TURKEY SHOOTS DOWN RUSSIAN JET

[Coppershot]

As far back as 2014 Turkey buying oil from isis
Also Turkey is part of nato...who are "not friendly" with russia
They also trying to become an eu member country for the longest time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

So basically they funding a threat to EU and yet face no sanctions.

Turkey mentioned @1:30 along with other countries


Also @ 4:01

[EmilioA]

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hmmmm any links not from Russia Today ?

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Thanks to M.A.D

Russia, America and NATO can attack eachother and none will respond with any kind of force since responding means nuclear war. Russian however may cut off that gas supply to Turkey come winter which will be riot.

[Coppershot]

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hmmmm any links not from Russia Today ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2964028/oil-drugs-internet-ISIS-funded.html#ixzz3sR73B6oS

TEN WAYS THE ISLAMIC STATE IS MAKING MONEY

1. Sales of electricity and gas to the Syrian government through ISIS-controlled dams and gas fields.

2. Taxes on citizens of the Islamic State

3. Customs revenue on import and export of goods in the caliphate

4. Exporting goods such as fruits, vegetables, grains and fabrics

5. Internet cafes

6. Religious taxes – punishment for smokers, missing prayers and breaking sharia law

7. Confiscating private lands and selling it on public auction

8. Selling crude oil on the black market in Turkey

9. Growing and selling drugs and black market cigarettes and alcohol

10. Looting museums and selling artefacts on the black market

Source: Raqqa Is Being Slaughtered Silently

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/britain-s-secret-ties-to-governments-firms-facilitating-isis-oil-sales-210d21470e65#.nrpemrkd6

Kurds, Turks and blind eyes

One of ISIS’ most significant sources of revenue is oil smuggling. The Islamic State controls approximately 60% of Syria’s oil, and seven major oil-producing assets in Iraq.

Using a carefully cultivated network of intermediaries and ‘middlemen’ in the Kurdish region of Iraq, as well as in Turkey, ISIS has been able to produce a phenomenal 45,000 barrels of oil a day, raking in as much as $3 million a day in cash by selling the oil at well below market prices.

[djaggs]

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hmmmm any links not from Russia Today ?

You prefer western propaganda from BBC or CNN bro ? Those news services never tell the truth, neither does FOX news, MSNBC or CBS.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Who actually tells the truth?

[teems1]

Who actually tells the truth?

No one is 100% impartial, but the least biased are PBS, AlJazeera and BBC

[EmilioA]

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hmmmm any links not from Russia Today ?

You prefer western propaganda from BBC or CNN bro ? Those news services never tell the truth, neither does FOX news, MSNBC or CBS.

Is that an admission that RT is Russian propaganda ?

I'll tell you exactly why I dont trust RT. During the battle of Tripoli in the Libya Revolution, RT first denied that an attack was underway, then said the attack had failed, then denied that Tripoli had fallen. Finally to cap it all off the RT reporters told the Gaddafi soldiers they should arrest the western reporters in Tripoli so they wouldnt contradict RT. Fortunately the soldiers had better things to do do . Like run and hide.

Things like that make me distrust RT.

[DTAC]

You know it's funny people defending Russia here. If all of of a sudden you started seeing Venezuelan fighter jets flying over Port of Spain and San Fernando, how many self same defenders would start to beat up and say, "How they can do that?".

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

You know it's funny people defending Russia here. If all of of a sudden you started seeing Venezuelan fighter jets flying over Port of Spain and San Fernando, how many self same defenders would start to beat up and say, "How they can do that?".

This. They would then hope that the US helped. ED would be waiting on Putin to step in.

[mark2.0]

Oops!

[EmilioA]

Oops!

In Soviet Russia , turkey shoot you !

[EmilioA]

And now NATO says the Turks sent 21 warnings and that the Russians 'disrespected' the boundary.

The alliance holding firm . Putin not going to do one fart.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Obama blamed the victims of the attack as usual. Its Russia's fault its the pilot's fault, not Turkey's fault, they did nothing wrong apparently. Shooting down a Russian jet on the border of nowhere was really necessary as the Turks were so scared of their life.

