Petrotrin refinery shut down

[zoom rader]

^ you think I studying them. It clear from my posts that my thinking level is beyond theirs. So I am not bothered by the rantings and ravings of the uninformed.

Self praise is no praise .

Keep going you on top for another Tun Tun of the week

[elec2020]

^ got you

[De Dragon]

^ you think I studying them. It clear from my posts that my thinking level is beyond theirs. So I am not bothered by the rantings and ravings of the uninformed.

Condescend much OJT?
Explain, without any deflection or mention of the UNC, how exactly the failure of Patriotic's bid for the refinery can be laid at the feet of the Opposition leader, seeing as you're all superior and sheit.

[elec2020]

^ since when have i deflected. Is u guys that do that. Also your statement... "Explain, without any deflection or mention of the UNC, how exactly the failure of Patriotic's bid for the refinery can be laid at the feet of the Opposition leader" is contradictory. How can i criticize the opposition leader without mentioning UNC. Anyway... as stated by Roget

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... d1e70.html


Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar attempted to harm the Oilfields Workers’ Trade Union’s bid through Patriotic Energies and Technologies to acquire the assets of the former Petrotrin refinery. But she failed. As he blasted Persad-Bissessar over statements she made this week on Patriotic’s proposal to own and re-start the refinery at Pointe-a-Pierre, OWTU president general Ancel Roget said there was an attempt by the Opposition Leader to cause “great injury” to the acquisition process.
In a UNC virtual meeting on Monday, Persad-Bissessar raised questions about Patriotic’s bid for the assets of the former State oil company and its proposed financing arrangements through Trafigura, one of the world’s largest commodities traders.
Addressing reporters at OWTU’s San Fernando headquarters yesterday, Roget said: “We want to condemn in the strongest possible terms outright all of those assertions made by the honourable Leader of the Opposition in her campaign to deny us an opportunity to protect our legacy and to advance Trinidad and Tobago and to advance the concerns and the well-being of the small man who today is left wanting.” He said the records would show that the UNC was always against the OWTU and Patriotic acquiring the refinery, making it clear that if they had won the general election, they were going to cancel the acquisition process. “When the announcement was made on October 31 that Patriotic will no longer be part of this acquisition process and that our proposal was denied, what in fact that did, while it brought sorrow and pain and agony not just to the OWTU and its members but to the hundreds of thousands of persons in Trinidad and Tobago, it brought joy to the heart of the honourable Leader of the Opposition. “I also wish to remind everyone that it was only in October of last year, two prominent individuals from the United National Congress went to the High Court and filed an injunction to stop the process while at the same time they portrayed they were supporting Petrotrin workers.”

Obsession with Trafigura
Addressing the Trafigura matter, Roget said there seemed to be some obsession and sustained campaign against Trafigura with a narrative that the company is a notorious trader and there was some conspiracy with OWTU and Trafigura, where the company came to Trinidad and Tobago under the pretext of assisting OWTU, but really to gain the assets of the country.
Roget shared a copy of an extract from an Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative report which showed the volume of business Trafigura did with State-owned Enterprises (SOEs), namely Lake Asphalt, Petrotrin and the National Gas Company for the period 2014–2017. The extract showed that Trafigura would have paid some US$758.65 million to the energy companies during that period, with US$80.79 million being paid to Petrotrin and US$105.6 million paid to NGC in 2014. “Two major revenue streams coming to the country when the now-Leader of the Opposition was then-prime minister. The Cabinet of Trinidad and Tobago must have known where these two major revenue streams came from. The (former) prime minister ought to have known. Her Minister of Energy then ought to have known. “My point this afternoon is she ought to have known indeed, if she didn’t know, then we’re in deep trouble because it will be likened to ‘sunshine can kill Covid’.” Roget said it is most outrageous, reckless and irresponsible for the Opposition Leader to try to portray the OWTU in scandal and collusion with Trafigura since she ought to have known that the company was dealing in Trinidad, specifically with Petrotrin, even prior to 2014. “It is incumbent upon us because we have the information, to put this information out in the public domain to condemn and once and for all put to bed this insatiable obsession with Trafigura.” “There was an attempt by the honourable Leader of the Opposition to spread misinformation in misleading the country by saying the original (request for proposal), which we placed our bid for, did not include Paria (Fuel Trading Company) and therefore we are now coming from behind to try to put in a bid to acquire Paria,” Roget told reporters. Roget said with the refinery in operation, it was necessary to have both refinery and a port. Thus, their bid would have been for the refinery, now identified as Guaracara, and the port, now identified as Paria.
“So our response to the RFP and to put in a bid, it had to have been for both refinery and port facilities for it to make any sense. More than that, for it to make any economical and operational sense, for it to benefit the company, and for it to benefit Trinidad and Tobago,” Roget said. He said it is a matter of public record that their bid was for both refinery and port, and it was an act of treachery for someone who had knowledge to the contrary, to peddle this. He added that Patriotic’s bid was announced in the Parliament and Persad-Bissessar was present when the announcement was made.

