Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

[88sins]

Ok a scenario for you all.

3 weeks ago someone came to the area asking for me, and my neighbors called me and asked if they could give them my number. I said ok, and that was that. Later on, I found out, my blasted wife fill out the mudda ass valuation form and send it in. That didn't go over well for her. But I go finish sort that out momentarily. That f-ckup gonna cost her. But I digress.

Anywhoo...

ffw to tonight, I got a call from a cell number Idk, from someone claiming to be from the CSO, asking me if I could make myself available at home tomorrow for them to come to conduct a survey (red flag #1), to which I replied no.
I then asked, who is conducting this survey and what it's about, and who would be using the data collected, and how was my household selected. To which she replied "the CSO & UNICEF conducting the survey, and that it's a survey about women and children and family life" (red flag #2, not saying how we were selected or who will be accessing the data)
She then asked if she could conduct their survey over the phone, to which I agreed.

So I say ok, ask your questions, and she starts off innocuously enough with:
How many ppl living in the home
My name and wife's name
Ages
DoB
Our respective education levels
Where we were born and our nationalities
Our ethnicities
All of these questions I answered politely.

So here's where it went sideways and upside down in a hurry.
She proceeded to ask the following, but before she does she says that she supposed to physically view these things for her "survey", but she will ask over the phone for now. So she asks:
Type of house
How many floors
How many rooms
How many rooms are used for sleeping
If it have ac, pipe borne water supply, water storage, water pump, heater,
Is there a landlines phone
What on the floor (tile, vinyl, concrete)
Type of windows and if they are burglar proofed
Roof material and condition
Type of ceiling

(Red flag fete, only red flag everywhere)

None of these questions I answered, and I told her flat out, I believe that you are calling in regards to the property tax and that you lied and misrepresented you purpose for contacting me. So she say if I don't want to answer because I don't believe her regarding what offices she claims to be conducting a survey for, or the purpose of said survey, that's fine and that I can speak to her supervisor, and would l like their name and contact, to which I replied no, and she asked if the supervisor could call me, to which I replied ok. I then bid her a good night and hung up.



So, idk if you noticed, but not a single question relevant to women and children and family life was asked. So, if you don't understand what I saying, lemme break it all the way down for you.

These rat-fuggers under the command of the primary rat sodomizer your dishonorable sinister minister of fine ants mr. Clown inbutt have now resorted to telling their lackeys to literally lie to you to get confirmation of information from you regarding the valuation form you submitted. All because they know that nobody will talk to them on the phone to confirm the information, and that they CANNOT enter your premises to confirm it without your express permission. Stinkin mc and dem. That is what allyuh vote for when you chose these rat bastards. Liars, crooks, thieves and conmen.



Be aware people, be very aware.

[The_Honourable]

Ok a scenario for you all.

3 weeks ago someone came to the area asking for me, and my neighbors called me and asked if they could give them my number. I said ok, and that was that. Later on, I found out, my blasted wife fill out the mudda ass valuation form and send it in. That didn't go over well for her. But I go finish sort that out momentarily. That f-ckup gonna cost her. But I digress.

Anywhoo...

ffw to tonight, I got a call from a cell number Idk, from someone claiming to be from the CSO, asking me if I could make myself available at home tomorrow for them to come to conduct a survey (red flag #1), to which I replied no.
I then asked, who is conducting this survey and what it's about, and who would be using the data collected, and how was my household selected. To which she replied "the CSO & UNICEF conducting the survey, and that it's a survey about women and children and family life" (red flag #2, not saying how we were selected or who will be accessing the data)
She then asked if she could conduct their survey over the phone, to which I agreed.

So I say ok, ask your questions, and she starts off innocuously enough with:
How many ppl living in the home
My name and wife's name
Ages
DoB
Our respective education levels
Where we were born and our nationalities
Our ethnicities
All of these questions I answered politely.

