COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

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197 Dead in just 9 Days.

9/01: 19 deaths: 1 vaxxed 18 unvaxxed
8/01: 37 deaths: 5 vaxxed 32 unvaxxed
7/01: 18 deaths: 1 vaxxed 17 unvaxxed
6/01: 19 deaths: 4 vaxxed 15 unvaxxed
5/01: 22 deaths: 2 vaxxed 20 unvaxxed

You intentionally omitting information here , co morbidities of the deceased....13 out of the 19 today were not healthy ppl to begin with

[paid_influencer]

In this instance, the MoH statement was not incorrect but may be overarching. Feel free to counter if you are so inclined but you won't win.

I know I won't win. Everyone knows that. I will still try tho. If i don't win, that is okay.

Terry's assertion back then was made on the belief of SARS-CoV-2 being spread primarily by droplet (contact) transmission, similar to influenza. Early on, the WHO made recommendations that emphasized washing hands, sanitizing surfaces, wiping down groceries, etc, but made no mention of masking or air filtration. There was no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was airborne, which is why Terry said whatever it was he said.

Sometime in late 2020, we found evidence that SARS-CoV-2 airborne spread (spread by inhalation of very fine respiratory droplets and aerosol particles) was driving the pandemic. This lead the way to all the masking recommendations and Terry's about face. Later on we found that airborne transmission was the primary driver of the pandemic, and fomite transmission (what Terry's statement was referencing as "more dangerous") was relatively minor. The CDC now says explicitly that "Current evidence strongly suggests transmission from contaminated surfaces does not contribute substantially to new infections."

Now this airborne vs contact transmission is mostly settled in science, but the public messaging hasn't caught up. People still believe the virus is spread the same way as the flu, and we need to use a ton of sanitizer everywhere we go, we need to wipe down groceries, etc. That's not the case. We need to counter a primarily airborne threat with infrastructure and tools designed for airborne spread; namely better masks, better ventilation, HEPA filtration, and adjusting social and workplace patterns so people do not share unfiltered air.

Here's the opinion piece in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) that I keep quoting, in the hopes more people will read it. The BMJ is a highly prestigious and influential medical journal.

We welcome the World Health Organisation’s recent guidance on community and healthcare mask use, but believe more can be done to suppress transmission without adversely impacting economic or social activity.1617 Accordingly, we call upon the World Health Organisation and national governments to:

Unequivocally declare SARS-CoV-2 an airborne pathogen and stress the implications for preventing transmission.18 A clear message from the World Health Organisation will help to remove confusion that has been used to justify outdated policies.18

Promote the use of high-quality face masks for indoor gatherings and other high-transmission settings. The significant benefits of community masking are now well established.1920 Respirators (e.g. N95, P2/FFP2 or KF94) should be preferred in all indoor settings where people mix, and for healthcare workers at all times.2021

Advise on effective ventilation and filtration of air. It is time to go beyond opening windows and aim for a paradigm shift to ensure all public buildings are optimally designed, built, adapted, and utilised to maximise clean air for occupants—strategies which have been shown to reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission.22 23 24

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o1

[Chimera]

197 Dead in just 9 Days.

9/01: 19 deaths: 1 vaxxed 18 unvaxxed
8/01: 37 deaths: 5 vaxxed 32 unvaxxed
7/01: 18 deaths: 1 vaxxed 17 unvaxxed
6/01: 19 deaths: 4 vaxxed 15 unvaxxed
5/01: 22 deaths: 2 vaxxed 20 unvaxxed

You intentionally omitting information here , co morbidities of the deceased....13 out of the 19 today were not healthy ppl to begin with

You saying they were going to die in this timeline anyway?

[hover11]

197 Dead in just 9 Days.

9/01: 19 deaths: 1 vaxxed 18 unvaxxed
8/01: 37 deaths: 5 vaxxed 32 unvaxxed
7/01: 18 deaths: 1 vaxxed 17 unvaxxed
6/01: 19 deaths: 4 vaxxed 15 unvaxxed
5/01: 22 deaths: 2 vaxxed 20 unvaxxed

You intentionally omitting information here , co morbidities of the deceased....13 out of the 19 today were not healthy ppl to begin with

You saying they were going to die in this timeline anyway?

I never said that what I am saying is they were not healthy to begin with , they were facing their afflictions pre covid and even with the vaccine it is mostly the ppl with Co morbidities that are dying

[Chimera]

If only there was a magical elixir of chemicals that could perhaps give persons a better chance of surviving.

