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Stephon. wrote:Being a good person is 100% better than being a God fearing religious person.
) then they are just pretending - I explained the "why" in an earlier post - being the "whited sepulchers" spoken about and condemned by some unemployed carpenter, 2000 years ago. ) ) or a multi-limbed workaholic... or a big mango tree in the sky (All Hail the Mango!!!)d spike wrote:The point of our existence here may very well be to learn to care for one another... one big, ant farm experiment to prove that love is supreme... In which case, even whether you believe in God or not is not really important - as the movie "Legion" showed, it's far more important that He believes in us... and our ability to love... to pick ourselves up from the mistakes that we make, to heal, to forgive... and to continue, striving in this reality to make the choices that we will be rewarded for in the next, and make this place a better place to live in, despite the turmoil, the earthquakes, the idiots, and the over-multiplicity of choices of underwear.
megadoc1 wrote:I believe all scripture should be taken literally unless where it is figurative.
well I can cast out demons because I took the word of God literally and tested it
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
oh and megdocmegadoc1 wrote:I believe all scripture should be taken literally unless where it is figurative.
well I can cast out demons because I took the word of God literally and tested it
which ones did you take figuratively?
megadoc1 wrote:d spike wrote:Perhaps my peers were right, and this was largely a waste of time on my part.
yes they were,the op wanted to know what was your best encounter with God
thats all
well with these kind of statements it seems like u hold anything as truthd spike wrote:megadoc1 wrote:d spike wrote:Perhaps my peers were right, and this was largely a waste of time on my part.
yes they were,the op wanted to know what was your best encounter with God
thats all
That's not all, my little tare. My peers' advice was in reference to trying to have this type of discussion via the internet with the likes of you.
I might point out to you that I have responded to the OP and his topic repeatedly, before you were posting here in this thread... probably while you were still pestering a certain female tuner for her to come so you could pray on her... or while you were busy perusing that NWS thread...
...and I might point out as well, that just like that other thread, the bulk of your posts have little to do with the OP's topic. Most of your posts seem to deal with who isn't going to heaven, highlighting that many of us are wrong or mistaken, or telling us to shut up - what does that have to do with your best encounter with God? Don't tell me... all this is actually your best encounter with God...
...and...
that is all.
EVA Unit-01 wrote:^^^ so d actual words of your Christ are figurative??? and do not need 2 b followed???
do you know what we are speaking about?
how den can u cal urself a CHRISTIAN if you ignore the very commandments of Jesus??? maybe am not and just trying to get duane to make a contribution
and what makes u believe dat everyting else He said WASN'T figurative as well??? i peeped
as for you & ur current absence: i hope u get ur church on!
cool
megadoc1 wrote:well with these kind of statements it seems like u hold anything as truth
d spike wrote:...and I might point out as well, that just like that other thread, the bulk of your posts have little to do with the OP's topic. Most of your posts seem to deal with who isn't going to heaven, highlighting that many of us are wrong or mistaken, or telling us to shut up - what does that have to do with your best encounter with God?
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
oh and megdocmegadoc1 wrote:I believe all scripture should be taken literally unless where it is figurative.
well I can cast out demons because I took the word of God literally and tested it
which ones did you take figuratively?
Luke 18:18-27
18A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.
20You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'[a]"
21"All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
23When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.
24Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
d spike wrote:megadoc1 wrote:well with these kind of statements it seems like u hold anything as truth
Just as long as it's true, boyo. ok cool hold on to it The following statement, for example - which you ignored:d spike wrote:...and I might point out as well, that just like that other thread, the bulk of your posts have little to do with the OP's topic. Most of your posts seem to deal with who isn't going to heaven, highlighting that many of us are wrong or mistaken, or telling us to shut up - what does that have to do with your best encounter with God?
megadoc1 wrote:d spike wrote:megadoc1 wrote:well with these kind of statements it seems like u hold anything as truth
Just as long as it's true, boyo. ok cool hold on to it The following statement, for example - which you ignored:d spike wrote:...and I might point out as well, that just like that other thread, the bulk of your posts have little to do with the OP's topic. Most of your posts seem to deal with who isn't going to heaven, highlighting that many of us are wrong or mistaken, or telling us to shut up - what does that have to do with your best encounter with God?
but we can agree that if we looked back in the posts, we can see how we got there
d spike wrote:megadoc1 wrote:d spike wrote:megadoc1 wrote:well with these kind of statements it seems like u hold anything as truth
Just as long as it's true, boyo. ok cool hold on to it The following statement, for example - which you ignored:d spike wrote:...and I might point out as well, that just like that other thread, the bulk of your posts have little to do with the OP's topic. Most of your posts seem to deal with who isn't going to heaven, highlighting that many of us are wrong or mistaken, or telling us to shut up - what does that have to do with your best encounter with God?
but we can agree that if we looked back in the posts, we can see how we got there
1. No, we can't.
2. That is dodging a response.
3. Too tired to deal with your evasive tactics.
highlighting that many of us are wrong or mistaken, or telling us to shut up
Luke 18:18-27
18A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.
