Guyana-Venezuela border dispute

[88sins]

This region has been in contention for nearly 200 years. It's not "sudden". Venezuela has always claimed it as theirs. This is not Maduro thinking it belongs to him but most venezuelans consider this piece of territory theirs. If they see the territory as theirs then they would view Guyana's exploration/extraction of the area as a threat to their economic wellbeing. Remember we talking about billions of resources to be extracted.

I think the biggest sticking point is US involvement in these operations. Especially with the recent revalations showing how much Guyana was losing to US companies because of their inexperience in the O/G industry. Remember, these south american countries are deeply anti imperialist so much so that the US etc plan orchestrate coups against their leaders and ppl. So on the one hand you sanctioning them and on the hand other you extracting "their" resources using Guyana as a kinda proxy.

I don't think Maduro and Venezuelans have imperialist intentions tbh. I don't see them caring that much about the 1/3 of Guyana and the rest of the caribbean to conquer it. They've always insisted that Essequibo is theirs for centuries now. They don't share that believe about the rest of the caribbean/region.

Insisting something is yours, for 200 years after it's been internationally understood and accepted that it belongs to someone else, doesn't give you the right to try to take it by force simply because you think you can because you believe the people who rightfully own it can't physically stop you on their own.
Maduro is probably going to go the way Chavez went.

[MaxPower]

You Trinis kinda getting high on the horse….

T&T has nothing Maduro wants.

[Dohplaydat]

You Trinis kinda getting high on the horse….

T&T has nothing Maduro wants.

Actually, aside from our resources, taking Trinidad would enhance they access to key maritime routes in the Caribbean Sea. This has many benefits including both commercial shipping and naval strategy, allowing Venezuela to exert greater influence over regional sea lanes and potentially increase its maritime trade capabilities.

[paid_influencer]

guyana should have a referendum in Essequibo, to determine what the residents of the Essequibo want. and make sure they check valid votes only

[DMan7]

You Trinis kinda getting high on the horse….

T&T has nothing Maduro wants.

Actually, aside from our resources, taking Trinidad would enhance they access to key maritime routes in the Caribbean Sea. This has many benefits including both commercial shipping and naval strategy, allowing Venezuela to exert greater influence over regional sea lanes and potentially increase its maritime trade capabilities.

Lewwe hope Maduro don't read Tuner.

[Redress10]

You Trinis kinda getting high on the horse….

T&T has nothing Maduro wants.

Actually, aside from our resources, taking Trinidad would enhance they access to key maritime routes in the Caribbean Sea. This has many benefits including both commercial shipping and naval strategy, allowing Venezuela to exert greater influence over regional sea lanes and potentially increase its maritime trade capabilities.

What resources Trinidad has that 917000 km2 care about? I don't think Venezuela cares about the sea lanes and maritime capabilities that Trinidad has. Some of you all have a very high opinion of this tiny dot that isn't rooted in reality.

[Redress10]

This region has been in contention for nearly 200 years. It's not "sudden". Venezuela has always claimed it as theirs. This is not Maduro thinking it belongs to him but most venezuelans consider this piece of territory theirs. If they see the territory as theirs then they would view Guyana's exploration/extraction of the area as a threat to their economic wellbeing. Remember we talking about billions of resources to be extracted.

I think the biggest sticking point is US involvement in these operations. Especially with the recent revalations showing how much Guyana was losing to US companies because of their inexperience in the O/G industry. Remember, these south american countries are deeply anti imperialist so much so that the US etc plan orchestrate coups against their leaders and ppl. So on the one hand you sanctioning them and on the hand other you extracting "their" resources using Guyana as a kinda proxy.

I don't think Maduro and Venezuelans have imperialist intentions tbh. I don't see them caring that much about the 1/3 of Guyana and the rest of the caribbean to conquer it. They've always insisted that Essequibo is theirs for centuries now. They don't share that believe about the rest of the caribbean/region.

Insisting something is yours, for 200 years after it's been internationally understood and accepted that it belongs to someone else, doesn't give you the right to try to take it by force simply because you think you can because you believe the people who rightfully own it can't physically stop you on their own.
Maduro is probably going to go the way Chavez went.

Well the land was awarded to the British and not current Guyana as we know it. Venezuela has always regarded it as fraudulent and I think we can also agree that considering the influence of the British empire at the time maybe something fishy could have occured. So as much as I support Guyana, once again the british is at the heart of a conflict involving land and borders. I don't think it's a simple solution tbh.

[Dohplaydat]

You Trinis kinda getting high on the horse….

T&T has nothing Maduro wants.

Actually, aside from our resources, taking Trinidad would enhance they access to key maritime routes in the Caribbean Sea. This has many benefits including both commercial shipping and naval strategy, allowing Venezuela to exert greater influence over regional sea lanes and potentially increase its maritime trade capabilities.

