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Postby paid_influencer » December 12th, 2021, 5:19 pm

not sure what's going on itt right now, but

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"Do not make the mistake of thinking Omicron can't hurt you"

PM Boris Johnson urges every eligible adult to get a booster vaccine by the end of the year, as he declares an "Omicron emergency"

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Postby hover11 » December 12th, 2021, 5:21 pm

paid_influencer wrote:not sure what's going on itt right now, but

BBC News (UK)
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"Do not make the mistake of thinking Omicron can't hurt you"

PM Boris Johnson urges every eligible adult to get a booster vaccine by the end of the year, as he declares an "Omicron emergency"

https://bbc.in/3ynNaBp
But but but isnt this the same Boris Johnson who said he dont care about the science, he said we have to live with it and can't let science keep us back
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Postby matr1x » December 12th, 2021, 5:33 pm

How could an uninfected non vaccinated person pose a risk to a fully vax. Stop wasting ppl time

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Postby st7 » December 12th, 2021, 5:33 pm

lol why you do hate the gays so much hover that you are using them as an insult. does it stem from seeking daddy's love and approval that you are secretly hiding? we have our differences but if you need someone to talk to, i go listen. there's nothing wrong with being gay.

but i mean you dont understand how the covid vaccines work when you keep repeating false facts about them, so i didnt expect you'd understand what being homophobic really means.

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Postby De Dragon » December 12th, 2021, 5:34 pm

So hover, with 90% unvaxxed in the hospitals, what do you think the chances of those 24 deaths being unvaxxed?

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Postby DMan7 » December 12th, 2021, 5:34 pm

All this back and forth conversation just because hoover can't or won't admit he likes meat?

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Postby st7 » December 12th, 2021, 5:34 pm

matr1x wrote:How could an uninfected non vaccinated person pose a risk to a fully vax. Stop wasting ppl time


tell us how it cannot pose risk to both vaxxed (and unvaxxed).

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Postby st7 » December 12th, 2021, 5:35 pm

DMan7 wrote:All this back and forth conversation just because hoover can't or won't admit he likes meat?


he's very insecure about his masculinity for sure, but i hope he finds peace in who he is. but how ignorant he acts all the time, sufferers go be sufferers.

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Postby hover11 » December 12th, 2021, 5:39 pm

De Dragon wrote:So hover, with 90% unvaxxed in the hospitals, what do you think the chances of those 24 deaths being unvaxxed?
89 percent.....also you still can't make that statement without proof

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Postby hover11 » December 12th, 2021, 5:39 pm

DMan7 wrote:All this back and forth conversation just because hoover can't or won't admit he likes meat?
Ok cheerleader

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Postby st7 » December 12th, 2021, 5:48 pm

hover11 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:So hover, with 90% unvaxxed in the hospitals, what do you think the chances of those 24 deaths being unvaxxed?
89 percent.....also you still can't make that statement without proof


lulz. but that's what you constantly do with your "lets be real" and "read in between the lines" talk. and then when it's stated how many unvaxxed died vs vaccinated, you quiet.

https://tt.loopnews.com/content/56-covi ... ds-reveals
November 15, 2021

“By data as of Saturday, we had noted and confirmed that among the 1,437 total fatalities that would have occurred since we began to count fatalities among vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals, what we would have noted is that 56 of those, which is about 3.8 per cent, would have been individuals who would have had two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine on board, more than two weeks after their vaccination regimen had been completed.”


going by that 3.8 death rate in vaxxed persons, if the total count today is 2300, then 87 vaxxed ppl total have died (31 from nov 15 to today)

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Postby hover11 » December 12th, 2021, 5:51 pm

st7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:So hover, with 90% unvaxxed in the hospitals, what do you think the chances of those 24 deaths being unvaxxed?
89 percent.....also you still can't make that statement without proof


lulz. but that's what you constantly do with your "lets be real" and "read in between the lines" talk. and then when it's stated how many unvaxxed died vs vaccinated, you quiet.

https://tt.loopnews.com/content/56-covi ... ds-reveals
November 15, 2021

“By data as of Saturday, we had noted and confirmed that among the 1,437 total fatalities that would have occurred since we began to count fatalities among vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals, what we would have noted is that 56 of those, which is about 3.8 per cent, would have been individuals who would have had two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine on board, more than two weeks after their vaccination regimen had been completed.”