Attempt to cause hurt
On Monday Persad-Bissessar said that Patriotic had reduced its original bid of US$700 million to US$500 million, and that the Government was now willing to accept less money for the refinery. However, Roget explained the change in Patriotic’s offer.
“Our new proposal would have taken into account the offer made by the Minister of Finance. We would have responded to that except to say that we’re now paying upfront for what we would have taken 13 years to pay — a three year moratorium, ten years to pay. “And the net present value, what that would value in 13 years down the road is what our offer would have worked out to be in today’s value. And therefore, using the formula and guided by the experts in this regard, we would have come up with a price and that price would have been put forward in our proposal.” He also noted that the refinery would have been out of operation for two years and maintenance work would have to be done on some of its equipment to get them operational. “You cannot take off a refinery, some 23 plants, leave it off for two years and then expect to start it up just like that. It takes a whole lot of capital and because we want to ensure that when it starts up, it can run and make money, pay all our debts, it has to be with a level of reliability and therefore we have to repair. “The goodly Leader of the Opposition gave Patriotic the thumbs down and make it look we want to have a steal of a deal ‘because they offered US$700 million and now they offering less, they offer US$500 million’. “What took place, there was an attempt to cause great injury and harm to the acquisition process, to ensure that those assets are not acquired on behalf of our people of Trinidad and Tobago.” Roget said Persad-Bissessar’s pronouncements were meant to be a fatal blow to ensure that the small man did not rise to economic prominence in the country and it represented a thinly-veiled approach to hide the real intention to halt the process. He said after calling for an independent valuation committee to review their proposal and the announcement was made that Patriotic was still in the game, and they now afforded an opportunity to present before the committee the full extent of their proposal, that would have angered and infuriated the person who would have joy had they not gotten to go ahead with the acquisition process.
He added that they met with the valuation committee last Friday and were scheduled to meet again yesterday.

Also from the express...

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 147dc.html

“Humiliated” by the discovery of her plagiarism, Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar decided to “interfere, intervene, undermine, lambaste and ¬destroy”.
So said Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley at a news conference yesterday at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann’s, at which he castigated the Opposition Leader for what he said was her consistent pattern of undermining Trinidad and Tobago’s national interests. He said it was her failure to issue “a simple two-line congratu¬latory message (to US president-elect Joe Biden) that led to her “desperate search” for a distraction and, in the process, she resorted to being irresponsible which could have grave consequences. He said much of what the Opposition Leader said at her Monday Night Forum were lies designed to damage the country and, he warned, could have grave consequences. “If as a result of this behaviour Patriotic (Energies and Technologies) lose their partners in any way and are not able to continue as we expect and we do not get the refinery started, it will be a continuation of a refinery being closed down,” he said. “She (Persad-Bissessar) was in deep doo-doo” and “she found her way out of that by looking into her mailbox and pulling out the document on the Patriotic ¬negotiations, “which she was happy to bring to the public”. Noting that these negotiations between Patriotic and Paria Fuel were being conducted behind closed doors so as “to protect positions as they evolve” until a point of agreement is arrived at, the Prime Minister said: “I don’t know where the Opposition Leader is coming from now to ‘surprise’ the country in her weekend of discovery by telling the country that she has discovered that the Government intends to sell the refinery.”

