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toyolink wrote:Mr Eugene Tiah's response to enquiries by the media supports the view that the gas supply failure originated from NGC and as such questions need to be asked of the company.
Actually PPGPL does not supply gas to any consumer since they are provided 'unprocessed gas' by NGC and after the removal of specific elements they return the now 'cleaned-up' gas to NGC who is the suppliers of natural gas to all domestic consumers.
Its also important to note NGC owns the 'controlling' interest in PPGPL but the operating stds in the plant are set by CONOCO who has a 39% share holding.
Claims from consumers arising from failure of NGC to supply and direct damages suffered by plant and equipment are almost certainly being computed even by PPGPL, and the numbers would continue to be unavailable for public consumption, because the media has always been weak at understanding things related to this industry.
I am always amazed at how little the public knows about the main driver of our economy and that even includes the majority of people employed by same.
Why should we concern ourselves ?
The simple response is that we are now about to face the down-side of failing supply conditions and remedial action which should have been initiated some 5-10 yrs ago was never given the attention it deserved.
All new investors in gas based plants would insist on warrantied supply conditions and this is probably not doable at least for the next 5 yrs, possibly shorter only if we get BP to play ball.
pioneer wrote:UML wrote:wagonrunner wrote:Crackpot wrote:P.P alone know bout Technology, Maths, Law and how to run cuntry
Them, their affilaites, and their defenders
still think that better than the PNM's policy
pioneer wrote:UML wrote:wagonrunner wrote:Crackpot wrote:P.P alone know bout Technology, Maths, Law and how to run cuntry
Them, their affilaites, and their defenders
still think that better than the PNM's policy
UML wrote:Aaron 2NR wrote:http://go-jamaica.com/news/read_article.php?id=43782
dat strange, all this time i was thinking sabotage or human error...cause I would think that there would be control measures and alarms or warning lights in a control room warning the controller that the fuel level was reaching disastrous levels.
Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:toyolink wrote:Mr Eugene Tiah's response to enquiries by the media supports the view that the gas supply failure originated from NGC and as such questions need to be asked of the company.
Actually PPGPL does not supply gas to any consumer since they are provided 'unprocessed gas' by NGC and after the removal of specific elements they return the now 'cleaned-up' gas to NGC who is the suppliers of natural gas to all domestic consumers.
Its also important to note NGC owns the 'controlling' interest in PPGPL but the operating stds in the plant are set by CONOCO who has a 39% share holding.
Claims from consumers arising from failure of NGC to supply and direct damages suffered by plant and equipment are almost certainly being computed even by PPGPL, and the numbers would continue to be unavailable for public consumption, because the media has always been weak at understanding things related to this industry.
I am always amazed at how little the public knows about the main driver of our economy and that even includes the majority of people employed by same.
Why should we concern ourselves ?
The simple response is that we are now about to face the down-side of failing supply conditions and remedial action which should have been initiated some 5-10 yrs ago was never given the attention it deserved.
All new investors in gas based plants would insist on warrantied supply conditions and this is probably not doable at least for the next 5 yrs, possibly shorter only if we get BP to play ball.
The remedial action you speak of has to do with maintenance work on emergency systems? Info I received from a PPGPL employee points to bypass valves owned by NGC not functioning in the event that PPGPL tripped. Or are you talking about what would have lead to PPGPL tripping in the first place?
pugboy wrote:powergen have to take some licks too,
it is alleged that their turbine start backup battery systems were not fully charged
hence the very long restart time
pete wrote:From my own experience, the gas quality has not changed significantly in the past five years.
The truth behind what caused this may never become public but hopefully whoever messed up will be made to put things in place to ensure that doesn't happen again.
toyolink wrote:Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:toyolink wrote:Mr Eugene Tiah's response to enquiries by the media supports the view that the gas supply failure originated from NGC and as such questions need to be asked of the company.
