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Who do you believe will win General Elections 2025?

Poll ended at April 28th, 2025, 9:17 pm

People's National Movement (PNM)
23
48%
United National Congress (UNC) + Coalition of Interests (PEP, COP, OWTU, LOVE)
21
44%
Patriotic Front (PF)
2
4%
Tie/Deadlock
2
4%
 
Total votes: 48

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Re: *** The 2025 GENERAL ELECTION thread***

Postby Redress10 » April 27th, 2025, 12:02 pm

hover11 wrote:This is my thing and I don't see the logic we gave PNM two chances to get it right why pn earth would we give them a 3rd chance to do more or less the same which was the bare minimum. Anybody look around this month of April was the hardest we ever see PNM actually work.
pugboy wrote:like all the pollsters fraid to come out and make a prediction

Redress10 wrote:What's the final predictions fellas?


What you not getting is this. As bad as the PNM is, nobody is convinced that Kamla and her coalition is any better. That should make you feel very afraid. This should be a landslide victory for UNC but again it is still unconvincing. All those times they wasted time in parliament by walking out and other antics they should have been preparing for government.

The country still hasn't gotten a manifesto from the UNC. So what do they actually intend to achieve in government? Ppl such as you love all the benefits of socialism but none of the costs.

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Re: *** The 2025 GENERAL ELECTION thread***

Postby hover11 » April 27th, 2025, 12:07 pm

Redress10 wrote:
hover11 wrote:This is my thing and I don't see the logic we gave PNM two chances to get it right why pn earth would we give them a 3rd chance to do more or less the same which was the bare minimum. Anybody look around this month of April was the hardest we ever see PNM actually work.
pugboy wrote:like all the pollsters fraid to come out and make a prediction

Redress10 wrote:What's the final predictions fellas?


What you not getting is this. As bad as the PNM is, nobody is convinced that Kamla and her coalition is any better. That should make you feel very afraid. This should be a landslide victory for UNC but again it is still unconvincing. All those times they wasted time in parliament by walking out and other antics they should have been preparing for government.

The country still hasn't gotten a manifesto from the UNC. So what do they actually intend to achieve in government? Ppl such as you love all the benefits of socialism but none of the costs.
In a national view of things, the PNM has left a lot to be desired. I want a change now for the country in general. 10 years is enough in my view.

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Re: *** The 2025 GENERAL ELECTION thread***

Postby paid_influencer » April 27th, 2025, 12:10 pm

MSJ Statement on GE 2025

very comprehensive, recommend watching before you vote


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Postby The_Honourable » April 27th, 2025, 1:17 pm

I've noticed the following:

Normally, on social media many would laugh at kamla and the unc for being weak with an old leader. This has been so for years.

Over the past week or two the laughing stopped for the most part. Now the comments on social media have turned vile towards her. This is happening the same time Kamla gathered momentum over the last 2 weeks to the point she is within striking distance to win. The state of panic and being proven wrong if she wins is now real.

Releasing their manifesto into "minifestos" on social media with a front-page cover on the express for the past week is very smart. The theme "When UNC wins, everybody wins" is a political hit, just like "We've come too far to turn back now" campaign theme for 2000 general elections.

IMHO Stuart's momentum has stalled but hasn't declined. The campaign theme "All In" is actually good but not hitting like "Let's do this" and "I must believe". Older themes from the 90's are mostly being used and I noticed they are not using any of the 2020 themes, i'm guessing not to remind anyone about Rowley's leadership.

Additionally, the party membership still fighting personally with themselves to vote for someone that was selected by Rowley and not elected by the membership.

If Kamla actually wins tomorrow night, the froth and gnashing of teeth will be a sight to behold. All the naysayers and haters will be proven wrong where they will either go silent or enter a state of derangement.

