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Dohplaydat wrote:Anyway, looks like HIMARs might be useless (or less than ideal) in Ukraine.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Russian plot to kill Volodymyr Zelensky foiled, Kyiv says
The Ukrainian security service (SBU) says it has foiled a Russian plot to assassinate President Volodymyr Zelensky and other high-ranking Ukrainian officials.
Two Ukrainian government protection unit colonels have been arrested.
The SBU said they were part of a network of agents belonging to the Russian state security service (FSB).
Ever since Russian paratroopers attempted to land in Kyiv and assassinate President Zelensky in the early hours and days of the full-scale invasion, plots to assassinate him have been commonplace.
The Ukrainian leader said at the start of the invasion he was Russia's "number one target".
Offense is harder than defense.Dohplaydat wrote:Day 2 update for the Russian offensive into Kharkov.
Thus far Russian troops have advanced into Ukraine to a depth of approximately five kilometers over a fifty-kilometer strip of the border northeast of Kharkov, seizing a dozen villages. By way of comparison, this is more tactical success in 48 hours than Ukraine saw in their entire 2023 offensive, achieved with trivial loss to the Russian Army.
Currently Russian troops are attacking south towards Kharkov via Liptsy (marked in purple on the map), with reports that scouts have already penetrated to the town. There's another identifiable attack to seize the town of Volchansk, presumably en route to Velyki Berluki and Kupyansk; Russian troops are reported to have entered the town already.
It's likely we're still looking at shaping operations thus far - the Russians have not yet moved to attack west of Kharkov (marked out on the map) nor have they pushed over the border east of Volchansk. Looking at the map it's apparent that the engaged sector thus far is relatively undeveloped, suggesting the Russian command would like to draw the AFU into battle and fix them in the more open countryside between Kharkov and the Seversky Donets reservoir to the east.
The Russian force engaged thus far is by all reports relatively small and focused on feeling out the Ukrainian defenses. It occurs to me that we could in fact be looking at the Russian equivalent to an Armored Cavalry Regiment in action, probing ahead of what is presumably a corps-sized element uncoiling out of assembly areas in Belgorod Oblast. In any event the Russians seem to be in no hurry to develop the battle too quickly - the big arrows will come when they come. The Russians have an extraordinary level of drone surveillance and "fire control" over the battlefield right now, and Ukrainian forces caught under their gaze will wither quickly.
The Ukrainian command seems to be bizarrely fixated with the battle ongoing at Chasov Yar (an operational sideshow for weeks now) and paralyzed as to how to respond to this attack, although rumors have emerged that they're stripping units out of Kherson to redeploy to Kharkov. Given recent Russian moves to consolidate their control of the Dniper delta and threaten a push back onto the right bank this may be a critical blunder.
We shall have to await further developments as usual.
sMASH wrote:When taking these positions IMG_20240515_095747.jpg
Israel is an invention of European colonizers imposed on an indigenous population .Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:When taking these positions IMG_20240515_095747.jpg
But if you are told Palestinian needs to give up territory to Israel to make peace you will become Yasser Arafat
You are essentially Tuner's biggest hypocrite
sMASH wrote:Israel is an invention of European colonizers imposed on an indigenous population .Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:When taking these positions IMG_20240515_095747.jpg
But if you are told Palestinian needs to give up territory to Israel to make peace you will become Yasser Arafat
You are essentially Tuner's biggest hypocrite
Ukraine was a puppet of European imperialism encroaching on its perceived enemy.
Simpletons equate the two scenarios
The two countries’ shared heritage goes back more than a thousand years to a time when Kyiv, now Ukraine’s capital, was at the center of the first Slavic state, Kyivan Rus, the birthplace of both Ukraine and Russia. In A.D. 988 Volodymyr the Great, the pagan prince of Novgorod and grand prince of Kyiv, accepted the Orthodox Christian faith and was baptized in the Crimean city of Chersonesus. From that moment on, Russian leader Vladimir Putin recently declared, “Russians and Ukrainians are one people, a single whole.
et over the past 10 centuries, Ukraine has repeatedly been carved up by competing powers. Mongol warriors from the east conquered Kyivan Rus in the 13th century. In the 16th century Polish and Lithuanian armies invaded from the west. In the 17th century, war between the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Tsardom of Russia brought lands to the east of the Dnieper River under Russian imperial control. The east became known as "Left Bank" Ukraine; lands to the west of the Dnieper, or "Right Bank," were ruled by Poland.