[alfa]

197 Dead in just 9 Days.

9/01: 19 deaths: 1 vaxxed 18 unvaxxed
8/01: 37 deaths: 5 vaxxed 32 unvaxxed
7/01: 18 deaths: 1 vaxxed 17 unvaxxed
6/01: 19 deaths: 4 vaxxed 15 unvaxxed
5/01: 22 deaths: 2 vaxxed 20 unvaxxed

You intentionally omitting information here , co morbidities of the deceased....13 out of the 19 today were not healthy ppl to begin with

You saying they were going to die in this timeline anyway?

I know a fully vaxxed guy, gym man and generally healthy. Got COVID and said he felt like he was dying, he is ok now though. Then there are these unvaxxed older sickly people suffering from everything under the sun who died. I honestly can't see a vaccine saving them if they had gotten it. Then again I know quite a few of my relatives ranging from 80s to early teens who were unvaxxed at the time, got COVID and not even a sniffle, they were all fit and no known conditions. The vaccine has its place but general state of health of the individual I believe plays a bigger role.

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If only there was a magical elixir of chemicals that could perhaps give persons a better chance of surviving.

What better chance ... have you ever seen a death certificate of a covid deceased it's always a long string of things these ppl suffer from , diabetes melleitus, hypertension, kidney failure, Ashmatic shock you name it etc and Sars covid 19 is just on the side

[hover11]

197 Dead in just 9 Days.

9/01: 19 deaths: 1 vaxxed 18 unvaxxed
8/01: 37 deaths: 5 vaxxed 32 unvaxxed
7/01: 18 deaths: 1 vaxxed 17 unvaxxed
6/01: 19 deaths: 4 vaxxed 15 unvaxxed
5/01: 22 deaths: 2 vaxxed 20 unvaxxed

You intentionally omitting information here , co morbidities of the deceased....13 out of the 19 today were not healthy ppl to begin with

You saying they were going to die in this timeline anyway?

I know a fully vaxxed guy, gym man and generally healthy. Got COVID and said he felt like he was dying, he is ok now though. Then there are these unvaxxed older sickly people suffering from everything under the sun who died. I honestly can't see a vaccine saving them if they had gotten it. Then again I know quite a few of my relatives ranging from 80s to early teens who were unvaxxed at the time, got COVID and not even a sniffle, they were all fit and no known conditions. The vaccine has its place but general state of health of the individual I believe plays a bigger role.

It goes back to the same thing I was saying yesterday, ppl think well I take my vaccine I could continue eating sheite....6 doubles a day, drink all the alco, smoke and don't exercise. The vaccine have my back. It dont work like that. The minister of health should be encouraging proper diets, discouraging fast food , exercise , instead it's just vaccine vaccine vaccine


Trinidad has a very UNHEALTHY population who don't have diabetes,have hypertension,HIV etc


How many trinis drink water a day period, is either a soft drink or beer in their hands....

[st7]

yawnnn

bray bray bray. i din realise max was talking about the antivaxxers oui

[i_code_and_stuff]

If only there was a magical elixir of chemicals that could perhaps give persons a better chance of surviving.

What better chance ... have you ever seen a death certificate of a covid deceased it's always a long string of things these ppl suffer from , diabetes melleitus, hypertension, kidney failure, Ashmatic shock you name it etc and Sars covid 19 is just on the side

right, it's not like 2 years into the pandemic we have overwhelming amounts of data that indicate covid-19 exacerbates a number of those non-communicable diseases. diseases that you can't snap your fingers and eradicate in a population. diseases that under normal circumstances, people can manage well and for the most part live a normal life, except when they get a severe covid infection that puts their entire body into turmoil.

[widdyphuck]

197 Dead in just 9 Days.

9/01: 19 deaths: 1 vaxxed 18 unvaxxed
8/01: 37 deaths: 5 vaxxed 32 unvaxxed
7/01: 18 deaths: 1 vaxxed 17 unvaxxed
6/01: 19 deaths: 4 vaxxed 15 unvaxxed
5/01: 22 deaths: 2 vaxxed 20 unvaxxed

You intentionally omitting information here , co morbidities of the deceased....13 out of the 19 today were not healthy ppl to begin with

You saying they were going to die in this timeline anyway?

I know a fully vaxxed guy, gym man and generally healthy. Got COVID and said he felt like he was dying, he is ok now though. Then there are these unvaxxed older sickly people suffering from everything under the sun who died. I honestly can't see a vaccine saving them if they had gotten it. Then again I know quite a few of my relatives ranging from 80s to early teens who were unvaxxed at the time, got COVID and not even a sniffle, they were all fit and no known conditions. The vaccine has its place but general state of health of the individual I believe plays a bigger role.

