Trinidad Blackout (16 Feb 2022)

[sMASH]

I really hope those geniuses don't push for nuclear nah.Trinis too slack.That would be a disaster waiting to happen

Nah

The 5th gen Nucs walk away safe since in the 60s.

The 2020 versions are dummy proof

if homer could do it,,, we can too.

[timelapse]

Wait until some union fool decide not to maintain it.

[sMASH]

well, salary negotiations will settle the next day.... and no worker there will have potholes in their commute for too long.

[pugboy]

govt has appointed a 3 man team to investigate the blackout
thas all they good for
appointing investigators

[hover11]

govt has appointed a 3 man team to investigate the blackout
thas all they good for
appointing investigators

Anybody remember the day of total policing, massive roadblocks everywhere, gridlock traffic....was fun eh. I think the investigation still ongoing for answers to that day LOL

[adnj]

GORTT owns the entire supply chain from Nat Gas to TGU to TTEC

Any alternative supply chain -solar,wind will begin to dismantle the shell game.

Nat Gas Subs and Elec Subs compound with Fuel Subs to enable the whole economic shebang to work.

initial set up for renewables is very very costly, and tho running costs tend to be low, the replacement tends to be 10y down the road and also very costly.
so, the contractors can get pay out for the short term, for the set up which can take a few years well.

they will not be able to dig out we eye continuously... unless they get a build/maintain contract. and invoice the govt 2000 per day for a labourer to dust off solar panels, for a 250 a day

You're wrong.

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Wind and solar projects can operate for decades and can be developed more rapidly than other generation sources.

All power plants and their components have a “useful life” before they need replacement or repair. The useful lifespan of renewable facilities can exceed two decades. Wind turbines, for example, are estimated to last for about 20 years, and photovoltaic systems often remain operational from 25 to 40 years. In some instances, as large wind turbines become more efficient and economic, equipment turnover has been accelerated. In these cases, smaller turbines have been replaced earlier than they might otherwise have been by larger, more efficient turbines, to substantially increase electricity production at existing sites.

Furthermore, renewable energy facilities can typically be deployed more rapidly than fossil fuel plants. While solar and onshore wind farms normally take less than two years to build, gas-fired power plants usually take as many as four years to become operational, and can also require construction of gas pipeline infrastructure.

https://www.wri.org/insights/setting-re ... ble-energy

[sMASH]

the problems are:
1. mc kamala

[zoom rader]

GORTT owns the entire supply chain from Nat Gas to TGU to TTEC

Any alternative supply chain -solar,wind will begin to dismantle the shell game.

Nat Gas Subs and Elec Subs compound with Fuel Subs to enable the whole economic shebang to work.

initial set up for renewables is very very costly, and tho running costs tend to be low, the replacement tends to be 10y down the road and also very costly.
so, the contractors can get pay out for the short term, for the set up which can take a few years well.

they will not be able to dig out we eye continuously... unless they get a build/maintain contract. and invoice the govt 2000 per day for a labourer to dust off solar panels, for a 250 a day

You're wrong.

-------

Wind and solar projects can operate for decades and can be developed more rapidly than other generation sources.

All power plants and their components have a “useful life” before they need replacement or repair. The useful lifespan of renewable facilities can exceed two decades. Wind turbines, for example, are estimated to last for about 20 years, and photovoltaic systems often remain operational from 25 to 40 years. In some instances, as large wind turbines become more efficient and economic, equipment turnover has been accelerated. In these cases, smaller turbines have been replaced earlier than they might otherwise have been by larger, more efficient turbines, to substantially increase electricity production at existing sites.

Furthermore, renewable energy facilities can typically be deployed more rapidly than fossil fuel plants. While solar and onshore wind farms normally take less than two years to build, gas-fired power plants usually take as many as four years to become operational, and can also require construction of gas pipeline infrastructure.

https://www.wri.org/insights/setting-re ... ble-energy

What a load of bull5hit

Wind turbines have failed as Europe have proved this .

Solar is very complex and difficult to use in very sunny climates and cold countries on an industrial use. Solar only works in the day and has to use very costly batteries.

