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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby adnj » May 7th, 2024, 10:43 am

bluefete wrote:Both sides do not look like they want it to end.


The civilians pay the price.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby matr1x » May 7th, 2024, 12:00 pm

Assumption is anyone cares about the civilians

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » May 7th, 2024, 1:54 pm

bluefete wrote:
matr1x wrote:Things will settle down in a month


Do you really think so?

Both sides do not look like they want it to end.

Hamas and The Israeli Govt do not want the war to end - but the civilians do

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » May 7th, 2024, 1:56 pm

adnj wrote:
bluefete wrote:Both sides do not look like they want it to end.


The civilians pay the price.

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yup true

Gaza looks like the buildings in the image - the buildings in Israel don't look like that though

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby adnj » May 7th, 2024, 2:32 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Gaza looks like the buildings in the image - the buildings in Israel don't look like that though


I am fairly certain that was the IDF's desired effect.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » May 7th, 2024, 2:38 pm

adnj wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Gaza looks like the buildings in the image - the buildings in Israel don't look like that though


I am fairly certain that was the IDF's desired effect.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » May 7th, 2024, 5:46 pm

bluefete wrote:
matr1x wrote:Things will settle down in a month


Do you really think so?

Both sides do not look like they want it to end.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby bluefete » May 7th, 2024, 6:01 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
bluefete wrote:
matr1x wrote:Things will settle down in a month


Do you really think so?

Both sides do not look like they want it to end.

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So very sad. Netanyahu is on a revenge streak. Nothing else. Hamas has to share responsibility as well if it really is using civilians as cover for its operations.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby ed360123 » May 7th, 2024, 6:21 pm

Bahamas recognizing Palestine. All independent CARICOM countries now recognize it.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby matr1x » May 7th, 2024, 7:25 pm

Good for them. Virtue signaling to support terrorism

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Habit7 » May 8th, 2024, 9:16 am

How can Gaza be a concentration camp when Israel didn’t control their southern border with Egypt?


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UWI had this planned (I am surprised it even reached to the planning phase) but it is now cancelled.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby redmanjp » May 8th, 2024, 9:51 am

paid protestors

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-university-funding-donors-00156135

President Joe Biden has been dogged for months by pro-Palestinian protesters calling him “Genocide Joe” — but some of the groups behind the demonstrations receive financial backing from philanthropists pushing hard for his reelection.

The donors include some of the biggest names in Democratic circles: Soros, Rockefeller and Pritzker, according to a POLITICO analysis.

Two of the organizers supporting the protests at Colombia University and on other campuses are Jewish Voice for Peace and IfNotNow. Both are supported by the Tides Foundation, which is seeded by Democratic megadonor George Soros and was previously supported by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. It in turn supports numerous small nonprofits that work for social change.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby zoom rader » May 8th, 2024, 11:12 am

Habit7 wrote:How can Gaza be a concentration camp when Israel didn’t control their southern border with Egypt?


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UWI had this planned (I am surprised it even reached to the planning phase) but it is now cancelled.
https://mondoweiss.net/2021/12/the-construction-of-israels-gaza-concentration-camp-is-complete/

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby matr1x » May 8th, 2024, 11:34 am

Palestinians using the words genocide, concentration camps and apartheid....cheapen the words

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Habit7 » May 8th, 2024, 11:44 am

zoom rader wrote:
Habit7 wrote:How can Gaza be a concentration camp when Israel didn’t control their southern border with Egypt?


https://mondoweiss.net/2021/12/the-cons ... -complete/

This still doesn't answer how this can be a concentration camp when Israel doesn't have control of all of Gaza's borders.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby matr1x » May 8th, 2024, 11:47 am

Habit7 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Habit7 wrote:How can Gaza be a concentration camp when Israel didn’t control their southern border with Egypt?


https://mondoweiss.net/2021/12/the-cons ... -complete/

This still doesn't answer how this can be a concentration camp when Israel doesn't have control of all of Gaza's borders.



They cannot answer it. All they know how.to do is froth and cry genocide

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » May 8th, 2024, 1:44 pm

Habit7 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Habit7 wrote:How can Gaza be a concentration camp when Israel didn’t control their southern border with Egypt?


https://mondoweiss.net/2021/12/the-cons ... -complete/

This still doesn't answer how this can be a concentration camp when Israel doesn't have control of all of Gaza's borders.

Gaza is widely referred to as an open-air prison
Israel has built a wall and blockaded the access to the sea.
They also have very limited mobility through to Egypt. Not that there's anything there to go to.

In 2022 the Human Rights Watch had published this stating that Gaza was like an open-air prison
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaz ... -prison-15

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby matr1x » May 8th, 2024, 2:29 pm

First up, there is no issue for them to use the southern border. If Egypt doh want them, that have nothing to do with Israel.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby matr1x » May 8th, 2024, 2:31 pm

Also, Westbank and saini (sp?) Is in Palestinian control not Israel I think from the last set of peace treaties

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » May 8th, 2024, 3:09 pm

The zionists would love for Palestinians to leave Gaza.
The rest of the middle east does not want this - they want the people of Gaza to freely have their own land.