It goes back to the same thing I was saying yesterday, ppl think well I take my vaccine I could continue eating sheite....6 doubles a day, drink all the alco, smoke and don't exercise. The vaccine have my back. It dont work like that. The minister of health should be encouraging proper diets, discouraging fast food , exercise , instead it's just vaccine vaccine vaccine


Trinidad has a very UNHEALTHY population who don't have diabetes,have hypertension,HIV etc


How many trinis drink water a day period, is either a soft drink or beer in their hands....

Some persons born with ailments bro.
They didn't choose that way of life.

Last time I went in Sando Hospital I saw a doctor friend with a big oily bag of doubles.
And yes he's a doctor.
Go figure.

[hover11]

197 Dead in just 9 Days.

9/01: 19 deaths: 1 vaxxed 18 unvaxxed
8/01: 37 deaths: 5 vaxxed 32 unvaxxed
7/01: 18 deaths: 1 vaxxed 17 unvaxxed
6/01: 19 deaths: 4 vaxxed 15 unvaxxed
5/01: 22 deaths: 2 vaxxed 20 unvaxxed

You intentionally omitting information here , co morbidities of the deceased....13 out of the 19 today were not healthy ppl to begin with

You saying they were going to die in this timeline anyway?

I know a fully vaxxed guy, gym man and generally healthy. Got COVID and said he felt like he was dying, he is ok now though. Then there are these unvaxxed older sickly people suffering from everything under the sun who died. I honestly can't see a vaccine saving them if they had gotten it. Then again I know quite a few of my relatives ranging from 80s to early teens who were unvaxxed at the time, got COVID and not even a sniffle, they were all fit and no known conditions. The vaccine has its place but general state of health of the individual I believe plays a bigger role.

It goes back to the same thing I was saying yesterday, ppl think well I take my vaccine I could continue eating sheite....6 doubles a day, drink all the alco, smoke and don't exercise. The vaccine have my back. It dont work like that. The minister of health should be encouraging proper diets, discouraging fast food , exercise , instead it's just vaccine vaccine vaccine


Trinidad has a very UNHEALTHY population who don't have diabetes,have hypertension,HIV etc


How many trinis drink water a day period, is either a soft drink or beer in their hands....

Some persons born with ailments bro.
They didn't choose that way of life.

Last time I went in Sando Hospital I saw a doctor friend with a big oily bag of doubles.
And yes he's a doctor.
Go figure.

I understand the ones who are born with it and I don't blame them at all but for the rest of us....every morning is 6 doubles a soft drink, a beer later , fries ....no exercise, we chain smoking. If Trinidad had a healthier population we wouldn't have as many covid deaths but you wouldn't hear the minister of health say that. You wouldn't hear him say trinis you don't need to eat kfc every week or Chinese or etc, add more water to your life but say what just take the vaccine and continue life as normal.

[wing]

197 Dead in just 9 Days.

9/01: 19 deaths: 1 vaxxed 18 unvaxxed
8/01: 37 deaths: 5 vaxxed 32 unvaxxed
7/01: 18 deaths: 1 vaxxed 17 unvaxxed
6/01: 19 deaths: 4 vaxxed 15 unvaxxed
5/01: 22 deaths: 2 vaxxed 20 unvaxxed

You intentionally omitting information here , co morbidities of the deceased....13 out of the 19 today were not healthy ppl to begin with

You saying they were going to die in this timeline anyway?

I know a fully vaxxed guy, gym man and generally healthy. Got COVID and said he felt like he was dying, he is ok now though. Then there are these unvaxxed older sickly people suffering from everything under the sun who died. I honestly can't see a vaccine saving them if they had gotten it. Then again I know quite a few of my relatives ranging from 80s to early teens who were unvaxxed at the time, got COVID and not even a sniffle, they were all fit and no known conditions. The vaccine has its place but general state of health of the individual I believe plays a bigger role.

It goes back to the same thing I was saying yesterday, ppl think well I take my vaccine I could continue eating sheite....6 doubles a day, drink all the alco, smoke and don't exercise. The vaccine have my back. It dont work like that. The minister of health should be encouraging proper diets, discouraging fast food , exercise , instead it's just vaccine vaccine vaccine


Trinidad has a very UNHEALTHY population who don't have diabetes,have hypertension,HIV etc


How many trinis drink water a day period, is either a soft drink or beer in their hands....

Some persons born with ailments bro.
They didn't choose that way of life.

Last time I went in Sando Hospital I saw a doctor friend with a big oily bag of doubles.
And yes he's a doctor.
Go figure.