If you still don't understand why the Opposition Leader is being blamed for possibly de-railing the deal then idk what to tell you.

[wing]

Black Friday sale......one Refinery , was 700m, now 500m. Only while stocks last.

[Lou Screuz]

* a heap of doo doo from roget

* a heap of doo doo from rowliar

If you still don't understand why the Opposition Leader is being blamed for possibly de-railing the deal then idk what to tell you.

elec 2020

serious questions for you here

- Are you one of those people who believes that afra raymond is an agent of the unc
and his asking questions was deliberately done to frighten sandals and caused the deal to fall apart ?

- Are you one of those people who believes that KAMALA was trying to get america to put sanctions on T&T ?

just curious

[De Dragon]

^ since when have i deflected. Is u guys that do that. Also your statement... "Explain, without any deflection or mention of the UNC, how exactly the failure of Patriotic's bid for the refinery can be laid at the feet of the Opposition leader" is contradictory. How can i criticize the opposition leader without mentioning UNC. Anyway... as stated by Roget

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... d1e70.html


Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar attempted to harm the Oilfields Workers’ Trade Union’s bid through Patriotic Energies and Technologies to acquire the assets of the former Petrotrin refinery. But she failed. As he blasted Persad-Bissessar over statements she made this week on Patriotic’s proposal to own and re-start the refinery at Pointe-a-Pierre, OWTU president general Ancel Roget said there was an attempt by the Opposition Leader to cause “great injury” to the acquisition process.
In a UNC virtual meeting on Monday, Persad-Bissessar raised questions about Patriotic’s bid for the assets of the former State oil company and its proposed financing arrangements through Trafigura, one of the world’s largest commodities traders.
Addressing reporters at OWTU’s San Fernando headquarters yesterday, Roget said: “We want to condemn in the strongest possible terms outright all of those assertions made by the honourable Leader of the Opposition in her campaign to deny us an opportunity to protect our legacy and to advance Trinidad and Tobago and to advance the concerns and the well-being of the small man who today is left wanting.” He said the records would show that the UNC was always against the OWTU and Patriotic acquiring the refinery, making it clear that if they had won the general election, they were going to cancel the acquisition process. “When the announcement was made on October 31 that Patriotic will no longer be part of this acquisition process and that our proposal was denied, what in fact that did, while it brought sorrow and pain and agony not just to the OWTU and its members but to the hundreds of thousands of persons in Trinidad and Tobago, it brought joy to the heart of the honourable Leader of the Opposition. “I also wish to remind everyone that it was only in October of last year, two prominent individuals from the United National Congress went to the High Court and filed an injunction to stop the process while at the same time they portrayed they were supporting Petrotrin workers.”

