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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby rspann » January 13th, 2018, 6:40 pm

We all know people who works wasa , cepep , URP , works ,licensing , and a host of other government departments ,and the problem is the same all over. Lazy Trinis who expect pay for nothing and most of the same 4000 will be doing the same thing they doing now.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby fatboy slim » January 13th, 2018, 7:00 pm

It is really simple just restructure wasa, make improvements on their operations, provide superb service to customers and increase the rates.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby racedriverpro » January 13th, 2018, 7:48 pm

I seeing the bethamites demanding free bottled water from wasa when the taps dry...

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby airuma » January 13th, 2018, 8:12 pm

"BUt frankly the strategy of exploring all options properly is what is needed"
So the government has no money, large plants closing their doors, people loosing jobs and the best out of ALL the options is one which will use the little money we have to provide something we already get and impose unfair competition on private companies most likely causing more job losses?
I disagree with the approach.... it lacks fundamental management skills, the ability to make the MOST SENSIBLE decision!

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby matr1x » January 13th, 2018, 8:44 pm

He is from Ghana isn't he? Trump is onto them.
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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby hong kong phooey » January 14th, 2018, 1:53 am

fatboy slim wrote:It is really simple just restructure wasa, make improvements on their operations, provide superb service to customers and increase the rates.


No install meters and charge people accordingly to their usage.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby matr1x » January 14th, 2018, 5:59 am

I can tell you the usage monitor is a failure. That's why it never got off the pilot stage.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby Redman » January 14th, 2018, 7:57 am

rspann wrote:Redman ,in theory it's a good business idea , it can make money , and you're correct on those points . But if they can't manage their mandate right now ,which is to provide water to the country , everybody ,then why do you think they'll be successful with this venture?


Spann....you misrepresenting what Im saying-leave that for ZR nah.....Ive stated 2x that I disagree with the idea...but applaud the approach of the Minister in looking at all options and to use some data to make decisions.
Its nice to see them fellas doing stuff based on some analysis.

WASA is a state enterprise that suffers from the same thing every state enterprise suffers from:

-A Bloated employee roster-created by union agreements that are settled not for the benefit of the co/employees....but for the political optics.
-A social/political mandate-foisted upon it by the political directorate at the time
A Business that is founded on a subsidized product-that restricts your cash flow AND forces you to keep supplying regardless.
So what you get in hand is a % of the economic value and then you depend of subventions from the gortt.

So you are in a position where Govt loading yuh tail up with unnecessary employees,then telling you that you have to do xyz(regardless of the sense) and then the same gortt starving you of cash flow.

So on a day to day basis you have little cash to operate a capital intensive biz.


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Where we are today
Based on what was stated in the JSC meetings and thus far remains unchallenged..
..The CEO stated that much of the needed network improvement and maintenance was deferred between 2010-2015.
..Work that should have been done by internal staff was contracted out-overpriced and poorly done....and a ton of unpaid contractor debt was on the books.So WASA paying staff and contractors to get the same amount of work done.
....That WASA has 3000 approx in 2010 as a result of a planned reduction.....down from 5000. in 2015 the roster was back up to 5000.Pre 2010 it was determined that 5000 employees was exponentially more per gallon of produced water than similar utilities world wide.

Today you have a OLD neglected network that is located along congested roads.
This old network cannot sustain the pressures required to get much of the water to where it needs..And if you try the network will fail at a faster rate.


They have had to pay down debt,reduce contractor involvement while restructuring internal staff to deal with work, start new projects,keep an increasing maintenance tempo going, and try to rationalize the co,
all with a entrenched level of corruption that setting fires on one side while refusing to put out others.

Based on the above-I would say its a tough mandate to get to where they supposed to be.

While I disagree with the idea of introducing a ANOTHER state enterprise into private sector biz,(GORTT is way too big arredy) (3X)

I see the potential

WASA cannot sell water to the public at its economic cost.

WASA can sell bottled water at much higher prices.

If WASA could sell 5% of its volume for market rates-it might be able to 'self subsidize'20-25% of its loss making volumes.Whatever the numbers the principle remains-Every Gallon that is profitable is a gallon that can pay for a subsidized gallon....less money from the GORTT

The bottle water market can absorb another player-

In my mind WASA Bottled water should just be for export-another lucrative market,infinite in size -and it will generate USD.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » January 14th, 2018, 8:06 am

De Dragon wrote:That's what this clown came from Ghana to do? WASA needs to reduce the millions of leaks on its transmission systems, demand and receive payment from State agencies owing it hundreds of millions, and cut out the corruption and mismanagement. No one wants WASA bottled water, because well, it is WASA, and will always be looked upon with scepticism. I mean, would you buy toothpaste from Bright Bowl? They might make the best toothpaste in the world if they tried, but come on, it's Bright Bowl.


I agree but IF WASA can sell bottled water cheaper than the competition then I am all for it. somehow though I feel like that is not going to happen, Coca Cola sells a half liter bottle of water Dasani for $1 if you buy the case and them buying water from WASA.