I understand the ones who are born with it and I don't blame them at all but for the rest of us....every morning is 6 doubles a soft drink, a beer later , fries ....no exercise, we chain smoking. If Trinidad had a healthier population we wouldn't have as many covid deaths but you wouldn't hear the minister of health say that. You wouldn't hear him say trinis you don't need to eat kfc every week or Chinese or etc, add more water to your life but say what just take the vaccine and continue life as normal.

Do you require the minister of health to tell you that? What about the internet where you do your own research on any and everything? What about in primary school where we are taught food and nutrition? Aren't we all big people with sense who love saying my body my choice? It's big people we're dealing with.

[Chimera]

If you as an individual get sick and die from your life style choices than that's on you.

When its a matter of a disease that spreading from person to person that accelerating death its a whole different scene.

[adnj]

In this instance, the MoH statement was not incorrect but may be overarching. Feel free to counter if you are so inclined but you won't win.

I know I won't win. Everyone knows that. I will still try tho. If i don't win, that is okay.

Terry's assertion back then was made on the belief of SARS-CoV-2 being spread primarily by droplet (contact) transmission, similar to influenza. Early on, the WHO made recommendations that emphasized washing hands, sanitizing surfaces, wiping down groceries, etc, but made no mention of masking or air filtration. There was no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was airborne, which is why Terry said whatever it was he said.

Sometime in late 2020, we found evidence that SARS-CoV-2 airborne spread (spread by inhalation of very fine respiratory droplets and aerosol particles) was driving the pandemic. This lead the way to all the masking recommendations and Terry's about face. Later on we found that airborne transmission was the primary driver of the pandemic, and fomite transmission (what Terry's statement was referencing as "more dangerous") was relatively minor. The CDC now says explicitly that "Current evidence strongly suggests transmission from contaminated surfaces does not contribute substantially to new infections."

Now this airborne vs contact transmission is mostly settled in science, but the public messaging hasn't caught up. People still believe the virus is spread the same way as the flu, and we need to use a ton of sanitizer everywhere we go, we need to wipe down groceries, etc. That's not the case. We need to counter a primarily airborne threat with infrastructure and tools designed for airborne spread; namely better masks, better ventilation, HEPA filtration, and adjusting social and workplace patterns so people do not share unfiltered air.

Here's the opinion piece in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) that I keep quoting, in the hopes more people will read it. The BMJ is a highly prestigious and influential medical journal.

We welcome the World Health Organisation’s recent guidance on community and healthcare mask use, but believe more can be done to suppress transmission without adversely impacting economic or social activity.1617 Accordingly, we call upon the World Health Organisation and national governments to:

Unequivocally declare SARS-CoV-2 an airborne pathogen and stress the implications for preventing transmission.18 A clear message from the World Health Organisation will help to remove confusion that has been used to justify outdated policies.18

Promote the use of high-quality face masks for indoor gatherings and other high-transmission settings. The significant benefits of community masking are now well established.1920 Respirators (e.g. N95, P2/FFP2 or KF94) should be preferred in all indoor settings where people mix, and for healthcare workers at all times.2021

Advise on effective ventilation and filtration of air. It is time to go beyond opening windows and aim for a paradigm shift to ensure all public buildings are optimally designed, built, adapted, and utilised to maximise clean air for occupants—strategies which have been shown to reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission.22 23 24

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o1

This is valid but marginally related.

The was no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was anything but an aerosol transmission virus. SARS, MERS and corona virus are. Healthcare workers were required to wear respirators. Regarding fomite transmissions, though the frequency is very low, it is also possible.

Masking has been a recommended procedure for a century for influenza virus during the flu season and remains so.

The issue at the time, again, was inadequate supply of PPE - not an incorrect estimation of mechanisms of transmission. PPE mask sales are 30× prepandemic levels.

PPE was rationed. Vaccines were rationed. Monoclonal therapy was rationed.

Supply is simply catching up with demand so that now even you have a chance to acquire.

Global Face Mask Market (2020 to 2025) - Outbreak of COVID-19 is a Major Driver

November 12, 2020 04:33 ET | Source: Research and Markets

The face mask market is projected to grow from USD 737 million in 2019 to USD 22,143 million in 2021 and then reduce to USD 3,021 million by 2025.

The projected CAGRs for these time periods are 448.1% between 2019 to 2021 and an overall CAGR of -48.9% from 2020 to 2025. The primary reasons driving the demand for face mask globally, includes factors like the outbreak of COVID-19 pandemic, the rise in consumer awareness pertaining to the importance of face masks, and the surge in social media marketing to encourage a positive attitude towards wearing masks.