[antlind]

Obama is a meow. I had so much hopes for him being the first black president and all that. I had hoped that coloured folks in the US would see a better quality of life under his presidency. But look at the US today. White cops gunning down black men like dogs. It's probably worse today than it was before he became president.
And then he goes and vetoes the pipeline from Canada so that he can stake a claim to being the first president to do something for the environment.
Trump for President.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Obama is a meow. I had so much hopes for him being the first black president and all that. I had hoped that coloured folks in the US would see a better quality of life under his presidency. But look at the US today. White cops gunning down black men like dogs. It's probably worse today than it was before he became president.
And then he goes and vetoes the pipeline from Canada so that he can stake a claim to being the first president to do something for the environment.
Trump for President.

^ Yup I can't wait for this arsehole to leave office, thank god you can only serve 2 terms in office over there, I now see why the Americans think that Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. What a disgrace everytime any Islamic country or group does something, he rushes and blame the victims of the attacks. He reminds me of those Saudi judges who blames the woman for being raped saying its their fault for going out in public without 5 male relatives to guard them. The fact that he sides with Turkey of all countries shows where his true allegiance lies. And its really easy to see where Turkey's true allegiance also lies, no wonder they can't to this day Turkey can't join the EU and hopefully it stays that way.

Turkey a country who to this day refuse to apologize or even acknowledge the Armenian genocide which they committed.

[EmilioA]

Obama blamed the victims of the attack as usual. Its Russia's fault its the pilot's fault, not Turkey's fault, they did nothing wrong apparently. Shooting down a Russian jet on the border of nowhere was really necessary as the Turks were so scared of their life.

MURICA!

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

^ And mind you many other countries accidentally invade an airspace eh, but those civilized countries like Britain etc simply sends up some jets to escort the aircraft out of the airspace, you know nah the honorable and civilized thing to do?

Even Russia does not purposely shoot down any aircraft that strays into their airspace, once they mean you no harm why would you kill them in cold blood? You knew very well Russia was carrying out bombings on ISIS who happen to be close to your border. So the aircraft travels at 300 MPH and it for just a few seconds strayed into your shithole border at only 1.6 miles, big whoop dee dooo!!!

I am surprised that Obama didn't blame the victims of the Paris attack either seeing how he loves doing that.

[EmilioA]

^ And mind you many other countries accidentally invade an airspace eh, but those civilized countries like Britain etc simply sends up some jets to escort the aircraft out of the airspace, you know nah the honorable and civilized thing to do?

Even Russia does not purposely shoot down any aircraft that strays into their airspace, once they mean you no harm why would you kill them in cold blood?

I am surprised that Obama didn't blame the victims of the Paris attack either seeing how he loves doing that.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
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^ Yeah but that was not on purpose eh, there is a difference.

Putin didn't order the killing of those innocent people, he would not but I take your point he should have exercised better judgement on who he was arming not like America never armed any rebel right?

There is a big difference to the President of turkey ordering the killing of 2 Russian Pilots in cold blood vs Putin arming people and they ended up killing innocent people of which he didn't intend on. If you can understand the point I am making,.

The Malaysia Airlines Flight getting shot down as an accident. A HUGE difference to a president ordering the murder of 2 pilots in cold blood.

[EmilioA]

^ Yeah but that was not on purpose eh, there is a difference.

Putin didn't order the killing of those innocent people, he would not but I take your point he should have exercised better judgement on who he was arming not like America never armed any rebel right?

What you mean it wasnt on purpose. They purposely fired a missile. They were just wrong in what they were aiming at.

At least the Turks were accurate in shooting down a military plane invading thier airspace. Maybe if they had hit a airliner instead you would have forgiven them .

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

^ Accidents are different from cold blooded murder.

If the Turks shot down any jet by accident yes I would forgive them. I don't see what the problem is here, accidents are unintentional.

[EmilioA]

^ Accidents are different from cold blooded murder.

If the Turks shot down any jet by accident yes I would forgive them. I don't see what is the issue is here, accidents are unintentional.