I agree 100% WASA needs to fix their leaks, right now they are about to cut off water every other day for this whole dry season simply because of the amount of leaks. Why don't these dip shits fix this issue?

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby Redman » January 14th, 2018, 8:35 am

in 2008 WASA investigated using a barge to move water from Pt Lisas to the LABICO estate since they determined that they could not pay for 500,000 from Desalcott, and garantee that 200-250,000 will reach La Brea.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby desifemlove » January 14th, 2018, 9:00 am

stupid idea. so the government making water to sell. part of the issue is the state is too large.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby zoom rader » January 14th, 2018, 9:05 am

desifemlove wrote:stupid idea. so the government making water to sell. part of the issue is the state is too large.
Again you are not from here
Water has always been sold here.

Wasa buys and sells water every single day

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby desifemlove » January 14th, 2018, 9:19 am

lol. so coz i don't live in your country, i cannot comment? i comment from my experiences, and yes, wasa has no riht selling sheit.

either it set up a strictly commercial department selling this, like bmobile, or it divest all commercial ventures, and uses the revenues for insfrastructre improvements. i dont' trust WASA under any government to procure, bottle, store, and source bottled water well enough. not when there are already big competitors on the market, from Coke, Blue waters, etc.

look, don't get mad coz i cussed up yuh party/religion. UNC could have still been in power now, if the corruption or perceived corruption was not as high as under PNM. if allyuh complain why UNC has more open baccahanal than PNM, then see the content of the people in yuh party. it's a first step.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby desifemlove » January 14th, 2018, 9:24 am

Redman wrote:
rspann wrote:Redman ,in theory it's a good business idea , it can make money , and you're correct on those points . But if they can't manage their mandate right now ,which is to provide water to the country , everybody ,then why do you think they'll be successful with this venture?


Spann....you misrepresenting what Im saying-leave that for ZR nah.....Ive stated 2x that I disagree with the idea...but applaud the approach of the Minister in looking at all options and to use some data to make decisions.
Its nice to see them fellas doing stuff based on some analysis.

WASA is a state enterprise that suffers from the same thing every state enterprise suffers from:

-A Bloated employee roster-created by union agreements that are settled not for the benefit of the co/employees....but for the political optics.
-A social/political mandate-foisted upon it by the political directorate at the time
A Business that is founded on a subsidized product-that restricts your cash flow AND forces you to keep supplying regardless.
So what you get in hand is a % of the economic value and then you depend of subventions from the gortt.

So you are in a position where Govt loading yuh tail up with unnecessary employees,then telling you that you have to do xyz(regardless of the sense) and then the same gortt starving you of cash flow.

So on a day to day basis you have little cash to operate a capital intensive biz.


PNM=UNC=NAR=NJAC=DLP=ABC=LOL


Where we are today
Based on what was stated in the JSC meetings and thus far remains unchallenged..
..The CEO stated that much of the needed network improvement and maintenance was deferred between 2010-2015.
..Work that should have been done by internal staff was contracted out-overpriced and poorly done....and a ton of unpaid contractor debt was on the books.So WASA paying staff and contractors to get the same amount of work done.
....That WASA has 3000 approx in 2010 as a result of a planned reduction.....down from 5000. in 2015 the roster was back up to 5000.Pre 2010 it was determined that 5000 employees was exponentially more per gallon of produced water than similar utilities world wide.

Today you have a OLD neglected network that is located along congested roads.
This old network cannot sustain the pressures required to get much of the water to where it needs..And if you try the network will fail at a faster rate.


They have had to pay down debt,reduce contractor involvement while restructuring internal staff to deal with work, start new projects,keep an increasing maintenance tempo going, and try to rationalize the co,
all with a entrenched level of corruption that setting fires on one side while refusing to put out others.

Based on the above-I would say its a tough mandate to get to where they supposed to be.

While I disagree with the idea of introducing a ANOTHER state enterprise into private sector biz,(GORTT is way too big arredy) (3X)

I see the potential

WASA cannot sell water to the public at its economic cost.

WASA can sell bottled water at much higher prices.

If WASA could sell 5% of its volume for market rates-it might be able to 'self subsidize'20-25% of its loss making volumes.Whatever the numbers the principle remains-Every Gallon that is profitable is a gallon that can pay for a subsidized gallon....less money from the GORTT

The bottle water market can absorb another player-

In my mind WASA Bottled water should just be for export-another lucrative market,infinite in size -and it will generate USD.

which foreign countries will buy bottled water? no way WASA could compete with the big global firms. Does anybody see SM Jaleel as a global player?

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby Sundar » January 14th, 2018, 9:34 am

I still don't understand how Wasa could own rain water. Also would you be surprised if their bottled water starts to leak .

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby Redman » January 14th, 2018, 10:03 am

Designed
SMJaleel is exceptionally well run and successful.

