SC Dana Seetahal murder - 11 men charged Pg.34

[rfari]

I was like Duane, gun averse, but the reality is we need them a while now

And how exactly would a little licensed pistol help you in such an attack,with such weapons and tactics?

I'm certain Ms.Seetahal had a firearm.

u cyar be serious

Police sources said Seetahal appeared to have been trying to reach into her purse where she kept her licenced firearm before being struck by the murderers’ bullets. Officers later recovered the attorney’s firearm in the purse. Nothing was taken from the SUV.

You know as you only recently registered it might not be a bad idea to kill that handle and start a fresh.

Damn. Lesson to licensed firearm holder. Keep ur machine rell close when u moving. Like my primary school teacher used to say ' what is your homework book doing in your school bag? Is your bag taking the common entrance exam?'

[RASC]

Even with video footage from that camera overhead this is a hard crime to crack ....video footage likely to show what they already know. More critical is footage from before/ after the incident. Where they started following her, where they went

Be that as it may...the most important thing here is finding the mastermind behind this well orchestrated "hit"...

That is the most important thing in allow this.

[RIPEBREDFRUIT]

No level armored car whilst being domestic would have saved her.

[shogun]

My moms called and was telling me she read that "someone" may have captured/recorded most of the crime. I was thinking maybe cell phone cam. It's from the papers so, not sure how much weight i'd give to that claim.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

sad to say this will go unsolved the shooters probably in a next country already,police dont have a clue what transpired!! jus like the million dollar heist in trincity they are clueless

Have you seen the requirements to become a Police Officer?

I know a woman who is a police and she cannot spell, hoss a primary school student is like a scholar infront of the woman. They should require A levels to become a Police or enter any service but then again it won't matter because every service in this country ripe with nepotism.

Not saying all police like this eh but it has a massive amount like this. Get in cause who know who.

As if this is anything new in this country.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Let me ask a serious question here

How would you all compare crime solving skills of the TTPS to the NYPD?

Like how would you all compare our CID to the FBI?

[JF.K]

I was like Duane, gun averse, but the reality is we need them a while now

And how exactly would a little licensed pistol help you in such an attack,with such weapons and tactics?

I'm certain Ms.Seetahal had a firearm.

u cyar be serious

Police sources said Seetahal appeared to have been trying to reach into her purse where she kept her licenced firearm before being struck by the murderers’ bullets. Officers later recovered the attorney’s firearm in the purse. Nothing was taken from the SUV.

You know as you only recently registered it might not be a bad idea to kill that handle and start a fresh.

Damn. Lesson to licensed firearm holder. Keep ur machine rell close when u moving. Like my primary school teacher used to say ' what is your homework book doing in your school bag? Is your bag taking the common entrance exam?'

What you suggest "oh wise one"...
Should it have been in her hand while driving?

And even then the outcome would have been the same -
- one or two bullets from one unexpected person VS numerous armed men on a mission
- (even worse) with a gun small enough to fit in a handbag

"Lessons to be learnt..." is just as open ended as this case.

[greggle71]

Let me ask a serious question here

How would you all compare crime solving skills of the TTPS to the NYPD?

Chalk and cheese, paper based versus digital infrastructure. First world countries can triangulate much faster. So let's say in both countries there is video surveillance of the incident, the congruency ends right there. In North America if they get the plates they can immediately find the registered owners and addresses. If the plates are fake and they can get a glimpse of the faces of the assailants they can run face recognition against their database of offenders. North America also has proper secondary agencies they can call on if the case merits they can request satellite footage of the area so essentially those vehicles can ultimately be found for further investigation in VIN or engine numbers again to look for the human trail. Another angle is telecom, if by way of reports there were multiple vehicles then there may be some phone coordination between the two, that time of night the place was very remote. Where is the nearest cell tower, what calls or texts were passed through that tower at a reasonable window relative to the incident? Bottom line is that none of those angles will guarantee anything but investing in proper electronic infrastructure allows you to tackle the incident from multiple angles, keep the trail hot.

How far would TT infrastructure take an investigation?

[Dizzy28]

Let me ask a serious question here

How would you all compare crime solving skills of the TTPS to the NYPD?

Like how would you all compare our CID to the FBI?

Our CID is part of police service whilst the FBI is a federal agency under the Department of Justice. Unfair comparison IMO.

(FBI requires you to have a college degree before you enter btw)

[nervewrecker]

Anyone remember the robbery of the security vehicle?