You must have different meaning of accident .

They intended to fire the missile. They fired the missile. The missile hit the plane. They were wrong about what the plane was. That's not an accident.

That's murder in the second degree.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Lol @ accident. If you don't know what you're shooting at then don't fcuckin shoot.

Likewise if warned to stay out of air space you DON'T have permission to fly thru you don't fly thru it TWICE after having been warned multiple times.

[djaggs]

Who actually tells the truth?

No one is 100% impartial, but the least biased are PBS, AlJazeera and BBC

This BBC ???


“The BBC will remain our secret weapon in furthering British policies.” – Baron Selwyn-Lloyd

Last week I described how the BBC could not be described as an independent broadcaster, given its role in serving the interests of the British government.

I’d like to review some episodes of its murky history and debunk its myth of media objectivity and impartiality to show that, for the BBC, politics has always trumped media ethics – being the arm of the British State.

The British Broadcasting Corporation was first established in 1922 and was initially operating as an English radio station.

Ten years later, British officials realised that this new media outlet could play an instrumental role in serving the British Empire “on which the sun never sets”, holding sway over dominions and colonies all over the world.

Read rest here:

http://www.gdnonline.com/Details/18923/ ... w.facebook

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[djaggs]

While authorities in Ankara have insisted that it shot down the Russian Su-24 bomber after the aircraft entered Turkish airspace, the Russian Defense Ministry has released video proving that the plane never left Syrian airspace.

According to a leaked letter written to the UN Security Council by the Turkish Ambassador, Turkey’s military justified the shooting down of a Russian bomber by claiming that the aircraft had entered Turkish airspace for 17 seconds.



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/2015112 ... z3sTVgBF00

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/24/opini ... index.html

How is this not World War III?

(CNN)Turkish forces shot down a Russian plane near the Turkish-Syrian border on Tuesday, dangerously escalating a conflict that is expanding ever more rapidly and unpredictably.

Take a step back and look at what Syria's war has wrought: Only days after the Paris attacks -- one of the worst terrorist attacks on European soil since World War II -- and with the unofficial capital of the European Union, Brussels, still under a partial lockdown, a member of NATO downed a Russia fighter jet.

If this had occurred during the Cold War, we would be bracing for the possibility of a nuclear war. Thankfully, that conflict is over. Instead of dialing nuclear codes, Russian President Vladimir Putin called for an emergency session of the United Nations Security Council while NATO summoned its own emergency meeting.

Don't misinterpret the moves as evidence of calm; a furious Russia has called Turkey "accomplices of terror" and Putin warned of "significant consequences." And these are just some of the latest developments in the world's most complicated conflict.

Just after the Paris massacres, Pope Francis said the terrorist attacks were part of a piecemeal World War III. But it is the war in Syria itself that is morphing into this century's world war.

The Syrian conflict, which turned deadly in 2011 when President Bashar al-Assad responded to calls for democracy by massacring protesters, has become a global vortex of violence, a black hole that swallows other conflicts. Day after day the number of disputes and rivalries fueling the fighting on that part of the Levant grows, bringing new firepower and more recruits.

It started with pro-democracy activists against Assad's forces; it drew a competing collection of armed opposition groups. It pitted moderates against extremists, and then extremists against ultra-extremists.

It rages with the sectarian fury of Shiites against Sunnis, Arabs against Iranians. Lebanon's Hezbollah, backed by Iran, fights against militias backed by Gulf Arabs. Al Qaeda's al Nusra Front competes with ISIS, the Kurds fight against ISIS and against the Syrian military and Turkey fights against the Kurds, while feebly taking on ISIS and viscerally pushing for Assad's ouster.

And there's much more, with greater geopolitical consequences. There's Russia, the U.S. and the "anti-ISIS coalition," and soon a France-assembled bloc to fight ISIS.

There is both more and less than meets the eye. While Russia and Turkey have boasted of fighting ISIS, the "civilized" world's anointed enemy, the fact is that each has other objectives in mind, which is why Tuesday's shootdown won't be dismissed as an accident in a crowded theater of war.

