The Religion Discussion

[megadoc1]

You might think that concept is wack!!! Imagine then how silly it seems to others when you say Eve was made from
a rib

nothing can be more "wack" than five different accounts of the same thing
What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).

2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).

3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).

4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).

5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

[sMASH]

(these are my view points, and the view points of other muslims, for all u non-muslims. if it interests u, u can investigate it further, if u dont agree with it, that is your choice as well)

green 1-
the message being protected today is the qur'an. all the others were also sent by god, and were intended for a time period for a specific people. protection was removed after they served their purposes, and then people could interject, modify, eliminate what they please after. what u call the bible has some of what jesus (pbuh) taught, but plenty of it is not from him but from other guys, and some of that is against what jesus (pbuh) taught.

green 2-
as i said, the other revelations are not present in their unadulterated form, far less for the originals. so they were not being burned as they were not even existing at the time.

green 3-
the previous revelations were those given to all the messengers of god, like moses, abraham, david, and those we do not have record about (pbut). we do not have details of them as they are not in existence in their original form. what we do know is that they usually had a general common message which is that god is one, and nothing is close in power, and nothing is to be worshiped instead of him. the specific messages were to those people at the time for them to live under. like eye for an eye, etc. as those specific laws were not required any more, god sent other messengers with different specific laws, but the same general message... some times.

this is how their are so many various religions, initially inspired by god, and then he then he allowed people to exercise their free will to choose to keep them unaltered, or to change them for their purposes. then when the followers of the modified ways encounter islam, the onus is on them to decide if it is better.

green 4-
dun dun head, who supposed to be doin the judging on judgment day? we believe he will be judging us according to our beliefs, intentions and actions.

green 5-
ur first reference is in a specific context. this was for the first muslims who conquered macca, without blood shed. this place was filled with people who were against islam. some of them would differed but allowed, and some were aggressively and violently against islam. this verse was concerning the malevolent people. the sacred months were a 4 months grace period they had to stop and be amiable. if after 4 months, they continued their violence, then they had that ruling enacted.

ur second reference is with respect to end time prophecy, and not day to day living. jews in general are supposed to hate christians because they did not believe that jesus (pbuh) was the messiah... they still waiting on the messiah to show up. if a big shot jewish party collaborating with a big shot christian party on sumting big economically, geographically, internationally, militarily, technologically,,, then sumting up with the two of them and we supposed to be suspicious of them having 'other' influences. if one of them is not being welcomed by the other, then they work in the normal balance, so it is not bad to operate with either of them.
this is a sign with a guidance, after u notice the sign.

green 6-
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green 7-
i am speaking of what what was sent to moses, abraham, david, and other messengers to other peoples around the world (pbut)

green 8-
circular logic. research it then get a padnah to draw it out with crayon so u could understand what it is. but to me, there are so many things which sound so vague and simple, then become so accurate after u make the real world realization, that it hard for me to disregard it.

the quote after the green-
the torrah, psalms, injeel and others were all messages initially. they WERE all protected. then they were stopped being protected when they were not necessary to stay in their original forms.

when reference is made to the word not being corrupted, this protection would have been transferred to the qur'an.
we cannot be certain as to when and by whom the original words of jesus( pbuh) were corrupted, but it would be some time after his departure and continuing all now.

the last quote-

i'll have to get back to you on that. i am not all knowing, some things i do not understand. with a limited knowledge of biology, i do not understand this fully my self. but one thing i realize, wait a little, you'll be surprised.
but for now, what i understand is that the word ribs is just one translation. the word can also be ' that which is not seen', amongst others.
so u have from a splurge of fluid from the backbone/lower back/ loin and that which is not seen.

so it is vague to me, so i cannot answer specifically yet.

[megadoc1]

(these are my view points, and the view points of other muslims, for all u non-muslims. if it interests u, u can investigate it further, if u dont agree with it, that is your choice as well)

green 1-
the message being protected today is the qur'an. all the others were also sent by god, and were intended for a time period for a specific people. protection was removed after they served their purposes, and then people could interject, modify, eliminate what they please after. what u call the bible has some of what jesus (pbuh) taught, but plenty of it is not from him but from other guys, and some of that is against what jesus (pbuh) taught.

green 2-
as i said, the other revelations are not present in their unadulterated form, far less for the originals. so they were not being burned as they were not even existing at the time.

green 3-
the previous revelations were those given to all the messengers of god, like moses, abraham, david, and those we do not have record about (pbut). we do not have details of them as they are not in existence in their original form. what we do know is that they usually had a general common message which is that god is one, and nothing is close in power, and nothing is to be worshiped instead of him. the specific messages were to those people at the time for them to live under. like eye for an eye, etc. as those specific laws were not required any more, god sent other messengers with different specific laws, but the same general message... some times.

