Guyana-Venezuela border dispute

[Redman]

Vene has 100,000 + in their military-but they prolly not feeling too nationalistic right now.

Guyana has 3000 TOTAL in their whatever.

Any possible war between actual citizens will be over PDQ.

[ek4ever]

Vene has 100,000 + in their military-but they prolly not feeling too nationalistic right now.

Guyana has 3000 TOTAL in their whatever.

Any possible war between actual citizens will be over PDQ.

TTDF will supplement

[The_Honourable]

Vene has 100,000 + in their military-but they prolly not feeling too nationalistic right now.

Guyana has 3000 TOTAL in their whatever.

Any possible war between actual citizens will be over PDQ.

China and Russia in Venezuela's corner while most likely, America will be in Guyana's corner... any potential war just got technical.

[Redman]

A bunch of oil/NG exporters getting in a fight over a soon to be exporter.

ALL benefit from geopolitic instability.....specially when Nat Gas priced regionally.

why not get 10 usd in the western hemisphere

[Miktay]

Aircraft carriers doh work well without oil...

[timothymcdavid]

Aircraft carriers doh work well without oil...

America's Nimitz aircraft carriers are nuclear powered and America was the largest or second largest exporter of oil last year.

There will be no war Venezuela is just posturing looking to get Guyana to the negotiating table they have used gun boats to chase away exploration vessels in the past even Suriname has done this.

Venezuela knows Guyana is politically unstable right now and will be wobbly from now till elections and maybe 6 months after that.

[zoom rader]

In the end the CIA will win.

[Miktay]

Aircraft carriers doh work well without oil...

America's Nimitz aircraft carriers are nuclear powered and America was the largest or second largest exporter of oil last year.

There will be no war Venezuela is just posturing looking to get Guyana to the negotiating table they have used gun boats to chase away exploration vessels in the past even Suriname has done this.

Venezuela knows Guyana is politically unstable right now and will be wobbly from now till elections and maybe 6 months after that.

The carrier sting iz the planes. Planes doh run on nuclear or solar power. They need oil.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Guyana and Venezuela have been locked in a territorial dispute that dates back to 1899 and an arbitration award by an international tribunal that drew the border between the two South American nations largely to the favor of Guyana, which was then a British colony. The Tunisia-sized swath of jungle west of the Essequibo river in the dispute is rich in gold, diamonds, timber and other natural resources.

The United Nations’ highest court ruled Friday that it will intervene to settle a decades-old border dispute between South American neighbors Guyana and Venezuela.

The decision by the International Court of Justice means it will now move to judge the merits of the case, which will likely take months or years.

Today Guyana's President sent this letter to Venezuela (click to enlarge)

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

The disputed territory is more than half the size of Guyana

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[Kenjo]

I’m sure Russia could help Guyana to purchase weapons to defend its territory in exchange for payment in oil

[timothymcdavid]

Whole thing is a non issue an American company Exxon is getting Guyana's oil at a steal of a deal so for the time being this is a non issue.

America recognizes the original agreement between itself, Guyana, Venezuela and the UK so Maduro or whoever is in power can make as much noise, posture and threaten all they want the status quo aint changing.

The border issue in both Guyana and Venezuela is the ultimate smoke screen and facade only issue unites the population on either side so we know why Maduro is sabre rattling but is going to do nothing.

Talk is uncle sam want to set up a base in the Essequibo (disputed territory) imho they are more than welcome to do so.

[Redress10]

Whole thing is a non issue an American company Exxon is getting Guyana's oil at a steal of a deal so for the time being this is a non issue.

America recognizes the original agreement between itself, Guyana, Venezuela and the UK so Maduro or whoever is in power can make as much noise, posture and threaten all they want the status quo aint changing.

The border issue in both Guyana and Venezuela is the ultimate smoke screen and facade only issue unites the population on either side so we know why Maduro is sabre rattling but is going to do nothing.

Talk is uncle sam want to set up a base in the Essequibo (disputed territory) imho they are more than welcome to do so.

Dumb post. You acting as though uncle Sam cares about that spot of land enough to protect it and defend it.

With all the problems usa facing globally I can tell you that this isn't even a priority.

[Chimera]

Dem muddas skunt

[paid_influencer]

Whole thing is a non issue an American company Exxon is getting Guyana's oil at a steal of a deal so for the time being this is a non issue.

America recognizes the original agreement between itself, Guyana, Venezuela and the UK so Maduro or whoever is in power can make as much noise, posture and threaten all they want the status quo aint changing.

The border issue in both Guyana and Venezuela is the ultimate smoke screen and facade only issue unites the population on either side so we know why Maduro is sabre rattling but is going to do nothing.

Talk is uncle sam want to set up a base in the Essequibo (disputed territory) imho they are more than welcome to do so.

Good post. It does seem like a move by Maduro to cast more external enemies to blame for Venezuela's situation.