Obsession with Trafigura
Addressing the Trafigura matter, Roget said there seemed to be some obsession and sustained campaign against Trafigura with a narrative that the company is a notorious trader and there was some conspiracy with OWTU and Trafigura, where the company came to Trinidad and Tobago under the pretext of assisting OWTU, but really to gain the assets of the country.
Roget shared a copy of an extract from an Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative report which showed the volume of business Trafigura did with State-owned Enterprises (SOEs), namely Lake Asphalt, Petrotrin and the National Gas Company for the period 2014–2017. The extract showed that Trafigura would have paid some US$758.65 million to the energy companies during that period, with US$80.79 million being paid to Petrotrin and US$105.6 million paid to NGC in 2014. “Two major revenue streams coming to the country when the now-Leader of the Opposition was then-prime minister. The Cabinet of Trinidad and Tobago must have known where these two major revenue streams came from. The (former) prime minister ought to have known. Her Minister of Energy then ought to have known. “My point this afternoon is she ought to have known indeed, if she didn’t know, then we’re in deep trouble because it will be likened to ‘sunshine can kill Covid’.” Roget said it is most outrageous, reckless and irresponsible for the Opposition Leader to try to portray the OWTU in scandal and collusion with Trafigura since she ought to have known that the company was dealing in Trinidad, specifically with Petrotrin, even prior to 2014. “It is incumbent upon us because we have the information, to put this information out in the public domain to condemn and once and for all put to bed this insatiable obsession with Trafigura.” “There was an attempt by the honourable Leader of the Opposition to spread misinformation in misleading the country by saying the original (request for proposal), which we placed our bid for, did not include Paria (Fuel Trading Company) and therefore we are now coming from behind to try to put in a bid to acquire Paria,” Roget told reporters. Roget said with the refinery in operation, it was necessary to have both refinery and a port. Thus, their bid would have been for the refinery, now identified as Guaracara, and the port, now identified as Paria.
“So our response to the RFP and to put in a bid, it had to have been for both refinery and port facilities for it to make any sense. More than that, for it to make any economical and operational sense, for it to benefit the company, and for it to benefit Trinidad and Tobago,” Roget said. He said it is a matter of public record that their bid was for both refinery and port, and it was an act of treachery for someone who had knowledge to the contrary, to peddle this. He added that Patriotic’s bid was announced in the Parliament and Persad-Bissessar was present when the announcement was made.

Attempt to cause hurt
On Monday Persad-Bissessar said that Patriotic had reduced its original bid of US$700 million to US$500 million, and that the Government was now willing to accept less money for the refinery. However, Roget explained the change in Patriotic’s offer.
“Our new proposal would have taken into account the offer made by the Minister of Finance. We would have responded to that except to say that we’re now paying upfront for what we would have taken 13 years to pay — a three year moratorium, ten years to pay. “And the net present value, what that would value in 13 years down the road is what our offer would have worked out to be in today’s value. And therefore, using the formula and guided by the experts in this regard, we would have come up with a price and that price would have been put forward in our proposal.” He also noted that the refinery would have been out of operation for two years and maintenance work would have to be done on some of its equipment to get them operational. “You cannot take off a refinery, some 23 plants, leave it off for two years and then expect to start it up just like that. It takes a whole lot of capital and because we want to ensure that when it starts up, it can run and make money, pay all our debts, it has to be with a level of reliability and therefore we have to repair. “The goodly Leader of the Opposition gave Patriotic the thumbs down and make it look we want to have a steal of a deal ‘because they offered US$700 million and now they offering less, they offer US$500 million’. “What took place, there was an attempt to cause great injury and harm to the acquisition process, to ensure that those assets are not acquired on behalf of our people of Trinidad and Tobago.” Roget said Persad-Bissessar’s pronouncements were meant to be a fatal blow to ensure that the small man did not rise to economic prominence in the country and it represented a thinly-veiled approach to hide the real intention to halt the process. He said after calling for an independent valuation committee to review their proposal and the announcement was made that Patriotic was still in the game, and they now afforded an opportunity to present before the committee the full extent of their proposal, that would have angered and infuriated the person who would have joy had they not gotten to go ahead with the acquisition process.
He added that they met with the valuation committee last Friday and were scheduled to meet again yesterday.

Also from the express...

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 147dc.html

“Humiliated” by the discovery of her plagiarism, Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar decided to “interfere, intervene, undermine, lambaste and ¬destroy”.
So said Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley at a news conference yesterday at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann’s, at which he castigated the Opposition Leader for what he said was her consistent pattern of undermining Trinidad and Tobago’s national interests. He said it was her failure to issue “a simple two-line congratu¬latory message (to US president-elect Joe Biden) that led to her “desperate search” for a distraction and, in the process, she resorted to being irresponsible which could have grave consequences. He said much of what the Opposition Leader said at her Monday Night Forum were lies designed to damage the country and, he warned, could have grave consequences. “If as a result of this behaviour Patriotic (Energies and Technologies) lose their partners in any way and are not able to continue as we expect and we do not get the refinery started, it will be a continuation of a refinery being closed down,” he said. “She (Persad-Bissessar) was in deep doo-doo” and “she found her way out of that by looking into her mailbox and pulling out the document on the Patriotic ¬negotiations, “which she was happy to bring to the public”. Noting that these negotiations between Patriotic and Paria Fuel were being conducted behind closed doors so as “to protect positions as they evolve” until a point of agreement is arrived at, the Prime Minister said: “I don’t know where the Opposition Leader is coming from now to ‘surprise’ the country in her weekend of discovery by telling the country that she has discovered that the Government intends to sell the refinery.”

