Would we have been better off with PNM?

[Habit7]

I love how all the PP ministers selling PNM achievements as good and excellent investment potential, yet on a political platform, PNM was horrible and wasted money.

9 years of PNM = 300 billion dollars with 1 year deficit budgeting
3 years of PP = 200 billion dollars with 3 years deficit budgeting with projected 3 more

[firstchoicett]

Just hear the jack left the box.

[rfari]

Every other government (NAR, UNC, & PP) has pulled the economy out of the brink from the PNM pass mis dealings. Its is well known by now that PNM cannot even run a soup kitchen much less for a country.
PNM cannot handle finance and voters by now should know this.
A few Mis guided souls are not seeing how stable this country is.
A vote for PNM is a vote for wasted tax payers money and racialism.
Under PNM there is less productivity with lots of freeness, the population becomes more hostile and angry. Less is achieved under PNM than any other government.
The quality of life has always increased from former non PNM governments, NAR, UNC, PP.
Every time PNM is in power it is always a step backwards.
Lets not forget about crime, crime is runaway horse under PNM
The only people that want a PNM government are those that want the keys to the Vault, a handout, job for the boys and eat an food lowlifes.

[tallman1986]

http://m.facebook.com/cnewslive/posts/10151609142090610

Pressure in d PPP camp dred. Aunty PM better watch herself yes. We have all seen what stress do to Uncle Patos. At least Aunty well acquainted with fire water! She maybe gulping it like cokes! lol

[nareshseep]

I love how all the PP ministers selling PNM achievements as good and excellent investment potential, yet on a political platform, PNM was horrible and wasted money.

9 years of PNM = 300 billion dollars with 1 year deficit budgeting
3 years of PP = 200 billion dollars with 3 years deficit budgeting with projected 3 more

Buh wda.... how long has the PNM ruled T&T?

The People's National Movement is the present-day opposition political party in Trinidad and Tobago. Founded in 1955 by Eric Williams, it won the 1956 General Elections and went on to hold power for an unbroken 30 years. After the death of Williams in 1981 George Chambers led the party. The party was defeated in the 1986 General Elections, losing 33–3 to the National Alliance for Reconstruction. Under the leadership of Patrick Manning, the party returned to power in 1991 following the 1990 attempted coup by the Jamaat al-Muslimeen, but lost power in 1995 to the United National Congress. The PNM lost again to the UNC in the 2000 General Elections, but a split in the UNC forced new elections in 2001. These elections resulted in an 18–18 tie between the PNM and the UNC, and President Arthur N.R. Robinson appointed Manning as Prime Minister. Manning was unable to elect a Speaker of the House of Representatives, but won an outright majority in new elections held in 2002 and again in 2007, before losing power in 2010.

Ans: 43 years

Nah the PNM is a good party ... they put things in place for the betterment of the entire country. As we can see, they never squandered money thats why we have the high standard of living we enjoy today and the lowest crime rate in the western and southern hemisphere. They never fostered the "gimmeh gimmeh" attitude by empowering the people. They also made sure everyone i T&T had a pipe born water supply. They also computerized the public service thats why it is efficient today. We pride ourselves in having the best police service. Corruption in the police service was stamped out years ago by the PNM...

Mother Trinbago owes the PNM a lot for making it the country it is today!

[JUS4SHO]

Pulls up central bank website. Wow.

[OffshoreMarketing]

if we accepted weekly Kidnapping as a part of life we would be better yeh :/

[Habit7]

if we accepted weekly Kidnapping as a part of life we would be better yeh :/

well they fixed that and made it 2-3 a year.

But weekly scandals unravelling under this govt might cause boosts in investigative journalism but for the rest of us it is getting pretty tiring.

I not too crazy about the PNM but we just have to continue the cycle of ejecting and electing govts as we raise the bar and get the best standards. PNM needed to get ejected to come back better, now is PP turn to do the same.

[hydroep]

I cant agree with this. People did not vote for PP nor against the PNM. What was seen was a demonstration against Manning. He thought that he was the father of the nation and treated himself as such, even when everyone was laughing at that suggestion. He was surrounded by a bunch of 'yes' folk who were not telling him to take his head out his anus. As a result, HE lost touch with reality and the people and as a result the election was lost.