[VexXx Dogg]

Their oil needs a dose of American freedumb

[timothymcdavid]

You are correct uncle sam doesnt care about the land or the brown people that occupy it neither does Venezuela ... it has always been about the oil ... the oil in Venezuela and in Guyana.

Exxon was thrown out of Venezuela and that is when their problems really started large sums of money are still owed in that matter.

Right now Guyana produces over 100,000 barrels a day another 5yrs it is forecast to be well over 500,000 projections are it will become the 11th nation in history to produce over a million barrels of oil a day.

America considers South America its backyard and has acted unilaterally there in the past.

Dumb post. You acting as though uncle Sam cares about that spot of land enough to protect it and defend it.

With all the problems usa facing globally I can tell you that this isn't even a priority.

[Dizzy28]

Wonder if all the arbitrary boundaries the colonial powers drew up can be similarly disputed?

[Redman]

Rex Tillerson s 10 days as Sec State(?) encapsulated the Guyana negotiations with XOM

[timelapse]

Another example of Venezuelan boldfacedness and brazen disregard for any kind of law and order.

[Redman]

Chavez built his career till his dying day on calling the US the great Satan.

All the while the US was Vene largest buyer of crude....oil and politics allyuh get tie up.

[timelapse]

Chavez built his career till his dying day on calling the US the great Satan.

All the while the US was Vene largest buyer of crude....oil and politics allyuh get tie up.

not US, Obama...I call him the same thing

[The_Honourable]

Talking tough...

Briefing by President Irfaan Ali on the Guyana/Venezuela border issue. January 30th, 2020

[timothymcdavid]

Maduro just trying to divert attention away from his country's sorry state by bullying poor Guyanese he wont be trying them nonsense with Brazil or Colombia.

[2WNBoost]

A direct result of Imperialists doing imperialist things in the 3rd World

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guayana_Esequiba
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Immediate reactions
In 1899, immediately after the arbitration ruling, the US counsel for Venezuela were interviewed jointly, and pointed out their first claims against the ruling:

"Great Britain, up to the time of the intervention of the United States, distinctly refused to arbitrate any portion of the territory east of the Schomburgk line, alleging that its title was unassailable. This territory included the Attacuri river and Point Barima, which is of the greatest value strategically and commercially. The award gives Point Barima, with a strip of land fifty miles long, to Venezuela, which thereby obtains entire control of the River Orinoco. Three thousand square miles in the interior are also awarded to Venezuela. Thus, by a decision in which the British arbitrators concurred, the position taken by Great Britain in 1895 is shown to be unfounded [...] The President of the tribunal in his closing address today had commented upon the unanimity of the present judgment and had referred to it as a proof of the success of the arbitration, but it did not require much intelligence to penetrate behind this superficial statement and to see that the line drawn is a line of compromise and not a line of right. If the British contention was right, the line should have been drawn further west; if it were wrong, the line should have been drawn much further east. There was nothing in the history of the controversy, nor in the legal principle involved, which could adequately explain why the line should be drawn where it had been. So long as arbitration was conducted on such principles, it could not be regarded as a success, at least by those who believe that arbitration should result in the admission of legal rights and not in compromises really diplomatic in character. Venezuela had gained much, but was entitled to much more, and if the arbitrators were unanimous, it must be because their failure to agree would have confirmed Great Britain in the possession of even more territory".[22]

The Venezuelan government showed almost immediate disapproval with the 1899 Arbitral Award. As early as 7 October 1899 Venezuela voiced her condemnation of the Award, and demanded the renegotiation of her eastern border with British Guiana: that day, Venezuelan Foreign Minister José Andrade stated that the Arbitral Award was the product of political collusion and it should not be adhered to by Venezuela.[23][24]

Renewed dispute
On 26 October 1899 in a letter to a colleague, Severo Mallet-Prevost, the Official Secretary of the US–Venezuela delegation in the Tribunal of Arbitration, stated that the Arbitral Award was the result of pressures brought on the judges by the President of the Tribunal, Friedrich Martens.

After numerous bilateral diplomatic attempts failed to convince the UK of her seriousness to nullify the award, Venezuela denounced it before the first assembly of the United Nations, in 1945.[23][24]

In 1949, the US jurist Otto Schoenrich gave the Venezuelan government a memorandum written by Mallet-Prevost, which was written in 1944 to be published only after his death. Mallet-Prevost surmised from the private behavior of the judges that there had a political deal between Russia and Britain,[25] and said that the Russian chair of the panel, Friedrich Martens, had visited Britain with the two British arbitrators in the summer of 1899, and subsequently had offered the two American judges a choice between accepting a unanimous award along the lines ultimately agreed, or a 3 to 2 majority opinion even more favourable to the British. The alternative would have followed the Schomburgk Line entirely, and given the mouth of the Orinoco to the British. Mallet-Prevost said that the American judges and Venezuelan counsel were disgusted at the situation and considered the 3 to 2 option with a strongly worded minority opinion, but ultimately went along with Martens to avoid depriving Venezuela of even more territory.[25] This memorandum provided a motive for Venezuela's contentions that there had in fact been a political deal between the British judges and the Russian judge at the Arbitral Tribunal, and led to Venezuela's revival of its claim to the disputed territory.[26][27]

