Why are Tuner Hindus so sensitive?

[Rainman]

alltrac cacahole big?

[07baracuda]

AI :AlliDr you lost in the jungle oh what, what does that have to do with the topic ?

[Rainman]

DFC and Nismo allyuh encouraging meh in spamming ... although this whole thread is like a forum spam in itself .... however Kitty says he is not amused by your comments...just a heads up...

Hi lola, ah missing yuh bad bad bad.

[Trini Hookah]

DFC and Nismo allyuh encouraging meh in spamming ... although this whole thread is like a forum spam in itself .... however Kitty says he is not amused by your comments...just a heads up...

certainly

[fullthrotle]

if business so bad in india, what the hell is bill gates doing there?

While some of his investments are in software and IT development it represents only a small amount. The majority of the money he and his wife have donated is for health and humanitarian causes,

“The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has announced a $9.7 million grant for poor farmers in India as part of a $120 million programme for the uplift of agriculture in endemically poor regions of the world.”

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 126479.cms

In 2003, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation launched Avahan, an initiative to reduce the spread of HIV in India. In July 2009, the foundation announced that it had increased its total commitment to Avahan from $258 million to $338 million.

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/avahan/P ... rview.aspx

Do you think Bill Gates is a fool? He recognises with 1.2billion people it represents huge potential for sale of Microsoft products, so don’t fool yourself into thinking he has nothing to gain.

pal, microsoft is building 3 IT universities in india. this is because india is stable and the academic minds in india are plentiful and cheap. so gates helping out india but most important he sees india as a source of intellect and sales.
other continents gates accept that they will only take money and continue to rape and plunder and buy military hardware.
everyone has something to gain in india. that is the point. in other nations an IT business can only gain a couple bullets.
the whole point is that as a nation india is progressing in the right direction. with 1.2billion they avoid famine.
in other continents, countries have a population of 20million and they boiling lizards to eat.
you see obama going to india on his longest "away from home journey" , reason being PROFIT for the white man.
when obama went back to his father's homeland, was their any PROFIT. absolutely non.
but lots of festivities.

[nemisis]

if business so bad in india, what the hell is bill gates doing there?

While some of his investments are in software and IT development it represents only a small amount. The majority of the money he and his wife have donated is for health and humanitarian causes,

“The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has announced a $9.7 million grant for poor farmers in India as part of a $120 million programme for the uplift of agriculture in endemically poor regions of the world.”

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 126479.cms

In 2003, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation launched Avahan, an initiative to reduce the spread of HIV in India. In July 2009, the foundation announced that it had increased its total commitment to Avahan from $258 million to $338 million.

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/avahan/P ... rview.aspx

Do you think Bill Gates is a fool? He recognises with 1.2billion people it represents huge potential for sale of Microsoft products, so don’t fool yourself into thinking he has nothing to gain.

pal, microsoft is building 3 IT universities in india. this is because india is stable and the academic minds in india are plentiful and cheap. so gates helping out india but most important he sees india as a source of intellect and sales.
other continents gates accept that they will only take money and continue to rape and plunder and buy military hardware.
everyone has something to gain in india. that is the point. in other nations an IT business can only gain a couple bullets.
the whole point is that as a nation india is progressing in the right direction. with 1.2billion they avoid famine.
in other continents, countries have a population of 20million and they boiling lizards to eat.
you see obama going to india on his longest "away from home journey" , reason being PROFIT for the white man.
when obama went back to his father's homeland, was their any PROFIT. absolutely non.
but lots of festivities.

Don't forget that 5000 years of culture meant squat to your forefathers as they didn't use there free passage back to the Hindu shangrila of India, I wonder why that is

[zcarz]

alltrac cacahole big?

it warm too

hey alltrac!