20You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'[a]"
21"All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
23When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.
24Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
megadoc1 wrote:did the cause for me doing that had any thing to do with your best encounter with God?
d spike wrote:Due to your irrational avoidance of topics raised (and the gaping holes in your arguments which in turn raise even more topics for you to answer) I have found myself repeating the same things, while you continue to ignore me as you spout your twaddle.
I tell you now, BE A MAN... GO BACK AND DEAL WITH THE CRAP YOU LEFT LYING ALL OVER THIS THREAD! PICK ANY OF MY RESPONSES AND ANSWER! YOU HAVEN'T EVEN ANSWERED SMASH - AND HE WAS VERY DIPLOMATIC IN HIS POST. YOU HAVE NO REGARD FOR ANYONE. YET YOU PERSIST IN SPRAYING YOUR BIGOTRY!
It's because of you and fools like you that this country is where it is, psychologically. You and your ilk have no regard for consequence. You flap your jaw, then turn your back, shrugging your shoulders and walk away... to do the same nonsense elsewhere. FACE YOUR SHEIT! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS! You did sheit. NOW WIPE IT UP!
You haven't the brains of a squashed caterpillar - even such a thing has more heart than you.
LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE!! Now Tunerland is viewing this thread as a christian-bashing amusement park, thanks mainly to you! ("Come on, let's fire up the PC and see what BS magadog has come up with...")
All you had to do was just take part in a rational discussion... but no, not you... you couldn't resist getting a chance to hit the big, red "Rebuke" button on your new toy, could you? Just had to blast and condemn, and make sure this new religion thing was working, eh? Thanks, lad... TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF ATTEMPTING TO SPREAD PEACE AND LOVE... and you just had to go and fcuk it up. eh? Too much to resist, eh? Just like the little idiot on the beach, who gets his jollies by waiting for other children to painstakingly build their sandcastles, to then run in and smash it...
The Devil's work, says I. Satan doesn't have one sheit to do now... he's cocking his feet up in a hammock on a beach somewhere, happy in the knowledge that you are somewhere on the internet, screwing christianity over a chair, in full view of everyone.
sMASH wrote:Luke 18:18-27
18A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.
20You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'[a]"
21"All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.
22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
23When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.
24Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
when jesus (pbuh) would have said that, he was making reference to that every body is imperfect, and fallible, and can potentially be that way, that the best of us is still not good enough,,, jesus (pbuh) included. he was alluding to the fact that he is not god and/or son of. he is saying that he is not perfect because he is a mere man.
god would not lie and say that he is not perfect, that he is not good.
This passage builds yet another contrast between the disciples and the response of others in the Jewish nation. The rich ruler represents the wealthy lay leadership in the nation and allows Luke to deal again with a theme that he has consistently kept before his readers: wealth and generosity (3:11; 5:11, 28; 6:23-26, 34-35, 38; 7:5; 8:3, 14; 10:34-35; 11:41; 12:13-21, 33; 14:12-14, 33; 16:9-13, 19-31; 18:22; 19:8; see Stein 1992:459). In fact, this passage reflects a theme that is central to Luke 18--19: the disciple's trust should lead to humble service (18:17).
The rich man lacks the trust of the blind man of verses 35-43, as well as the penitent heart of Zacchaeus (19:1-10). The rich man's attitude is more like that of the Pharisee of 18:9-14. The self-confidence he reflects, along with his sense of sinlessness, is condemned by Jesus. In contrast, by trusting and following Jesus, the disciples have given what he has asked for. They will have a rich reward, both now and in the life to come (vv. 29-30).
Most of the account's difficult aspects come at the start. When the rich ruler calls Jesus good, the teacher rebukes him. Apparently Jesus wants to warn the man not to be impressed by human credentials--a problem Jesus will face later in his own life, when the Pharisees challenge his authority (20:1-8). Being excessively tied to credentialed teachers might distract the man from pursuing God. God alone is good; he is the One who deserves attention and allegiance, a key Old Testament theme (1 Chron 16:34; 2 Chron 5:13; Ps 34:8; 106:1; 118:1, 29; 136:1). Jesus is not replying to deprecates himself, but qualifying how the man views the teaching office in general. The teaching role, even for one who does it well, is not to be overly exalted. Jesus' refusal to accept the man's flattery also warns the man that Jesus will shoot straight with him.
