Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

[shake d livin wake d dead]

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Jah bless

and hul bailiser brothel MC

[16 cycles]

Has that bit of legal advice been verified? i.e. a follow up from a news agency?

Very cautious about info since emailgate...

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Has that bit of legal advice been verified? i.e. a follow up from a news agency?

Very cautious about info since emailgate...

Email gate was fabricated by PNM.So is the legality of this tax reform

[hover11]

personal allowance was raised twice in the last few years

From 60k to 72k, then to 84k

The bulk of the working population takes home less than 5k/month. Many weekly and fortnightly paid persons, and several government workers included, take home about 1k/week. So that tax allowance does nothing for those people.

Yuh kno, I asked this before, and nobody answered, so imma ask again.
Would it be so terrible a thing to simply abolish property taxes entirely? Considering that the people showing that they DON'T want it, and the state can't really show how the taxpayer benefits from it.
And don't say it can't be done, it's been done in several other countries.

wishful thinking.
referendum, maybe?

I guess the inability to get the required number of forms is the best referendum.

Question, I probably young on this forum but concerning referendum I know it is in our constitution but has this option ever been used in Trinidad's history, letting the people decide what is best for them?

[88sins]

Has that bit of legal advice been verified? i.e. a follow up from a news agency?

Very cautious about info since emailgate...

Media houses aren't what I'd consider reliable or even capable of the translation or interpretation of laws or judgment. Better ask an attorney or judge.

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personal allowance was raised twice in the last few years

From 60k to 72k, then to 84k

The bulk of the working population takes home less than 5k/month. Many weekly and fortnightly paid persons, and several government workers included, take home about 1k/week. So that tax allowance does nothing for those people.

Yuh kno, I asked this before, and nobody answered, so imma ask again.
Would it be so terrible a thing to simply abolish property taxes entirely? Considering that the people showing that they DON'T want it, and the state can't really show how the taxpayer benefits from it.
And don't say it can't be done, it's been done in several other countries.

wishful thinking.
referendum, maybe?

I guess the inability to get the required number of forms is the best referendum.

Question, I probably young on this forum but concerning referendum I know it is in our constitution but has this option ever been used in Trinidad's history, letting the people decide what is best for them?

The red government doesn't want that

[bluefete]

Question, I probably young on this forum but concerning referendum I know it is in our constitution but has this option ever been used in Trinidad's history, letting the people decide what is best for them?

You, young on this forum. HAHAHAAA.

But anyways, to answer your question on referendums in T&T:

NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER EVER

(afaik)

Up to today, we have had colonialist prime ministers who think they know best so no need to ask the people to vote on any issues except to elect them.

[88sins]

personal allowance was raised twice in the last few years

From 60k to 72k, then to 84k

The bulk of the working population takes home less than 5k/month. Many weekly and fortnightly paid persons, and several government workers included, take home about 1k/week. So that tax allowance does nothing for those people.

Yuh kno, I asked this before, and nobody answered, so imma ask again.
Would it be so terrible a thing to simply abolish property taxes entirely? Considering that the people showing that they DON'T want it, and the state can't really show how the taxpayer benefits from it.
And don't say it can't be done, it's been done in several other countries.

wishful thinking.
referendum, maybe?

I guess the inability to get the required number of forms is the best referendum.

Question, I probably young on this forum but concerning referendum I know it is in our constitution but has this option ever been used in Trinidad's history, letting the people decide what is best for them?

That would leave room for the population to think that the people know what they want, and don't want, and that the people have the power in their country, when their elected alleged leaders have been telling them and showing them for the last half century that rhe population is too stupid to know what it wants and doesn't want, what makes sense and what doesn't.
Our local species of dumb-as-dog-shit-but-feel-they-smart table thumping monkeys would rather you quietly accept that you have no power or authority or rights in your own country and that you exist to be submissive and subservient to them and theirs.

Remember, a jackass stated that you have no right to privacy or your private life. And when asked why his minor child playing with weapons of war that's property of the state, he didn't think the people were worth the effort to even respond to their questions. This is what Trinis like. To be made asses of, by professional arseholes

[ProtonPowder]

old men roleplay as revolutionaries on the internet

i feel like is 2010 tumblr all over again

old men don't role play son, they seriously defiant, because is they who have the most to lose/taking the hardest hit, know they don't want this and saying it out loud and showing it.
As opposed to the youngsters of the day, who stand for nothing, and own nothing, thus bear no cost or responsibilty, and many of whom probably gonna reach retirement age and dead still owning nothing.


People decisively choosing to not submit. Clown Inbutt is known for being a pnm liar, so it's safe to assume the numbers he's spewing are lies. I suspect they have less than half of what's required for them to start.


Doh worry, when it collapse on itself, yuh go gt with a new job prospect eventually.