More than a century later, in 1793, right bank (western) Ukraine was annexed by the Russian Empire. Over the years that followed, a policy known as Russification banned the use and study of the Ukrainian language, and people were pressured to convert to the Russian Orthodox faith.
Ukraine suffered some of its greatest traumas during the 20th century. After the communist revolution of 1917, Ukraine was one of the many countries to fight a brutal civil war before being fully absorbed into the Soviet Union in 1922. In the early 1930s, to force peasants to join collective farms, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin orchestrated a famine that resulted in the starvation and death of millions of Ukrainians. Afterward, Stalin imported large numbers of Russians and other Soviet citizens—many with no ability to speak Ukrainian and with few ties to the region—to help repopulate the east.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/hist ... vides-them
sMASH wrote:1000 years my foot. Ukraine is not even 50 years a state.
Ukraine was only a STATE in the modern sense of the term, after the desolution of the ussr.
Before thst the powers in that regions saw portions belonging it differnt powers at different times.
With the precession of the ussr seeing the eastern sections controlled by the now Russian and powers and the western sections by the now polish powers.
Lower sections were controlled by the ottoman empire even.
Falestini In sha allah...Dizzy28 wrote:sMASH wrote:1000 years my foot. Ukraine is not even 50 years a state.
Ukraine was only a STATE in the modern sense of the term, after the desolution of the ussr.
Before thst the powers in that regions saw portions belonging it differnt powers at different times.
With the precession of the ussr seeing the eastern sections controlled by the now Russian and powers and the western sections by the now polish powers.
Lower sections were controlled by the ottoman empire even.
The Ukraine SSR signed the charter that founded the UN in 1945. They were one of the first 51 countries that joined the UN at its inception. They have been on the UNSC several times since 1948
Yunno who has never been a state in any sense though - Palestine.
Dohplaydat wrote:Looks like European leaders are seeing the inevitable loss for Ukraine. So many freaking lives lost for what? This should have happened in march 2022
maj. tom wrote:This whole incident feels to me like the Italian job in Ethiopia in 1936.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War
Which was all just a prelude to WW2. It was all just another war of colonial grabbing and the League of Nations watched with the 1930s Appeasement attitude. And it was fine for the world powers of the time. It was completely acceptable and fine until 1st September 1939 when Germany crossed into Poland. In the 4 years before those countries (and Japan) were waging minor territorial or proxy wars while building up their forces gradually until they tipped the World Powers balance.
And I just have a bad feeling that's exactly how the next one will start. Cross that Poland border one day and NATO activates unconditionally.
Who ever watched the UK film Threads from 1984? Such fears can be real in our lifetime.
maj. tom wrote:No it wouldn't happen as the way it is right now.
Plenty more things will have to happen in the world to upset the scale of power, but I'm saying that this is just another one of those skirmishes that preludes a big war. The rest of the world can only watch and make empty lies and promises with a Phoney War declaration. Just like Poland 1939. The real war only started 10 May 1940.
Dohplaydat wrote:Russia has already won this war, I dono why Ukraine wasting time and lives, just negotiate and give them the Donbass
Dizzy28 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Russia has already won this war, I dono why Ukraine wasting time and lives, just negotiate and give them the Donbass
Russia is losing a thousand troops a day in this current offensive of thiers.
Why wouldn't Ukraine let them continue to take such losses?
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-suffers ... ed-1899692
Two days ago another Black Sea fleet missile carrier was taken out, supposedly the last one. Things may not be going Ukraine's way but Russia is certainly having a hard and expensive time as well.
https://armyrecognition.com/news/navy-n ... s-missiles
Ukraine is losing up to a thousand troops a day. Russia gets a 1000 recruits a month.Dizzy28 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Russia has already won this war, I dono why Ukraine wasting time and lives, just negotiate and give them the Donbass
Russia is losing a thousand troops a day in this current offensive of thiers.
Why wouldn't Ukraine let them continue to take such losses?
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-suffers ... ed-1899692
Two days ago another Black Sea fleet missile carrier was taken out, supposedly the last one. Things may not be going Ukraine's way but Russia is certainly having a hard and expensive time as well.
https://armyrecognition.com/news/navy-n ... s-missiles
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