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Mmoney607 wrote:adnj wrote:Clear up for me your argument why old people should take a vaccine but no one else should. While you're working that out, how about arguing for what is an acceptable number of dead? What is an acceptable economic cost? Health care burden? Why not just let it burn through the population? What stop flooding? Why offer free education?Mmoney607 wrote:De Dragon wrote:So, old and comorbid could dead, because they were close to their life expectancy anyways? Anti vax and anti ethics too! What's next for the Anti Vax League?
No one on here ever said that old people should not get vaccinated. We are big proponents for people in the at risk categories for serious outcomes from covid getting vaccinated. Not children, not people with natural immunity and no one who does not want it on their own volition.
I can keep this up for a while...
The vaccines are meant to prevent serious illness and death. The vast majority of people not at risk for either. We have massive amounts of data to show who is at risk. Mass vaccination while infections are raging will pull the virus under pressure to mutate. While politicians and others groups use the vaccine to divide and control.
Mmoney607 wrote:adnj wrote:Clear up for me your argument why old people should take a vaccine but no one else should. While you're working that out, how about arguing for what is an acceptable number of dead? What is an acceptable economic cost? Health care burden? Why not just let it burn through the population? What stop flooding? Why offer free education?Mmoney607 wrote:De Dragon wrote:So, old and comorbid could dead, because they were close to their life expectancy anyways? Anti vax and anti ethics too! What's next for the Anti Vax League?
No one on here ever said that old people should not get vaccinated. We are big proponents for people in the at risk categories for serious outcomes from covid getting vaccinated. Not children, not people with natural immunity and no one who does not want it on their own volition.
I can keep this up for a while...
The vaccines are meant to prevent serious illness and death. The vast majority of people not at risk for either. We have massive amounts of data to show who is at risk. Mass vaccination while infections are raging will pull the virus under pressure to mutate. While politicians and others groups use the vaccine to divide and control.
adnj wrote:^ Laminate to operate.
hover11 wrote:This country has to be under a spell.The 17 year old who was rushed to the ER due to anaphylaxis after taking the Pfizer vaccine released a video. Her body was shutting down after taking the shot yet she not discouraging anyone from taking it. Then stating she still taking the second one. Well what don't kill will make you stronger I guess.
https://www.facebook.com/18499923208319 ... 344425979/
Kenjo wrote:hover11 wrote:This country has to be under a spell.The 17 year old who was rushed to the ER due to anaphylaxis after taking the Pfizer vaccine released a video. Her body was shutting down after taking the shot yet she not discouraging anyone from taking it. Then stating she still taking the second one. Well what don't kill will make you stronger I guess.
https://www.facebook.com/18499923208319 ... 344425979/
How many other children took it and normal so far ? She will have to see an immunologist to determine if she can take the second shot . That’s all
How about a new vaccine card? How about a video of you displaying your vaccination card? Use a clear, plastic document sleeve? Or better yet, a government sanctioned app sometime in the future after they get LINX machines working in all the government cashier's booths?pugboy wrote:so what happen if time to get more vax and the card laminated ?adnj wrote:^ Laminate to operate.
adnj wrote:How about a new vaccine card? How about a video of you displaying your vaccination card? Use a clear, plastic document sleeve? Or better yet, a government sanctioned app sometime in the future after they get LINX machines working in all the government cashier's booths?pugboy wrote:so what happen if time to get more vax and the card laminated ?adnj wrote:^ Laminate to operate.
supercharged turbo wrote:Side question-Anybody know where giving AZ and Sino first shot tomorrow?Preferably Central
Kenjo wrote:hover11 wrote:This country has to be under a spell.The 17 year old who was rushed to the ER due to anaphylaxis after taking the Pfizer vaccine released a video. Her body was shutting down after taking the shot yet she not discouraging anyone from taking it. Then stating she still taking the second one. Well what don't kill will make you stronger I guess.
https://www.facebook.com/18499923208319 ... 344425979/
How many other children took it and normal so far ? She will have to see an immunologist to determine if she can take the second shot . That’s all
Test case.shake d livin wake d dead wrote:THE Banking, Insurance and General Workers Union (BIGWU) has warned Republic Bank (RBL) that unless it withdraws its proposed policy to bring workers back to their offices on September 6, it will initiate legal action against the bank.
One of the aspects of this policy which BIGWU is opposed to is a requirement for unvaccinated workers to pay in full or in part for PCR tests required by the bank for them to return to work.
In a statement issued on Friday, BIGWU second vice-president Jason Brown said if the bank does not respond favourably by 10 am on August 23, the union will instruct its lawyers to begin action to "restrain the bank from its unilateral imposition of this policy."