So here's where it went sideways and upside down in a hurry.
She proceeded to ask the following, but before she does she says that she supposed to physically view these things for her "survey", but she will ask over the phone for now. So she asks:
Type of house
How many floors
How many rooms
How many rooms are used for sleeping
If it have ac, pipe borne water supply, water storage, water pump, heater,
Is there a landlines phone
What on the floor (tile, vinyl, concrete)
Type of windows and if they are burglar proofed
Roof material and condition
Type of ceiling

(Red flag fete, only red flag everywhere)

None of these questions I answered, and I told her flat out, I believe that you are calling in regards to the property tax and that you lied and misrepresented you purpose for contacting me. So she say if I don't want to answer because I don't believe her regarding what offices she claims to be conducting a survey for, or the purpose of said survey, that's fine and that I can speak to her supervisor, and would l like their name and contact, to which I replied no, and she asked if the supervisor could call me, to which I replied ok. I then bid her a good night and hung up.

So, idk if you noticed, but not a single question relevant to women and children and family life was asked. So, if you don't understand what I saying, lemme break it all the way down for you.

These rat-fuggers under the command of the primary rat sodomizer your dishonorable sinister minister of fine ants mr. Clown inbutt have now resorted to telling their lackeys to literally lie to you to get confirmation of information from you regarding the valuation form you submitted. All because they know that nobody will talk to them on the phone to confirm the information, and that they CANNOT enter your premises to confirm it without your express permission. Stinkin mc and dem. That is what allyuh vote for when you chose these rat bastards. Liars, crooks, thieves and conmen.

Be aware people, be very aware.

The survey is legit, it starts from August 1st and ends November 30th

https://tt.loopnews.com/content/look-ou ... ust-1-2022

https://cso.gov.tt/multiple-indicator-c ... rvey-mics/

But i did read somewhere on facebook of persons (women) claiming to be from the CSO office and Valuation division attempting to get information for suspected criminal activity such as robberies.

The CSO team is walking around communities with ID collecting info during the day so for someone to be calling you in the night to get info is a huge red flag by itself.

[88sins]

Exactly, calling people 8pm? From a cell number? Very suspicious.
I find it even more suspicious that the focus of their questioning had more to do with the actual residence than the people who live on the property, even more so considering that many of the things she asked are exactly the same as what on the valuation form, and even worse when you realize she let it slip that she supposed to visually verify the responses you give for the questions she asking about the property. Wtf, since when the CSO or unicef want to visually verify the contents and what amenities and fittings and fixtures in ppl house? And why? And what does the tile in my house or the ceiling or the water tank and pump and how many bedrooms & bathrooms to do with family life? It blasted suspicious.

[VexXx Dogg]

Ok a scenario for you all.

3 weeks ago someone came to the area asking for me, and my neighbors called me and asked if they could give them my number. I said ok, and that was that. Later on, I found out, my blasted wife fill out the mudda ass valuation form and send it in. That didn't go over well for her. But I go finish sort that out momentarily. That f-ckup gonna cost her. But I digress.

Anywhoo...

ffw to tonight, I got a call from a cell number Idk, from someone claiming to be from the CSO, asking me if I could make myself available at home tomorrow for them to come to conduct a survey (red flag #1), to which I replied no.
I then asked, who is conducting this survey and what it's about, and who would be using the data collected, and how was my household selected. To which she replied "the CSO & UNICEF conducting the survey, and that it's a survey about women and children and family life" (red flag #2, not saying how we were selected or who will be accessing the data)
She then asked if she could conduct their survey over the phone, to which I agreed.

So I say ok, ask your questions, and she starts off innocuously enough with:
How many ppl living in the home
My name and wife's name
Ages
DoB
Our respective education levels
Where we were born and our nationalities
Our ethnicities
All of these questions I answered politely.

So here's where it went sideways and upside down in a hurry.
She proceeded to ask the following, but before she does she says that she supposed to physically view these things for her "survey", but she will ask over the phone for now. So she asks:
Type of house
How many floors
How many rooms
How many rooms are used for sleeping
If it have ac, pipe borne water supply, water storage, water pump, heater,
Is there a landlines phone
What on the floor (tile, vinyl, concrete)
Type of windows and if they are burglar proofed
Roof material and condition
Type of ceiling

(Red flag fete, only red flag everywhere)

None of these questions I answered, and I told her flat out, I believe that you are calling in regards to the property tax and that you lied and misrepresented you purpose for contacting me. So she say if I don't want to answer because I don't believe her regarding what offices she claims to be conducting a survey for, or the purpose of said survey, that's fine and that I can speak to her supervisor, and would l like their name and contact, to which I replied no, and she asked if the supervisor could call me, to which I replied ok. I then bid her a good night and hung up.