Private use for homes is a benefit but not for commercial use. Reason being is in hot climates, the efficency of cells deteriorates very fast as the cell burn themselves out. In cooler countries sunlight is a problem for commercial use. There is a reason why solar failed in the Sahara and Las Vegas.

Solar for your house is a plus.

[Redman]

Allyuh my point is the GORTT extracts revenue from the supply chain.
So TGU makes 40M USD per year, some of which is paid on as dividends to the CIF.

We on take or pay for years again.

Enabling alternative supply will begin destabilizing that money flow that has been in place for decades,

That TTEC is a bigger problem than Petrotrin and WASA.

[sMASH]

anybody dealing with rotating equipment know the hazards of varying ur speeds. by nature, wind is variable. yes, the wind turbines can tolerate variable wind conditions. but it still weakens the materials.

many wind turbines last a long while. but many fail... the problem with a electricity grid, is u need the3m to be steady, and not have failures. as any failures load up the rest of devices, and that stresses them more, thus makeing them more likely to fail as well.




but, gortt could do wind and solar. they will just make all the kickback money on the installation, not the running

[MaxPower]

Solar for your house is a plus.

At what cost bro?

Thankfully we have good people out there to make solar prices affordable.

Thankfully there wouldn’t be any corruption in those who get the “solar contracts”…

Either way, the people still ketch their ass to live.

[adnj]

GORTT owns the entire supply chain from Nat Gas to TGU to TTEC

Any alternative supply chain -solar,wind will begin to dismantle the shell game.

Nat Gas Subs and Elec Subs compound with Fuel Subs to enable the whole economic shebang to work.

initial set up for renewables is very very costly, and tho running costs tend to be low, the replacement tends to be 10y down the road and also very costly.
so, the contractors can get pay out for the short term, for the set up which can take a few years well.

they will not be able to dig out we eye continuously... unless they get a build/maintain contract. and invoice the govt 2000 per day for a labourer to dust off solar panels, for a 250 a day

You're wrong.

-------

Wind and solar projects can operate for decades and can be developed more rapidly than other generation sources.

All power plants and their components have a “useful life” before they need replacement or repair. The useful lifespan of renewable facilities can exceed two decades. Wind turbines, for example, are estimated to last for about 20 years, and photovoltaic systems often remain operational from 25 to 40 years. In some instances, as large wind turbines become more efficient and economic, equipment turnover has been accelerated. In these cases, smaller turbines have been replaced earlier than they might otherwise have been by larger, more efficient turbines, to substantially increase electricity production at existing sites.

Furthermore, renewable energy facilities can typically be deployed more rapidly than fossil fuel plants. While solar and onshore wind farms normally take less than two years to build, gas-fired power plants usually take as many as four years to become operational, and can also require construction of gas pipeline infrastructure.

https://www.wri.org/insights/setting-re ... ble-energy

What a load of bull5hit

Wind turbines have failed as Europe have proved this .

Solar is very complex and difficult to use in very sunny climates and cold countries on an industrial use. Solar only works in the day and has to use very costly batteries.

Private use for homes is a benefit but not for commercial use. Reason being is in hot climates, the efficency of cells deteriorates very fast as the cell burn themselves out. In cooler countries sunlight is a problem for commercial use. There is a reason why solar failed in the Sahara and Las Vegas.

Solar for your house is a plus.

No. You're wrong.

Europe has 70% of wind generation in the world.

Solar is no just PV.

Batteries are not the only way to store solar energy generated power.

Aramco has more solar generation than most regions of the world, has the lowest production cost per Mw and is building a new US$1 billion plant.

[sMASH]

#triggered

[pugboy]

i visited europe a few years ago and saw a lot of wind turbines in germany and france
some of them are really tall
easily visible from airplane but you can’t even make out a car on the road

[hover11]

Was just reading about a funeral home director blaming the government for the blackout and how it affected his business.

