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Petrotrin and red Goverment know exactly what they doing.Redman wrote:zoom rader wrote:Spin doctor protecting the red Goverment.Redman wrote:Agreed- but they cant prove whether the oil was actually delivered or not.
Which is not to say that it WAS delivered.
I think the substantiation of the claim is the problem, the cross checks at Petrotrin that were there to protect Petrotrins interest,and the MOEEIs interest were Deokisinghed.
No- I think it was happening...hands down.
And you know the players.
That said I dont think Petrotrin can prove it.
2009 to now....AV was bad so long before he get into oil.
easily when nations' opposition politicians make what we should assume to be false allegations I did say a few months ago that Kams will be blamed for the closure and sellimg of Petrotrin failure.Lou Screuz wrote:so if i hear right so far
all the bacchanal that went on with petrotrin
is the opposition fault
and if patriotic cannot get the refinery
it will be the opposition fault
because the largest traders and bankers in the world are 'skittish'
and get scared
smart man is still trying hard to make the case
that Afra Raymond asking questions about the sandals deal
made sandals afraid
and cause them to run away
You understand the play and I exposed this back in 2015. Redman and the red Goverment mob attacked me wanting to know I knew that Petrotrin is at the time was going to be sold. Fast forward 4 years later and we seeing it all falls in to place.elec2020 wrote:^ why you putting facts to dispute the claims of the UNC fanatics. Its clear that rowley and them is why the deal for the refinery is under pressure. Not because of the former PM's mis-information on the deal and lies on the health of the financial system (which would detract lenders willing to provide Patriotric with the capital needed for their investment). Rowley lying to we and looking to sell the refinery to he partners in the 1 per cent.
zoom rader wrote:You understand the play and I exposed this back in 2015. Redman and the red Goverment mob attacked me wanting to know I knew that Petrotrin is at the time was going to be sold. Fast forward 4 years later and we seeing it all falls in to place.elec2020 wrote:^ why you putting facts to dispute the claims of the UNC fanatics. Its clear that rowley and them is why the deal for the refinery is under pressure. Not because of the former PM's mis-information on the deal and lies on the health of the financial system (which would detract lenders willing to provide Patriotric with the capital needed for their investment). Rowley lying to we and looking to sell the refinery to he partners in the 1 per cent.
Our banks are propped by the underworld and Rowlee and his 40 thieves tried to stop it with the ridiculous money exchange program that failed.bluefete wrote:zoom rader wrote:You understand the play and I exposed this back in 2015. Redman and the red Goverment mob attacked me wanting to know I knew that Petrotrin is at the time was going to be sold. Fast forward 4 years later and we seeing it all falls in to place.elec2020 wrote:^ why you putting facts to dispute the claims of the UNC fanatics. Its clear that rowley and them is why the deal for the refinery is under pressure. Not because of the former PM's mis-information on the deal and lies on the health of the financial system (which would detract lenders willing to provide Patriotric with the capital needed for their investment). Rowley lying to we and looking to sell the refinery to he partners in the 1 per cent.
Ent the IMF said that under certain stress test conditions that our banks could be at risk of collapse?
daxt0r wrote:me eh so old an ting like some ah d older and much smarter heads here, but ah sure somebody here could answer
Who PNM did blame from 1962 to 1986?
because boy it seems even when the govt own actions are exposed kamala is somehow to be blamed, is their anything kamala can't be blamed for lol?
Ah wonder who close the refinery in the first place after dey stand up in front d whole Trinidad and say the refinery wouldn't be closed or sold and did exactly just that?
Which party did the incompetent Malcolm Jones and countless other who saddled it with debt belong too?
Who party financier and friend get to duck PT ah 100milli no questions asked, and in fact turn around the lawsuits so that we the taxpayer go end up paying him for his crimes?
The incompetent redundant workers belonged to which union that contrived to suck productivity dry from way back in Tesoro days over the years while demanding pay increases and maximum benefits and luxuries?