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Postby paid_influencer » April 27th, 2025, 1:23 pm

daring dragoon wrote:the pnm have a trend that just before election that they win you would find plenty RTA deaths and see plenty dead dogs getting knocked down. so far i have not see this with 1 more day to go so people be careful today today on your movements on the roads. with no sacrifice this election i want to see if pnm will lose.


this is the new highway they opened supposedly


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Postby Redress10 » April 27th, 2025, 1:32 pm

The_Honourable wrote:I've noticed the following:

Normally, on social media many would laugh at kamla and the unc for being weak with an old leader. This has been so for years.

Over the past week or two the laughing stopped for the most part. Now the comments on social media have turned vile towards her. This is happening the same time Kamla gathered momentum over the last 2 weeks to the point she is within striking distance to win. The state of panic and being proven wrong if she wins is now real.

Releasing their manifesto into "minifestos" on social media with a front-page cover on the express for the past week is very smart. The theme "When UNC wins, everybody wins" is a political hit, just like "We've come too far to turn back now" campaign theme for 2000 general elections.

IMHO Stuart's momentum has stalled but hasn't declined. The campaign theme "All In" is actually good but not hitting like "Let's do this" and "I must believe". Older themes from the 90's are mostly being used and I noticed they are not using any of the 2020 themes, i'm guessing not to remind anyone about Rowley's leadership.

Additionally, the party membership still fighting personally with themselves to vote for someone that was selected by Rowley and not elected by the membership.

If Kamla actually wins tomorrow night, the froth and gnashing of teeth will be a sight to behold. All the naysayers and haters will be proven wrong where they will either go silent or enter a state of derangement.


I think Stewart gets the swing voters. I think internally PNM is fully behind Stuart. Tobago is still the wildcard. I think a large swath of voters will swing away from Kamla cause she represents the past now. She's one of the last remaining ones.

Just imagine that Kamla has been in politics since the days of NAR. She stayed too long to offer anything new to the people.

PNM still showed that they could pull a crowd after 10 years. We have never seen a political party this strong after two terms since Eric Williams days. Normally these parties collapse after first term or midway through the second.

The fact that the PNM can possibly pull off a third consecutive term is a sad indictment on Kamla. The race shouldn't be this close.

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Re: *** The 2025 GENERAL ELECTION thread***

Postby paid_influencer » April 27th, 2025, 1:47 pm

how you reach "Stewart" bai. the man name is Stuwatee

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Re: *** The 2025 GENERAL ELECTION thread***

Postby hover11 » April 27th, 2025, 1:49 pm

Stuart is a NATO leader.....No action talk ONLY
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Postby Redress10 » April 27th, 2025, 1:50 pm

hover11 wrote:Stuart is a NATO leader.....No action all talk


This makes no sense

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Postby paid_influencer » April 27th, 2025, 1:57 pm

imagine the history books...

"this is Stuwatee, our first prime minister by appointment. His first act as prime minister was to dissolve parliament and call a snap election, which he lost."

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Postby eliteauto » April 27th, 2025, 1:59 pm

Redress10 wrote:What's the final predictions fellas?


23-18

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Postby The_Honourable » April 27th, 2025, 2:00 pm

Redress10 wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:I've noticed the following:

Normally, on social media many would laugh at kamla and the unc for being weak with an old leader. This has been so for years.

Over the past week or two the laughing stopped for the most part. Now the comments on social media have turned vile towards her. This is happening the same time Kamla gathered momentum over the last 2 weeks to the point she is within striking distance to win. The state of panic and being proven wrong if she wins is now real.

Releasing their manifesto into "minifestos" on social media with a front-page cover on the express for the past week is very smart. The theme "When UNC wins, everybody wins" is a political hit, just like "We've come too far to turn back now" campaign theme for 2000 general elections.

IMHO Stuart's momentum has stalled but hasn't declined. The campaign theme "All In" is actually good but not hitting like "Let's do this" and "I must believe". Older themes from the 90's are mostly being used and I noticed they are not using any of the 2020 themes, i'm guessing not to remind anyone about Rowley's leadership.

Additionally, the party membership still fighting personally with themselves to vote for someone that was selected by Rowley and not elected by the membership.