One does not have to be a coke or a Pepsi to make money.
Scale is a relevant concept here.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby zoom rader » January 14th, 2018, 10:49 am

desifemlove wrote:lol. so coz i don't live in your country, i cannot comment? i comment from my experiences, and yes, wasa has no riht selling sheit.

either it set up a strictly commercial department selling this, like bmobile, or it divest all commercial ventures, and uses the revenues for insfrastructre improvements. i dont' trust WASA under any government to procure, bottle, store, and source bottled water well enough. not when there are already big competitors on the market, from Coke, Blue waters, etc.

look, don't get mad coz i cussed up yuh party/religion. UNC could have still been in power now, if the corruption or perceived corruption was not as high as under PNM. if allyuh complain why UNC has more open baccahanal than PNM, then see the content of the people in yuh party. it's a first step.
You have no experience in Trini. More so you are confuse that UNC is a Hindu party , it's ok you are allowed to be confused as you female

Stick to UKIP

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby airuma » January 14th, 2018, 10:54 am

So Redman...... you spent all that time to type up a loooooooooooong post, giving all the reasons that a state enterprise viz. WASA, cannot be managed properly, then suggest that WASA can somehow run a profitable "sideline" business without the plagues of the government affecting it!!!
Maybe it's a good time for us to remember the NGC-CLICO situation!
I think the last line of the article is very important,
"Dominic Hadeed of Blue Waters could not be reached for comment"
According to the article, they only spoke to the CEO of Water One, what about Dasani, Oasis etc.? Why highlight Dominic Hadeed?
PriceSmart is selling their own branded water and the bottle looks identical to the Blue Waters bottle.... the price is much better too, 36 bottles for $23 I think.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby Redman » January 14th, 2018, 11:02 am

Managed properly?
I think they trying...but nothing happens quickly.
And
I was answering spanns questions.

Bottled water isn't dependent on the entire network not leaking.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby sinstersamwise » January 14th, 2018, 4:36 pm

rspann wrote:WASA don't have water to supply customers that they already have, but they want to bottle something they don't have ? Makes a lot of sense.
What he said...

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby rspann » January 14th, 2018, 5:11 pm

Redman wrote:Managed properly?
I think they trying...but nothing happens quickly.
And
I was answering spanns questions.

Bottled water isn't dependent on the entire network not leaking.


Probably I misunderstood you saying that that direction is good, thinking you meant it was a good thing for them to do. Sorry for that. I get your point .

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby Redman » January 14th, 2018, 6:05 pm

There is no shortage of water....it's the transmission network that is the problem....
Our aquifers are in good shape

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby zoom rader » January 14th, 2018, 6:09 pm

Redman wrote:There is no shortage of water....it's the transmission network that is the problem....
Our aquifers are in good shape
That and a lazy work force

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby fatboy slim » January 14th, 2018, 7:31 pm

10 workers to fix one leak. Suck my balls wasa :fist:

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby desifemlove » January 14th, 2018, 7:33 pm

zoom rader wrote:
desifemlove wrote:lol. so coz i don't live in your country, i cannot comment? i comment from my experiences, and yes, wasa has no riht selling sheit.

either it set up a strictly commercial department selling this, like bmobile, or it divest all commercial ventures, and uses the revenues for insfrastructre improvements. i dont' trust WASA under any government to procure, bottle, store, and source bottled water well enough. not when there are already big competitors on the market, from Coke, Blue waters, etc.

look, don't get mad coz i cussed up yuh party/religion. UNC could have still been in power now, if the corruption or perceived corruption was not as high as under PNM. if allyuh complain why UNC has more open baccahanal than PNM, then see the content of the people in yuh party. it's a first step.
You have no experience in Trini. More so you are confuse that UNC is a Hindu party , it's ok you are allowed to be confused as you female

Stick to UKIP

i understand your country better than you do....UNC is hindu parrty. it's open secret/common knowledge it so. you overloook why yuh party have plenty bacchanal in it.

i don't know what UKIP is, but then they're an irrelevance in British politics.

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby brainchild » January 14th, 2018, 9:41 pm

Don't know if this was mentioned earlier but WASA water has the lowest acidity compared to other brands, making it the healthiest water. So while this may not be a GREAT idea, its not that bad.
Trinidadians have to make up their minds, its either we want to see the country move forward or not. If we keep nitpicking at every "BUY LOCAL" idea and finding reasons not to support it then what better can we really expect down the road? Time to grow past these things...btw Colgate- Palmolive produces toilet bowl cleaner also, so why should it matter if bright bowl( Langston Roach) does?

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby desifemlove » January 15th, 2018, 6:36 am

buy local is a fallacy in today's globalised world. you do realise that a small country lacks the resources/economies of scale to produce much locally, ent?

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby Redman » January 15th, 2018, 6:41 am

In this case water is a renewable resource,environmentally friendly, and forex generation is possible.

I still don't like the idea of another state enterprise entering into competition with the private sector.

How is buy local a fallacy?

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Re: WASA eyes commercial venture: Bottled water for all

Postby Gladiator » January 15th, 2018, 6:43 am

Redman wrote:In this case water is a renewable resource,environmentally friendly, and forex generation is possible.

I still don't like the idea of another state enterprise entering into competition with the private sector.
And the bottles?....the environmental concern with bottled water is never the water...smh

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