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"If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt" (10:94).

why would Allah instruct Muhammad to ask Christians and Jews to tell him the truth?
wasn't it already corrupted or non existent in their original form? ... this getting interesting

[sMASH]

muslim-one who believes that god is unitary and ultimately powerful.

islam- the religion ( and when inspected, a way of carrying out ur day to day activities, life) which is based upon the teachings of the qur'an and the life of muhammad (pbuh)



the creation of human has happened in four different ways:
-out of clay like adam (pbuh)
-out of the nature (wrongly translated as rib) of another human [eve from adam (pbuh)]
-out of divine conception as with Jesus (pbuh).
-and normal sexual reproduction.

those were not contradiction mega, those were simply multiple instances.

[sMASH]

10:94

the prophet muhammad (pbuh) was not much learned about the scriptures before. he was just given revelation about pharoh chasing the the isrealites and he was given this suggestion so that he would know that what was revealed was in reality and not a nancy story.

quran added to what would have been known by others at the time. it added that he was drowned and that his body be preserved as a sign. pharoh continuously begged god for forgiveness when things went bad, and proclaimed that he was god when things were good.
this happened a long time before the time this revelation was made and it was only in this century that scientists discovered the mummified body of a pharoh which they believe to be the one of moses' (pbuh) fame. strange thing is, it was found in a river bed, with signs of drowning, naturally mummified, i.e. with no artificial process.
previous scripture did not mention his mummification far less for his drowning, and this discovery make the french scientists who verified that it was pharoh, investigate the quran more with subsequent convertion to islam.

[megadoc1]

10:94

the prophet muhammad (pbuh) was not much learned about the scriptures before. he was just given revelation about pharoh chasing the the isrealites and he was given this suggestion so that he would know that what was revealed was in reality and not a nancy story.

quran added to what would have been known by others at the time. it added that he was drowned and that his body be preserved as a sign. pharoh continuously begged god for forgiveness when things went bad, and proclaimed that he was god when things were good.
this happened a long time before the time this revelation was made and it was only in this century that scientists discovered the mummified body of a pharoh which they believe to be the one of moses' (pbuh) fame. strange thing is, it was found in a river bed, with signs of drowning, naturally mummified, i.e. with no artificial process.
previous scripture did not mention his mummification far less for his drowning, and this discovery make the french scientists who verified that it was pharoh, investigate the quran more with subsequent convertion to islam.

did pharaoh really drown?

"We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).

Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).

steups.....

[sMASH]

hard luck deh, ah mix up allyuh scripture deh...


but allyuh eh preserve 'im een 'im body and say that he would be a sign.

that mummy was circulated around the world in a glass case to many museums,,, so being seen plenty,,, how does a sign function,,, by being seen...

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

You might think that concept is wack!!! Imagine then how silly it seems to others when you say Eve was made from
a rib

nothing can be more "wack" than five different accounts of the same thing
What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).

2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).

3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).

4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).

5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

you mean more than God making a woman pregnant so she could have his son, who is really him, to die for the sins of man?

Many claim many inconsistencies in other religious text too, including the bible.
Perhaps it's proof that these things are not meant to be taken literally!

The point I'm making is that each religion has its own stories and explanations and metaphors. To say one sounds silly, or to say one is inconsistent or incoherent while YOURS isn't is fundamentally WRONG. Your beliefs sound silly to another religious believer, when their beliefs are different.

Up till now no one can answer me as to WHY one is right and the other is wrong.
Why is YOUR beliefs right? sMash? megadoc1?

oh BTW I just watched Religulous on HBO. It was great and I hope that everyone posting in this thread watches it.

[megadoc1]

sMASH who prophesy the coming of Muhammad? where he come out?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ that brings up an interesting question I have

Why does God use prophets and messengers?
If he wants all of mankind to hear his message then why doesn't he tell us? instead of secretly telling one person and then sending that one person off to the tumultuous task of spreading that word.

Doesn't seem too productive to me, considering that the idea is to spread the word.

and before someone ups and says the reason is because "if God spoke to us all then there would be no need for faith", then is spreading the word less important to God than us having faith?