What resources Trinidad has that 917000 km2 care about? I don't think Venezuela cares about the sea lanes and maritime capabilities that Trinidad has. Some of you all have a very high opinion of this tiny dot that isn't rooted in reality.

We do, we have pitch, and some decent oil and gas infrastructure, a few harbors and I was gonna say decent roads, but to be honest not really. But it's more of a maritime advantage, refuel, restock here. We're outside the hurricane belt remember.

[paid_influencer]

You Trinis kinda getting high on the horse….

T&T has nothing Maduro wants.

Actually, aside from our resources, taking Trinidad would enhance they access to key maritime routes in the Caribbean Sea. This has many benefits including both commercial shipping and naval strategy, allowing Venezuela to exert greater influence over regional sea lanes and potentially increase its maritime trade capabilities.

What resources Trinidad has that 917000 km2 care about? I don't think Venezuela cares about the sea lanes and maritime capabilities that Trinidad has. Some of you all have a very high opinion of this tiny dot that isn't rooted in reality.

we have doubles

[Rovin]

it never occurred to me to have reason to check but guyana population for their size is only 0.8mil compared to our 1.3mil, while vene is 30 million ...

[teems1]

You Trinis kinda getting high on the horse….

T&T has nothing Maduro wants.

Until his approval ratings before elections are going down.

Then restoring Trinidad to Venezuela's glory is the most important thing on the planet.

[Dohplaydat]

it never occurred to me to have reason to check but guyana population for their size is only 0.8mil compared to our 1.3mil, while vene is 30 million ...

There's probably more Guyanese outside than inside, also our population is closer to 1.5m now, with maybe 200-250k trinis living outside.

[triniterribletim]

it never occurred to me to have reason to check but guyana population for their size is only 0.8mil compared to our 1.3mil, while vene is 30 million ...

Most of Guyana is bush and underdeveloped, in South America, for major population centers, you tend to stick close to the coast. The interior of South America is largely empty, with a few large cities here and there where there might be resources.

[88sins]

You Trinis kinda getting high on the horse….

T&T has nothing Maduro wants.

Until his approval ratings before elections are going down.

Then restoring Trinidad to Venezuela's glory is the most important thing on the planet.

He didn't think about that potential aspect that Venezuelan politics have a part to play in all this.

[Alpha_2nr]

You Trinis kinda getting high on the horse….

T&T has nothing Maduro wants.

Until his approval ratings before elections are going down.

Then restoring Trinidad to Venezuela's glory is the most important thing on the planet.

He didn't think about that potential aspect that Venezuelan politics have a part to play in all this.

Correct, it's driven more as a land grab/show of force/vote pandering imho.

"Free real estate".

MaxPower, do better.

Elevate your thinking. Try to understand, or at least, see the larger picture, instead of sounding like a simple minded sufferer with a "gimme gimme" mentality.

[88sins]

You Trinis kinda getting high on the horse….

T&T has nothing Maduro wants.

Until his approval ratings before elections are going down.

Then restoring Trinidad to Venezuela's glory is the most important thing on the planet.

He didn't think about that potential aspect that Venezuelan politics have a part to play in all this.

Correct, it's driven more as a land grab/show of force/vote pandering imho.

"Free real estate".

MaxPower, do better.

Elevate your thinking. Try to understand, or at least, see the larger picture, instead of sounding like a simple minded sufferer with a "gimme gimme" mentality.

The politics is only one facet tho.
Oil reserves, potential gold reserves, a LOT of land with the possibility to add more shoreline to Venezuela and expand development of that region of their country.
The man has more than a few motivators for what he doing.

[paid_influencer]

if he didn't make a claim ppl would say he never make a claim after so long, so he woulda loss out on the claim but not making a claim

people speculating he going to invade with guns and soldiers but i think that jumping the gun rn

they would come to some agreement

[PariaMan]

Now hear on TV6 how the two presidents meeting in St Vincent

Another missed opportunity by the lazy man

Kamla was right when she called on him to mediate

[ed360123]

Now hear on TV6 how the two presidents meeting in St Vincent

Another missed opportunity by the lazy man

Kamla was right when she called on him to mediate

Link for those looking
https://www.barrons.com/news/guyana-venezuela-presidents-to-meet-thursday-on-border-row-d1f9bc02
Apparently Lula was also invited.

[The_Honourable]

Ralph Gonsalves will look good if he brokers some form of a peace deal.

Nah Rowley should not mediate as he would not be seen as neutral since we all know he needs that Dragon gas deal with Venezuela. A risk that T&T would end up looking like fools in front Caricom, OAS and the Commonwealth.