So, idk if you noticed, but not a single question relevant to women and children and family life was asked. So, if you don't understand what I saying, lemme break it all the way down for you.

These rat-fuggers under the command of the primary rat sodomizer your dishonorable sinister minister of fine ants mr. Clown inbutt have now resorted to telling their lackeys to literally lie to you to get confirmation of information from you regarding the valuation form you submitted. All because they know that nobody will talk to them on the phone to confirm the information, and that they CANNOT enter your premises to confirm it without your express permission. Stinkin mc and dem. That is what allyuh vote for when you chose these rat bastards. Liars, crooks, thieves and conmen.



Be aware people, be very aware.

very suspect

[wing]

Ok a scenario for you all.

3 weeks ago someone came to the area asking for me, and my neighbors called me and asked if they could give them my number. I said ok, and that was that. Later on, I found out, my blasted wife fill out the mudda ass valuation form and send it in. That didn't go over well for her. But I go finish sort that out momentarily. That f-ckup gonna cost her. But I digress.

Anywhoo...

ffw to tonight, I got a call from a cell number Idk, from someone claiming to be from the CSO, asking me if I could make myself available at home tomorrow for them to come to conduct a survey (red flag #1), to which I replied no.
I then asked, who is conducting this survey and what it's about, and who would be using the data collected, and how was my household selected. To which she replied "the CSO & UNICEF conducting the survey, and that it's a survey about women and children and family life" (red flag #2, not saying how we were selected or who will be accessing the data)
She then asked if she could conduct their survey over the phone, to which I agreed.

So I say ok, ask your questions, and she starts off innocuously enough with:
How many ppl living in the home
My name and wife's name
Ages
DoB
Our respective education levels
Where we were born and our nationalities
Our ethnicities
All of these questions I answered politely.

So here's where it went sideways and upside down in a hurry.
She proceeded to ask the following, but before she does she says that she supposed to physically view these things for her "survey", but she will ask over the phone for now. So she asks:
Type of house
How many floors
How many rooms
How many rooms are used for sleeping
If it have ac, pipe borne water supply, water storage, water pump, heater,
Is there a landlines phone
What on the floor (tile, vinyl, concrete)
Type of windows and if they are burglar proofed
Roof material and condition
Type of ceiling

(Red flag fete, only red flag everywhere)

None of these questions I answered, and I told her flat out, I believe that you are calling in regards to the property tax and that you lied and misrepresented you purpose for contacting me. So she say if I don't want to answer because I don't believe her regarding what offices she claims to be conducting a survey for, or the purpose of said survey, that's fine and that I can speak to her supervisor, and would l like their name and contact, to which I replied no, and she asked if the supervisor could call me, to which I replied ok. I then bid her a good night and hung up.



So, idk if you noticed, but not a single question relevant to women and children and family life was asked. So, if you don't understand what I saying, lemme break it all the way down for you.

These rat-fuggers under the command of the primary rat sodomizer your dishonorable sinister minister of fine ants mr. Clown inbutt have now resorted to telling their lackeys to literally lie to you to get confirmation of information from you regarding the valuation form you submitted. All because they know that nobody will talk to them on the phone to confirm the information, and that they CANNOT enter your premises to confirm it without your express permission. Stinkin mc and dem. That is what allyuh vote for when you chose these rat bastards. Liars, crooks, thieves and conmen.



Be aware people, be very aware.

very suspect

First time I hearing of something like this. But would a disgruntled public servant go the extra mile to call at night for something like property tax? It would seem to be a fact finding mission for some nefarious purpose. Be careful out there and remember not everything has to be politicized.

[88sins]

A happy public servant in dis place don't go the extra millimeter.

I waiting for the "supervisor", and I have the number written down and the entire convo recorded and saved on a cd, just in case I need to follow up on this.

[DMan7]

Why would you answer an unknown number in the night though?