The surgical type segment of the face mask market is projected to grow at the highest CAGR during the forecast period of 2020 to 2025. The primary reason of the demand for surgical masks can be attributed to its use in the healthcare industry. Furthermore, the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic is expected to drive the market of surgical masks from 2019 to 2021.

https://www.globenewswire.com/news-rele ... river.html

[Mmoney607]

197 Dead in just 9 Days.

9/01: 19 deaths: 1 vaxxed 18 unvaxxed
8/01: 37 deaths: 5 vaxxed 32 unvaxxed
7/01: 18 deaths: 1 vaxxed 17 unvaxxed
6/01: 19 deaths: 4 vaxxed 15 unvaxxed
5/01: 22 deaths: 2 vaxxed 20 unvaxxed

You intentionally omitting information here , co morbidities of the deceased....13 out of the 19 today were not healthy ppl to begin with

You saying they were going to die in this timeline anyway?

I know a fully vaxxed guy, gym man and generally healthy. Got COVID and said he felt like he was dying, he is ok now though. Then there are these unvaxxed older sickly people suffering from everything under the sun who died. I honestly can't see a vaccine saving them if they had gotten it. Then again I know quite a few of my relatives ranging from 80s to early teens who were unvaxxed at the time, got COVID and not even a sniffle, they were all fit and no known conditions. The vaccine has its place but general state of health of the individual I believe plays a bigger role.

Gym don't mean healthy. Gym could mean a person pushing their body beyond the limit.

[mars]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CYg-vP5F2si/?utm_medium=copy_link

[hover11]

197 Dead in just 9 Days.

9/01: 19 deaths: 1 vaxxed 18 unvaxxed
8/01: 37 deaths: 5 vaxxed 32 unvaxxed
7/01: 18 deaths: 1 vaxxed 17 unvaxxed
6/01: 19 deaths: 4 vaxxed 15 unvaxxed
5/01: 22 deaths: 2 vaxxed 20 unvaxxed

You intentionally omitting information here , co morbidities of the deceased....13 out of the 19 today were not healthy ppl to begin with

You saying they were going to die in this timeline anyway?

I know a fully vaxxed guy, gym man and generally healthy. Got COVID and said he felt like he was dying, he is ok now though. Then there are these unvaxxed older sickly people suffering from everything under the sun who died. I honestly can't see a vaccine saving them if they had gotten it. Then again I know quite a few of my relatives ranging from 80s to early teens who were unvaxxed at the time, got COVID and not even a sniffle, they were all fit and no known conditions. The vaccine has its place but general state of health of the individual I believe plays a bigger role.

It goes back to the same thing I was saying yesterday, ppl think well I take my vaccine I could continue eating sheite....6 doubles a day, drink all the alco, smoke and don't exercise. The vaccine have my back. It dont work like that. The minister of health should be encouraging proper diets, discouraging fast food , exercise , instead it's just vaccine vaccine vaccine


Trinidad has a very UNHEALTHY population who don't have diabetes,have hypertension,HIV etc


How many trinis drink water a day period, is either a soft drink or beer in their hands....

Some persons born with ailments bro.
They didn't choose that way of life.

Last time I went in Sando Hospital I saw a doctor friend with a big oily bag of doubles.
And yes he's a doctor.
Go figure.

I understand the ones who are born with it and I don't blame them at all but for the rest of us....every morning is 6 doubles a soft drink, a beer later , fries ....no exercise, we chain smoking. If Trinidad had a healthier population we wouldn't have as many covid deaths but you wouldn't hear the minister of health say that. You wouldn't hear him say trinis you don't need to eat kfc every week or Chinese or etc, add more water to your life but say what just take the vaccine and continue life as normal.

Do you require the minister of health to tell you that? What about the internet where you do your own research on any and everything? What about in primary school where we are taught food and nutrition? Aren't we all big people with sense who love saying my body my choice? It's big people we're dealing with.

It has nothing to do with doing your own research that is the Minister's role and function, he even said so himself. As Minister of Health, Deyalsingh’s main goal is to bring the three highs, being blood pressure, sugar and cholesterol to the three lows. Bring awareness , your government likes to tax their way out of everything why not impose a sugar tax on soft drinks , in fact all drinks besides water. I would be in full support of that , due to the fact I only drink water.

[Mmoney607]

In this instance, the MoH statement was not incorrect but may be overarching. Feel free to counter if you are so inclined but you won't win.

I know I won't win. Everyone knows that. I will still try tho. If i don't win, that is okay.