The one with the ranger loaded with the cement bags....

no?

[zoom rader]

Let me ask a serious question here

How would you all compare crime solving skills of the TTPS to the NYPD?

Chalk and cheese, paper based versus digital infrastructure. First world countries can triangulate much faster. So let's say in both countries there is video surveillance of the incident, the congruency ends right there. In North America if they get the plates they can immediately find the registered owners and addresses. If the plates are fake and they can get a glimpse of the faces of the assailants they can run face recognition against their database of offenders. North America also has proper secondary agencies they can call on if the case merits they can request satellite footage of the area so essentially those vehicles can ultimately be found for further investigation in VIN or engine numbers again to look for the human trail. Another angle is telecom, if by way of reports there were multiple vehicles then there may be some phone coordination between the two, that time of night the place was very remote. Where is the nearest cell tower, what calls or texts were passed through that tower at a reasonable window relative to the incident? Bottom line is that none of those angles will guarantee anything but investing in proper electronic infrastructure allows you to tackle the incident from multiple angles, keep the trail hot.

How far would TT infrastructure take an investigation?

You can't speak about first world countries on tuner, most tuners get offended when you do

[rfari]

I was like Duane, gun averse, but the reality is we need them a while now

And how exactly would a little licensed pistol help you in such an attack,with such weapons and tactics?

I'm certain Ms.Seetahal had a firearm.

u cyar be serious

Police sources said Seetahal appeared to have been trying to reach into her purse where she kept her licenced firearm before being struck by the murderers’ bullets. Officers later recovered the attorney’s firearm in the purse. Nothing was taken from the SUV.

You know as you only recently registered it might not be a bad idea to kill that handle and start a fresh.

Damn. Lesson to licensed firearm holder. Keep ur machine rell close when u moving. Like my primary school teacher used to say ' what is your homework book doing in your school bag? Is your bag taking the common entrance exam?'

What you suggest "oh wise one"...
Should it have been in her hand while driving?

And even then the outcome would have been the same -
- one or two bullets from one unexpected person VS numerous armed men on a mission
- (even worse) with a gun small enough to fit in a handbag

"Lessons to be learnt..." is just as open ended as this case.

Im not doubting that the result may have been the same. Just saying that it will be a lesson to licensed firearm holder about accessibility to ur machine especially when in transit. I did say this in my previous post. Didnt i? Im not laying any fault on ms seetahal.

[JF.K]

Let me ask a serious question here

How would you all compare crime solving skills of the TTPS to the NYPD?

Chalk and cheese, paper based versus digital infrastructure. First world countries can triangulate much faster. So let's say in both countries there is video surveillance of the incident, the congruency ends right there. In North America if they get the plates they can immediately find the registered owners and addresses. If the plates are fake and they can get a glimpse of the faces of the assailants they can run face recognition against their database of offenders. North America also has proper secondary agencies they can call on if the case merits they can request satellite footage of the area so essentially those vehicles can ultimately be found for further investigation in VIN or engine numbers again to look for the human trail. Another angle is telecom, if by way of reports there were multiple vehicles then there may be some phone coordination between the two, that time of night the place was very remote. Where is the nearest cell tower, what calls or texts were passed through that tower at a reasonable window relative to the incident? Bottom line is that none of those angles will guarantee anything but investing in proper electronic infrastructure allows you to tackle the incident from multiple angles, keep the trail hot.

How far would TT infrastructure take an investigation?

This is the same reason why I wonder about Trini Police collecting "finger prints".....
Use these prints to match to what?
Limited "paper files" from that station?
And what does the matching? - the human eye?

Waste of time.... Everytime!

Aside from getting the technology and linking them to one database, they need the citizen information/details for the database.
IMO, they should just force people to get new ID Cards - just like when they introduced the "Computerized Passport" and everybody was forced to upgrade.
Then gather the detail info on every citizen - fingerprints, digital face shots etc.
Place on the database.

It's not a short term fix, but it's a start for the long term Crime Resolution...
At least do something to gather database info, otherwise why they really looking for evidence at a crime scene - to do what with it?
Just a thought...

[gundelero]

inside...saddened at the loss.
i'd like to see the camera footage though....

[JF.K]

I was like Duane, gun averse, but the reality is we need them a while now

And how exactly would a little licensed pistol help you in such an attack,with such weapons and tactics?

I'm certain Ms.Seetahal had a firearm.

u cyar be serious

Police sources said Seetahal appeared to have been trying to reach into her purse where she kept her licenced firearm before being struck by the murderers’ bullets. Officers later recovered the attorney’s firearm in the purse. Nothing was taken from the SUV.