[88sins]

Why would you answer an unknown number in the night though?

I answer my phone regardless of what time, whether or not I know the number or who's on the other end. Quite often times it's people who got referred to me regarding business, sometimes from overseas. Other times it's family and friends checking in, or need help or advice, or to tell me something that they think I should be informed about.
You never can tell, sometimes people you know or don't know may call you from an unfamiliar number to get or give you information that may be valuable or important. One time i had a good friend get in an accident an early morning about 1 am and lost his phone, and he borrowed a person phone to reach me for help.He knew that I answer when the phone rings regardless of the hour, once I hear it, and that if I miss the call and see more than 2 attempts were made to reach me I will call back as soon as I can.

But if I pick up and it's some random mook bringing nonsensical bs, theres nothing stopping me from letting them know to not call back and hang up the phone. If they call back, thatcnumber gets blocked. If they change it and call again, that will get blocked too, and so it will go till they either get smart or fed up.


daz just how I iz, you may deal with things differently, no judgment.

[Kenjo]

I’m confused as to how many random spam numbers people get called from in trinidad with the number of regular people who are too important to answer unknown numbers . Is it courts or standards you all owing money so ?

[88sins]

I’m confused as to how many random spam numbers people get called from in trinidad with the number of regular people who are too important to answer unknown numbers . Is it courts or standards you all owing money so ?

yuh unnastan.
not answering unfamiliar numbers is the go to response for people that expecting bailiff and credit collections calling.

[88sins]

But in all seriousness
What does the tile on my floor, or the pump, or the tank, or any of the fixtures and fittings in my house have to do with family life, to the extent that the CSO or UNICEF would want to send someone to visually verify what I have in my house?

I am under the impression that the alleged survey being conducted by the CSO is being used to collect information regarding the property tax. The questions too identical to be a mere coincidence, and the fact that when I asked what agency will be accessing the data she never responded didn't help her win me over either.

[maj. tom]

You can decline to participate in the data collection.

They came by me this morning and said my house was chosen. It was official, both of them had the CSO badge and were very polite. But I said nah and bye. The end.

That is how data is collected to index quality of life and various other global statistics that concern the UN. The stat experts with much more education and experience than any of us here would design questions to get real data, compared to just income and thinking that's a real survey on quality of life.

But you can just decline participation. They'll find somebody else.

[Chimera]

all this sounding like questions a bandit would like to know eh. legit survey or not, them questions real suspeck

So here's where it went sideways and upside down in a hurry.
She proceeded to ask the following, but before she does she says that she supposed to physically view these things for her "survey", but she will ask over the phone for now. So she asks:
Type of house
How many floors
How many rooms
How many rooms are used for sleeping
If it have ac, pipe borne water supply, water storage, water pump, heater,
Is there a landlines phone
What on the floor (tile, vinyl, concrete)
Type of windows and if they are burglar proofed
Roof material and condition
Type of ceiling

how many rooms used for sleeping.......(so they know how much rooms to look for persons quickly )
landline phone (if they use a cellphone jammer)
type of windows and if burglar proof...wha kinda freaking question that is
roof material and condition.......
type of ceiling......

cud jus be my usual paranoia talking

[timelapse]

all this sounding like questions a bandit would like to know eh. legit survey or not, them questions real suspeck

So here's where it went sideways and upside down in a hurry.
She proceeded to ask the following, but before she does she says that she supposed to physically view these things for her "survey", but she will ask over the phone for now. So she asks:
Type of house
How many floors
How many rooms
How many rooms are used for sleeping
If it have ac, pipe borne water supply, water storage, water pump, heater,
Is there a landlines phone
What on the floor (tile, vinyl, concrete)
Type of windows and if they are burglar proofed
Roof material and condition
Type of ceiling

how many rooms used for sleeping.......(so they know how much rooms to look for persons quickly )
landline phone (if they use a cellphone jammer)
type of windows and if burglar proof...wha kinda freaking question that is
roof material and condition.......
type of ceiling......

cud jus be my usual paranoia talking

You aren't being paranoid.PNM wants to seize your property, so this is the inventory

[Chimera]

You can decline to participate in the data collection.

