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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby sMASH » January 24th, 2023, 6:22 pm

pugboy wrote:how long to build that pipeline ?
Well, people who support nato in the war against Russia, will tell u these projects can happen in months.


Peoole with industrial experience will tell u minimum 2 years.


But, I want to think(with no knowledge at all) that the big players already knew the game plan and have some of the ground work already covered.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby pugboy » January 24th, 2023, 6:25 pm

of course, not the first time them dealing with lil countries fighting in lil squabble with big brother

sMASH wrote:
Peoole with industrial experience will tell u minimum 2 years.

But, I want to think(with no knowledge at all) that the big players already knew the game plan and have some of the ground work already covered.

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby paid_influencer » January 24th, 2023, 6:36 pm

pugboy wrote:of course, not the first time them dealing with lil countries fighting in lil squabble with big brother

sMASH wrote:
Peoole with industrial experience will tell u minimum 2 years.

But, I want to think(with no knowledge at all) that the big players already knew the game plan and have some of the ground work already covered.


rules-based international order does work like that. we have to ask for permission from big brother to buy gas from a country 11km from us :drinking:
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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby goalpost » January 24th, 2023, 6:36 pm

So is this a good thing?

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby paid_influencer » January 24th, 2023, 6:39 pm

goalpost wrote:So is this a good thing?


depends on how the pnm handles the energy industry

so far it looking good

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby wing » January 24th, 2023, 6:43 pm

Remember the Jubilee oil find that was supposed to be a game changer? any potential benefit is likely years away.

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby paid_influencer » January 24th, 2023, 6:51 pm

wing wrote:Remember the Jubilee oil find that was supposed to be a game changer? any potential benefit is likely years away.

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i remember that. pp had advertisement on repeat on the radio like is life changing news. and then on tv they showing kamla wih a jar of oil in she hand

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Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby Cantmis » January 24th, 2023, 8:20 pm

Shell gas shell lng shell money

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby MaxPower » January 24th, 2023, 9:55 pm

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Re: Re: PNM in Gov't

Postby pugboy » January 24th, 2023, 10:30 pm

delcy and dem not going to lock in any contract long term, they not stupid like guyana
them in this business longer than most

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby 88sins » January 25th, 2023, 5:36 am

Somebody starting to feel the energy squeeze from their sanctions against a certain cold European giant :lol:

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby bluefete » January 25th, 2023, 9:35 am

88sins wrote:Somebody starting to feel the energy squeeze from their sanctions against a certain cold European giant :lol:


This is a comment sMASH would make. LOL.

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby De Dragon » January 25th, 2023, 8:34 pm

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby SuperiorMan » January 26th, 2023, 8:14 pm

Young: T&T and Venezuela a 'perfect relationship'

T&T and Venezuela make a perfect pair when it comes to the global energy stage, Energy Minister Stuart Young believes.

And because of this Young made several visits to Washington DC last year to discuss the removal of sanctions placed by the United States.

"I made six or eight trips to Washington DC last year and they were at various levels throughout Washington DC including at the highest levels. We in T&T have taken a position and we have always held the position to follow the UN charter on the principle of non-intervention, non-interference," Young said.

"We have maintained very good relationships with the government in Venezuela. President Maduro is still the president of Venezuela which is what we have been saying from day one," he said.

The United States, during the Trump administration, had placed strict economic sanctions on the Maduro-led Venezuelan government in 2019 because it claimed the government was suppressing human rights in the country.

Young said while many other countries adopted similar positions to the US, the T&T government held steadfast in its handling of the situation.

"We continue to have that relationship because whether people want to open their eyes to it or not Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world and they have significant gas reserves," Young said.

"T&T has significant assets and infrastructure here at Pt Lisas and in Pt Fortin that convert gas to global commodities, that you can monetise, ammonia, methanol, urea, UAN, LNG so we have that capacity. So it is a perfect relationship," Young said.

Young said T&T and Venezuela have been friends for years because of where we are positioned.

"So there is that continuing relationship. As the population would have seen I made a number of trips last year to Caracas as well meeting with President Maduro, on some of those occasions and we continue to be in constant contact as we are in Washington DC at the highest levels," Young said.