Terry's assertion back then was made on the belief of SARS-CoV-2 being spread primarily by droplet (contact) transmission, similar to influenza. Early on, the WHO made recommendations that emphasized washing hands, sanitizing surfaces, wiping down groceries, etc, but made no mention of masking or air filtration. There was no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was airborne, which is why Terry said whatever it was he said.

Sometime in late 2020, we found evidence that SARS-CoV-2 airborne spread (spread by inhalation of very fine respiratory droplets and aerosol particles) was driving the pandemic. This lead the way to all the masking recommendations and Terry's about face. Later on we found that airborne transmission was the primary driver of the pandemic, and fomite transmission (what Terry's statement was referencing as "more dangerous") was relatively minor. The CDC now says explicitly that "Current evidence strongly suggests transmission from contaminated surfaces does not contribute substantially to new infections."

Now this airborne vs contact transmission is mostly settled in science, but the public messaging hasn't caught up. People still believe the virus is spread the same way as the flu, and we need to use a ton of sanitizer everywhere we go, we need to wipe down groceries, etc. That's not the case. We need to counter a primarily airborne threat with infrastructure and tools designed for airborne spread; namely better masks, better ventilation, HEPA filtration, and adjusting social and workplace patterns so people do not share unfiltered air.

Here's the opinion piece in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) that I keep quoting, in the hopes more people will read it. The BMJ is a highly prestigious and influential medical journal.

We welcome the World Health Organisation’s recent guidance on community and healthcare mask use, but believe more can be done to suppress transmission without adversely impacting economic or social activity.1617 Accordingly, we call upon the World Health Organisation and national governments to:

Unequivocally declare SARS-CoV-2 an airborne pathogen and stress the implications for preventing transmission.18 A clear message from the World Health Organisation will help to remove confusion that has been used to justify outdated policies.18

Promote the use of high-quality face masks for indoor gatherings and other high-transmission settings. The significant benefits of community masking are now well established.1920 Respirators (e.g. N95, P2/FFP2 or KF94) should be preferred in all indoor settings where people mix, and for healthcare workers at all times.2021

Advise on effective ventilation and filtration of air. It is time to go beyond opening windows and aim for a paradigm shift to ensure all public buildings are optimally designed, built, adapted, and utilised to maximise clean air for occupants—strategies which have been shown to reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission.22 23 24

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o1

[hover11]

In this instance, the MoH statement was not incorrect but may be overarching. Feel free to counter if you are so inclined but you won't win.

I know I won't win. Everyone knows that. I will still try tho. If i don't win, that is okay.

Terry's assertion back then was made on the belief of SARS-CoV-2 being spread primarily by droplet (contact) transmission, similar to influenza. Early on, the WHO made recommendations that emphasized washing hands, sanitizing surfaces, wiping down groceries, etc, but made no mention of masking or air filtration. There was no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was airborne, which is why Terry said whatever it was he said.

Sometime in late 2020, we found evidence that SARS-CoV-2 airborne spread (spread by inhalation of very fine respiratory droplets and aerosol particles) was driving the pandemic. This lead the way to all the masking recommendations and Terry's about face. Later on we found that airborne transmission was the primary driver of the pandemic, and fomite transmission (what Terry's statement was referencing as "more dangerous") was relatively minor. The CDC now says explicitly that "Current evidence strongly suggests transmission from contaminated surfaces does not contribute substantially to new infections."

Now this airborne vs contact transmission is mostly settled in science, but the public messaging hasn't caught up. People still believe the virus is spread the same way as the flu, and we need to use a ton of sanitizer everywhere we go, we need to wipe down groceries, etc. That's not the case. We need to counter a primarily airborne threat with infrastructure and tools designed for airborne spread; namely better masks, better ventilation, HEPA filtration, and adjusting social and workplace patterns so people do not share unfiltered air.

Here's the opinion piece in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) that I keep quoting, in the hopes more people will read it. The BMJ is a highly prestigious and influential medical journal.

We welcome the World Health Organisation’s recent guidance on community and healthcare mask use, but believe more can be done to suppress transmission without adversely impacting economic or social activity.1617 Accordingly, we call upon the World Health Organisation and national governments to:

Unequivocally declare SARS-CoV-2 an airborne pathogen and stress the implications for preventing transmission.18 A clear message from the World Health Organisation will help to remove confusion that has been used to justify outdated policies.18

Promote the use of high-quality face masks for indoor gatherings and other high-transmission settings. The significant benefits of community masking are now well established.1920 Respirators (e.g. N95, P2/FFP2 or KF94) should be preferred in all indoor settings where people mix, and for healthcare workers at all times.2021

Advise on effective ventilation and filtration of air. It is time to go beyond opening windows and aim for a paradigm shift to ensure all public buildings are optimally designed, built, adapted, and utilised to maximise clean air for occupants—strategies which have been shown to reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission.22 23 24

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o1

[Mmoney607]

But you know people take off their mask to eat on the plane.