You know as you only recently registered it might not be a bad idea to kill that handle and start a fresh.

Damn. Lesson to licensed firearm holder. Keep ur machine rell close when u moving. Like my primary school teacher used to say ' what is your homework book doing in your school bag? Is your bag taking the common entrance exam?'

What you suggest "oh wise one"...
Should it have been in her hand while driving?

And even then the outcome would have been the same -
- one or two bullets from one unexpected person VS numerous armed men on a mission
- (even worse) with a gun small enough to fit in a handbag

"Lessons to be learnt..." is just as open ended as this case.

Im not doubting that the result may have been the same. Just saying that it will be a lesson to licensed firearm holder about accessibility to ur machine especially when in transit. I did say this in my previous post. Didnt i? Im not laying any fault on ms seetahal.

I hear what you are saying...
But the way criminals attack, one person (with a pistol) cannot defend you or save your life (in most cases).
Even if it is in a gun belt on your waist!

Most of the times you are out numbered, caught off guard and restrained, Out Gunned!

Easier access to "your machine" might save you from something like a small one on one carpark robbery (like what happened with the POS businessman a while back),
but in these times... if they are out for you.... your are dead!

[AbstractPoetic]

Not to play tuner csi but from the tv6 footage the vehicle appears to be parked. Now I'm no expert but if car pulls up and blocks you. Mash brakes ensues, assuming shots fired right after won't the vehicle have rolled into a curb or car or something else to stop its momentum? But the car looked straight and parked in the road?

Odd

This has to be revisited. If Dana felt threatened, why would she stop her vehicle? It's as if she probably knew the perpetrator. One car stopped her dead in her tracks and another did the shooting.

This is more than an assassination. It's a message.

[AbstractPoetic]

Also wanted to add that Dana probably had a routine down. They knew what roads she traveled to get to destinations, even perhaps where she visited to relieve stress or entertain herself. They were watching, patiently, in the background for perhaps months. She never suspected it. That is the scary thing.

But like I said, they are sending a message, be it to law enforcement, the government, the legal community. Whoever "they are", they want access to something and someone is trying to stop them. I don't think this has anything to do with the Naipaul trial or the casino.

[kjaglal76v2]

i still believe this hah nothing to do with the vindra naipaul coolman case!!

[teems1]

Not to play tuner csi but from the tv6 footage the vehicle appears to be parked. Now I'm no expert but if car pulls up and blocks you. Mash brakes ensues, assuming shots fired right after won't the vehicle have rolled into a curb or car or something else to stop its momentum? But the car looked straight and parked in the road?

Odd

This has to be revisited. If Dana felt threatened, why would she stop her vehicle? It's as if she probably knew the perpetrator. One car stopped her dead in her tracks and another did the shooting.

This is more than an assassination. It's a message.

Didn't a VW Touareg owner in the thread already explain how the auto brake feature work.

I have the same model Touareg she was driving. It comes with a brake auto hold feature which helps in traffic, once car comes to a stop it engages and even if your foot isn't on the brake the car won't move, after a few more seconds the electronic handbrake automatically also engages.

[rfari]

I was like Duane, gun averse, but the reality is we need them a while now

And how exactly would a little licensed pistol help you in such an attack,with such weapons and tactics?

I'm certain Ms.Seetahal had a firearm.

u cyar be serious

Police sources said Seetahal appeared to have been trying to reach into her purse where she kept her licenced firearm before being struck by the murderers’ bullets. Officers later recovered the attorney’s firearm in the purse. Nothing was taken from the SUV.

You know as you only recently registered it might not be a bad idea to kill that handle and start a fresh.

Damn. Lesson to licensed firearm holder. Keep ur machine rell close when u moving. Like my primary school teacher used to say ' what is your homework book doing in your school bag? Is your bag taking the common entrance exam?'

What you suggest "oh wise one"...
Should it have been in her hand while driving?

And even then the outcome would have been the same -
- one or two bullets from one unexpected person VS numerous armed men on a mission
- (even worse) with a gun small enough to fit in a handbag

"Lessons to be learnt..." is just as open ended as this case.

Im not doubting that the result may have been the same. Just saying that it will be a lesson to licensed firearm holder about accessibility to ur machine especially when in transit. I did say this in my previous post. Didnt i? Im not laying any fault on ms seetahal.