More important is the man's question. It matches what a lawyer asked in 10:25: "What must I do to inherit eternal life?" He wants to know how he can be sure he will share in the life to come. Jesus' reply focuses on the standard of righteousness as represented in portions of the Ten Commandments. Avoiding adultery, murder, stealing and lying, as well as the positive call to honor one's parents, are specifically noted. The spirit of Jesus' reply fits with what was said in 10:25-28, where the commandment to love God and others was cited more generally. In this context the reply is significant, because the issue of money, which will surface shortly, can make us view others as means to an end, rather than as people. So Jesus concentrates here on commandments dealing with how we relate to others. In fact, in Judaism honoring parents might imply financial responsibility for them in their old age (Tobit 4:3; Sirach 3:3-16; L. T. Johnson 1991:277).
Jesus' reply has troubled some as being "too Old Testament" in tone. Where is the appeal to follow Jesus? One could argue it is implied in Jesus' words. By steering the man toward faithfulness to God, Jesus steers the man toward following him. Jesus could steer people to him through his teaching (6:46-49; 11:29-32) or remind them of the ethical standard God desires, as he does here. There is no contradiction in this for him. As Stein (1992:455) says, "For Luke true faith involved loving God with all one's heart and one's neighbor as oneself. . . . Likewise loving God with all one's heart . . . and one's neighbor as oneself involves faith in Jesus."
To trust God means to rest in him and his way. To pursue such a path is not works, but relationship with God. The entry into grace and relationship saves; the path and pursuit of righteousness follow.
Now the man's problem begins to surface. He is confident that he can stand before God on his own merit: he has kept all the commandments since boyhood. His confidence recalls the Pharisee of verses 9-14: he has kept the law.
Jesus wishes to check this confidence with a further demand that will reveal two things: (1) how generous the man is and (2) whether he will listen to Jesus. He still lacks something. Here Jesus is not asking the man to do something he asks everyone to do, since he will commend Zacchaeus's generosity in 19:1-10 without asking him to sell all. What Jesus does is test the man's heart and attachments. Is God placed ahead of worldly possessions in this man's life? Does the man really love God and others? So Jesus tells him that he lacks one thing: he must sell all his possessions.
But to stop here is to miss the point. Jesus goes on to promise the man treasure in heaven if he will follow Jesus. The need to come to Jesus, to trust him, is not absent from the passage. It is merely defined by reference to the obstacle that stands between the man and God: his security in his wealth.
The man's response says it all. He is very sad. The choice is a painful one, and he refuses to consider it. Grieved at the options, he chooses his wealth.
There is another premise in Jesus' response that may prompt the disciples' reaction. Wealth was generally seen as evidence of divine blessing and pleasure. If Jesus is implying that wealth is not such a guarantee, then how can one know God's blessing? Jesus had answered this question in 10:20 with regard to power, but here he raises it again with the issue of wealth and status, since to sell all and follow Jesus would mean that the rich man's social status would be changed forever. Jesus responds to the rich man's somber mood by driving the point home: "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!" He looks at the man as he says it. Wealth and the false sense of security that comes with it can prevent one from meeting God.
Jesus is not done. He explains that a camel can get through the eye of a needle more easily than a rich person can enter the kingdom. Now some have argued that Jesus is talking about a small gate at the entrance to Jerusalem named the "Needle's Eye Gate." But this view clearly blunts the force of his statement. How hard is it for a camel to go through a small gate? Not very hard, yet Jesus and the disciples agree that he is expressing an impossibility, at least for human beings (vv. 26-27). So Jesus is using his common style of rhetorical hyperbole (compare 6:41; 17:2). The hyperbole here makes it clear that a rich man on his own will never make a choice for the kingdom. It is impossible. The priorities it requires demand a new heart.
The disciples catch the tension and are shocked. If the rich cannot be saved and experience ultimate divine blessing, who then can be saved? If those at the top of the ladder who enjoy God's rich material provision do not get in, where is hope for anyone else?
Jesus notes that God can do the impossible. He can change hearts and priorities. God's power and grace yield the change. People do not save themselves or earn God's blessing; God provides it. This is why Paul calls the gospel the power of God in Romans 1:16-17. God deals with sin and changes the heart.