Actually PPGPL does not supply gas to any consumer since they are provided 'unprocessed gas' by NGC and after the removal of specific elements they return the now 'cleaned-up' gas to NGC who is the suppliers of natural gas to all domestic consumers.
Its also important to note NGC owns the 'controlling' interest in PPGPL but the operating stds in the plant are set by CONOCO who has a 39% share holding.
Claims from consumers arising from failure of NGC to supply and direct damages suffered by plant and equipment are almost certainly being computed even by PPGPL, and the numbers would continue to be unavailable for public consumption, because the media has always been weak at understanding things related to this industry.
I am always amazed at how little the public knows about the main driver of our economy and that even includes the majority of people employed by same.
Why should we concern ourselves ?
The simple response is that we are now about to face the down-side of failing supply conditions and remedial action which should have been initiated some 5-10 yrs ago was never given the attention it deserved.
All new investors in gas based plants would insist on warrantied supply conditions and this is probably not doable at least for the next 5 yrs, possibly shorter only if we get BP to play ball.
The remedial action you speak of has to do with maintenance work on emergency systems? Info I received from a PPGPL employee points to bypass valves owned by NGC not functioning in the event that PPGPL tripped. Or are you talking about what would have lead to PPGPL tripping in the first place?
The bypass valves many individuals employed in the industry refer to are in most cases part of an emergency 'shut-down' system which operates based on preset tolerances.
In cases where the gas supply deviates significantly in terms of quality or pressure so as to make this energy source out of usable range automated by-pass systems will defer to shut-down devices and in these cases manual by-pass applications become extremely dangerous to people and plant.My view is that what NGC is faced with is failing gas supplies from producing wells that have pasted prime and now the quality of gas is at the bottom of the acceptable range yielding unusual pressure and quality delivery characteristics.
The trick in the natural gas game is to bring online new producing resevoirs on a timely basis to head off this risk and this is where we have failed.After the failure of IBIS things just went flat with only some small producer wells which dont make a dent with draw-downs inexcess of 1 billion cubic feet per day at least.
A couple of known facts today are as follows;
-BP's Trinidad and Tobago gas assets in total are its most profitable.
-At this time BP's cost to produce a unit of gas in Trinidad and Tobago maybe the highest of all its producing assets.This is simply because BP operating cost to maximise production from aging wells is becoming problematic.
-BP the back bone supplier in this country,in light of their problems emanating from the Gulf fiasco are themselves with their back against the wall.
People here would have you believe that PPGPL never trip before! PPGPL processes almost all of the gas that is used by the companies on the estate including Powergen. A plant by its very nature/design WILL trip from time to time. PPGPL's bypass valves' failure to open and continue to supply gas to the estate is indicative of a failure of some system at PPGPL. A system in MANUAL control for example. wagonrunner wrote:pete wrote:From my own experience, the gas quality has not changed significantly in the past five years.
The truth behind what caused this may never become public but hopefully whoever messed up will be made to put things in place to ensure that doesn't happen again.
not as simple as keeping Kamliar off d premises?
UML wrote:Aaron 2NR wrote:http://go-jamaica.com/news/read_article.php?id=43782
dat strange, all this time i was thinking sabotage or human error...cause I would think that there would be control measures and alarms or warning lights in a control room warning the controller that the fuel level was reaching disastrous levels.The Express spoke to an industry insider familiar with NGC operations and supply to PPGP on Friday, who said the problem occurred when a pressure valve malfunctioned and shut down.
“When that happens, there are three critical bypass valves that are supposed to open and allow untreated gas to flow through the pipelines to supply consumers. The gas may be untreated but it is still usable,” the source said.
What happened, however, was that all three of the valves failed to open automatically. NGC was immediately informed of the malfunction through electronic monitoring systems and crews were dispatched to open the valves manually.
brams112 wrote:Most people don't even know what it takes to move natural gas from point a to point b,it may be a problem with a compressor,maybe a filter,anything.
rfari wrote:Anyone check the exif data on the pics for the time?
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