[Chimera]

In this instance, the MoH statement was not incorrect but may be overarching. Feel free to counter if you are so inclined but you won't win.

I know I won't win. Everyone knows that. I will still try tho. If i don't win, that is okay.

Terry's assertion back then was made on the belief of SARS-CoV-2 being spread primarily by droplet (contact) transmission, similar to influenza. Early on, the WHO made recommendations that emphasized washing hands, sanitizing surfaces, wiping down groceries, etc, but made no mention of masking or air filtration. There was no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was airborne, which is why Terry said whatever it was he said.

Sometime in late 2020, we found evidence that SARS-CoV-2 airborne spread (spread by inhalation of very fine respiratory droplets and aerosol particles) was driving the pandemic. This lead the way to all the masking recommendations and Terry's about face. Later on we found that airborne transmission was the primary driver of the pandemic, and fomite transmission (what Terry's statement was referencing as "more dangerous") was relatively minor. The CDC now says explicitly that "Current evidence strongly suggests transmission from contaminated surfaces does not contribute substantially to new infections."

Now this airborne vs contact transmission is mostly settled in science, but the public messaging hasn't caught up. People still believe the virus is spread the same way as the flu, and we need to use a ton of sanitizer everywhere we go, we need to wipe down groceries, etc. That's not the case. We need to counter a primarily airborne threat with infrastructure and tools designed for airborne spread; namely better masks, better ventilation, HEPA filtration, and adjusting social and workplace patterns so people do not share unfiltered air.

Here's the opinion piece in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) that I keep quoting, in the hopes more people will read it. The BMJ is a highly prestigious and influential medical journal.

We welcome the World Health Organisation’s recent guidance on community and healthcare mask use, but believe more can be done to suppress transmission without adversely impacting economic or social activity.1617 Accordingly, we call upon the World Health Organisation and national governments to:

Unequivocally declare SARS-CoV-2 an airborne pathogen and stress the implications for preventing transmission.18 A clear message from the World Health Organisation will help to remove confusion that has been used to justify outdated policies.18

Promote the use of high-quality face masks for indoor gatherings and other high-transmission settings. The significant benefits of community masking are now well established.1920 Respirators (e.g. N95, P2/FFP2 or KF94) should be preferred in all indoor settings where people mix, and for healthcare workers at all times.2021

Advise on effective ventilation and filtration of air. It is time to go beyond opening windows and aim for a paradigm shift to ensure all public buildings are optimally designed, built, adapted, and utilised to maximise clean air for occupants—strategies which have been shown to reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission.22 23 24

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o1

[adnj]

In this instance, the MoH statement was not incorrect but may be overarching. Feel free to counter if you are so inclined but you won't win.

I know I won't win. Everyone knows that. I will still try tho. If i don't win, that is okay.

Terry's assertion back then was made on the belief of SARS-CoV-2 being spread primarily by droplet (contact) transmission, similar to influenza. Early on, the WHO made recommendations that emphasized washing hands, sanitizing surfaces, wiping down groceries, etc, but made no mention of masking or air filtration. There was no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was airborne, which is why Terry said whatever it was he said.

Sometime in late 2020, we found evidence that SARS-CoV-2 airborne spread (spread by inhalation of very fine respiratory droplets and aerosol particles) was driving the pandemic. This lead the way to all the masking recommendations and Terry's about face. Later on we found that airborne transmission was the primary driver of the pandemic, and fomite transmission (what Terry's statement was referencing as "more dangerous") was relatively minor. The CDC now says explicitly that "Current evidence strongly suggests transmission from contaminated surfaces does not contribute substantially to new infections."

Now this airborne vs contact transmission is mostly settled in science, but the public messaging hasn't caught up. People still believe the virus is spread the same way as the flu, and we need to use a ton of sanitizer everywhere we go, we need to wipe down groceries, etc. That's not the case. We need to counter a primarily airborne threat with infrastructure and tools designed for airborne spread; namely better masks, better ventilation, HEPA filtration, and adjusting social and workplace patterns so people do not share unfiltered air.

Here's the opinion piece in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) that I keep quoting, in the hopes more people will read it. The BMJ is a highly prestigious and influential medical journal.