If Kamla actually wins tomorrow night, the froth and gnashing of teeth will be a sight to behold. All the naysayers and haters will be proven wrong where they will either go silent or enter a state of derangement.


I think Stewart gets the swing voters. I think internally PNM is fully behind Stuart. Tobago is still the wildcard. I think a large swath of voters will swing away from Kamla cause she represents the past now. She's one of the last remaining ones.

Just imagine that Kamla has been in politics since the days of NAR. She stayed too long to offer anything new to the people.

PNM still showed that they could pull a crowd after 10 years. We have never seen a political party this strong after two terms since Eric Williams days. Normally these parties collapse after first term or midway through the second.

The fact that the PNM can possibly pull off a third consecutive term is a sad indictment on Kamla. The race shouldn't be this close.


The Young vs Old and Past vs Future arguments are factors. The thing is, many people felt they had it better under Kamla's tenure. Can Stuart really prove today that his administration would be different and better than Rowley's administration which he was a big part off?

Crowd sizes is good PR but we all know that the government of the day usually bus in many persons who really don't want to be there. This is usually cepep gangs and persons from poor communities who are "encouraged" by "community leaders" to attend.

By the way, what is your opinion if Kamla actually wins?

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Postby Redress10 » April 27th, 2025, 2:03 pm

paid_influencer wrote:imagine the history books...

"this is Stuwatee, our first prime minister by appointment. His first act as prime minister was to dissolve parliament and call a snap election, which he lost."


What if he wins...?

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Redress10 wrote:What's the final predictions fellas?


30-9-2

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Postby Redress10 » April 27th, 2025, 2:08 pm

The_Honourable wrote:
Redress10 wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:I've noticed the following:

Normally, on social media many would laugh at kamla and the unc for being weak with an old leader. This has been so for years.

Over the past week or two the laughing stopped for the most part. Now the comments on social media have turned vile towards her. This is happening the same time Kamla gathered momentum over the last 2 weeks to the point she is within striking distance to win. The state of panic and being proven wrong if she wins is now real.

Releasing their manifesto into "minifestos" on social media with a front-page cover on the express for the past week is very smart. The theme "When UNC wins, everybody wins" is a political hit, just like "We've come too far to turn back now" campaign theme for 2000 general elections.

IMHO Stuart's momentum has stalled but hasn't declined. The campaign theme "All In" is actually good but not hitting like "Let's do this" and "I must believe". Older themes from the 90's are mostly being used and I noticed they are not using any of the 2020 themes, i'm guessing not to remind anyone about Rowley's leadership.

Additionally, the party membership still fighting personally with themselves to vote for someone that was selected by Rowley and not elected by the membership.

If Kamla actually wins tomorrow night, the froth and gnashing of teeth will be a sight to behold. All the naysayers and haters will be proven wrong where they will either go silent or enter a state of derangement.


I think Stewart gets the swing voters. I think internally PNM is fully behind Stuart. Tobago is still the wildcard. I think a large swath of voters will swing away from Kamla cause she represents the past now. She's one of the last remaining ones.

Just imagine that Kamla has been in politics since the days of NAR. She stayed too long to offer anything new to the people.

PNM still showed that they could pull a crowd after 10 years. We have never seen a political party this strong after two terms since Eric Williams days. Normally these parties collapse after first term or midway through the second.

The fact that the PNM can possibly pull off a third consecutive term is a sad indictment on Kamla. The race shouldn't be this close.


The Young vs Old and Past vs Future arguments are factors. The thing is, many people felt they had it better under Kamla's tenure. Can Stuart really prove today that his administration would be different and better than Rowley's administration which he was a big part off?

Crowd sizes is good PR but we all know that the government of the day usually bus in many persons who really don't want to be there. This is usually cepep gangs and persons from poor communities who are "encouraged" by "community leaders" to attend.

By the way, what is your opinion if Kamla actually wins?