Also, specifically for megadoc and bluefete, why didn't Jesus just bring the bible to mankind? Then it would truly be the word of God, instead of having a bunch of men to write it and compile it and choose what and what not to put in?

[megadoc1]

^ that brings up an interesting question I have

Why does God use prophets and messengers?
If he wants all of mankind to hear his message then why doesn't he tell us?
that is just his way of doing stuff as foolish as it seems it is wiser than anything man can come up with because God is Holy? instead of secretly telling one person and then sending that one person off to the tumultuous task of spreading that word.

Doesn't seem too productive to me, considering that the idea is to spread the word.
It will never make sense to you because it is not something based on the wisdom of men

and before someone ups and says the reason is because "if God spoke to us all then there would be no need for faith",well to the ones who follows Jesus God do speak to us personally then is spreading the word less important to God than us having faith? faith comes by hearing the word of God.... so they are both important because if one truly have faith he will spread it for it is commanded of him
Also, specifically for megadoc and bluefete, why didn't Jesus just bring the bible to mankind? Jesus did bring the word of God to mankind from Genesis to revelation it is the way he did it that confuses you but thats all good thats exactly what he wanted Then it would truly be the word of God, instead of having a bunch of men to write it and compile it and choose what and what not to put in?as they were moved by the holy spirit.....so who are you really questioning?

duane as long as it sounds foolish to you its doing exactly what it was intended to do

18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[c]

20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

and duane why would that be only for me and bluefete?
didnt the muslims decided on what to put together in the Qu'ran and everything
that differs were ordered burnt?

there was no attempt made to collect all of the sayings given by Muhammad during his lifetime. After all, Mohammad was continuing to give ' recitations' on a somewhat regular basis. But, after he died in 632, Abu-Bakr, Muhammad's father in law, became the caliph (religious leader of the Muslims) and there was a small effort to collect the fragments of Qur'anic sayings into a common place. But, it wasn't until the fourth leader of Islam, Caliph Uthman, that the whole Qur'an was finally assembled, approved, and disseminated throughout the Muslim world.

Shortly after Muhammad's death, the Muslim Uthman ordered all sets of the Koran manuscripts to be destroyed except the codex of Zaid. Why? Is it because Zaid's copy was better? If so, how do we know? Did differences in the copies arise so quickly that discrepancies were evident and Uthman recognized the need for a standardized copy lest Islam suffer division? It raises doubt on the Koran's supposed incorruptibility.

Is it now OK to be Illogical as long as we are not quoting from the bible ?

[mamoo_pagal]

hmm...........take a look what y'all think??

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Jesus did bring the word of God to mankind from Genesis to revelation it is the way he did it that confuses you but thats all good thats exactly what he wanted

duane as long as it sounds foolish to you its doing exactly what it was intended to do

So what you are saying is that Jesus wants to confuse us?

I agree that we cannot begin to understand the greatness of God. It is, as someone said, like trying to explain how a colour TV works to an ant. The ant cannot possibly conceive something so complex and so it would be pointless even showing a colour TV to the ant. My question though is then why would God tell you about the colour TV and then provide a user manual but then tells you that you are too simple to fully understand what it is for, you just have to have faith.

Seems there are convenient prefabricated walls such as "God has a plan and knows best", "it is too complex for our simple minds", "God works in mysterious ways", "we just need to have faith" etc that blocks all questions.

I want to believe in religion LESS when you claim it is Gods intention to confuse us. I would rather believe you don't know what you are talking about. Especially since we have a lil more proof of that in your posts.

and duane why would that be only for me and bluefete?
didnt the muslims decided on what to put together in the Qu'ran and everything
that differs were ordered burnt?

Christians accept that the bible and its various versions are compilations done by men. The men were guided by the holy spirit. This is what Christians believe.
Muslims on the other hand believe in only one Qu'ran and the believe it was revealed in its entirety to Muhammad. This is what Muslims believe.

I can only state what I know each religion believes.

Is it now OK to be Illogical as long as we are not quoting from the bible ?

what is illogical about that? Do you know the meaning of the word illogical?