We welcome the World Health Organisation’s recent guidance on community and healthcare mask use, but believe more can be done to suppress transmission without adversely impacting economic or social activity.1617 Accordingly, we call upon the World Health Organisation and national governments to:

Unequivocally declare SARS-CoV-2 an airborne pathogen and stress the implications for preventing transmission.18 A clear message from the World Health Organisation will help to remove confusion that has been used to justify outdated policies.18

Promote the use of high-quality face masks for indoor gatherings and other high-transmission settings. The significant benefits of community masking are now well established.1920 Respirators (e.g. N95, P2/FFP2 or KF94) should be preferred in all indoor settings where people mix, and for healthcare workers at all times.2021

Advise on effective ventilation and filtration of air. It is time to go beyond opening windows and aim for a paradigm shift to ensure all public buildings are optimally designed, built, adapted, and utilised to maximise clean air for occupants—strategies which have been shown to reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission.22 23 24

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o1

[PariaMan]

If comorbidities were as important as vaccination for those with covid there would be much more vaccinated dying

The fact that out of 197 only 13 were vaxxed means that by far the biggest factor is vaccination

The only interpretation of these numbers is get your vaccine and reduce your risk of dying with covid

[Chimera]

If comorbidities were as important as vaccination for those with covid there would be much more vaccinated dying

The fact that out of 197 only 13 were vaxxed means that by far the biggest factor is vaccination

The only interpretation of these numbers is get your vaccine and reduce your risk of dying with covid

Lol in hover mind it easier for the whole world to do a lifestyle change and just be healthy(hard luck for people with issues that are genetic or they born with, fhck them)

Than to take a simple vaccine

[DMan7]

Did hoover finally crash the covid thread or what? It's weirdly formatted.

[pugboy]

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 2d22b.html

according to the industrial relations experts
the welfare of the majority overrides that of the individuals

[hover11]

If comorbidities were as important as vaccination for those with covid there would be much more vaccinated dying

The fact that out of 197 only 13 were vaxxed means that by far the biggest factor is vaccination

The only interpretation of these numbers is get your vaccine and reduce your risk of dying with covid

Lol in hover mind it easier for the whole world to do a lifestyle change and just be healthy(hard luck for people with issues that are genetic or they born with, fhck them)

Than to take a simple vaccine

I see reading is a challenge for you....I clearly stated that the ones who suffer from those conditions through hereditary means ....meaning from biological genes from parents or grandparents passed down and they acquire those lifestyle diseases through that I don't Blame then but for the ones whose actions caused that upon themselves and think taking a vaccine gonna save their lives and they can simply continue their sedentary and junk filled lifestyle then I couldn't care less

[ed360123]

If comorbidities were as important as vaccination for those with covid there would be much more vaccinated dying

The fact that out of 197 only 13 were vaxxed means that by far the biggest factor is vaccination

The only interpretation of these numbers is get your vaccine and reduce your risk of dying with covid

Lol in hover mind it easier for the whole world to do a lifestyle change and just be healthy(hard luck for people with issues that are genetic or they born with, fhck them)

Than to take a simple vaccine

I see reading is a challenge for you....I clearly stated that the ones who suffer from those conditions through hereditary means ....meaning from biological genes from parents or grandparents passed down and they acquire those lifestyle diseases through that I don't Blame then but for the ones whose actions caused that upon themselves and think taking a vaccine gonna save their lives and they can simply continue their sedentary and junk filled lifestyle then I couldn't care less

What I nice way of saying you don't give a sheit if people die!

[hover11]

If comorbidities were as important as vaccination for those with covid there would be much more vaccinated dying

The fact that out of 197 only 13 were vaxxed means that by far the biggest factor is vaccination

The only interpretation of these numbers is get your vaccine and reduce your risk of dying with covid

Lol in hover mind it easier for the whole world to do a lifestyle change and just be healthy(hard luck for people with issues that are genetic or they born with, fhck them)

Than to take a simple vaccine

I see reading is a challenge for you....I clearly stated that the ones who suffer from those conditions through hereditary means ....meaning from biological genes from parents or grandparents passed down and they acquire those lifestyle diseases through that I don't Blame then but for the ones whose actions caused that upon themselves and think taking a vaccine gonna save their lives and they can simply continue their sedentary and junk filled lifestyle then I couldn't care less

What I nice way of saying you don't give a sheit if people die!

At some point natural selection has to run its course...vaccine or no vaccine .if you chose to eat doubles every day and kfc every week , hardly drink water, always with a beer and smoking right through or didn't even give exercise a thought well so be it...reap what you sow bro