweep dem?...pnm? lol

This election will show the anti-PNM crowd that the ILP is not the best option. The Regional Cooperations the PP was able to take from the PNM relied highly on the COP vote.

The last person to leave the COP turn off the lights yet?

The ILP will split the anti-PNM vote and give the PNM back Diego Martin, Tunapuna/Piarco, Arima, Sangre Grande. After this local election the ILP and the PP who have to resolve their issues if they dont want a repeat in the general elections.

The Proportional Representation would just give the PP a chance back in power if they lose by joining back with ILP and the votes he secures to together outnumber the PNM. The PP getting very desperate.

So with your logic PNM can only win an election by default, fraud, selection, violence, intimidation , race fear.

ZR, I could post the notes for Canon in D and you will interpret that to be "PNM can only win an election by default, fraud, selection, violence, intimidation , race fear."



If the PM really committed to constitutional reform, kill to birds with one stone. Put proportional representation on the ballot paper this election and make it a referendum.

[rocknrolla]

Who go sweep dem?...pnm? lol

This election will show the anti-PNM crowd that the ILP is not the best option. The Regional Cooperations the PP was able to take from the PNM relied highly on the COP vote.

The last person to leave the COP turn off the lights yet?

The ILP will split the anti-PNM vote and give the PNM back Diego Martin, Tunapuna/Piarco, Arima, Sangre Grande. After this local election the ILP and the PP who have to resolve their issues if they dont want a repeat in the general elections.

The Proportional Representation would just give the PP a chance back in power if they lose by joining back with ILP and the votes he secures to together outnumber the PNM. The PP getting very desperate.

So with your logic PNM can only win an election by default, fraud, selection, violence, intimidation , race fear.

ZR, I could post the notes for Canon in D and you will interpret that to be "PNM can only win an election by default, fraud, selection, violence, intimidation , race fear."



If the PM really committed to constitutional reform, kill to birds with one stone. Put proportional representation on the ballot paper this election and make it a referendum.

if the pnm did that we'd still have the same substanceless politicians that have been running the country into the ground for decades. pnm had their chance.. and plenty chances too. the laws of probability are in favour of ilp for a whitewash in many areas.

if jack shows to be delivering in his constituencies over time, i might even go join him. in the end, the product determines the character, usefulness and genuinity of a politician. and the only product we ever get out of pnm is rising inflation.

[Habit7]

In the 2007 General Elections, a poll had predicted that COP would win the election and they had a 7% lead over the PNM. http://www.newsday.co.tt/features/0,66008.html

We all know how that turned out

[zoom rader]

Who go sweep dem?...pnm? lol

This election will show the anti-PNM crowd that the ILP is not the best option. The Regional Cooperations the PP was able to take from the PNM relied highly on the COP vote.

The last person to leave the COP turn off the lights yet?

The ILP will split the anti-PNM vote and give the PNM back Diego Martin, Tunapuna/Piarco, Arima, Sangre Grande. After this local election the ILP and the PP who have to resolve their issues if they dont want a repeat in the general elections.

The Proportional Representation would just give the PP a chance back in power if they lose by joining back with ILP and the votes he secures to together outnumber the PNM. The PP getting very desperate.

So with your logic PNM can only win an election by default, fraud, selection, violence, intimidation , race fear.

ZR, I could post the notes for Canon in D and you will interpret that to be "PNM can only win an election by default, fraud, selection, violence, intimidation , race fear."



If the PM really committed to constitutional reform, kill to birds with one stone. Put proportional representation on the ballot paper this election and make it a referendum.

Constitutional reform is, nothing more but lip service to the PNM. Is all games. The new PNM yet to win a real election basied on fairplay

[kurpal_v2]

So my government under the PURE program decide to build box drains on my street but my street is already narrow with a pavement on one side and the residents are against the box drain due to health reasons (rodents and the lack of mentainence already shown by pdrc)


This morning my greatful MP coonilal was meeting with the residents whom had raised concerns, to all the concerns brought up his response was shot across to "men in charge" (read fly by night contractors, one actually only registered his company last month, some might remember his explosive meeting with Rowley in debe market) These men claim to be "shot callers" in the community, bosses of such but in reality no one respects them yet these are the men the MP put trust in.


My MP signed off on a project about which he knows little about, to be completed by fly by night contractors, never consulted with residents, held no solutions to our concerns and yet sadly will be reelected.


RIP ever moving forward as a country.

[zoom rader]

Call name nah dan

[kurpal_v2]

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Deb ... &smobile=y



Auto parts business man to CEPEP and PURE contractor



The other man in charge afaik is a glorified taxi driver for Halliburton

[rfari]

Call name nah dan

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Debe_vendors_blaze_Rowley-182474921.html?m=y&smobile=y



Auto parts business man to CEPEP and PURE contractor



The other man in charge afaik is a glorified taxi driver for Halliburton

[kurpal_v2]

The residents against the box drain suggesting they renovate the current drain/pavement to accommodate better access, the openings be made bigger and have the road paved at a gradient to encourage water flow. And CEPEP or PDRC do their job and actually clean the drains, littering is not a big problem in my street, unkept drains are.


Simple improvements.




Edit: *bonx* yea boy fari, from vendor to shot caller in 6months

[De Dragon]

So my government under the PURE program decide to build box drains on my street but my street is already narrow with a pavement on one side and the residents are against the box drain due to health reasons (rodents and the lack of mentainence already shown by pdrc)


This morning my greatful MP coonilal was meeting with the residents whom had raised concerns, to all the concerns brought up his response was shot across to "men in charge" (read fly by night contractors, one actually only registered his company last month, some might remember his explosive meeting with Rowley in debe market) These men claim to be "shot callers" in the community, bosses of such but in reality no one respects them yet these are the men the MP put trust in.


My MP signed off on a project about which he knows little about, to be completed by fly by night contractors, never consulted with residents, held no solutions to our concerns and yet sadly will be reelected.


RIP ever moving forward as a country.

Father Moons decide what best fuh ollour.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

rel lolz fuh d next 5 wks yes,all who want contract and road pave,kindly flock to ur MP office

[hustla_ambition101]

well arima getting roads paved......creating a lot of traffic coupled with parents who now gone to buy books

[pioneer]

So wait...PNM MP's cannot visit UNC areas?

Rowley shoulda send some urban youths to drop urbanlicks on da gunraj

[redmanjp]

just heard on news volney to go- another bye election comin

[pioneer]

St. Joseph go be very interesting...nobody wants volney

[rfari]

Heard volney on radio this week. In my words, he said that he does want to traumatise his constituency with a by-elections but he know that the cabal wants to disenfranchise them.
Most ridiculous excuse if i ever heard one.

what i look forward to is to see the ilp candidate