First of all the blackout affected everyone, so you want to blame the Government for your lack of foresight, you own a business which is heavily dependant on electricity yet you have no contingency plan ? Not a fan of the government but that is asinine

[16 cycles]

There was a cold fusion experiment a few werks ago for proof of concept by joining Hydrogen atoms iirc...didnt last long and just enough energy for 20 kettles...looks promising if it can be scaled and optimized

[The_Honourable]

This is in the realm of rumor but seeing whatsapp messages that there was a mystery vibration and possible explosion at TGU which caused the blackout. It goes on to say that we are only being supplied by Powergen and Trinity.

Now if that is true, I would like to believe others in the area experienced that "vibration" and if it was an explosion, residents would have seen some smoke or fire.

I can confirm that there was an explosion and fire at TGU and a turbine was damaged. Our company does business with TGU. My coworker's brother works there as well and when we realized it was a nationwide blackout, she called him and he told her about it. It was confirmed also by a buyer in TGU we called just after and he said they had emergency personnel currently trying to out the fire. But that is not being mentioned anywhere.

I also saw a video by ivan toolsie of an interview with a woman in grants tr claiming that a tree fell and pulled down the high voltage wire near her house and that caused the blackout... that sounds a bit sketchy

Ahhh... thanks for confirming

[Mmoney607]

[zoom rader]

GORTT owns the entire supply chain from Nat Gas to TGU to TTEC

Any alternative supply chain -solar,wind will begin to dismantle the shell game.

Nat Gas Subs and Elec Subs compound with Fuel Subs to enable the whole economic shebang to work.

initial set up for renewables is very very costly, and tho running costs tend to be low, the replacement tends to be 10y down the road and also very costly.
so, the contractors can get pay out for the short term, for the set up which can take a few years well.

they will not be able to dig out we eye continuously... unless they get a build/maintain contract. and invoice the govt 2000 per day for a labourer to dust off solar panels, for a 250 a day

You're wrong.

-------

Wind and solar projects can operate for decades and can be developed more rapidly than other generation sources.

All power plants and their components have a “useful life” before they need replacement or repair. The useful lifespan of renewable facilities can exceed two decades. Wind turbines, for example, are estimated to last for about 20 years, and photovoltaic systems often remain operational from 25 to 40 years. In some instances, as large wind turbines become more efficient and economic, equipment turnover has been accelerated. In these cases, smaller turbines have been replaced earlier than they might otherwise have been by larger, more efficient turbines, to substantially increase electricity production at existing sites.

Furthermore, renewable energy facilities can typically be deployed more rapidly than fossil fuel plants. While solar and onshore wind farms normally take less than two years to build, gas-fired power plants usually take as many as four years to become operational, and can also require construction of gas pipeline infrastructure.

https://www.wri.org/insights/setting-re ... ble-energy

What a load of bull5hit

Wind turbines have failed as Europe have proved this .

Solar is very complex and difficult to use in very sunny climates and cold countries on an industrial use. Solar only works in the day and has to use very costly batteries.

Private use for homes is a benefit but not for commercial use. Reason being is in hot climates, the efficency of cells deteriorates very fast as the cell burn themselves out. In cooler countries sunlight is a problem for commercial use. There is a reason why solar failed in the Sahara and Las Vegas.

Solar for your house is a plus.

No. You're wrong.

Europe has 70% of wind generatiin in the world.

Solar is no just PV.

Batteries are not the only way to store solar energy generated power.

Aramco has more solar generation than most regions of the world, has the lowest production cost per Mw and is building a new US$1 billion plant.

If I am wrong then the numerous reports must also be wrong.

https://www.planningresource.co.uk/arti ... lly-viable.

https://quixoteslaststand.wordpress.com ... well-done/

https://www.producer.com/opinion/unreli ... is-costly/

https://theearthproject.com/solar-farms-pros-and-cons/

[adnj]

GORTT owns the entire supply chain from Nat Gas to TGU to TTEC

Any alternative supply chain -solar,wind will begin to dismantle the shell game.