Palestinians have pockets in the West Bank - but illegal settlements are making those pockets smaller and smaller

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Habit7 » May 8th, 2024, 3:49 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Habit7 wrote:How can Gaza be a concentration camp when Israel didn’t control their southern border with Egypt?


https://mondoweiss.net/2021/12/the-cons ... -complete/

This still doesn't answer how this can be a concentration camp when Israel doesn't have control of all of Gaza's borders.

Gaza is widely referred to as an open-air prison
Israel has built a wall and blockaded the access to the sea.
They also have very limited mobility through to Egypt. Not that there's anything there to go to.

In 2022 the Human Rights Watch had published this stating that Gaza was like an open-air prison
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaz ... -prison-15


Wide references used here tend to be very incorrect. Assad killed 500,000 ppl including thousands of Palestinians. Yet Israel responding to Hamas attacks is accused of genocide by killing Hamas members who hide among civilians.

Palestians in Lebanon cannot buy land, they are banned from 39 professions (law, medicine, dentistry, pharmacy) and certain businesses. But Israel is called an apartheid country. One fifth of Israel is Arab and they can do whatever they want. They just have a problem with separatists Palestinians in their country who swear to kill every living one of them.

There are 14 Muslim countries in the Middle East, many of whom violently kicked out or persecuted their Jewish citizens. Can’t the Jews just have one country on the land they occupied since before Islam? The Quran mentions Israel several times, not once did it mention Palestine. These very Middle Eastern countries see Palestinians as troublemakers and don’t like them in their country (hence Egypt’s tight border just as Israel) but they want them to stay in Palestine and be a thorn in Israel’s side.

If Palestinians put down their arms, there would be peace. If Israel puts down their arms, it would be true genocide and disappearance of the only Jewish nation.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby ed360123 » May 8th, 2024, 3:51 pm

matr1x wrote:Also, Westbank and saini (sp?) Is in Palestinian control not Israel I think from the last set of peace treaties
The Sinai is not under Palestinian control. The West Bank is under the PA but Israel still has extensive control over it, as demonstrated by the settlements that keep growing.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby ed360123 » May 8th, 2024, 3:54 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
zoom rader wrote:
Habit7 wrote:How can Gaza be a concentration camp when Israel didn’t control their southern border with Egypt?


https://mondoweiss.net/2021/12/the-cons ... -complete/

This still doesn't answer how this can be a concentration camp when Israel doesn't have control of all of Gaza's borders.

Gaza is widely referred to as an open-air prison
Israel has built a wall and blockaded the access to the sea.
They also have very limited mobility through to Egypt. Not that there's anything there to go to.

In 2022 the Human Rights Watch had published this stating that Gaza was like an open-air prison
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaz ... -prison-15


If Palestinians put down their arms, there would be peace.


How does this explain the West Bank then?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 8th, 2024, 3:56 pm

Habit7 wrote:How can Gaza be a concentration camp when Israel didn’t control their southern border with Egypt?


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UWI had this planned (I am surprised it even reached to the planning phase) but it is now cancelled.
They get a big giant social media budget. My wall always have some isrsli zionist rubbish popping up out of the blue.



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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Habit7 » May 8th, 2024, 3:58 pm

The Palestinians in the West Bank put down their arms?

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 8th, 2024, 4:00 pm

Come out and stand against genocide!
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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby sMASH » May 8th, 2024, 4:01 pm

Habit7 wrote:The Palestinians in the West Bank put down their arms?
War is against hamas not palestine.. according to the narrative

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Habit7 » May 8th, 2024, 4:18 pm

sMASH wrote:Come out and stand against genocide! FB_IMG_1715198334866.jpg

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it," reads the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement, more commonly known as the Hamas Covenant, adopted on Aug. 18, 1988.

This is the stated genocide I stand against.

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Re: What's going on in the Middle East?

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » May 8th, 2024, 4:47 pm

Habit7 wrote:Palestians in Lebanon cannot buy land, they are banned from 39 professions (law, medicine, dentistry, pharmacy) and certain businesses. But Israel is called an apartheid country.

The first question we should ask is why are there Palestinian refugees in Lebanon?

Palestinian refugees and Palestinians in Lebanon do not hold ID cards or national status in Lebanon. They are in someone else's country and are prevented based on nationality. In Israel they are in their own country.

The claims of similarity to apartheid are used to refer to the West Bank, not so much Gaza.
In the West Bank Palestinian land is given to Israeli settlers illegally, there are permits for different people and Palestinians aren't allowed in certain places or allowed to do certain things - example the roads in the West Bank, some are for Israeli's only and Palestinians have to pass through checkpoints.

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