They came by me this morning and said my house was chosen. It was official, both of them had the CSO badge and were very polite. But I said nah and bye. The end.

That is how data is collected to index quality of life and various other global statistics that concern the UN. The stat experts with much more education and experience than any of us here would design questions to get real data, compared to just income and thinking that's a real survey on quality of life.

But you can just decline participation. They'll find somebody else.

fack dem

these days you shouldnt even risk talking to someone by the gate, let everything be phone polls or online

next thing u stand up by the gate talking to someone and men driving through looking for someone to rob......

[88sins]

You can decline to participate in the data collection.

They came by me this morning and said my house was chosen. It was official, both of them had the CSO badge and were very polite. But I said nah and bye. The end.

That is how data is collected to index quality of life and various other global statistics that concern the UN. The stat experts with much more education and experience than any of us here would design questions to get real data, compared to just income and thinking that's a real survey on quality of life.

But you can just decline participation. They'll find somebody else.

All fine and dandy. But all I go say is this.

The CSO is a state owned and operated database and data collection organization.
The BIR/IRD is also a state owned and operated database and data collection agency, and also a revenue collection agency.

And I'm inclined to believe that once one state operates agency has acquired information from you, that ALL state agencies have access to that information, particularly if you don't have an option to insist and ensure that no other agency have access to any of the information you gave.

So, as far as I concerned, to hell with them and their "survey" with questions that way similar or even identical to the property valuation form questions.

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[death365]

Boy yuh can't be real, all Information collected in Ministries are ...

1. Suck in silos
2. Even if requested Ministries refuse to release it
3. We (our sweet country) can even share info between NIS and d place that register deaths (can't remember the name now) hence why "life certificates" exist


Take it from me no organisation/Ministries sharing info. Btw I am a career Public Servant

All fine and dandy. But all I go say is this.

The CSO is a state owned and operated database and data collection organization.
The BIR/IRD is also a state owned and operated database and data collection agency, and also a revenue collection agency.

And I'm inclined to believe that once one state operates agency has acquired information from you, that ALL state agencies have access to that information, particularly if you don't have an option to insist and ensure that no other agency have access to any of the information you gave.

So, as far as I concerned, to hell with them and their "survey" with questions that way similar or even identical to the property valuation form questions.

[88sins]

gtk you're a "career public servant", but wrap your head around these two things.

Firstly, just because they don't do something, that doesn't mean that they can't/won't ever start.
Secondly, a lot of information and already gets shared among government entities and agencies. They don't all just send data everywhere to each other on a whim, but take what I telling you, data gets where it needs to go when specific agencies decide they have a need for it.

EDIT
you want an example? Ok.

Ask yourself, where is information for the pool of potential jurors taken from?

[The_Honourable]

Govt eyes property tax revenue of $50M for 2023

Government has estimated property tax revenue of $50 million for 2023 – and an estimated $13.591 billion in revenue from oil companies in 2023 also.

The information is contained in the 2023 Budget document– Draft Estimates of Revenue (DER).

Debate on the 2023 Budget continues at 10 am on Friday with Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar’s reply.

She has the same length of time – four hours – as Finance Minister Colm Imbert utilised to present the Budget on Monday.

Imbert had said Government is on track to commence property tax collection in 2023 and after residential properties, assessment of commercial, industrial and agricultural properties will follow.

Imbert said the legal structure for the property tax is already in place, but Government intends to make “some simple amendments before the end of the year” to the Valuation of Land Act, to tighten and clarify the procedures for the gathering and processing of information and valuation of properties.

The DER document shows a line item for property tax with no actual figure for 2021, an estimate of $100 million for 2022, no revised estimate for 2022 and a 2023 estimate of $50 million.

More: https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/govt-ey ... 3ec2c14327

[The_Honourable]

Government readying for property tax – Imbert: 232,000 homes assessed

FINANCE Minister Colm Imbert on Wednesday said 232,000 residential properties have been assessed for value to form part of the land valuation roll which will be the basis of the property tax.

He spoke in the House of Representatives where he piloted the Valuation of Land (Amendment) Bill, 2023 which disaggregates the country's properties into four classes – residential, commercial, industrial and agricultural.