[Naka]

how come so many descendants of africa flock to churches, yet their children flock to jails.
how come so many descendants of africa claim to have made "signifant contributions all over the world" but yet their home nation is in total disarray.
how come fifa choose the nation with the most whites in africa to hold the world cup?
i think descendants of africa should have been ashamed that fifa choose the nation of whites in africa. i hope next time the world cup is held in mozambique.
how come no one knows the meaning of shakira's world cup song

all these problems boils down to one word CULTURE.
you see some people question every concept in another's religion. because they simply cannot conceive of a religion 5000 years old. alot of people cannot comprehend the teachings of a 5000 year old religion, so they do what they know best, question and mock then they remember their cousin who is doing 20 to life for murdering a neighbour. and when the sentence was passed they taught that was a long time. so when they are presented with 5000 year old teachings they are dumb struck. they then ask frivolous questions about a murti drinking milk.
they think nothing of the hundreds of thousands of doctors, lawyers and professionals who wake up every morning to these same murtis. in their stupidity they forget about the drug dens and ghettos that their descendants have created the world over, and descide ot question a 5000 year old religion. desperation has overtaken their soul after trying to understand "how do so many people who look like me overwhelm jails" and realising the answer in one word CULTURE.
some people can't accept that while a certain people follow the tradititons handed down from father to son, other people don't even know their father.
you see the only way a society gets more complex is by learning from those who have gone before, but some sections of society have whole generations missing due to a bullet to the head or crack cocaine to the nostril, so never will these sections of society get more complex.
you realise that children of the hindu fate are able to excel academically, intellectually, and are able to handle more and more complex tasks as generations changes, this is because the trials of previous generations are recorded in their books. remember 5000 years.
children of the hindu fate practise the same pujas as children 2500 years ago. and they expect the same result. to create enterprises that are world beaters.
while some sections of society are discontented with the "white mans" religion and their lack of success they train their guns on the humble hindu.
they can't accept that the "white man" religion was never theirs to begin with, so they are doomed to 6 by 8 feet jail cells for generations to come. they can't understand how the white man enjoys so much scientific knowledge while "we" are stuck winning , singing hip hop, playing sports. they can't accept that once again in their history they are being sold off for a piece of silver. you see back in slavery days, the african kings sold their own people for a silver dollar, and in todays society their leaders are congratulating them when they sing a chart topping hip hop simgle about a booty, and when they runa fast 100meters they are praised, and all their children want to sing and dance. sad sad sad.

Generalizations again! oh look look, we better than allyuh!! Taking rile much?

Africa is flikkin continent eh breds. I'm not familiar with the culture of that entire continent but instead i'm Trini - all kinda ting running through my veins so my history spread all over.

i know the talk about generalisation and africa being a continent. but no one knows which country on the continent of africa that africans came from. so i am forced to generalise, sorry. if i say africans came from zimbawe or uganda someone will ask me to prove that. sorry about saying africans came from africa. i know you are not familiar with the culture of the african continent, which is my point exactly, NO CULTURE which leads to criminal destructive behaviour.

and it is not about we better than you. i did not make it so.
if you look at the jail population in trinidad you will see that african descendants occupy a far greater majority than the 50 50 percent we see in society. now explain that.
if you look at americas jail population as compared to the civilian population you will again see a disproportionate amount of one race. explain that.
if you look at gangs all over the world, tell me who occupies them.

you can ignore the facts all you want. some people were robbed of their culture (and this was wrong) and now they as a people are trying to find a culture in carnival, hip hop, booty calling etc etc. and this is sad. and what is more sad is that again their leaders are leading them down the wrong path.
imagine prime ministers in the region think trinidad should give them free money. they use this as a rallying cry for all their peoples. why ?
their leaders tell them to play sports night and day. make stadiums with indoor lighting, so that they practise night and day. this is sad, because sports never ever run a country. it is just "by the way" take china for example. the communist decided to excel in heavy industry, then technology (they building fast rails all over the world) and now that they have achieved those important pillars, they now decide to train their brain on sports.
but some leaders continue to bray "play sprts night and day" it is sad.
tell me if i am misleading.

Utter rubbish, if that's the case why does the country of India produces some of the worst and dirtiest crimes?

[~Vēġó~]

^^^like what? similar to what going on in t&t?

[Conrad]

Africa whut? India whut?




Can't believe 2NRs still biting troll hook.