Those visits seemed to have paid off.

On Tuesday Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley announced that the United States Government had approved T&T’s development of the Dragon Field via an OFAC Waiver from sanctions with specific terms to be finalised.

This means that the restrictions on the Dragon Gas Field development are now relieved and all relevant parties can progress the plans to result in natural gas from Venezuela.

Young spoke to the Business Guardian in a sit-down interview at his office located on the 26th floor at Tower C, of the International Waterfront Centre, Port-of-Spain.

From Young’s office, you can look out at the horizon of the Gulf of Paria.

But it was the type of energy future that T&T has on the horizon, that occupied Young’s mind.

“2023 is going to be an exciting year. My focus with the Ministry of Energy is to get the negotiations of the deepwater bids done with BP and Shell who have put in some bids on the deepwater because that is the next province for us,” he said.

Young said his goal is also to ensure that the ongoing bid round is handled smoothly.

On July 8 last year the Petroleum Regulations (Onshore and Nearshore Bidding) Order was published in the Gazette, signalling the start of the 2022 Onshore and Nearshore Competitive Bid Round.

A total of 11 blocks were made available for bidding including Aripero, Buenos Ayres, Charuma, Cipero, Cory D, Cory F, Guayaguayare, South West Peninsula Onshore, South West Peninsula Offshore, St. Mary’s and Tulsa.

Earlier this month 16 bids were received. The successful bids will be announced in three months.

The ministry is planning its Shallow Water Competitive Bid Round, which is expected to be launched within the first quarter of this year. Over twenty blocks are available for inclusion in this bid round.

Young said he also intends to “continue pushing Heritage and other persons who are onshore producers on the oil side” to continue working with the National Gas Company.

“We are going to have to have conversations this year with the downstreamers, meaning the pet chem companies, to make sure that there are gas contracts going forward in the future so there is a lot still going on. And also to continue to promote T&T,” Young said.

“So 2023 is going to continue to have a lot of activity, a lot of what we worked on will start coming in but we just have to keep pushing and I am also going to be looking at the fiscal for in particular oil and gas production to see how we may be able to tweak it to improve it to get more investment,” he said.

Young said he was still confident that the decision to shut down the refinery operations of Petrotrin was the right one

“I personally am a hard taskmaster so we are always pushing to get the best for the people of T&T, there are always improvements to be made I do think the restructuring of Petrotrin was a success as you have Heritage completely focused on the Exploration and Production,” he said.

The gas formula

With the high volatility with respect to global energy prices in recent times, Young said to try and counteract this T&T has instituted a new pricing formula for gas that will help spread our risk.

“The energy sector is very volatile and you are seeing that, so you saw prices years ago as low as US$180 metric tonnes for ammonia, last year it went up to US$1500 a metric tonne. Today it is just hovering around US$1,000 a metric tonne. You are seeing the same thing with the Henry Hub Price of gas,” Young said.

“One of the things we are particularly proud of is on the gas side we negotiated a formula for our gas so we have a mixture of JKM (Japan/Korea Marker) so that gives us some Asian market exposure and we have just negotiated between NBP (National Balancing Point) and TTF (Title Transfer Facility) which are two European markers,” he said.

“That is an excellent formula for us because you get the benefits of spreading your risk and people will see that all of those have brought higher prices for our gas in T&T than just being pegged on Henry Hub,” he said.

Young on second anniversary in Energy Ministry

April 19 marks exactly two years since Young was appointed this country’s Minister of Energy and Energy Industries following the untimely death of Franklin Khan.

Khan had held the position of Energy Minister since 2016.

Young said having worked with Khan during that period he feels his transition to the Energy Ministry had been seamless.

“It’s been seamless because I was assisting the previous ministers of energy since 2016 and had a particularly close working relationship with minister Khan and all of the big negotiations in the Energy sector that the government has been involved in since 2016, I have also been involved in so it was a very seamless transition,” Young said.

While Young declined to rate his own performance as Energy Minister, he believes he has done well so far.

“Of course being the substantive minister of energy you focus a lot more on energy and getting things done but I think it has gone well certainly from my perspective but I guess if you ask the energy stakeholders for their views they will give you their views,” Young said.