Nat Gas Subs and Elec Subs compound with Fuel Subs to enable the whole economic shebang to work.

initial set up for renewables is very very costly, and tho running costs tend to be low, the replacement tends to be 10y down the road and also very costly.
so, the contractors can get pay out for the short term, for the set up which can take a few years well.

they will not be able to dig out we eye continuously... unless they get a build/maintain contract. and invoice the govt 2000 per day for a labourer to dust off solar panels, for a 250 a day

You're wrong.

-------

Wind and solar projects can operate for decades and can be developed more rapidly than other generation sources.

All power plants and their components have a “useful life” before they need replacement or repair. The useful lifespan of renewable facilities can exceed two decades. Wind turbines, for example, are estimated to last for about 20 years, and photovoltaic systems often remain operational from 25 to 40 years. In some instances, as large wind turbines become more efficient and economic, equipment turnover has been accelerated. In these cases, smaller turbines have been replaced earlier than they might otherwise have been by larger, more efficient turbines, to substantially increase electricity production at existing sites.

Furthermore, renewable energy facilities can typically be deployed more rapidly than fossil fuel plants. While solar and onshore wind farms normally take less than two years to build, gas-fired power plants usually take as many as four years to become operational, and can also require construction of gas pipeline infrastructure.

https://www.wri.org/insights/setting-re ... ble-energy

What a load of bull5hit

Wind turbines have failed as Europe have proved this .

Solar is very complex and difficult to use in very sunny climates and cold countries on an industrial use. Solar only works in the day and has to use very costly batteries.

Private use for homes is a benefit but not for commercial use. Reason being is in hot climates, the efficency of cells deteriorates very fast as the cell burn themselves out. In cooler countries sunlight is a problem for commercial use. There is a reason why solar failed in the Sahara and Las Vegas.

Solar for your house is a plus.

No. You're wrong.

Europe has 70% of wind generatiin in the world.

Solar is no just PV.

Batteries are not the only way to store solar energy generated power.

Aramco has more solar generation than most regions of the world, has the lowest production cost per Mw and is building a new US$1 billion plant.

If I am wrong then the numerous reports must also be wrong.

https://www.planningresource.co.uk/arti ... lly-viable.

https://quixoteslaststand.wordpress.com ... well-done/

https://www.producer.com/opinion/unreli ... is-costly/

https://theearthproject.com/solar-farms-pros-and-cons/

Yes. They are wrong.

[sMASH]

##triggered

[hover11]

GORTT owns the entire supply chain from Nat Gas to TGU to TTEC

Any alternative supply chain -solar,wind will begin to dismantle the shell game.

Nat Gas Subs and Elec Subs compound with Fuel Subs to enable the whole economic shebang to work.

initial set up for renewables is very very costly, and tho running costs tend to be low, the replacement tends to be 10y down the road and also very costly.
so, the contractors can get pay out for the short term, for the set up which can take a few years well.

they will not be able to dig out we eye continuously... unless they get a build/maintain contract. and invoice the govt 2000 per day for a labourer to dust off solar panels, for a 250 a day

You're wrong.

-------

Wind and solar projects can operate for decades and can be developed more rapidly than other generation sources.

All power plants and their components have a “useful life” before they need replacement or repair. The useful lifespan of renewable facilities can exceed two decades. Wind turbines, for example, are estimated to last for about 20 years, and photovoltaic systems often remain operational from 25 to 40 years. In some instances, as large wind turbines become more efficient and economic, equipment turnover has been accelerated. In these cases, smaller turbines have been replaced earlier than they might otherwise have been by larger, more efficient turbines, to substantially increase electricity production at existing sites.

Furthermore, renewable energy facilities can typically be deployed more rapidly than fossil fuel plants. While solar and onshore wind farms normally take less than two years to build, gas-fired power plants usually take as many as four years to become operational, and can also require construction of gas pipeline infrastructure.

https://www.wri.org/insights/setting-re ... ble-energy

What a load of bull5hit

Wind turbines have failed as Europe have proved this .

Solar is very complex and difficult to use in very sunny climates and cold countries on an industrial use. Solar only works in the day and has to use very costly batteries.