[bluefete]

10:94

the prophet muhammad (pbuh) was not much learned about the scriptures before. he was just given revelation about pharoh chasing the the isrealites and he was given this suggestion so that he would know that what was revealed was in reality and not a nancy story.

quran added to what would have been known by others at the time. it added that he was drowned and that his body be preserved as a sign. pharoh continuously begged god for forgiveness when things went bad, and proclaimed that he was god when things were good.
this happened a long time before the time this revelation was made and it was only in this century that scientists discovered the mummified body of a pharoh which they believe to be the one of moses' (pbuh) fame. strange thing is, it was found in a river bed, with signs of drowning, naturally mummified, i.e. with no artificial process.
previous scripture did not mention his mummification far less for his drowning, and this discovery make the french scientists who verified that it was pharoh, investigate the quran more with subsequent convertion to islam.

"Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea; his chosen captains are also drowned in the Red Sea. The depths have covered them; they sank into the bottom as a stone." Exodus 15:4-5

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

pharoh continuously begged god for forgiveness when things went bad, and proclaimed that he was god when things were good.

kinda reminds me of how people blame the devil when things go bad and praise God when things go good.

[bluefete]

^ that brings up an interesting question I have

Why does God use prophets and messengers?
If he wants all of mankind to hear his message then why doesn't he tell us? instead of secretly telling one person and then sending that one person off to the tumultuous task of spreading that word.

Doesn't seem too productive to me, considering that the idea is to spread the word.

and before someone ups and says the reason is because "if God spoke to us all then there would be no need for faith", then is spreading the word less important to God than us having faith?

Also, specifically for megadoc and bluefete, why didn't Jesus just bring the bible to mankind? Then it would truly be the word of God, instead of having a bunch of men to write it and compile it and choose what and what not to put in?

Sighs (again)!!

"And the gospel must first be published among all nations." Mark 13:10 Those were the words of Jesus. Jesus came with a message that was different from what people were accustomed too.

34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:34-40

Jesus knew it would take time for the Gospel to be spread globally.

Remember that the first thing God did with Adam was to give him a "wuk". Give names to all of my creations.

19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. Genesis 2:19-20

So Jesus was simply carrying on a great tradition. He sent the men & women out to work!!!

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ why?

[bluefete]

^ why?

To preach the Gospel and spread the Word. The second coming of Jesus is premised on the Gospel being preached throughout all the world. There are countries and villages where this has not yet happened.

[Chimera]

^ why?

To preach the Gospel and spread the Word. The second coming of Jesus is premised on the Gospel being preached throughout all the world. There are countries and villages where this has not yet happened.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but.....


Jesus ain't coming.

[bluefete]

^ why?

To preach the Gospel and spread the Word. The second coming of Jesus is premised on the Gospel being preached throughout all the world. There are countries and villages where this has not yet happened.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but.....


Jesus ain't coming.

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

2 Peter 3:3-4

[MG Man]

Jesus saves
but Jordan scores on the rebound

[Chimera]

I hope if Aliens ever visit us, that they don't talk to any God Believer in their search for "Intelligent life"

[MG Man]

the proof that aliens exist lies in the fact that they keep their distance

[wagonrunner]

Jesus saves
but Jordan scores on the rebound

[megadoc1]

oh BTW I just watched Religulous on HBO. It was great and I hope that everyone posting in this thread watches it.

mamoo_pagal
Riding on 13's

Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:28 pm
Posts: 1


ah man join tuner just to post a vid that Duane talk about
anyways cool video I liked it

but Duane how come ah man could join tuner and post two mins after?
rules change orr?

[megadoc1]

Jesus did bring the word of God to mankind from Genesis to revelation it is the way he did it that confuses you but thats all good thats exactly what he wanted

duane as long as it sounds foolish to you its doing exactly what it was intended to do

So what you are saying is that Jesus wants to confuse us?
no but he used something so foolish so that men cannot boast about themselves but you think you are beyond that.....lol
can we agree that you are too smart for it ?

I agree that we cannot begin to understand the greatness of God. It is, as someone said, like trying to explain how a colour TV works to an ant. The ant cannot possibly conceive something so complex and so it would be pointless even showing a colour TV to the ant. My question though is then why would God tell you about the colour TV and then provide a user manual but then tells you that you are too simple to fully understand what it is for, you just have to have faith.because he wants us to trust in him and not in ourselves, we learn the manual speak the commands and he does the works

Seems there are convenient prefabricated walls such as "God has a plan and knows best", "it is too complex for our simple minds", "God works in mysterious ways", "we just need to have faith" etc that blocks all questions. I never used any of them feel free to ask

I want to believe in religion LESS when you claim it is Gods intention to confuse us. I would rather believe you don't know what you are talking about. Especially since we have a lil more proof of that in your posts.I never claim that it is Gods intention to confuse us!!! God doesn't intend to confuse us but it is our reliance on our own wisdom against that of God, is what confuses us
and based on scripture its the god of this world that wishes to confuse us

and duane why would that be only for me and bluefete?
didnt the muslims decided on what to put together in the Qu'ran and everything
that differs were ordered burnt?