“I never grade myself, that is really for the stakeholders to do. I have done the best that I can and I have worked very closely, with the relationships in the sector but also spent a lot of time last year outside promoting T&T globally and hopefully the benefits of that will come home to roost,” he said.

A look back at 2022

“I think the biggest thing we have achieved as the government of T&T since 2015 to now is the renegotiation of the price formula and structures both on the LNG side as well as standing with NGC, in how they price and the price formulas that they use for their sale of gas because I can say without fear of contradiction that all of those have lead to material and tangible benefits for the people of T&T,” Young said.

“My strong belief is the resources are ours, meaning as citizens of T&T the prime minister mandated let us get better, more favourable and more equitable returns for T&T whilst balancing it with keeping foreign investment in T&T and I think we have successfully achieved that despite a lot of naysayers telling us at different times that we are going to destroy the industry, that foreign investment is going to dry up we have seen the exact opposite over the passage of time and we were always just focused on it,” he said.

Young also hailed the separation of the Loran-Manatee gas field and T&T being a fertile land for investment.

“We’ve pulled off a new PSC (production sharing contract) for Manatee, we’ve delinked the Loran side from Loran-Manatee, we’ve gotten bp to continue investing in T&T, Shell is invested heavily in T&T, we’ve kept EOG here, we’ve just managed the Woodside transition when they bought over BHP because you have to understand, Trinidadians have to understand when that takes place and have new management, new owners they look at their asset base, their global asset base and they can decide okay well T&T is no longer going to be a part of this asset base that we have purchased and they sell it off or they just drop it,” he said.

The renewables balancing act

Young said T&T needs to strike the right balance with the energy transition.

“A hydrocarbon-based economy is going to continue using hydrocarbons and we did not want the use of hydrocarbons to be drowned out in the conversation of the energy transition,” Young said.

“Gas is going to be around for decades to come, gas is the cleanest source of fossil fuel so we made sure to get out there speak to the right audiences, speak to the right people, and I think that has worked and people are focused on the continued production of oil and gas in particular with T&T can do for energy security,” he said.

“Of course, you have to have renewables so I am balancing that because we also are aware of the deleterious effects of the global climate change and I am particularly focused on that but you must have a balance because nobody can depend on solely on renewables,” he said.

Young said T&T will therefore be focused on decarbonisation.

“We have already signed the methane pledge so we are trying to clean up methane which is actually more harmful than carbon dioxide and these are things we are doing but we are doing renewables as well,” he said.

“I am particularly proud that by the end of last year after a long set of negotiation, you have seen that we signed the agreement for the largest solar farms in the English-speaking Caricom 112.2 megawatts, project Lara,” Young said.

https://guardian.co.tt/business/young-t ... 23e1827995

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby SuperiorMan » January 26th, 2023, 8:16 pm

T&T and Venezuela a 'perfect relationship' :)

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby DMan7 » January 26th, 2023, 8:17 pm

So when is this "relationship" going to trickle down to the small man on the ground buying gas at the pump?

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby MaxPower » January 26th, 2023, 8:24 pm

SuperiorMan wrote:T&T and Venezuela a 'perfect relationship' :)


Let us stand together as 1.

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Postby De Dragon » January 26th, 2023, 8:25 pm

DMan7 wrote:So when is this "relationship" going to trickle down to the small man on the ground buying gas at the pump?

Once Goebbels, JUHN Scarfy and the LFD RFD PNM get their cut, which means essentially never

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Re: Should Venezuelan refugees be allowed to live in T&T?

Postby 88sins » January 27th, 2023, 5:07 am

DMan7 wrote:So when is this "relationship" going to trickle down to the small man on the ground buying gas at the pump?


February 32nd, in the year 7099, at half past never.

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Re: Dragon Gas Deal With Venezuela

Postby wing » January 28th, 2023, 8:02 am

Ramdeen: UNC not a viable alternative to the PNM
Ex-Senator also lauds Govt for Dragon Gas deal

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The United National Congress, as is presently constituted, is the greatest asset to the Dr Keith Rowley-led People’s National Movement Government remaining in power, says inactive UNC member Gerald Ramdeen.