Russia is in Syria not to fight ISIS but to save the Assad regime as a permanent Russian ally. Turkey has two goals: It wants to clip the wings of the independence-minded Kurds, but it also wants to see Assad fall.

And while Turkey's goals differ from those of its NATO allies -- particularly because Ankara has largely turned a blind eye to ISIS, an enemy of the Kurds -- the NATO bloc mostly agrees on its antipathy towards Assad.

Then there is an even larger geopolitical contest at play. Russia is working to erode America's standing in the Middle East, advancing Putin's agenda of challenging and defying Washington.

While U.S. President Barack Obama was trying to reassure America that its very measured efforts to contain and degrade ISIS were paying off, Putin sent a massive military force to Syria and recast the conflict. Assad may have been about to fall, but Putin, now working on the same side as Iran and Hezbollah, made sure that won't be happening any time soon. And now that ISIS has launched attacks in Western Europe, Assad's hold on power looks more likely to survive.

Confused? This is only scratching the surface. Everyone in this fight has enemies and friends on opposing sides.

This is what a world war looks like: strange bedfellows, conflicting agendas, alliances of convenience. And if you think the core of the fighting, the issues and ideologies at stake, seem muddled, try to find out what World War I was all about. Clarity is not a requirement for a world war.

The Syrian World War already involves scores of countries. Last year, the U.S. assembled a wide-ranging coalition of more than 60 nations. From South Korea to Australia, governments have participated in varying degrees in the campaign to defeat ISIS.

ISIS, meanwhile, has spread its area of operations. It has also added franchises and its followers have attacked targets around the world.

The Syria-based organization not only controls territory in Syria and Iraq; its followers hold sway in Libya, Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, Nigeria and other parts of Africa. And the list of groups pledging allegiance to the self-styled caliphate spans tens of thousands of miles, reaching as far as Afghanistan, Indonesia, Pakistan, Algeria and the Philippines.

Many people of many nationalities have died in Syria and Iraq. But ISIS' own terrorist propaganda has broadcast the murder of Americans, Britons, Egyptians, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese and civilians of other nationalities.

Refugees from Syria have settled as far away as Uruguay, and terrorist attacks from individuals linked to the Syrian fighters have not only killed people in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Turkey, but also in Canada, France, Australia, Nigeria, Denmark and elsewhere. And let's not forget Egypt, where intelligence experts and Russian authorities believe a Russian passenger plane was deliberately downed just a few weeks ago.

Does it sound like a world war?

The term "world war" obviously conjures the two great conflicts of the 20th century. A striking parallel this time is the reluctance of the United States to get involved -- the public wish to stay out, to say, "This is not our fight."

It's impossible to know just how far the analogy will hold. But it's worth remembering that those conflicts only came to an end when the U.S. found it impossible to pretend it was not affected by a brutal conflict raging war thousands of miles from America's shores.

[djaggs]

"French international relations expert Jean-Vincent Brisset and parliamentary deputy Gilbert Collard told Sputnik that the downing of the Russian warplane while fighting ISIL terrorists is an indicator about the priorities of the Turkish government, which has shown little support for fighting terrorism in neighboring Syria."

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151 ... z3sTXDmdJ8

[djaggs]

In considering the terrifying but also sadly predictable news of a Russian fighter jet being downed by two Turkish fighters, let’s start with one almost certain assumption — an assumption that no doubt is also being made by the Russian government: Turkey’s action, using US-supplied F-16 planes, was taken with the full knowledge and advance support of the US. In fact, given Turkey’s vassal status as a member of US-dominated NATO, it could well be that Ankara was put up to this act of brinksmanship by the US.

What makes the downing of the Russian jet, and the reported death of at least one of its two pilots (the other was reportedly captured alive by pro-turkish Turkmen fighters on the Syrian side of the Syria-Turkish border, and will presumably be returned to Russia) so dangerous is that as a member of NATO, supposedly a “mutual assistance” treaty that binds all members to come to the defense of one that is attacked, if Russia were to retaliate by downing a Turkish military plane, NATO countries including the US would be obligated to come to Turkey’s defense.