[eliteauto]

I'm having a lovely discussion at my home this morning and I'd appreciate the input of the Tuner Hindus

As Hindus do you see your religion and it's cultures/traditions as separate entities or are they one and the same? Apparently some Trinis are saying there's religion on one end and cultures on the other e.g. how do you view Divali? Is the fasting and prayers one thing and the lighting up another?

serious question eh I'm not interested in attacking any religion so my normal detractors if you cannot answer intelligently then please don't

[nemisis]

Naka I don't know if you've noticed but he didn't write anything with an open mind eh. All of your logic does not matter. My point about the continent was that there are different countries within the continent and therefore a variation of cultures but whatever. So that's a losing battle there.

No one taking he on they just feeding the troll

[zoom rader]

I'm having a lovely discussion at my home this morning and I'd appreciate the input of the Tuner Hindus

As Hindus do you see your religion and it's cultures/traditions as separate entities or are they one and the same? Apparently some Trinis are saying there's religion on one end and cultures on the other e.g. how do you view Divali? Is the fasting and prayers one thing and the lighting up another?

serious question eh I'm not interested in attacking any religion so my normal detractors if you cannot answer intelligently then please don't

Tuners dont fall for this crap.Its a trick anti hindu question.

[eliteauto]

Hmm my first contribution in this thread and I'm anti-Hindu too lol, your level of hatred and ignorance is astounding

[zoom rader]

Hmm my first contribution in this thread and I'm anti-Hindu too lol, your level of hatred and ignorance is astounding

Go read ur question again and see how dumb it is. U cannot class fasting and prayers with a fete. U are using words to hide ur real agenda. And no i am not hindu but i am sure I have more understanding that u and ur PNM friends

[eliteauto]

fete? boy hush yuh mouth and let those my question was directed to answer the question you are stupid and I make no apologies for saying so, you probably grew up in a home where you were fed a steady diet of hate and fear so now you chase shadows everywhere I find your responses lacking in vision and coherency do I know your girl/wife?

STFU and pee and go in your bed but don't forget to check under it first for monsters and spies

[zoom rader]

fete?

Read behind ur words.

[Trini Hookah]

Hmm my first contribution in this thread and I'm anti-Hindu too lol, your level of hatred and ignorance is astounding

Go read ur question again and see how dumb it is. U cannot class fasting and prayers with a fete. U are using words to hide ur real agenda. And no i am not hindu but i am sure I have more understanding that u and ur PNM friends

man bringing politics into this yes, you should GTFO

[Naka]

^^^like what? similar to what going on in t&t?

I wasn't comparing similarities homie, I was saying if it was so, then India would of been crime free.

[Naka]

Naka I don't know if you've noticed but he didn't write anything with an open mind eh. All of your logic does not matter. My point about the continent was that there are different countries within the continent and therefore a variation of cultures but whatever. So that's a losing battle there.

No one taking he on they just feeding the troll

lol at 'feeding'.

[zoom rader]

Hmm my first contribution in this thread and I'm anti-Hindu too lol, your level of hatred and ignorance is astounding

Go read ur question again and see how dumb it is. U cannot class fasting and prayers with a fete. U are using words to hide ur real agenda. And no i am not hindu but i am sure I have more understanding that u and ur PNM friends

man bringing politics into this yes, you should GTFO

The PNM was kept in power because of the anti Indian polices towards hindus and some muslims .

[ronsin1]

I'm having a lovely discussion at my home this morning and I'd appreciate the input of the Tuner Hindus

As Hindus do you see your religion and it's cultures/traditions as separate entities or are they one and the same? Apparently some Trinis are saying there's religion on one end and cultures on the other e.g. how do you view Divali? Is the fasting and prayers one thing and the lighting up another?

serious question eh I'm not interested in attacking any religion so my normal detractors if you cannot answer intelligently then please don't

The religion and tradition at some point clash

[nemisis]

Hmm my first contribution in this thread and I'm anti-Hindu too lol, your level of hatred and ignorance is astounding

Go read ur question again and see how dumb it is. U cannot class fasting and prayers with a fete. U are using words to hide ur real agenda. And no i am not hindu but i am sure I have more understanding that u and ur PNM friends

man bringing politics into this yes, you should GTFO

The PNM was kept in power because of the anti Indian polices towards hindus and some muslims .