The former UNC senator says the UNC in its present form isn’t an attractive option or viable alternative to the Government.

And he has also said Government has delivered on the Dragon Gas Field matter.

Ramdeen has been a UNC member since the 2000 period, but is currently inactive. He was appointed to the Senate in 2016 as a senator. He resigned as a Senator in 2019, following an alleged corruption charge in relation to an alleged kickback scandal linked to former Attorney general Anand Ramlogan, who was his co-accused in that matter. However, the charges against both men were discontinued by the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) last year after the state’s main witness, Vincent Nelson, refused to testify until another matter he had against the state was completed.

Speaking to the T&T Guardian yesterday, Ramdeen said he supported the idea of the Dragon Gas Field getting off the ground.

Ramdeen said, “It’s progressive for T&T and a very good step. Understand me well—I’m not talking about the PNM but as I said, the Government has been able to be successful in the first stage of the Dragon Field matter and it’s very progressive for T&T.

“I think at the end of the day, anyone who has the best interests of all T&T at heart would be pleased Government is going in this direction. Whether it’s UNC or PNM, the fact is Dr Rowley has delivered this and there is great potential for T&T to benefit significantly from this.”

He added, “This matter has been worked on by various governments and this administration has delivered on it. My position is not a matter of supporting the Rowley Government, but it’s a fact that Government has delivered on this issue and if things fall into place, the potential for T&T to benefit significantly is there.”

On Tuesday, PM Rowley revealed that the US government had given T&T a two-year license to develop the reserves in Venezuela’s Dragon Gas Field.

Ramdeen also said he’s not playing an active role with the UNC currently.

However, he said the way the UNC is “presently constituted,” he feels that as a person, he can make a better contribution to the country than as a UNC member.

“The Opposition has not conducted itself in a manner that makes it a viable alternative to the Government; a classic example is there was an Energy conference held in Port-of-Spain recently with multinationals present and while the Opposition is at the front in criticising the Government, where there’s a significant development in the energy sector, the Opposition is silent.”

But he said joining the PNM isn’t an option on the table at the moment and he hadn’t been approached by the PNM.

“There are a lot of people in T&T who are willing to contribute to T&T’s development and not a lot of them are aligned to the PNM. But one is sure that in the present structure and form of the Opposition, it’s not an attractive option or viable alternative to the Government,” he said.


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Re: Dragon Gas Deal With Venezuela

Postby Mmoney607 » January 28th, 2023, 10:10 am

I don't think anyone can disagree with what Ramdeen said about the UNC.

However, since when he became a gas expert?

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Postby The_Honourable » January 28th, 2023, 10:39 am

Mmoney607 wrote:I don't think anyone can disagree with what Ramdeen said about the UNC.

However, since when he became a gas expert?


You don't need to be a gas expert to know and recognize that the US waiving sanctions on the dragon gas deal is a good for T&T.

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Re: Dragon Gas Deal With Venezuela

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The_Honourable wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:I don't think anyone can disagree with what Ramdeen said about the UNC.

However, since when he became a gas expert?


You don't need to be a gas expert to know and recognize that the US waiving sanctions on the dragon gas deal is a good for T&T.

So when the people going to see the benefits?

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Re: Dragon Gas Deal With Venezuela

Postby wing » January 28th, 2023, 11:47 am

The_Honourable wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:I don't think anyone can disagree with what Ramdeen said about the UNC.

However, since when he became a gas expert?


You don't need to be a gas expert to know and recognize that the US waiving sanctions on the dragon gas deal is a good for T&T.
Careful you are labelled as a PNM paid blogger. Ask kickstart, money or dragon.

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Re: Dragon Gas Deal With Venezuela

Postby The_Honourable » January 28th, 2023, 12:24 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:I don't think anyone can disagree with what Ramdeen said about the UNC.

However, since when he became a gas expert?


You don't need to be a gas expert to know and recognize that the US waiving sanctions on the dragon gas deal is a good for T&T.

So when the people going to see the benefits?


Well any layman will know is not tomorrow morning obviously...