[paid_influencer]

Rowley negotiate a peace agreement?

Rowley? ??

[Cantmis]

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2023/12/09 ... s-warning/

“I convey my condolences to the people of Guyana and to the military forces; but that is a message from beyond. Don’t mess with Venezuela, whoever messes with Venezuela gets dried up,”

[ed360123]

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2023/12/09/news/guyana/maduro-condoles-over-helicopter-crash-issues-warning/

“I convey my condolences to the people of Guyana and to the military forces; but that is a message from beyond. Don’t mess with Venezuela, whoever messes with Venezuela gets dried up,”

Real Putin-esque statement there

[paid_influencer]

old fashioned saber-rattling

[88sins]

Ralph can "mediate" till he turns blue and start to look like papa smurf. It will achieve nothing.
Maduro knows, America is stretched thin already as it is between two major conflicts, wrt to both military and finances, so very little if any help will be coming to aid a Guyanese resistance. The uk will not commit to providing aid either, since right now their economy isn't what it used to be and British citizens will take the government to task for spending money on a conflict involving a former colony when many of their own are struggling. Historically, Britain takes care of Britain first, second, third and fourth.

I really sorry for Guyana, they are in for a rough time ahead.

[Chimera]

U feel they not gonna step in? Is exxonmobil interest we talking about here yunno.


Lewwe make a small bet.

I saying if venezuela take any military action against guyana that usa gonna step in quickly.

[Kickstart]

Ralph can "mediate" till he turns blue and start to look like papa smurf. It will achieve nothing.
Maduro knows, America is stretched thin already as it is between two major conflicts, wrt to both military and finances, so very little if any help will be coming to aid a Guyanese resistance. The uk will not commit to providing aid either, since right now their economy isn't what it used to be and British citizens will take the government to task for spending money on a conflict involving a former colony when many of their own are struggling. Historically, Britain takes care of Britain first, second, third and fourth.

I really sorry for Guyana, they are in for a rough time ahead.

You on point but note.

The UK will not take part in the Guyana conflict as they see it as a black country and nothing in it for them.

At the moment, they are busy secretly fighting Hamas with aiding Zionists jews & Ukraine.

[Dohplaydat]

Ralph can "mediate" till he turns blue and start to look like papa smurf. It will achieve nothing.
Maduro knows, America is stretched thin already as it is between two major conflicts, wrt to both military and finances, so very little if any help will be coming to aid a Guyanese resistance. The uk will not commit to providing aid either, since right now their economy isn't what it used to be and British citizens will take the government to task for spending money on a conflict involving a former colony when many of their own are struggling. Historically, Britain takes care of Britain first, second, third and fourth.

I really sorry for Guyana, they are in for a rough time ahead.

Venezuela is nothing for the US to take on. Britain has no real army as well. But the US would love an excuse to go in and look dominant here

[paid_influencer]

Ralph can "mediate" till he turns blue and start to look like papa smurf. It will achieve nothing.
Maduro knows, America is stretched thin already as it is between two major conflicts, wrt to both military and finances, so very little if any help will be coming to aid a Guyanese resistance. The uk will not commit to providing aid either, since right now their economy isn't what it used to be and British citizens will take the government to task for spending money on a conflict involving a former colony when many of their own are struggling. Historically, Britain takes care of Britain first, second, third and fourth.

I really sorry for Guyana, they are in for a rough time ahead.

Venezuela is nothing for the US to take on. Britain has no real army as well. But the US would love an excuse to go in and look dominant here

i donno. Nobody want to send their children to fight in dense tropical jungle. Guyana lost a helicopter already, before anything even start.

[Dohplaydat]

Ralph can "mediate" till he turns blue and start to look like papa smurf. It will achieve nothing.
Maduro knows, America is stretched thin already as it is between two major conflicts, wrt to both military and finances, so very little if any help will be coming to aid a Guyanese resistance. The uk will not commit to providing aid either, since right now their economy isn't what it used to be and British citizens will take the government to task for spending money on a conflict involving a former colony when many of their own are struggling. Historically, Britain takes care of Britain first, second, third and fourth.

I really sorry for Guyana, they are in for a rough time ahead.

Venezuela is nothing for the US to take on. Britain has no real army as well. But the US would love an excuse to go in and look dominant here

i donno. Nobody want to send their children to fight in dense tropical jungle. Guyana lost a helicopter already, before anything even start.

The US needs badly to look strong right now. They can easily over power Venezuela in a week.

It's actually for the best if MADuro tries to invade, Russia and China can help but they'll lose given the logistics of supporting them from so far. It won't make sense for them to help.

But if MADuro just threatens but no action is taken then Venezuela can ruin the ExxonMobil deal or delay it, driving up oil prices to help Russia and the middle east.