Is it really so easy to pull the wool over 320000 people eyes by just saying blame Kamala? What does that say about the intelligence level of these people who choose to believe ah man who held up a clearly typed of microsoft word document claiming it to be an email? I feel dem like all d ppl who get scam in pyramid/iml/forex/sou sou, they does just stay quiet an take it an even encourages others to partake in the sufferation lol.
To expose the corruption between the red Goverment union and the red Goverment.elec2020 wrote:https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/kamla-tried-to-harm-owtu-s-bid/article_ef9dedc6-2551-11eb-bca7-f71e235d1e70.html
Opposition Leader Kamla Persad-Bissessar attempted to harm the Oilfields Workers’ Trade Union’s bid through Patriotic Energies and Technologies to acquire the assets of the former Petrotrin refinery.
But she failed.
As he blasted Persad-Bissessar over statements she made this week on Patriotic’s proposal to own and re-start the refinery at Pointe-a-Pierre, OWTU president general Ancel Roget said there was an attempt by the Opposition Leader to cause “great injury” to the acquisition process.
In a UNC virtual meeting on Monday, Persad-Bissessar raised questions about Patriotic’s bid for the assets of the former State oil company and its proposed financing arrangements through Trafigura, one of the world’s largest commodities traders.
Addressing reporters at OWTU’s San Fernando headquarters yesterday, Roget said: “We want to condemn in the strongest possible terms outright all of those assertions made by the honourable Leader of the Opposition in her campaign to deny us an opportunity to protect our legacy and to advance Trinidad and Tobago and to advance the concerns and the well-being of the small man who today is left wanting.”
He said the records would show that the UNC was always against the OWTU and Patriotic acquiring the refinery, making it clear that if they had won the general election, they were going to cancel the acquisition process.
“When the announcement was made on October 31 that Patriotic will no longer be part of this acquisition process and that our proposal was denied, what in fact that did, while it brought sorrow and pain and agony not just to the OWTU and its members but to the hundreds of thousands of persons in Trinidad and Tobago, it brought joy to the heart of the honourable Leader of the Opposition.
“I also wish to remind everyone that it was only in October of last year, two prominent individuals from the United National Congress went to the High Court and filed an injunction to stop the process while at the same time they portrayed they were supporting Petrotrin workers.”
Obsession with Trafigura
Addressing the Trafigura matter, Roget said there seemed to be some obsession and sustained campaign against Trafigura with a narrative that the company is a notorious trader and there was some conspiracy with OWTU and Trafigura, where the company came to Trinidad and Tobago under the pretext of assisting OWTU, but really to gain the assets of the country.
Roget shared a copy of an extract from an Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative report which showed the volume of business Trafigura did with State-owned Enterprises (SOEs), namely Lake Asphalt, Petrotrin and the National Gas Company for the period 2014–2017. The extract showed that Trafigura would have paid some US$758.65 million to the energy companies during that period, with US$80.79 million being paid to Petrotrin and US$105.6 million paid to NGC in 2014.
“Two major revenue streams coming to the country when the now-Leader of the Opposition was then-prime minister. The Cabinet of Trinidad and Tobago must have known where these two major revenue streams came from. The (former) prime minister ought to have known. Her Minister of Energy then ought to have known.
“My point this afternoon is she ought to have known indeed, if she didn’t know, then we’re in deep trouble because it will be likened to ‘sunshine can kill Covid’.”
Roget said it is most outrageous, reckless and irresponsible for the Opposition Leader to try to portray the OWTU in scandal and collusion with Trafigura since she ought to have known that the company was dealing in Trinidad, specifically with Petrotrin, even prior to 2014.
“It is incumbent upon us because we have the information, to put this information out in the public domain to condemn and once and for all put to bed this insatiable obsession with Trafigura.”
“There was an attempt by the honourable Leader of the Opposition to spread misinformation in misleading the country by saying the original (request for proposal), which we placed our bid for, did not include Paria (Fuel Trading Company) and therefore we are now coming from behind to try to put in a bid to acquire Paria,” Roget told reporters.
Roget said with the refinery in operation, it was necessary to have both refinery and a port. Thus, their bid would have been for the refinery, now identified as Guaracara, and the port, now identified as Paria.