If you still don't understand why the Opposition Leader is being blamed for possibly de-railing the deal then idk what to tell you.

So you're argument really is going to be "Roget say?"
You more under Red Plastic Bag spell than I thought.

[sMASH]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

[De Dragon]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

Grateness according to OJT elec and his mentor Red Plastic Bag.

[elec2020]

* a heap of doo doo from roget

* a heap of doo doo from rowliar

If you still don't understand why the Opposition Leader is being blamed for possibly de-railing the deal then idk what to tell you.

elec 2020

serious questions for you here

- Are you one of those people who believes that afra raymond is an agent of the unc
and his asking questions was deliberately done to frighten sandals and caused the deal to fall apart ?

- Are you one of those people who believes that KAMALA was trying to get america to put sanctions on T&T ?

just curious

I don't believe afra is a UNC agent. He has good intentions for TnT and he is trying to get the governnent to be more accountable. Truth be told if u look at other caribbean countries sandals awlays gets a good deal and as a result the benefits of the all inclusive chain are not fully spread to the populace. I think barbados for example did some research that highlighted that all inclusive chains in general are doing more bad than good for the barbados people due to the benefits they receive. So kudos to afra for trying to stop tnt from falling into that trap. Um i don't think kamla wanted tnt to get sanctions. I think she wanted pnm ministers to be sanctioned and as a result calling into disrepute their position in government and by extension the pnm slate. That was a clever plan by her but it didn't pan out. Personally instead of clever plans to get back into office for someone to get my vote they have to show me that they have a plan that will make tnt more viable and stable over their term.

[elec2020]

@ de dragon. Ok

[sMASH]

every body who want roget to get the refinery, should protest outside the OPM for rowley to accept the bid.

[zoom rader]

every body who want roget to get the refinery, should protest outside the OPM for rowley to accept the bid.

Not going happen, no protess are held when red Goverment is in office

[Redman]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

Well its a good thing that she was able to convince you to vote for her-you are one of the smart ones.

[elec2020]

^ she will get her chance again in 2025

she still loses

[sMASH]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

Well its a good thing that she was able to convince you to vote for her-you are one of the smart ones.

too bad the east west corridor lock... against thier own betterment.

[De Dragon]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

Well its a good thing that she was able to convince you to vote for her-you are one of the smart ones.

too bad the east west corridor lock... against thier own betterment.

Red Plastic Bag and OJT elec still feel that they and those Laventille/Beetham/EW corridor dummies who voted PNM "win" something because the PNM in power. The reality is, NOTHING will ever change for them, and they too stupid, or brainwashed to see it. Once "dem Indian eh in power" we good

[sMASH]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

Well its a good thing that she was able to convince you to vote for her-you are one of the smart ones.

too bad the east west corridor lock... against thier own betterment.

Red Plastic Bag and OJT elec still feel that they and those Laventille/Beetham/EW corridor dummies who voted PNM "win" something because the PNM in power. The reality is, NOTHING will ever change for them, and they too stupid, or brainwashed to see it. Once "dem Indian eh in power" we good

they win the boobie prize.. ah rotten bhaigan.

[Redman]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

Well its a good thing that she was able to convince you to vote for her-you are one of the smart ones.

too bad the east west corridor lock... against thier own betterment.

Red Plastic Bag and OJT elec still feel that they and those Laventille/Beetham/EW corridor dummies who voted PNM "win" something because the PNM in power. The reality is, NOTHING will ever change for them, and they too stupid, or brainwashed to see it. Once "dem Allyuh fully dunce people eh in power" we good

Don’t hide behind race.