He said there was nothing draconian about the registration process.

With property tax at three per cent of a property's rental value, Imbert said to find the latter a valuer would examine factors such as the property market, individual aspects of a property such as its condition and location, and the topography of the land on which it was located.

He said a property could also be assessed on the basis of similar properties being rented plus national indicators. He said it would be "quite easy" to determine the rental value. He said very few areas have no rented houses, as he noted a high proportion of the population live in rented houses.

Imbert said the number of applications for public housing exceeded 100,000.

"It is also quite simple for the Valuation Division to do computer-assisted mass appraisal."

This mass appraisal would be done for similar houses in the same areas, but he also added that it could be done for samples of thousands of homes.

Imbert said in the US, property tax paid was typically US$3,700 per year (equivalent to $25,000 per year), while in the UK it was equivalent to $20,000 per year.

He said in TT it would be $1,000-1,200 per year. "So our tax is not as draconian as some persons would like us to believe. We need to get on with this."

Imbert accused some MPs of speaking out of both sides of their mouth, in lamenting shortfalls in funding for local government while also opposing the property tax.

The number of properties identified in TT from all sources - including aerial photos, TTEC data, and old land records was 600,000, he said.

TTEC data said 400,000 of these were residential, according to the type of electricity meter serving the property.

Some 49,000 were commercial, 3,000 industrial and the rest were agricultural and other.

He said the Valuation Division had digitized data on 570,541 properties in TT.

Imbert said the division said some time ago the number of residential properties registered has exceeded the 50 per cent threshold required to enact property tax.

Some 232,000 residential properties have been valued and were ready for the roll, he said.

"I'm satisfied within the next month the Commissioner of Valuation will produce the valuation role.

The roll then goes to the board of revenue to apply three per cent of rental value, Imbert added. He estimated lower-end taxes to be $90 per month, but high-end property owners paying more, such as up to $4,600 per year for houses in areas like Valsayn. "That's still one quarter of what it would be if you were living in England or the US, in a much smaller unit." This type of tax was used in more than 150 countries in the world to provide an income stream for local government, he said.

"What we are doing is finally bringing TT into the modern era, finally creating a dedicated income stream for municipal corporations no matter which political party is in charge, and finally providing local government bodies with the funding they require."

https://newsday.co.tt/2023/05/24/govern ... -assessed/

[Kickstart]

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[shake d livin wake d dead]

So if at least 400k homes are residential and 232k were assessed to be paying soon.....what happens to the remaining 168k???,

[The_Honourable]

So if at least 400k homes are residential and 232k were assessed to be paying soon.....what happens to the remaining 168k???,

From what I understand, Imbert just needed to meet the 50% residential threshold to trigger the new tax which happened a year ago. The remaining 168k would still be scheduled to be assessed.

[aaron17]

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[Kickstart]

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[bluefete]

Imbert give himself any exemptions from property tax as yet?

[aaron17]

We shall see

[paid_influencer]

PM: Just $3 a day
Property tax costs ‘less than a dinner mint’

FOR the “average person” property tax will cost $3 a day, “less than a dinner mint”.

So said Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley as he sought to justify the Government’s decision to impose property tax in order to fund the operations of reformed local government bodies.

..

“But no, like everything else, including child marriage, they opposed it. They opposing it on the grounds that you are going to have to pay property tax. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have no property, you will have no property tax to pay.

And those who have property abroad, they are the first in line to pay it out there. And, of course, if you have property and you have difficulty for reasons that can be established, in paying this tax, there is provision in the law for the Minister of Finance to give you an exemption..

.For example, you are somebody who is on government help already. We have 65,000 people who get government grants...some of those people have houses and as such can make a case that they can’t pay the tax. But the other 400,000 people with houses in the country, the average person can pay an average price. And the average price you’re talking about is about $1,200 to $1,300 a year, that’s $3 a day, less than a dinner mint,” he said.

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 58e82.html

does rowley really think a dinner mint is $3

maybe that is rich people dinner mint? $1,200 to $1,300 a year in dinner mint

[maj. tom]

well why he didn't break it down to cents per hour? Ent that easier for poor people to understand? Why not oxygen per second?