I think she's a lame duck if she wins. She's not physically able to do the job. Is she going to be bedridden as PM? So we looking at having an absentee pm for 5 years and possibly 10 if she goes up for reelection? I think her deteriorating health is a disqualifier. She is our local Joe Biden at this point. If she was younger and able I would support her 100% but from what I have been told from various sources her health has seriously deteriorated to the point that day to day activities are strenous etc.

I don't think we should elect someone in that sort of position when there are alternatives. This election may force her to retire and give UNC a fresh start if she loses.

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Re: *** The 2025 GENERAL ELECTION thread***

Postby The_Honourable » April 27th, 2025, 2:18 pm

paid_influencer wrote:
Redress10 wrote:What's the final predictions fellas?


30-9-2


Paid...

Kamla at her political height in 2010 got 29...

30 yuh saying?

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Postby Mmoney607 » April 27th, 2025, 2:20 pm

Why all this desperation from Redress10

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Postby paid_influencer » April 27th, 2025, 2:20 pm

in 2010 the pnm had an afro-trinidadian leader

in 2025 everything
EVERYTHING
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Postby Redress10 » April 27th, 2025, 2:22 pm

paid_influencer wrote:
Redress10 wrote:What's the final predictions fellas?


30-9-2


The most anyone getting is 23 and that is a stretch. This election feeling like 18-18 again.

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Postby Redress10 » April 27th, 2025, 2:39 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:Why all this desperation from Redress10


Look at it this way. Even with a rebranding from yellow to blue, social media trolls etc, coalition with various political parties, psa etc the UNC still isn't the overwhelming favourite to win this election.

Some of you are seriously underestiminating the PNM. When last the PNM spent two terms in opposition? PNM lost the Tobago elections but Farley etc hasn't been able to capitalize on that. The UNC allow tobagonians to chain them up and keep them out of Tobago affairs. Unc used to field candidates in Tobago and have Tobago senators etc. Unc has regressed as a national political party whilst the PNM keeps making more in roads. So they might lose some votes but they picking up votes elsewhere.

Alot of you all are counting traditional pnm votes but I think they have increased votes from other non traditional people etc.

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Postby pugboy » April 27th, 2025, 2:49 pm

you keep saying PNM has made inroads, what inroads ?
by and large its the same ppl who get the same gravy over and over
does the PNM recruiting a bunch of UNC Indo quitters count as inroads to votes ?
doubt that a unc person will switch their vote to pnm because dinesh/anita jumped ship
likewise a person who not too interested in either party is unlike to sudden decide to vote for a party because he see they grab somebody of little consequence from the opposition

does that "inroads" counter the many who are genuinely fedup of the crime and hard times ?
and that many is across the board, not the singular "swing" vote ppl keep harping on

in todays world the term swing vote is a very broad term and covers a wide range of subjects
when things were nice and money was flowing, maybe swing vote had a narrow meaning, eg those who didnt want to vote for pnm or unc were going to switch their vote to cop
but that is not the case now, dynamics are much different economically and more


Redress10 wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Why all this desperation from Redress10


Look at it this way. Even with a rebranding from yellow to blue, social media trolls etc, coalition with various political parties, psa etc the UNC still isn't the overwhelming favourite to win this election.

Some of you are seriously underestiminating the PNM. When last the PNM spent two terms in opposition? PNM lost the Tobago elections but Farley etc hasn't been able to capitalize on that. The UNC allow tobagonians to chain them up and keep them out of Tobago affairs. Unc used to field candidates in Tobago and have Tobago senators etc. Unc has regressed as a national political party whilst the PNM keeps making more in roads. So they might lose some votes but they picking up votes elsewhere.

Alot of you all are counting traditional pnm votes but I think they have increased votes from other non traditional people etc.

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Postby redmanjp » April 27th, 2025, 2:52 pm

bluefete wrote:
hover11 wrote:Rain or sun de PNM working in the last 10 days what they failed to do in 10 years. It truly is amazing to see that they had the ability all this time to perform but simply chose not to


LOLZ. A bunch of lights were not working for 4 months on a playground by me. They came and fixed them day before yesterday.