Private use for homes is a benefit but not for commercial use. Reason being is in hot climates, the efficency of cells deteriorates very fast as the cell burn themselves out. In cooler countries sunlight is a problem for commercial use. There is a reason why solar failed in the Sahara and Las Vegas.

Solar for your house is a plus.

No. You're wrong.

Europe has 70% of wind generatiin in the world.

Solar is no just PV.

Batteries are not the only way to store solar energy generated power.

Aramco has more solar generation than most regions of the world, has the lowest production cost per Mw and is building a new US$1 billion plant.

If I am wrong then the numerous reports must also be wrong.

https://www.planningresource.co.uk/arti ... lly-viable.

https://quixoteslaststand.wordpress.com ... well-done/

https://www.producer.com/opinion/unreli ... is-costly/

https://theearthproject.com/solar-farms-pros-and-cons/

Yes. They are wrong.

You are wrong


Try harder

[hover11]

TAKE BULL.....

MINISTER SAYS THAT CITIZENS WON'T BE COMPENSATED FOR THE BLACKOUT.

Minister of Public Utilities Marvin Gonzales suggested on Friday that people were not able to get any compensation for a loss of electrical supply during Wednesday’s islandwide power outage, answering an urgent opposition question in the House of Representatives.

This is in contrast to initial reports in Newsday on Friday which cited a Regulated Industries Commission (RIC) statement that suggested there could have been an entitlement to compensation.

https://newsday.co.tt/2022/02/19/gonzal ... -blackout/

[wing]

TAKE BULL.....

MINISTER SAYS THAT CITIZENS WON'T BE COMPENSATED FOR THE BLACKOUT.

Minister of Public Utilities Marvin Gonzales suggested on Friday that people were not able to get any compensation for a loss of electrical supply during Wednesday’s islandwide power outage, answering an urgent opposition question in the House of Representatives.

This is in contrast to initial reports in Newsday on Friday which cited a Regulated Industries Commission (RIC) statement that suggested there could have been an entitlement to compensation.

https://newsday.co.tt/2022/02/19/gonzal ... -blackout/

According to the article, it appears that the cause of the outage happened outside of TTEC control. If so, then you won't be entitled to the $60. But your blind opposition to anything government shouldn't cloud your use of common sense.

[hover11]

TAKE BULL.....

MINISTER SAYS THAT CITIZENS WON'T BE COMPENSATED FOR THE BLACKOUT.

Minister of Public Utilities Marvin Gonzales suggested on Friday that people were not able to get any compensation for a loss of electrical supply during Wednesday’s islandwide power outage, answering an urgent opposition question in the House of Representatives.

This is in contrast to initial reports in Newsday on Friday which cited a Regulated Industries Commission (RIC) statement that suggested there could have been an entitlement to compensation.

https://newsday.co.tt/2022/02/19/gonzal ... -blackout/

According to the article, it appears that the cause of the outage happened outside of TTEC control. If so, then you won't be entitled to the $60. But your blind opposition to anything government shouldn't cloud your use of common sense.

Sure when it happens again, hope you share that same sentiment pleb

[sMASH]

TAKE BULL.....

MINISTER SAYS THAT CITIZENS WON'T BE COMPENSATED FOR THE BLACKOUT.

Minister of Public Utilities Marvin Gonzales suggested on Friday that people were not able to get any compensation for a loss of electrical supply during Wednesday’s islandwide power outage, answering an urgent opposition question in the House of Representatives.

This is in contrast to initial reports in Newsday on Friday which cited a Regulated Industries Commission (RIC) statement that suggested there could have been an entitlement to compensation.

https://newsday.co.tt/2022/02/19/gonzal ... -blackout/

According to the article, it appears that the cause of the outage happened outside of TTEC control. If so, then you won't be entitled to the $60. But your blind opposition to anything government shouldn't cloud your use of common sense.

what i had suggested is, that ttec handle the compensation, and pass the bill to the relevant supplier.

[hover11]

TAKE BULL.....

MINISTER SAYS THAT CITIZENS WON'T BE COMPENSATED FOR THE BLACKOUT.