Now there is a different leader of the party who has recognized that things has to be done differently so a PR firm was hired to rebrand the party and the leader's image. That is a good start I think so in my opinion, things are different now and hopefully would be different WHEN the PNM wins at the next general elections.

I appreciate your opinion, but I have to disagree with your assessment.

Honestly I laugh at the assertion by PNMites that "PNM loss de election becuase of Manning". The PNM has a General Council (GC) which elects the Political Leader(PL) and to which the PL is accountable. No reasonable person will believe that they didn't know what was going on between 2001-2010. If they thought he was that much of a liability, why didn't they remove him? Perhaps they chose to look the other way because they were receiving political favours? Who knows. But the fact remains they failed in their responsibility to reign in a PL who had run amok. That makes them just as culpable for their failure at the polls in my book.

IMO Mr. Manning was made the sacrificial lamb so that at least one element of the PNM's leadership (the GC) could maintain some semblance of credibility. For if the council members also had to resign, that would have destroyed the party.

What would make this party better is if they got rid of the old delegate system which currently sustains its power structure. Dr. Rowley, on the face of it, appeared to have recognized the defects in the current schema and tried to move the party toward the more democratic 'one man one vote system'. But three years after their defeat, there's still no actionable plan. Some party insiders claim that the process is being stymied by the aforementioned GC whose members see their positions being undermined by this proposal.

In the end, all this talk of re-branding is really the PNM spin doctors way of throwing sugar on sh!t and hoping that the electorate swallows it whole. Because as of this writing nothing substantive about the the party has changed.

And If they win the next election it'll be due to the crap the PP is doing. It definitely will not be because they have anything better to offer.


P.S. Like you, I do not blindly support any party. I simply call things as I see them.

[Crackpot]

So I was pondering. With all that is going on in the world of politics, especially with the PPP, would be have been better of at this stage if TnT re-elected uncle Patrick?

[OffshoreMarketing]

if we accepted weekly Kidnapping as a part of life we would be better yeh :/

well they fixed that and made it 2-3 a year.

But weekly scandals unravelling under this govt might cause boosts in investigative journalism but for the rest of us it is getting pretty tiring.

I not too crazy about the PNM but we just have to continue the cycle of ejecting and electing govts as we raise the bar and get the best standards. PNM needed to get ejected to come back better, now is PP turn to do the same.

2 -3 a year so that makes it all okay then?

[Country_Bookie]

PNM was in power from December 2001 to May 2010. The overall standard of living of Trinis went down over the period, despite the massive windfalls from oil revenue.

Inflation was mainly driven by increase in food prices, since they shut down Caroni, neglected agriculture and made us totally dependent on importing food.


Murders was 151 in 2001, by 2008 it had increased 364% to 550.
Their plan for "development" was building tall buildings in Port of Spain, so as to create the appearance of a developed country. They neglected rural areas, and the urban areas were given CEPEP to keep them dependent on the State.

Comparatively, PP has managed to decrease murders to 383 last year and inflation is trending downward. They have been a disappointment from what we all expected in 2010, but compared to the performance of PNM in these areas, they have been better.

[Habit7]

PNM was in power from December 2001 to May 2010. The overall standard of living of Trinis went down over the period, despite the massive windfalls from oil revenue.

just to be fair

[UML]

for everything the PNM oppose, makes noise about and shoot down, have they ever recommended something an alternative/better/improvement?

just opposing for opposing, halting progress in all aspects of governance for their political benefit.

simple as the hanging bill they opposed it and it was defeated now they braying they dont know why the govt doesnt do something to start back hangings

crime benefits their party!!

[hustla_ambition101]

Habit7, just leave them nah, a fisherman never tell you his fish are rotten

[Country_Bookie]

The debt to GDP increased because we had to borrow money to pay off the Clico policyholders. The guarantee was made by the PNM and honoured by the PP. I don't think one government should be blamed for that; they are jointly to blame.