“So our response to the RFP and to put in a bid, it had to have been for both refinery and port facilities for it to make any sense. More than that, for it to make any economical and operational sense, for it to benefit the company, and for it to benefit Trinidad and Tobago,” Roget said.
He said it is a matter of public record that their bid was for both refinery and port, and it was an act of treachery for someone who had knowledge to the contrary, to peddle this.
He added that Patriotic’s bid was announced in the Parliament and Persad-Bissessar was present when the announcement was made.
Attempt to cause hurt
On Monday Persad-Bissessar said that Patriotic had reduced its original bid of US$700 million to US$500 million, and that the Government was now willing to accept less money for the refinery.
However, Roget explained the change in Patriotic’s offer.
“Our new proposal would have taken into account the offer made by the Minister of Finance. We would have responded to that except to say that we’re now paying upfront for what we would have taken 13 years to pay — a three year moratorium, ten years to pay.
“And the net present value, what that would value in 13 years down the road is what our offer would have worked out to be in today’s value. And therefore, using the formula and guided by the experts in this regard, we would have come up with a price and that price would have been put forward in our proposal.”
He also noted that the refinery would have been out of operation for two years and maintenance work would have to be done on some of its equipment to get them operational. “You cannot take off a refinery, some 23 plants, leave it off for two years and then expect to start it up just like that. It takes a whole lot of capital and because we want to ensure that when it starts up, it can run and make money, pay all our debts, it has to be with a level of reliability and therefore we have to repair.
“The goodly Leader of the Opposition gave Patriotic the thumbs down and make it look we want to have a steal of a deal ‘because they offered US$700 million and now they offering less, they offer US$500 million’.
“What took place, there was an attempt to cause great injury and harm to the acquisition process, to ensure that those assets are not acquired on behalf of our people of Trinidad and Tobago.”
Roget said Persad-Bissessar’s pronouncements were meant to be a fatal blow to ensure that the small man did not rise to economic prominence in the country and it represented a thinly-veiled approach to hide the real intention to halt the process.
He said after calling for an independent valuation committee to review their proposal and the announcement was made that Patriotic was still in the game, and they now afforded an opportunity to present before the committee the full extent of their proposal, that would have angered and infuriated the person who would have joy had they not gotten to go ahead with the acquisition process.
He added that they met with the valuation committee last Friday and were scheduled to meet again yesterday.
So Roget basically blasting up Kamla. So what was the point of her releasing this information. She would have now garnered no votes from OWTU UNC members. What is her game plan?
So Rowlee email gate is creditable?elec2020 wrote:^ Kamla has 0 credibility. This is the same idiot that claim that the she acquired a report from the International Monetary Fund which indicated that local banks were at risk. The only report produced by the IMF on the financial sector was the Financial Sector Assessment Program Report. That report indicated potential risks following stress tests. But as i indicated earlier in this thread the IMF early on stated that those results should be taken essentially with a pinch of salt and they made several adjustments to the data set which calls into question how reflective that data is of TnT. But no Kamla have some special documentation indicating otherwise. This woman is a fraud. She needs to go if UNC ever wishes to get back into power. She is only fooling individuals like u who fixated on racial politics
None of them has be found guilty as yet and email gate was a lieelec2020 wrote:how much of email gate was incorrect when the documents allegedly showed an email thread between then government (UNC) ministers Suruj Rambachan, Gary Griffith, Roodal Moonilal, Anand Ramlogan and then prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar in a plot to undermine the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), judiciary and media. And a few years later we get this
Oropouche East MP Dr Roodal Moonilal and two UNC deputy political leaders, one of whom is a senator and another who used to be managing director of the Housing Development Corporation, have been named in evidence given to the Joint Select Committee on National Security as having connections with known criminal gang leaders.
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 57b24.html
Also a series of corruption charges were last night being laid against former attorney general Anand Ramlogan, SC, and United National Congress (UNC) Senator Gerald Ramdeen by officers of the Anti-Corruption Investigative Bureau (ACIB).
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 28faf.html
So again how false was email gate when the same people it highlighted for perverting the course of justice were charged or accused of doing things that essentially.... you guessed it.... perverted the course of justice