While the union does not want to pursue legal action against RBL, Brown said, it "will do so if it is compelled to do so by the bank’s intransigence."
Referring to proposals previously mentioned by the bank to ensure its staff are protected against covid19 when they return to their offices, Brown said BIGWU continues to object to "the requirement that workers pay (in part or in full) for the PCR tests required by the bank, the quantum of the ex-gratia payment offered by the bank to vaccinated workers,the threat or use of disciplinary action against workers to influence compliance with the bank’s policy and wider issues involving the unilateral implementation of new terms and conditions that the policy promotes, inclusive but not limited to fundamental breaches of contract."
Kenjo wrote:hover11 wrote:This country has to be under a spell.The 17 year old who was rushed to the ER due to anaphylaxis after taking the Pfizer vaccine released a video. Her body was shutting down after taking the shot yet she not discouraging anyone from taking it. Then stating she still taking the second one. Well what don't kill will make you stronger I guess.
https://www.facebook.com/18499923208319 ... 344425979/
How many other children took it and normal so far ? She will have to see an immunologist to determine if she can take the second shot . That’s all
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:THE Banking, Insurance and General Workers Union (BIGWU) has warned Republic Bank (RBL) that unless it withdraws its proposed policy to bring workers back to their offices on September 6, it will initiate legal action against the bank.
One of the aspects of this policy which BIGWU is opposed to is a requirement for unvaccinated workers to pay in full or in part for PCR tests required by the bank for them to return to work.
In a statement issued on Friday, BIGWU second vice-president Jason Brown said if the bank does not respond favourably by 10 am on August 23, the union will instruct its lawyers to begin action to "restrain the bank from its unilateral imposition of this policy."
While the union does not want to pursue legal action against RBL, Brown said, it "will do so if it is compelled to do so by the bank’s intransigence."
Referring to proposals previously mentioned by the bank to ensure its staff are protected against covid19 when they return to their offices, Brown said BIGWU continues to object to "the requirement that workers pay (in part or in full) for the PCR tests required by the bank, the quantum of the ex-gratia payment offered by the bank to vaccinated workers,the threat or use of disciplinary action against workers to influence compliance with the bank’s policy and wider issues involving the unilateral implementation of new terms and conditions that the policy promotes, inclusive but not limited to fundamental breaches of contract."
timothymcdavid wrote:shake d livin wake d dead wrote:THE Banking, Insurance and General Workers Union (BIGWU) has warned Republic Bank (RBL) that unless it withdraws its proposed policy to bring workers back to their offices on September 6, it will initiate legal action against the bank.
One of the aspects of this policy which BIGWU is opposed to is a requirement for unvaccinated workers to pay in full or in part for PCR tests required by the bank for them to return to work.
In a statement issued on Friday, BIGWU second vice-president Jason Brown said if the bank does not respond favourably by 10 am on August 23, the union will instruct its lawyers to begin action to "restrain the bank from its unilateral imposition of this policy."
While the union does not want to pursue legal action against RBL, Brown said, it "will do so if it is compelled to do so by the bank’s intransigence."
Referring to proposals previously mentioned by the bank to ensure its staff are protected against covid19 when they return to their offices, Brown said BIGWU continues to object to "the requirement that workers pay (in part or in full) for the PCR tests required by the bank, the quantum of the ex-gratia payment offered by the bank to vaccinated workers,the threat or use of disciplinary action against workers to influence compliance with the bank’s policy and wider issues involving the unilateral implementation of new terms and conditions that the policy promotes, inclusive but not limited to fundamental breaches of contract."
Test case indeed ... I dont have an issue with employers wanting their employees to be vaccinated ... or even testing their employees regularly for COVID19 but the employer should stand the cost ... vaccinated persons can infact spread this as well so all employees should be tested as well ... also why a PCR test if you go to an emergency room at a private hospital it is a rapid testing you are getting ... glad to see BIGWU has found their testicles and look forward to see what happens with this in the courts let us see how the judiciary treats with this.
hover11 wrote:This country has to be under a spell.The 17 year old who was rushed to the ER due to anaphylaxis after taking the Pfizer vaccine released a video. Her body was shutting down after taking the shot yet she not discouraging anyone from taking it. Then stating she still taking the second one. Well what don't kill will make you stronger I guess.
https://www.facebook.com/18499923208319 ... 344425979/
pugboy wrote:i think it will depend on the judge and their personal/national view
it may not boil down to technicality of “vaxxed can still transmit”
there are many other factors which the antivaxxers don’t consider
Mmoney607 wrote:hover11 wrote:This country has to be under a spell.The 17 year old who was rushed to the ER due to anaphylaxis after taking the Pfizer vaccine released a video. Her body was shutting down after taking the shot yet she not discouraging anyone from taking it. Then stating she still taking the second one. Well what don't kill will make you stronger I guess.
https://www.facebook.com/18499923208319 ... 344425979/
To be fair to her, she didn't she you have to get it. She said it's your choice. However, where the part about the government trying their best come out from? What that had to do with anything??