Really, I never knew that the cheap puncheon was a ploy too keep your kind outta politics and in the rum shop... By your kind I mean hindu, and by politics i mean as PM, cause we all know Muslim don't drink, damn them pnm real sneaky

[eliteauto]

I'm having a lovely discussion at my home this morning and I'd appreciate the input of the Tuner Hindus

As Hindus do you see your religion and it's cultures/traditions as separate entities or are they one and the same? Apparently some Trinis are saying there's religion on one end and cultures on the other e.g. how do you view Divali? Is the fasting and prayers one thing and the lighting up another?

serious question eh I'm not interested in attacking any religion so my normal detractors if you cannot answer intelligently then please don't

The religion and tradition at some point clash

Well growing up with Hindus to me I see it as one and the same from their POV but there are certain aspects of their practices that are embraced by non-Hindus ( eating at prayers,bandaras, lighting deyas etc) which to me make up part of Trini culture, just like going to Hosay or Christmas celebrations, I was using that argument today to defend Gov't policy of contributing to Divali celevrations

Thanks for your input

[ronsin1]

What you are saying is arguable true.
tradition is basically religion

note tradition is also based on teaching from the past


I have experienced a lot of Hindu religious activities done different ways and everyone I talk to stated this is the way they were taught to do it.

some may do it the right way some may do it the wrong way all in all it is their traditional back ground and the way they were taught.

In their minds what they know and how they do it is right. But who am I to say they are wrong.

this is one of the main reason I do not argue religion. There are too much different opinions out there and everybody feel they are right.

[DFC]

I'm having a lovely discussion at my home this morning and I'd appreciate the input of the Tuner Hindus

As Hindus do you see your religion and it's cultures/traditions as separate entities or are they one and the same? Apparently some Trinis are saying there's religion on one end and cultures on the other e.g. how do you view Divali? Is the fasting and prayers one thing and the lighting up another?

serious question eh I'm not interested in attacking any religion so my normal detractors if you cannot answer intelligently then please don't

Tuners dont fall for this crap.Its a trick anti hindu question.

lol guize, Hindu religion and tradition are very closely intertwined.

Traditions are of two types.
1) those that emerged out of Scriptures
2) those that were started by people, to serve a specific purpose, at that time and age.

There is this story of how traditions get started.
There was this hindu family, they had weekly pujas every saturday.
They owned a black cat, and everytime, they made prasad and sweets in preparation for the puja, the cat snuck in and always ate the food and sweets.

So the father, had his son catch the cat and cover it with a basket so he won't interfere with the food.
So the son diligently caught the cat and basketed him every week before puja started.
This became the norm and the son grew up doing this,

The son eventually had children of his own, and continued the practice of weekly puja, and he also owned a black cat and it was repeated. His little boy,now used to catch the cat and put him in a basket.

The little boy grew up, continued the practice, and had sons of his own.
Eventually , the real reson for catching the cat became unknown, but the children grew up with that practice, so it became tradition in that family to catch a black cat and put it in a basket before puja.

Then the cat became woven into the puja itself, and became an essential part of the puja.
As generations passed, that family could not start a puja or do anything, unless they got a black cat .

So like this some traditions get started, and it gets intricately woven into culture and religious practice.

This happens not just in Hinduism, but in ALL religions and cultures.

Planting Jhandi ( the bamboo with flag) is not an India Hindu thing,
This traditions evolved in Trinidad only.

The like this many traditions are questioned by the young hindu today, and it seems to make no sense. The truth lies in learning history and scripture, only then you can really dissect the sense from nonsense.

In terms of Divali, fasting, puja, lighting up, is tradition that is based on the religion and scripture. In the Ramayan, when Rama returned to Ayodhya, he returned on Diviali day,and the whole kingdom, lit deyas to welcome him. The whole Ayodhya was lit up, and this is one reason why Hindu's light deya's on Divali night.