[elec2020]

I said several times i hate racism. So why would i vote in one party over the other because of their race. I am not a hypocrite like dohplaydat. Also i did not vote for the past GE. As, as i said several times before, no one made sense. PNM policies, UNC policies and PEP policies were not going to put tnt on a path to quickly recover from the economic effects of this pandemic.

[De Dragon]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

Well its a good thing that she was able to convince you to vote for her-you are one of the smart ones.

too bad the east west corridor lock... against thier own betterment.

Red Plastic Bag and OJT elec still feel that they and those Laventille/Beetham/EW corridor dummies who voted PNM "win" something because the PNM in power. The reality is, NOTHING will ever change for them, and they too stupid, or brainwashed to see it. Once "dem Allyuh fully dunce people eh in power" we good

Don’t hide behind race.

Hide you say? What's changed for your personal betterment since the PNM got into office?

[sMASH]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

Well its a good thing that she was able to convince you to vote for her-you are one of the smart ones.

too bad the east west corridor lock... against thier own betterment.

Red Plastic Bag and OJT elec still feel that they and those Laventille/Beetham/EW corridor dummies who voted PNM "win" something because the PNM in power. The reality is, NOTHING will ever change for them, and they too stupid, or brainwashed to see it. Once "dem Allyuh fully dunce people eh in power" we good

Don’t hide behind race.

Hide you say? What's changed for your personal betterment since the PNM got into office?

landlord tell dem, GTFO east PoS...

[De Dragon]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

Well its a good thing that she was able to convince you to vote for her-you are one of the smart ones.

too bad the east west corridor lock... against thier own betterment.

Red Plastic Bag and OJT elec still feel that they and those Laventille/Beetham/EW corridor dummies who voted PNM "win" something because the PNM in power. The reality is, NOTHING will ever change for them, and they too stupid, or brainwashed to see it. Once "dem Allyuh fully dunce people eh in power" we good

Don’t hide behind race.

Hide you say? What's changed for your personal betterment since the PNM got into office?

landlord tell dem, GTFO east PoS...

Red Bag been trying to tag me with that racist tag years now. All in a bid to deflect and explain away my criticism of the obvious failings of his beloved RFLFD PNM

[sMASH]

racist? u ever see hinds with a indian? is like yuh throw salt on a crappo

[De Dragon]

racist? u ever see hinds with a indian? is like yuh throw salt on a crappo

When he and the rest of the LFRFD PNM crew cannot defend the indefensible, they're quick to play the race card.

[wing]

Back to the point.

[zoom rader]

racist? u ever see hinds with a indian? is like yuh throw salt on a crappo

Matter of fact how many red government minsters you see with injuns .

They all seem to stay within their tribe

[sMASH]

Back to the point.Screenshot_20201130-034239.jpeg

is the tl/dr rowley accepting roget bid?

[Redman]

the refinery will cost more than a billion to resume operations. and the longer it takes, the more work it will take to get the stuff ready.

kamala said she would have resumed operations as a state asset if elected.

she had contacts to get it resumed.
but no, people want to play games with the refinery and look what u get, hasakara

Well its a good thing that she was able to convince you to vote for her-you are one of the smart ones.

too bad the east west corridor lock... against thier own betterment.

Red Plastic Bag and OJT elec still feel that they and those Laventille/Beetham/EW corridor dummies who voted PNM "win" something because the PNM in power. The reality is, NOTHING will ever change for them, and they too stupid, or brainwashed to see it. Once "dem Allyuh fully dunce people eh in power" we good

Don’t hide behind race.

Hide you say? What's changed for your personal betterment since the PNM got into office?

Quite a bit DESPITE whoever is in power....you depend on Govt to achieve personal betterment?

[sMASH]

tell that to the thousands of unemployed, vocationally displaced and shuttered businesses. "u dont need the govt to foster a viable economic environment to prosper.

or u could be like cro cro and get a boost to the cepep budget and a cut to the education budget.
or an NEL worker that got bonuses when the share priced dropped.
should put a disclaimer: stated performances are not indicative of typical performances. individual performances will vary.