Exactly, this isn't really anything wrong with the vaccine itself. This is just more than likely an allergic reaction she personally had to something in it. That can happen with ANY drug or any food for that matter.st7 wrote:Kenjo wrote:hover11 wrote:This country has to be under a spell.The 17 year old who was rushed to the ER due to anaphylaxis after taking the Pfizer vaccine released a video. Her body was shutting down after taking the shot yet she not discouraging anyone from taking it. Then stating she still taking the second one. Well what don't kill will make you stronger I guess.
https://www.facebook.com/18499923208319 ... 344425979/
How many other children took it and normal so far ? She will have to see an immunologist to determine if she can take the second shot . That’s all
daz all self.
solutions -- not sufferable excuses by those who do not understand anything.
More here:hover11 wrote:The court will favor the union because they will use the same logic that vaccinated can contract and spread the virus so applying it to one portion of the employees is nonsensicaltimothymcdavid wrote:shake d livin wake d dead wrote:THE Banking, Insurance and General Workers Union (BIGWU) has warned Republic Bank (RBL) that unless it withdraws its proposed policy to bring workers back to their offices on September 6, it will initiate legal action against the bank.
One of the aspects of this policy which BIGWU is opposed to is a requirement for unvaccinated workers to pay in full or in part for PCR tests required by the bank for them to return to work.
In a statement issued on Friday, BIGWU second vice-president Jason Brown said if the bank does not respond favourably by 10 am on August 23, the union will instruct its lawyers to begin action to "restrain the bank from its unilateral imposition of this policy."
While the union does not want to pursue legal action against RBL, Brown said, it "will do so if it is compelled to do so by the bank’s intransigence."
Referring to proposals previously mentioned by the bank to ensure its staff are protected against covid19 when they return to their offices, Brown said BIGWU continues to object to "the requirement that workers pay (in part or in full) for the PCR tests required by the bank, the quantum of the ex-gratia payment offered by the bank to vaccinated workers,the threat or use of disciplinary action against workers to influence compliance with the bank’s policy and wider issues involving the unilateral implementation of new terms and conditions that the policy promotes, inclusive but not limited to fundamental breaches of contract."
Test case indeed ... I dont have an issue with employers wanting their employees to be vaccinated ... or even testing their employees regularly for COVID19 but the employer should stand the cost ... vaccinated persons can infact spread this as well so all employees should be tested as well ... also why a PCR test if you go to an emergency room at a private hospital it is a rapid testing you are getting ... glad to see BIGWU has found their testicles and look forward to see what happens with this in the courts let us see how the judiciary treats with this.
adnj wrote:More here:hover11 wrote:The court will favor the union because they will use the same logic that vaccinated can contract and spread the virus so applying it to one portion of the employees is nonsensicaltimothymcdavid wrote:shake d livin wake d dead wrote:THE Banking, Insurance and General Workers Union (BIGWU) has warned Republic Bank (RBL) that unless it withdraws its proposed policy to bring workers back to their offices on September 6, it will initiate legal action against the bank.
One of the aspects of this policy which BIGWU is opposed to is a requirement for unvaccinated workers to pay in full or in part for PCR tests required by the bank for them to return to work.
In a statement issued on Friday, BIGWU second vice-president Jason Brown said if the bank does not respond favourably by 10 am on August 23, the union will instruct its lawyers to begin action to "restrain the bank from its unilateral imposition of this policy."
While the union does not want to pursue legal action against RBL, Brown said, it "will do so if it is compelled to do so by the bank’s intransigence."
Referring to proposals previously mentioned by the bank to ensure its staff are protected against covid19 when they return to their offices, Brown said BIGWU continues to object to "the requirement that workers pay (in part or in full) for the PCR tests required by the bank, the quantum of the ex-gratia payment offered by the bank to vaccinated workers,the threat or use of disciplinary action against workers to influence compliance with the bank’s policy and wider issues involving the unilateral implementation of new terms and conditions that the policy promotes, inclusive but not limited to fundamental breaches of contract."
Test case indeed ... I dont have an issue with employers wanting their employees to be vaccinated ... or even testing their employees regularly for COVID19 but the employer should stand the cost ... vaccinated persons can infact spread this as well so all employees should be tested as well ... also why a PCR test if you go to an emergency room at a private hospital it is a rapid testing you are getting ... glad to see BIGWU has found their testicles and look forward to see what happens with this in the courts let us see how the judiciary treats with this.
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