[zoom rader]

DCF,
U may have been to India, but have u been to Guyana, Suriname and some parts of UK. Point is they all have Jhandis, so its not a Trinidad thing as u may think.

[zcarz]

DCF,
U may have been to India, but have u been to Guyana, Suriname and some parts of UK. Point is they all have Jhandis, so its not a Trinidad thing as u may think.

yea, Jhandis didn't stem directly from Trinidad, and they are present in India, in an area known as the Bhojpuri belt.

"Many Caribbean Hindus invite their priests to their homes each year on a birthday, a holiday or an auspicious day on the Hindu calendar to perform religious ceremonies called pujas.

Jhandis, reminders of the pujas, are supposed to fly high on bamboo poles in front of the devotees' houses for the rest of the year or until they are so tattered they must be thrown away, Sharma said.

Not all Hindus display jhandis, but the flags are common among Hindus from the Caribbean, said Sannyasin Arumugaswami, managing editor of the Hawaii-based magazine Hinduism Today.

That's because many of the Hindus who moved to Caribbean countries such as Guyana and Trinidad arrived in the 19th century from an area in central India - often called the Bhojpuri Belt - where jhandis are common, he said."

[zcarz]

I'm having a lovely discussion at my home this morning and I'd appreciate the input of the Tuner Hindus

As Hindus do you see your religion and it's cultures/traditions as separate entities or are they one and the same? Apparently some Trinis are saying there's religion on one end and cultures on the other e.g. how do you view Divali? Is the fasting and prayers one thing and the lighting up another?

serious question eh I'm not interested in attacking any religion so my normal detractors if you cannot answer intelligently then please don't

Tuners dont fall for this crap.Its a trick anti hindu question.

how was that question anti-hindu?

[DFC]

DCF,
U may have been to India, but have u been to Guyana, Suriname and some parts of UK. Point is they all have Jhandis, so its not a Trinidad thing as u may think.

yea, Jhandis didn't stem directly from Trinidad, and they are present in India, in an area known as the Bhojpuri belt.

"Many Caribbean Hindus invite their priests to their homes each year on a birthday, a holiday or an auspicious day on the Hindu calendar to perform religious ceremonies called pujas.

Jhandis, reminders of the pujas, are supposed to fly high on bamboo poles in front of the devotees' houses for the rest of the year or until they are so tattered they must be thrown away, Sharma said.

Not all Hindus display jhandis, but the flags are common among Hindus from the Caribbean, said Sannyasin Arumugaswami, managing editor of the Hawaii-based magazine Hinduism Today.

That's because many of the Hindus who moved to Caribbean countries such as Guyana and Trinidad arrived in the 19th century from an area in central India - often called the Bhojpuri Belt - where jhandis are common, he said."

Zoomrader i have been to guyana, suriname, UK, grenada, barbados, and alot more.

And from what i have researched, that pundits from trinidad who went to guyana in the early 1960's encouraged the hindu's there to plant jhandi's.
From guyana, it spread to suriname, and then wherever hindu's migrated they carried this tradition, because it became a symbol of pride.

During my early years of travels and research, i asked a very old and prominent Hindu priest in guyana, on how the practice of planting jhandi's started in guyana.

He didn't know because his father never did it. I asked him, if before the 1960's, was planting jhandi's a common practice, to which he replied No.

It was during the 1980's that it became popular and became part of the faith.

I have been to Uttar Pradesh in india. i spent alot of time in Mirzapur, Gyanpur, Allahabad, Varnasi, the crux of the bhojpuri belt. and i stayed in the rural villages. Still yet to see a jhandi.

The word Jhandi is bhojpuri for Pole.

If it is true that it did originate in UP, then that also makes sense.

Truth is, that planting jhandi's is not in our scriptures or in the Puja Vidhiti (puja manual).
Planting of Jhandi is not in the puja manual, but in the caribbean it has been added as part of the ritual.


So i could be wrong, on the origins.
Maybe.