Russia knows this, and that is why so far the Russian response to the downing has been muted. Had it been a Jordanian, Saudi or Kuwaiti jet that downed the Russian SU-24, Russia’s response would have been instantaneous. The guilty party would have had some of its planes shot down, or perhaps even bombed on the ground. But President Putin so far has limited himself to demanding a meeting, to warning that Russian-Turkish economic relations would be threatened, etc.

This restraint is good, but clearly, Vladimir Putin will not stop there. Even putting aside domestic considerations (imaging the public clamor for a military response here in the US if some small country shot down a US plane!), he will have to respond or his whole project — so far stunningly successful — of restoring Russia to its pre-USSR-collapse position as a global power, would be a failure.

Putin’s options are actually quite broad, though some carry considerably more risk for everyone, not just for Russia and Turkey. He could have his own air

force in Syria, where Russia is legally acting at the request of the Syrian government to defend it against rebel forces of ISIS and Al Nusra, some of which are backed by both Turkey and the US, calmly wait for a Turkish military jet to cross into Syrian airspace. At that point it could be downed by Russian planes or missiles. No doubt Turkey will be extraordinarily careful going forward to have its pilots keep well away from Syrian air space too avoid that, but it could happen. My guess is that Russian fighter pilots and anti-aircraft batteries in Syria already have their marching orders to take that action, which probably would not activate NATO confrontation with Russia and lead to World War III, as long as there was reasonable evidence that Turkey’s plane was in Syrian airspace.

But should no such opportunity present itself, Russia has plenty of other opportunities to counter Turkey. Remember, Russia is also defending Syria’s coastline, and could sink or capture a Turkish ship that entered Syrian waters (or Russian waters in the Black Sea, which borders both countries).

Russia — knowing that this is really not about Turkey, but about push-back by the US against growing Russian power and influence, both globally and in the Middle East region — could also choose to respond in a venue where it has more of an advantage, for example in Ukraine, where it could amp up its support for the breakaway regions of Donetsk and Lugansk, perhaps by downing a Ukrainian military plane, or more broadly, providing air cover to protect those regions. Russia could also, less directly, provide aid to Kurdish rebels in both Syria and in Turkey itself who are fighting against Turkish forces.

I’m sure there are plenty of other options available to Russia also to turn the screws against both Turkey and NATO, without openly pushing buttons that could lead to a direct confrontation with the US and its NATO fiction. Working in Russia’s favor is that the US aside, the European nations of NATO have no desire to be at war with Russia. There are clearly hotheads in the US Congress, the Pentagon, and perhaps even within the neo-con-infested Obama administration, who are pushing for just such a mad showdown. But in Europe, where the actual fighting would mostly occur, and where memories are still strong of the destructive power of war, there is no taste for such insanity. It could, in fact, have been a big error in the long run for the US to push Turkey into such a deadly provocation, if it leads to more anti-American sentiment among the citizens of such key NATO countries as France, Germany, Italy and Britain.

It should be added that Russia and China have become much closer in recent years, economically, politically and militarily. This means there is also the possibility that the two countries could, in concert, step up pressure on the US in the western Pacific, for example by forcing down one of the provocative US flights near China’s new island projects in the South China Sea. That would force an already stretched US military to shift more forces to Asia from Europe and the Middle East.

It is all terribly dangerous and it is hard to predict where things will lead. One thing seems certain, though. This outrageous shootdown of a Russian plane that was in no way posing a threat to Turkey or Turkish forces, will not end here, because Russia and President Putin cannot allow Turkey and NATO to so blatantly act against Russia and its pilots and go unpunished, particularly as it is Russia that is acting legally in Syria, while the US, Turkey and other nations backing rebel forces there are in all acting blatant violation of international law.

Unless saner heads start prevailing in Washington, this could all quickly spiral into the kind of situation in 1914, where a lot of ill-conceived treaties led to a minor incident in the Balkans turning inexorably into World War I.

Dave Lindorff is a founding member of ThisCantBeHappening!, an online newspaper collective, and is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press).

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/24/ ... f-madness/