going by that 3.8 death rate in vaxxed persons, if the total count today is 2300, then 87 vaxxed ppl total have died (31 from nov 15 to today)
Still can't make that statement without a reasonable doubt, also we have to remember not all covid deaths means the person died from covid there are some sickly ppl who were facing their own medical traumas before contracting covid
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Postby st7 » December 12th, 2021, 5:55 pm

hover11 wrote:
st7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:So hover, with 90% unvaxxed in the hospitals, what do you think the chances of those 24 deaths being unvaxxed?
89 percent.....also you still can't make that statement without proof


lulz. but that's what you constantly do with your "lets be real" and "read in between the lines" talk. and then when it's stated how many unvaxxed died vs vaccinated, you quiet.

https://tt.loopnews.com/content/56-covi ... ds-reveals
November 15, 2021

“By data as of Saturday, we had noted and confirmed that among the 1,437 total fatalities that would have occurred since we began to count fatalities among vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals, what we would have noted is that 56 of those, which is about 3.8 per cent, would have been individuals who would have had two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine on board, more than two weeks after their vaccination regimen had been completed.”


going by that 3.8 death rate in vaxxed persons, if the total count today is 2300, then 87 vaxxed ppl total have died (31 from nov 15 to today)
Still can't make that statement without a reasonable doubt, also we have to remember not all covid deaths means the person died from covid there are some sickly ppl who were facing their own medical tramas before contracting covid


yawnnnnn stop frothing.

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Postby De Dragon » December 12th, 2021, 5:58 pm

hover11 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:So hover, with 90% unvaxxed in the hospitals, what do you think the chances of those 24 deaths being unvaxxed?
89 percent.....also you still can't make that statement without proof

Statements typically don't have a question mark at their ends :roll: . I asked a question, which I notice you're studiously avoiding answering.

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Postby hover11 » December 12th, 2021, 6:01 pm

De Dragon wrote:
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De Dragon wrote:So hover, with 90% unvaxxed in the hospitals, what do you think the chances of those 24 deaths being unvaxxed?
89 percent.....also you still can't make that statement without proof

Statements typically don't have a question mark at their ends :roll: . I asked a question, which I notice you're studiously avoiding answering.
Your question related to the gentleman's aforementioned statement which is what I was referring to. Keep up will you, you sleeping awa :S. Anyway , he who alleges must prove if you know it is 24 unvaxxed or believe such bring evidence otherwise you just speculating

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Postby De Dragon » December 12th, 2021, 6:04 pm

hover11 wrote:
st7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:So hover, with 90% unvaxxed in the hospitals, what do you think the chances of those 24 deaths being unvaxxed?
89 percent.....also you still can't make that statement without proof


lulz. but that's what you constantly do with your "lets be real" and "read in between the lines" talk. and then when it's stated how many unvaxxed died vs vaccinated, you quiet.

https://tt.loopnews.com/content/56-covi ... ds-reveals
November 15, 2021

“By data as of Saturday, we had noted and confirmed that among the 1,437 total fatalities that would have occurred since we began to count fatalities among vaccinated versus unvaccinated individuals, what we would have noted is that 56 of those, which is about 3.8 per cent, would have been individuals who would have had two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine on board, more than two weeks after their vaccination regimen had been completed.”


going by that 3.8 death rate in vaxxed persons, if the total count today is 2300, then 87 vaxxed ppl total have died (31 from nov 15 to today)
Still can't make that statement without a reasonable doubt, also we have to remember not all covid deaths means the person died from covid there are some sickly ppl who were facing their own medical traumas before contracting covid

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hover11 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:So hover, with 90% unvaxxed in the hospitals, what do you think the chances of those 24 deaths being unvaxxed?
89 percent.....also you still can't make that statement without proof


yea that 90% number isn't real. It is favored toward the backlog of hospital cases since July, before Delta. Every week of data added pushes the figure downward, indicating current hospitalization figures are below that level. How far below? We don't know, the MoH purposefully obfuscates it with that July figure.

In the US, the figure is a lot more realistic. You're 3x less likely to be infected and further 2x less likely for hospitalization, and 7x less likely for death. That's great and clearly very effective, but they're not pretending the vaccinated don't die or go to hospital.
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Postby paid_influencer » December 12th, 2021, 6:14 pm

sinopharm, in the best case scenario (2-weeks post-vaccination, no elderly patients, and against ancestral strain), was 79% effective against severe disease.