Christians accept that the bible and its various versions are compilations done by men. The men were guided by the holy spirit. This is what Christians believe.
Muslims on the other hand believe in only one Qu'ran and the believe it was revealed in its entirety to Muhammad. This is what Muslims believe.we will deal with this later

I can only state what I know each religion believes.yuh sure?

Is it now OK to be Illogical as long as we are not quoting from the bible ?

what is illogical about that?never mind Do you know the meaning of the word illogical?

[Chimera]

oh BTW I just watched Religulous on HBO. It was great and I hope that everyone posting in this thread watches it.

mamoo_pagal
Riding on 13's

Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:28 pm
Posts: 1


ah man join tuner just to post a vid that Duane talk about
anyways cool video I liked it

but Duane how come ah man could join tuner and post two mins after?
rules change orr?

ask God for your answers

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

but Duane how come ah man could join tuner and post two mins after?
rules change orr?

version 3.0 does not have the 24hr waiting period.

LOL @ "nevermind" when I ask you what is "illogical"

can we agree that you are too smart for it ?

Not at all and I have no clue where you got that idea from. I only wish to learn why you believe what you do. I have a hunch though that d spike is smarter than you.

based on scripture its the god of this world that wishes to confuse us

Who is the "god of this world"?

I can only state what I know each religion believes.

yuh sure?

How can I state what I don't know? I can only state what I know.

^ why?

To preach the Gospel and spread the Word. The second coming of Jesus is premised on the Gospel being preached throughout all the world. There are countries and villages where this has not yet happened.

No I meant why set it up as work?

According to the books when God created Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden he spoke and interacted with them directly. They didn't need faith because they knew of Him. Man felt no shame and woman bore no pain in childbirth among other tribulations that humans go through during life. Perhaps there was no disease, no famine, no drought, no sadness. Perhaps even no death?

Christians believe that Eve ate the apple first and gave it to Adam to eat, the basis of original sin. Jews believe that Adam's first wife was Lillith, who refused to be subservient to a man, but they too believe it was Eve who gave Adam the apple. Muslims believe that Adam and Eve ate the fruit together but were forgiven by God and so there is no original sin.

Either which way God told them if they eat the fruit of that tree they would surely die. Satan however told them they would not die. Strange enough, they did not die; I say strange, since Satan was the one who told the truth in this account.

God punished all of mankind for Adam and Eve's disobedience and introduced pain, suffering, shame, disease and sadness and perhaps even no immortality. Seems harsh.

Then God stopped openly communicating with mankind, except in secrecy, to chosen individuals that they may spread his word.

I have to wonder though: Where was God when Satan was encouraging Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit? Why did he not interject, rid Eden of Satan and allow his greatest creation (mankind) to live on in Eden which he created them in in the first place?

[hong kong phooey]

Why can god only have one child ?
If the bible is correct why is there so many sects ?
if god created adam and eve only so who populate the earth their children ? is it ok for brother and sister to brush ?

I have asked god for guidance and he told me that religion is a a good money making opportunity and start to spread the word that god has spoken to me. will u believe it? how do we know god realy spoke to these people ?
Why is it that most of the people who seem to be incharge of spreading the word of god (all religions) seem to get rich of the poor , when they supposed to be humble people. they live the life of luxary whilst loads of other suffer and live in poverty? should they not give to the poor instead of trying to milk these people


oh yeah god told me if u guys give me 10% of your salary i will guarante a place in my heaven for u. Duane it will cost u 15% because he said well lets not get into that .

[mamoo_pagal]

I have to wonder though: Where was God when Satan was encouraging Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit? Why did he not interject, rid Eden of Satan and allow his greatest creation (mankind) to live on in Eden which he created them in in the first place?

EGO is the devil Christianity talks about............it is within us all n makes us think we can do what we want based on how we "feel". Tame EGO thats all.

Jesus did it in forty days n forty nights...........he was there with Adam n Eve but Ego was aslo there. At the end of the day humans let ego control them. Y not try to control it who knows what the outcome might be