Total GDP and GDP per capita do not give a true picture of the quality of life and standard of living of the average citizen. It goes up when oil prices increase, see the rise when oil hit $130 per barrel. How did the average citizen didn't benefit from this increase in GDP? Economists use other metrics to measure the quality of life of citizens. I cited 2 that are discussed most in our local context; crime and inflation.

[tourniquet]

next elections, trinituner members should form a party; with the advice and criticism that's given on here, I'm sure you guys won't make the same mistakes as was done by the past and current administration. In fact, I anticipate we'll be spearheaded into reaching 1st world status by 2018
In the meanwhile, we'll just have to endure our revolving door politics, where we all end up voting for the lesser of two evils

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

next elections, trinituner members should form a party; with the advice and criticism that's given on here, I'm sure you guys won't make the same mistakes as was done by the past and current administration. In fact, I anticipate we'll be spearheaded into reaching 1st world status by 2018
In the meanwhile, we'll just have to endure our revolving door politics, where we all end up voting for the lesser of two evils

[Crackpot]

for everything the PNM oppose, makes noise about and shoot down, have they ever recommended something an alternative/better/improvement?

just opposing for opposing, halting progress in all aspects of governance for their political benefit.

simple as the hanging bill they opposed it and it was defeated now they braying they dont know why the govt doesnt do something to start back hangings

crime benefits their party!!

Naughty sheep your party's days are numbered.

The PNM after receiving a sound and deserving lix at the electorate did the honorable thing and voted for the budget in 2010. They also voted for many other bills in the interest of the country, but when section 34 reared its ugly head they said no more. Imagine voting for the antio-gang legislation and then a few days after the government calls a state of emergency and locks up ppl on the strength of what you voted for.

Do some research sheepy and you will see that the year the most bills were passed in parliament was in 2000 when the Pnm was in opposition and voted with the UNC to pass bills beneficial to everyone

However the UNC is NEVER so accommodating in opposition as they never really voted for anything, walked out of parliament collectively and lets not forget the statement "Civil disobedience". Who have eyes to see let them see.

[rfari]

Lee dem. Pp going nice man. Dais the future

[Centric]

Dunno if its true...just heard that Jack Warner resigned.

[Country_Bookie]

Is we dat feel only the two evils are our only choices. We had a chance to choose neither of the two evils in 1981 and 2007 but we felt more comfortable voting for one of the evils.
We like it so.

[zoom rader]

PNM was in power from December 2001 to May 2010. The overall standard of living of Trinis went down over the period, despite the massive windfalls from oil revenue.

Inflation was mainly driven by increase in food prices, since they shut down Caroni, neglected agriculture and made us totally dependent on importing food.


Murders was 151 in 2001, by 2008 it had increased 364% to 550.
Their plan for "development" was building tall buildings in Port of Spain, so as to create the appearance of a developed country. They neglected rural areas, and the urban areas were given CEPEP to keep them dependent on the State.

Comparatively, PP has managed to decrease murders to 383 last year and inflation is trending downward. They have been a disappointment from what we all expected in 2010, but compared to the performance of PNM in these areas, they have been better.

rfari and the PNM sheep dont want to know about these facts dude. rfari jus vex he cant get another HDC house

[~Vēġó~]

fack pnm!!!!!!!!!

[zoom rader]

fack pnm!!!!!!!!!

wait ! truner has non PNM mods?

[ek4ever]

PNM=SHEIT
PP=SHEIT
NJAC=SHEIT
COP=SHEIT
UNC=SHEIT
MSJ=SHEIT
TOP=SHEIT

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[rfari]

Zr, we standing behind PP dan. Dem is d future

[rocknrolla]

nah.. we'd have been on 20% inflation by now. udecott, clico! allyuh memory short boy.

[rocknrolla]

Is we dat feel only the two evils are our only choices. We had a chance to choose neither of the two evils in 1981 and 2007 but we felt more comfortable voting for one of the evils.
We like it so.

with a comment like that it have nothing else i could add to this thread. wish id seen it b4 i made my comment.

[nareshseep]

PNM=SHEIT
PP=SHEIT
NJAC=SHEIT
COP=SHEIT
UNC=SHEIT
MSJ=SHEIT
TOP=SHEIT

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iz bess you run the country