By the 1950s, Venezuelan media led grassroots movements demanding the acquisition of Guayana Esequiba.[28] Under the dictatorship of Marcos Pérez Jiménez, the Venezuelan government began plans to invade Guayana Esequiba.[29] President Pérez Jiménez anticipated the invasion of Guyana in 1958, but was ultimately overthrown in the 1958 Venezuelan coup d'état before this was finalized.[29]

United Nations General Assembly complaint
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The Venezuelan claim of the nullity of the 1899 ruling has been acknowledged by several foreign scholars and jurists, such as J. Gillis Wetter of Sweden, in his work The International Arbitral Process (1979), awarded by the American Society of International Law. By searching on the British official archives, Wetter provided further evidence of the deal between Britain and Russia, what made him conclude that the ruling was marred by serious procedural and substantive defects, evidence that it was more a political compromise than a court ruling. Uruguayan jurist Eduardo Jiménez de Aréchaga, former President of the International Court of Justice, came to similar conclusions.

[timothymcdavid]

LOL ... Careful how you quoting wikipedia ... one only has to look at how they have spelt Guyana to determine the nationality and bias of the author ... this matter is in international court we will see how far Venezuela's claims go there and then the matter will be resolved.

[2WNBoost]

^^ You do realize that the varied spellings were related to the persons being referenced.

[The_Honourable]

Guyana says two Venezuelan fighter jets flew over its airspace

(Reuters) - Guyana said on Wednesday night that two Venezuelan fighter jets entered its airspace, circling a community on the countries’ shared border before returning to their own territory, though Venezuela’s government disputed the claim.

The incident is the latest in a long-running border conflict between the two South American nations.

Caracas says much of eastern Guyana is its own territory, a claim rejected by Georgetown. The conflict has flared up in recent years as Guyana has started developing oil reserves near the disputed area.

Guyana’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement that two Venezuelan army Sukhoi SU 30 fighter jets had flown over the community of Eteringbang and a nearby airstrip along the countries shared border at a “very low altitude of 1500 feet” on Tuesday at about 1:20 p.m. They circled once before flying back into Venezuela, the statement added.

The incident comes after a Venezuelan navy vessel detained two vessels that were fishing in Guyana’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) in January.

EEZs are maritime areas in which countries have special rights with regards to the exploration and use of marine resources.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro earlier this month issued a decree creating a “Strategic Zone for the Development of the Atlantic Facade” in an area that Guyana says encompasses its EEZ and its territorial waters.

“The Government of Guyana condemns this latest act of aggression by the Venezuelan armed forces as a violation of the sovereignty of Guyana over the air above its territory,” the statement said.

Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza in a Twitter post later on Wednesday described the flights as “regular border patrol operations” by the armed forces that took place in “non-disputed territory.”

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... SKCN2AW03I

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Guyana says two Venezuelan fighter jets flew over its airspace

(Reuters) - Guyana said on Wednesday night that two Venezuelan fighter jets entered its airspace, circling a community on the countries’ shared border before returning to their own territory, though Venezuela’s government disputed the claim.

The incident is the latest in a long-running border conflict between the two South American nations.

Caracas says much of eastern Guyana is its own territory, a claim rejected by Georgetown. The conflict has flared up in recent years as Guyana has started developing oil reserves near the disputed area.

Guyana’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement that two Venezuelan army Sukhoi SU 30 fighter jets had flown over the community of Eteringbang and a nearby airstrip along the countries shared border at a “very low altitude of 1500 feet” on Tuesday at about 1:20 p.m. They circled once before flying back into Venezuela, the statement added.

The incident comes after a Venezuelan navy vessel detained two vessels that were fishing in Guyana’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) in January.

EEZs are maritime areas in which countries have special rights with regards to the exploration and use of marine resources.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro earlier this month issued a decree creating a “Strategic Zone for the Development of the Atlantic Facade” in an area that Guyana says encompasses its EEZ and its territorial waters.

“The Government of Guyana condemns this latest act of aggression by the Venezuelan armed forces as a violation of the sovereignty of Guyana over the air above its territory,” the statement said.

Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza in a Twitter post later on Wednesday described the flights as “regular border patrol operations” by the armed forces that took place in “non-disputed territory.”

Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... SKCN2AW03I

A Venezuelan Air Force Su-30MK2 fighter jet. Credit: André Austin Du-Pont Rocha.

https://www.airforce-technology.com/new ... -airspace/

[2WNBoost]

^^

https://newsroom.gy/2021/03/03/venezuelas-fighter-jets-in-guyanas-airspace-a-sign-of-aggression-intimidation-foreign-ministry/