[/quote]d spike wrote:Due to your irrational avoidance of topics raised (and the gaping holes in your arguments which in turn raise even more topics for you to answer) I have found myself repeating the same things, while you continue to ignore me as you spout your twaddle.
I tell you now, BE A MAN... GO BACK AND DEAL WITH THE CRAP YOU LEFT LYING ALL OVER THIS THREAD! PICK ANY OF MY RESPONSES AND ANSWER! YOU HAVEN'T EVEN ANSWERED SMASH - AND HE WAS VERY DIPLOMATIC IN HIS POST. YOU HAVE NO REGARD FOR ANYONE. YET YOU PERSIST IN SPRAYING YOUR BIGOTRY!
It's because of you and fools like you that this country is where it is, psychologically. You and your ilk have no regard for consequence. You flap your jaw, then turn your back, shrugging your shoulders and walk away... to do the same nonsense elsewhere. FACE YOUR SHEIT! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS! You did sheit. NOW WIPE IT UP!
You haven't the brains of a squashed caterpillar - even such a thing has more heart than you.
LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE!! Now Tunerland is viewing this thread as a christian-bashing amusement park, thanks mainly to you! ("Come on, let's fire up the PC and see what BS magadog has come up with...")
All you had to do was just take part in a rational discussion... but no, not you... you couldn't resist getting a chance to hit the big, red "Rebuke" button on your new toy, could you? Just had to blast and condemn, and make sure this new religion thing was working, eh? Thanks, lad... TWO THOUSAND YEARS OF ATTEMPTING TO SPREAD PEACE AND LOVE... and you just had to go and fcuk it up. eh? Too much to resist, eh? Just like the little idiot on the beach, who gets his jollies by waiting for other children to painstakingly build their sandcastles, to then run in and smash it...
The Devil's work, says I. Satan doesn't have one sheit to do now... he's cocking his feet up in a hammock on a beach somewhere, happy in the knowledge that you are somewhere on the internet, screwing christianity over a chair, in full view of everyone.
keep it upd spike wrote:Does it matter whether you believe that God is an "emo being", or a just, immovable judge, or a generous mango tree?
How does my belief affect your way of life, if we both observe similar values?
...and why are some people so convinced that they have to be the bouncers outside the door of christianity?
You are placed here, and you find a path, then you walk. The ones to be concerned about are those who sit on the side, watching others pass them by. Whatever happened to "Be hot or cold, for if you are lukewarm I will spit you out"?
The fact that folks uphold values, and raise their little ones to follow these, should make us grateful.
Certain folks can't deal with this concept, because in their simple world, people are either pew-fodder, unable to think for themselves, anxious to hear what claptrap 'the chosen' have to spout - whether it makes sense or not, empty-headed ranters and ravers, unable to think for themselves, determined to storm the gates of heaven - whether God wills it or no; or they are evil, single-minded nay-sayers, unable to think for themselves, tumbling along with the latest God-denying pseudo-scientific fad.
megadoc1 wrote:now look how I see it
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:megadoc1 wrote:now look how I see it
FINALLY!!!!
100+ pages for you to finally admit to yourself that all of this is just your point of view.
It is therefore NOT necessarily correct.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:megadoc1 wrote:now look how I see it
FINALLY!!!!
100+ pages for you to finally admit to yourself that all of this is just your point of view.
It is therefore NOT necessarily correct.
I said a lot of things but if you want to hold on to that one to be comfortable ,fix upDuane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ how is it my point of view that YOU said "now look how I see it"?
you said it, not me
megadoc1 wrote:I said a lot of things but if you want to hold on to that one to be comfortable ,fix upDuane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ how is it my point of view that YOU said "now look how I see it"?
you said it, not me
megadoc1 wrote:I said a lot of things but if you want to hold on to that one to be comfortable ,fix upDuane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ how is it my point of view that YOU said "now look how I see it"?
you said it, not me
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ megadoc1 clearly even you should think a Christian is MORE than just someone who believes in Christ! If so then Lucifer is a Christian too, cause surely he knows Jesus is the son of God!
FYI the term "Christian" is also used adjectivally to describe anything associated with Christianity, or in a proverbial sense "all that is noble, and good, and Christ-like."QG wrote:Simply because he is God and can do anythng...but 1 John 1:5 - This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
He may have created it, but he is not part of it.
ok, I'm maybe beginning to understand
but if in him is is no darkness at all and he is not part of it, why would he have created it?
it is difficult to see why God would have created evil and then have to go through the eons teaching man to avoid it, wiping out everyone in the great flood, and giving his only son for something that he created.
Sorry it's not adding up for me, can you explain?
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