Minister of Public Utilities Marvin Gonzales suggested on Friday that people were not able to get any compensation for a loss of electrical supply during Wednesday’s islandwide power outage, answering an urgent opposition question in the House of Representatives.

This is in contrast to initial reports in Newsday on Friday which cited a Regulated Industries Commission (RIC) statement that suggested there could have been an entitlement to compensation.

https://newsday.co.tt/2022/02/19/gonzal ... -blackout/

According to the article, it appears that the cause of the outage happened outside of TTEC control. If so, then you won't be entitled to the $60. But your blind opposition to anything government shouldn't cloud your use of common sense.

what i had suggested is, that ttec handle the compensation, and pass the bill to the relevant supplier.

Na let the taxpayers take bull and hope they forget next rounds, ppl paying for water and can't get a decent supply so I guess we accustom , I get a daily supply

[adnj]

GORTT owns the entire supply chain from Nat Gas to TGU to TTEC

Any alternative supply chain -solar,wind will begin to dismantle the shell game.

Nat Gas Subs and Elec Subs compound with Fuel Subs to enable the whole economic shebang to work.

initial set up for renewables is very very costly, and tho running costs tend to be low, the replacement tends to be 10y down the road and also very costly.
so, the contractors can get pay out for the short term, for the set up which can take a few years well.

they will not be able to dig out we eye continuously... unless they get a build/maintain contract. and invoice the govt 2000 per day for a labourer to dust off solar panels, for a 250 a day

You're wrong.

-------

Wind and solar projects can operate for decades and can be developed more rapidly than other generation sources.

All power plants and their components have a “useful life” before they need replacement or repair. The useful lifespan of renewable facilities can exceed two decades. Wind turbines, for example, are estimated to last for about 20 years, and photovoltaic systems often remain operational from 25 to 40 years. In some instances, as large wind turbines become more efficient and economic, equipment turnover has been accelerated. In these cases, smaller turbines have been replaced earlier than they might otherwise have been by larger, more efficient turbines, to substantially increase electricity production at existing sites.

Furthermore, renewable energy facilities can typically be deployed more rapidly than fossil fuel plants. While solar and onshore wind farms normally take less than two years to build, gas-fired power plants usually take as many as four years to become operational, and can also require construction of gas pipeline infrastructure.

https://www.wri.org/insights/setting-re ... ble-energy

What a load of bull5hit

Wind turbines have failed as Europe have proved this .

Solar is very complex and difficult to use in very sunny climates and cold countries on an industrial use. Solar only works in the day and has to use very costly batteries.

Private use for homes is a benefit but not for commercial use. Reason being is in hot climates, the efficency of cells deteriorates very fast as the cell burn themselves out. In cooler countries sunlight is a problem for commercial use. There is a reason why solar failed in the Sahara and Las Vegas.

Solar for your house is a plus.

No. You're wrong.

Europe has 70% of wind generatiin in the world.

Solar is no just PV.

Batteries are not the only way to store solar energy generated power.

Aramco has more solar generation than most regions of the world, has the lowest production cost per Mw and is building a new US$1 billion plant.

If I am wrong then the numerous reports must also be wrong.

https://www.planningresource.co.uk/arti ... lly-viable.

https://quixoteslaststand.wordpress.com ... well-done/

https://www.producer.com/opinion/unreli ... is-costly/

https://theearthproject.com/solar-farms-pros-and-cons/

Yes. They are wrong.

You are wrong


Try harder

The fact is that you will not find anything that will substantively refute what I wrote.

Europe has 70% of floating* wind generation in the world.

Solar is no just PV.

Batteries are not the only way to store solar energy generated power.

Aramco has more solar generation than most regions of the world, has the lowest production cost per Mw and is building a new US$1 billion plant.

In addition, the links posted are not expressing universal opinion. Some are not even current. Three of the links were written a number of years ago and did not age well.

*editted

[goalpost]

Yes, let's try to bankrup companies in the electricity supply chain for a lil $60...steups
The CAUSE of the outage was TTEC's fault, the LENGTH of the outage (which is related to the compensation) was the generators faults.

[sMASH]

how deh goh lun? bring