Proton is quickly proving himself a red government idiot.

Love you too
xoxo
PS: When you ready for your balaclava to continue roleplaying, let me know

[rambo22]

Good day hearing evaluation form for property tax been extended, is this confirm? Thanks

[Chimera]

yes extended to end of january

[Chimera]

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[The_Honourable]

Jan 31st 2022 is the new deadline

[88sins]

they gonna keep "extending" that "deadline" for people to submit a VOLUNTARY document under the lying guise that it's mandatory by law and that they can be penalized if the don't.
they go hadda extend it to Feb 31st 20786501

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Do not submit

Civil disobedience in Rowlair MC

[AbstractPoetic]

Has that bit of legal advice been verified? i.e. a follow up from a news agency?

Very cautious about info since emailgate...

That quote came from 2017. Laws have since changed. I strongly advise complying with the current tax laws.

[ProtonPowder]

^^

Insufferable PNM fool

Is Rowley in Rowley MC dont submit no form

Of course if the new form is mandatad to the public using a different section of the law and Devant and Anand havent said a word, it can go straight to the JCPC using a previous judicial review case

Is Rowley MC we dont play here we all about justice for citizens

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^^

Insufferable PNM fool

Is Rowley in Rowley MC dont submit no form

Of course if the new form is mandatad to the public using a different section of the law and Devant and Anand havent said a word, it can go straight to the JCPC using a previous judicial review case

Is Rowley MC we dont play here we all about justice for citizens

Why must citizens fill out a form that you supposed tobe doing. Some people don't even have tape measure to measure their square feet. Forcing people to do your wuk and you will just guess an unjust tax figure if you carry an injun surname.

Older aged people are not online savy or even have an email. Older injun people that own land still use thumb prints. That form was not very well designed for the general public.

Then again these taxes will not benefit citizens and the corruption and abuse will continue as normal. Paying taxes for little to no service.

A true banana Republic

[88sins]

Stop dissing the banana republics of the world zr.
We still trying hard to reach greenfig republic status.

[pugboy]

first stop to banana is silk fig

[VexXx Dogg]

first stop to banana is silk fig

doh be on silk fig dan.

[ProtonPowder]

^^

Is a PNM plot to have the nation believe that they cant measure their own properties.

In Panday and KPB days people used to learn to calculate area of compound shapes by standard 3 in school, not like Mrs breakfastses and Mr. Sleepy Garcia and whoever irrelevant in there now

Only PNM people refusing to submit forms out of laziness because they want govament workers to come by their house to do it for them so they can bribe them one time

^^

[ProtonPowder]

http://newsday.co.tt/2021/11/30/propert ... s-through/

An actually insightful opinion. Boomboom raider take note, this is what you should do instead of roleplay.

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Property tax – thinking things through

THE EDITOR: With today being the deadline for registering one’s property for tax, I cannot help but be bemused by this ridiculous attempt to raise additional funding for the Government. If there is any doubt that the advisers of the Government are bereft of ideas, this property tax endeavour should confirm one’s suspicion.

It is clear to any sensible thinking person that five years have past since this government came into service without a cent coming in from property tax, as I predicted. Another five years will pass without a proper structure in place to assess and implement a proper property tax system. Why? one may ask. It just is not possible under this convoluted system.

Let’s think this through. There are more than 500,000 properties in TT. But for argument’s sake let’s say there were 400,000. Each form submitted must be read by someone, evaluated for errors, perhaps have someone visit the site for confirmation and then finally arrive at a value for that property. If one public servant was to complete two forms a day that would be plenty.

If 100 public servants were to be dedicated to only working on processing property tax it would take them 2,000 workdays or seven and a half years to complete the processing exercise. No time is added for site visits, days when site visits are attempted, and no one is present, or travelling to far-off areas. In the meantime, not a cent would be collected and property tax would be the burden of another administration.

Why is it so difficult for the Government to take one’s last property tax that was paid “x” years ago and add to it a percentage “y” that represents the percentage of economic growth? Thus, one’s new property tax will be the old tax plus a percentage increase in tandem with economic growth? Perhaps that would be too easy, it would not allow for the employment of temporary assessors and wastage of taxpayers’ money.

The citizens ought not to be concerned about new property taxes soon. Under the proposed system such a tax cannot happen for years. Citizens should however be concerned about registering their properties as the fines that can emanate from non-registration could make proposed property tax revenue look like pocket change.

STEVE ALVAREZ

via e-mail

[Rayden6]

Is only they followers are blind to fill out the form and well the scared.

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http://newsday.co.tt/2021/11/30/property-tax-thinking-things-through/

An actually insightful opinion. Boomboom raider take note, this is what you should do instead of roleplay.