Marginal again.


Eastern part of d Arima Old Road had pothole and a few places where wasa dig up and left it so. It get patch this week.

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Postby redmanjp » April 27th, 2025, 2:57 pm

The_Honourable wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:
Redress10 wrote:What's the final predictions fellas?


30-9-2


Paid...

Kamla at her political height in 2010 got 29...

30 yuh saying?


I doh understand that when it have 17 parties going up for elections. How much splitting of votes going to happen?

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Postby Supra GT-FOUR » April 27th, 2025, 3:13 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:Why all this desperation from Redress10
He is a propagandist that's why. 11th hour business

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Postby Redress10 » April 27th, 2025, 3:19 pm

pugboy wrote:you keep saying PNM has made inroads, what inroads ?
by and large its the same ppl who get the same gravy over and over
does the PNM recruiting a bunch of UNC Indo quitters count as inroads to votes ?
doubt that a unc person will switch their vote to pnm because dinesh/anita jumped ship
likewise a person who not too interested in either party is unlike to sudden decide to vote for a party because he see they grab somebody of little consequence from the opposition

does that "inroads" counter the many who are genuinely fedup of the crime and hard times ?
and that many is across the board, not the singular "swing" vote ppl keep harping on

in todays world the term swing vote is a very broad term and covers a wide range of subjects
when things were nice and money was flowing, maybe swing vote had a narrow meaning, eg those who didnt want to vote for pnm or unc were going to switch their vote to cop
but that is not the case now, dynamics are much different economically and more


Redress10 wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Why all this desperation from Redress10


Look at it this way. Even with a rebranding from yellow to blue, social media trolls etc, coalition with various political parties, psa etc the UNC still isn't the overwhelming favourite to win this election.

Some of you are seriously underestiminating the PNM. When last the PNM spent two terms in opposition? PNM lost the Tobago elections but Farley etc hasn't been able to capitalize on that. The UNC allow tobagonians to chain them up and keep them out of Tobago affairs. Unc used to field candidates in Tobago and have Tobago senators etc. Unc has regressed as a national political party whilst the PNM keeps making more in roads. So they might lose some votes but they picking up votes elsewhere.

Alot of you all are counting traditional pnm votes but I think they have increased votes from other non traditional people etc.


Pug

By inroads I don't mean new constituencies. I mean constituencies that may have been marginal before but are now firmly PNM with widening gaps. Places such as San Do West may have been marginals but I think they could be counted as PNM safe seats now etc.

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Postby paid_influencer » April 27th, 2025, 3:22 pm

these are the inroads redress mentioned
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Postby hover11 » April 27th, 2025, 3:28 pm

Supra GT-FOUR wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Why all this desperation from Redress10
He is a propagandist that's why. 11th hour business
Allya hadda remember he wukin overtime right now he hadda get ppl to vote for PNM...

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Postby Gladiator » April 27th, 2025, 4:01 pm

Redress10 wrote:Some of you all underestimwting the anti Kamla vote that coming Monday


Luckily they all in the UNC safe seats so those wont matter at all

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Postby Gladiator » April 27th, 2025, 4:12 pm

hover11 wrote:
Supra GT-FOUR wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Why all this desperation from Redress10
He is a propagandist that's why. 11th hour business
Allya hadda remember he wukin overtime right now he hadda get ppl to vote for PNM...


Reddress didn't meet his quota... he have to work till the very end. Poor guy

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Postby Redress10 » April 27th, 2025, 4:54 pm

Gladiator wrote:
hover11 wrote:
Supra GT-FOUR wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:Why all this desperation from Redress10
He is a propagandist that's why. 11th hour business
Allya hadda remember he wukin overtime right now he hadda get ppl to vote for PNM...


Reddress didn't meet his quota... he have to work till the very end. Poor guy


Alluh soft inside here or something? Is either we predicting the elections or not. I laying out my points

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