I hear what you are saying...
But the way criminals attack, one person (with a pistol) cannot defend you or save your life (in most cases).
Even if it is in a gun belt on your waist!

Most of the times you are out numbered, caught off guard and restrained, Out Gunned!

Easier access to "your machine" might save you from something like a small one on one carpark robbery (like what happened with the POS businessman a while back),
but in these times... if they are out for you.... your are dead!

Yup.
Hindsight is 20-20. Lesson perhaps for all to learn from this

[uncle sam]

[greggle71]

Let me ask a serious question here

How would you all compare crime solving skills of the TTPS to the NYPD?

Like how would you all compare our CID to the FBI?

Our CID is part of police service whilst the FBI is a federal agency under the Department of Justice. Unfair comparison IMO.

(FBI requires you to have a college degree before you enter btw)

This is so true, now whether there is merit in a similar model for a TT land mass is another discussion but there is sound evidence for a secondary law enforcement with the right parameters and operating framework. I find the effectiveness of the TTPS around their detection rates bears the question of whether this is the right model.

Ultimately what makes first world law Enforcement effective is their robustness against political and other interferences. No matter what is implemented locally the feel is that the focus is swayed by the executive of the day

[Daran]

Anyone know why Farris Al-Wari afraid to come out his westmoorings house?

[bluefete]

BRILLIANT!

You are in trouble so you conjure up a murder to totally distract everyone's attention from yourself.

Not only that, but you kill one of your own as well!

No one will be looking at you for a long while. She definitely knew something and it goes way beyond the Coolman case and the casino.

This has nothing to do with the previous post.

[kjaglal76v2]

BRILLIANT!

You are in trouble so you conjure up a murder to totally distract everyone's attention from yourself.

Not only that, but you kill one of your own as well!

No one will be looking at you for a long while. She definitely knew something and it goes way beyond the Coolman case and the casino.

This has nothing to do with the previous post.

padna stop nookie footing & jus say ANAND nah, but why would he kill her?? she came out batting in his corner

[JF.K]

BRILLIANT!

You are in trouble so you conjure up a murder to totally distract everyone's attention from yourself.

Not only that, but you kill one of your own as well!

No one will be looking at you for a long while. She definitely knew something and it goes way beyond the Coolman case and the casino.

This has nothing to do with the previous post.

padna stop nookie footing & jus say ANAND nah, but why would he kill her?? she came out batting in his corner

I lost dey with that one... anyone care to bring me up to speed?

[Daran]

Steups bluefete .

Your theory utter rubbish, if this were the case for only 'distraction' purposes, there are hundreds of other high profile people Mr. Ramlogan could order a hit on, many would be bigger distraction and probably warrant less investigative pressures.

I've raised a valid point in my previous post as to why is Al-Wari hiding. I live nearby to him and since yesterday he has had extra security and I don't believe he left his house (could be wrong). But, this is the first time in my 3 years of living here that I've seen so much security at someones home.

[bluefete]

Steups bluefete .

Your theory utter rubbish, if this were the case for only 'distraction' purposes, there are hundreds of other high profile people Mr. Ramlogan could order a hit on, many would be bigger distraction and probably warrant less investigative pressures.

I've raised a valid point in my previous post as to why is Al-Wari hiding. I live nearby to him and since yesterday he has had extra security and I don't believe he left his house (could be wrong). But, this is the first time in my 3 years of living here that I've seen so much security at someones home.

Maybe, all high profile lawyers now need extra security. Maybe he knows something that he does not want to say.

Didn't he get the AG upset recently????????????? Reallly, really upset????????????????

[bluefete]

BRILLIANT!

You are in trouble so you conjure up a murder to totally distract everyone's attention from yourself.

Not only that, but you kill one of your own as well!

No one will be looking at you for a long while. She definitely knew something and it goes way beyond the Coolman case and the casino.

This has nothing to do with the previous post.

padna stop nookie footing & jus say ANAND nah, but why would he kill her?? she came out batting in his corner

That is quite true. But these people are masters at creating confusion. Most times the truth lies in plain sight.

[rfari]

BRILLIANT!

You are in trouble so you conjure up a murder to totally distract everyone's attention from yourself.

Not only that, but you kill one of your own as well!

No one will be looking at you for a long while. She definitely knew something and it goes way beyond the Coolman case and the casino.

This has nothing to do with the previous post.

padna stop nookie footing & jus say ANAND nah, but why would he kill her?? she came out batting in his corner

Srs? Tell us some more. What did she say?