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Property tax – thinking things through

THE EDITOR: With today being the deadline for registering one’s property for tax, I cannot help but be bemused by this ridiculous attempt to raise additional funding for the Government. If there is any doubt that the advisers of the Government are bereft of ideas, this property tax endeavour should confirm one’s suspicion.

It is clear to any sensible thinking person that five years have past since this government came into service without a cent coming in from property tax, as I predicted. Another five years will pass without a proper structure in place to assess and implement a proper property tax system. Why? one may ask. It just is not possible under this convoluted system.

Let’s think this through. There are more than 500,000 properties in TT. But for argument’s sake let’s say there were 400,000. Each form submitted must be read by someone, evaluated for errors, perhaps have someone visit the site for confirmation and then finally arrive at a value for that property. If one public servant was to complete two forms a day that would be plenty.

If 100 public servants were to be dedicated to only working on processing property tax it would take them 2,000 workdays or seven and a half years to complete the processing exercise. No time is added for site visits, days when site visits are attempted, and no one is present, or travelling to far-off areas. In the meantime, not a cent would be collected and property tax would be the burden of another administration.

Why is it so difficult for the Government to take one’s last property tax that was paid “x” years ago and add to it a percentage “y” that represents the percentage of economic growth? Thus, one’s new property tax will be the old tax plus a percentage increase in tandem with economic growth? Perhaps that would be too easy, it would not allow for the employment of temporary assessors and wastage of taxpayers’ money.

The citizens ought not to be concerned about new property taxes soon. Under the proposed system such a tax cannot happen for years. Citizens should however be concerned about registering their properties as the fines that can emanate from non-registration could make proposed property tax revenue look like pocket change.

STEVE ALVAREZ

via e-mail

My problem is not the collection if house taxes. I will gladly pay the tax.

My problem is where and what the money is being used for.

Clearly it has been shown and spoken by a red government MP that the plan is to move the monies to other areas rather that where u live.

That is my problem, there is no accountability

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Court of Appeal rules 2017 Property Tax Mandatory Data Collection was Illegal and Unconstitutional

The Court of Appeal has ruled that the Government’s brief move to implement a mandatory data collection exercise for the implementation of property tax in 2017 was illegal and breached citizens’ constitutional rights.

Delivering a written judgement, earlier this morning, Appellate Judges Peter Rajkumar, Charmaine Pemberton and Vasheist Kokaram reversed the decision of High Court Judge Jacqueline Wilson, who dismissed civic activist Devant Maharaj’s lawsuit on the issue in 2018.

Justice Rajkumar, who wrote the substantive judgement, ruled that the Commissioner of Valuations had no legal authority under Section 6 of the Valuation of Land Act to require Maharaj and other property owners to submit a valuation return form on or before June 10, 2017 and that property owners were under no corresponding obligation to do so.

Rajkumar and his colleagues stated that Maharaj was only entitled to declarations over the policy, which was clarified by the Government after Maharaj brought his lawsuit.

“Because the Commissioner reversed course at the first opportunity , and the evidence suggests inadvertence rather than highhanded conduct or intent to breach statute or the Constitution, declarations of breaches will therefore suffice,” Rajkumar said.

He was also careful to note that the judgement did not extend to the Government’s current data collection exercise which is being done under a different statutory regime. The current deadline for submission under the new policy, which is yet to be challenged, is January 31.

“Nothing herein is intended to be construed as affecting that exercise which is not before this court on this appeal,” Rajkumar said.

While the decision in the case means that the forms that property owners, who would have submitted them on the basis of the previous mandatory nature of the policy before it was reversed, cannot now be used, the panel suggested that some affected persons may wish to leave their data in the system for use under the current policy.

“Some persons may be content to have their information remain with the Commissioner even though they provided it on the basis that it was mandatory that they do so rather than go through the entire exercise at such future time if required,” Rajkumar said.

As a secondary issue in the case, the appeal panel ruled that previous policy breached Maharaj’s constitutional rights to protection of the law and respect for his private life.

Justice Kokaram, who dealt specifically with the latter, noted that mandatory policy for the disclosure of personal information such as telephone numbers and email addresses caused the breach.

“The unlawful demand for this private information robs the interaction between the individual and the State of its legitimacy. An illegitimate power to make the request places the demand in the sphere of exclusion,” Kokaram said.

Maharaj was represented by Anand Ramlogan, SC, Renuka Rambhajan, Kent Samlal , Jayanti Lutchmedial, Jared Jagroo, and Vishaal Siewsaran.

https://www.cnc3.co.tt/court-of-appeal- ... stitional/

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Jah bless the right thinking Court and curse the red government MC

The MC AG looses yet another case

[Dizzy28]

So that's another L for Faris seeing as AG Office was 2nd Defendant!!

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So that's another L for Faris seeing as AG Office was 2nd Defendant!!

Yup,

I blame Kamala for his losses