Former energy minister Ramnarine predicts: Dragon gas in Trinidad and Tobago by 2027

FORMER People's Partnership energy minister Kevin Ramnarine has congratulated the Prime Minister in staying the course on the Dragon gas deal between TT and Venezuela and estimates that the first gas will be pumped within three to four years.

Ramnarine spoke with Newsday on Wednesday, one day after Dr Rowley announced that the US Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) granted TT a waiver on sanctions imposed on Venezuela, allowing TT to extract gas from the South American country.

Ramnarine said the real victory is that the two-year license is just the beginning of possibly a longer agreement where TT can have years of a proven and reliable source of natural gas.

“The question that everybody wants to know is when is this gas going to arrive in Trinidad Tobago? I have said, all things being equal, three to four years. I would say three and a half years. A lot of things have to happen between now and then.

"One is the commercial arrangement between Shell, the National Gas Company (NGC) and the Venezuelan government and that in itself will take time to negotiate.”

Ramnarine added that getting a project to a final investment decision is also another time-consuming aspect that could take close to four years.

His three-to-four year estimation is based on everything falling into place as this deal has been some 20 years in the making, with deceased prime minister Patrick Manning beginning talks with deceased Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez. He pointed out that Venezuela is yet to comment on the deal.

“It's a step in the right direction for TT. It means that it is taking us into a new phase of our energy sector where we go from an energy sector based on natural gas that was produced within our geographic borders, to one where we import natural gas via pipelines from from Venezuela. We have to consider how we derive the maximum benefits from that arrangement," Ramnarine said.

He added that over the past 12 years, the country has seen depleting gas reserves creating an “existential crisis” for companies in the energy sector such as Point Lisas resulting in the closure of Train One at Atlantic LNG.

On Rowley's revelation on Tuesday that TT had asked for a ten-year license but was only given two years, Ramnarine suspects this was the USA being cautious in lifting sanctions against Venezuela.

The two-year license, Ramnarine suspects, may persuade Venezuela to move in the direction that the US wants regarding dialogue between the Nicolas Maduro government and the Opposition and possibly fresh elections.

https://newsday.co.tt/2023/01/25/former ... o-by-2027/



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The_Honourable wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:I don't think anyone can disagree with what Ramdeen said about the UNC.

However, since when he became a gas expert?


You don't need to be a gas expert to know and recognize that the US waiving sanctions on the dragon gas deal is a good for T&T.
Careful you are labelled as a PNM paid blogger. Ask kickstart, money or dragon.


lol i'm good. Don't like pnm at all but you have to give credit where credit is due.

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Re: Dragon Gas Deal With Venezuela

Postby Mmoney607 » January 28th, 2023, 12:41 pm

And absolutely nothing stopping this happen right? Lol. Its a guarantee, a sure thing. Lol

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Postby The_Honourable » January 28th, 2023, 12:48 pm

Mmoney607 wrote:And absolutely nothing stopping this happen right? Lol. Its a guarantee, a sure thing. Lol


Not a guarantee, geopolitical wild cards at play but it is positive news whether you like it or not. If you want to hope for it to fall thru because it will make Rowley look bad, you go right ahead.

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Re: Dragon Gas Deal With Venezuela

Postby hover11 » January 28th, 2023, 12:57 pm

Not saying it is a bad deal however too little too late. They had seven years to come up with something and we would not see the effects of this deal until some years down the road so can't use this as an election gimmick. I see the calls for diversification of the economy again falls on deaf ears with this deal.

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Re: Dragon Gas Deal With Venezuela

Postby Mmoney607 » January 28th, 2023, 1:16 pm

The_Honourable wrote:
Mmoney607 wrote:And absolutely nothing stopping this happen right? Lol. Its a guarantee, a sure thing. Lol


Not a guarantee, geopolitical wild cards at play but it is positive news whether you like it or not. If you want to hope for it to fall thru because it will make Rowley look bad, you go right ahead.

I know you are an intelligent guy but right now you sounding like you believe emailgate was real

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Re: Dragon Gas Deal With Venezuela

Postby pugboy » January 28th, 2023, 1:16 pm

well at least the pot get stir a little and ppl smelling it now

the problem is stirring a pot of poo still leaves the poo in the pot

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