Where does it fall now, 6 months+ post vaccination, in elderly patients, and against Delta? I don't know, but it is clearly going to be lower than that 79%.

Everybody is at risk now, both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

and that's even before we start getting omicron spreading on the island.

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Postby hover11 » December 12th, 2021, 6:17 pm

paid_influencer wrote:sinopharm, in the best case scenario (2-weeks post-vaccination, no elderly patients, and against ancestral strain), was 79% effective against severe disease.

Where does it fall now, 6 months+ post vaccination, in elderly patients, and against Delta? I don't know, but it is clearly going to be lower than that 79%.

Everybody is at risk now, both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

and that's even before we start getting omicron spreading on the island.
Isn't most of the vaccinated population, innoculated with sinopharm as that was our sole choice as far as vaccines for a good while? Huh would be interesting to see what happens closer to January

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Postby hover11 » December 12th, 2021, 6:23 pm

So "Omicron can evade the protection initial vaccines". But the booster, which is the exact same thing as the initial vaccines "better protect against the newest variant" even though they are identical? I call BS

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Postby st7 » December 12th, 2021, 6:26 pm

we had AZ from May to July, sino had reached mid july if i not mistaken.

then in mid august we got more AZ, and JnJ

then september was Pfizer.

anyway... keep carrying on 'making statements without proof' frother :lol:

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Postby De Dragon » December 12th, 2021, 6:28 pm

hover11 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
hover11 wrote:
De Dragon wrote:So hover, with 90% unvaxxed in the hospitals, what do you think the chances of those 24 deaths being unvaxxed?
89 percent.....also you still can't make that statement without proof

Statements typically don't have a question mark at their ends :roll: . I asked a question, which I notice you're studiously avoiding answering.
Your question related to the gentleman's aforementioned statement which is what I was referring to. Keep up will you, you sleeping awa :S. Anyway , he who alleges must prove if you know it is 24 unvaxxed or believe such bring evidence otherwise you just speculating

Learn comprehension before frothing up and looking dumb.
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Postby adnj » December 12th, 2021, 6:29 pm

hover11 wrote:So "Omicron can evade the protection initial vaccines". But the booster, which is the exact same thing as the initial vaccines "better protect against the newest variant" even though they are identical? I call BS
Time to repost for the intentionally obtuse.

"An effective vaccine usually requires more than one time immunization in the form of prime-boost. Traditionally the same vaccines are given multiple times as homologous boosts." 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3743086/

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Postby hover11 » December 12th, 2021, 6:32 pm

st7 wrote:we had AZ from May to July, sino had reached mid july if i not mistaken.

then in mid august we got more AZ, and JnJ

then september was Pfizer.

anyway... keep carrying on 'making statements without proof' frother
Sinopharm arrived in march and please remember AstraZeneca had it's bad publicity due to clotting issues and ppl making noise over that , when pfizer first arrived it was for children only.

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Postby bluefete » December 12th, 2021, 6:32 pm

Hmmmmm.

I wonder if the death rate will fall after we hit the magical 2,500 and the gov't gets the money.

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Postby hover11 » December 12th, 2021, 6:34 pm

bluefete wrote:Hmmmmm.

I wonder if the death rate will fall after we hit the magical 2,500 and the gov't gets the money.
They gonna hit that mark this week by Friday or Sat if everything remains the same

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Postby adnj » December 12th, 2021, 6:35 pm

st7 wrote:we had AZ from May to July, sino had reached mid july if i not mistaken.

then in mid august we got more AZ, and JnJ

then september was Pfizer.

anyway... keep carrying on 'making statements without proof' frother
Current TTO vaccine usage. Of course this doesn't account for the purported 100,000 people that upgraded from Sinopharm that was previously posted in the thread.

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Postby DMan7 » December 12th, 2021, 6:35 pm

How much of a beating can one bobolee take? This is abuse...

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Postby st7 » December 12th, 2021, 6:40 pm

adnj wrote:
st7 wrote:we had AZ from May to July, sino had reached mid july if i not mistaken.

then in mid august we got more AZ, and JnJ

then september was Pfizer.

anyway... keep carrying on 'making statements without proof' frother
Current TTO vaccine usage. Of course this doesn't account for the purported 100,000 people that upgraded from Sinopharm that was previously posted in the thread.

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i see. did sino reach in march btw? i must be forget that

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