A Solution to the Nizam issue

[bugatti veyron]

So all can see it on this thread. Nizam publicly vented emotions that citizens do privately. We as a people must decide where we want our country to go, and be creative in getting there. In terms of being a developed country, Singapore always comes to mind. In short, their country is half the size of ours, but we buy used cars from them. I didn't mean to digress though.

[eliteauto]

To rest of Clowns that want to know the real reason why Indos cant play football very well.Its baised on the Indo genetics.Indos do not have alot of fast twitch mucle fibers.Fast twitch mucle fiber is for quick burst of speed as needed in football and sprint events.
However indos have moslty slow twitch muscle fibers which make them more suited for endurance type sports Events such as endurance running,road cycling ect

so is only in the bed they have fast twitch muscles?

[rollingstock]

the current Executive of the Service would have applied between 1974 and 1986 give or take, maybe they should do a study on the amt of Indo-Trinis who applied then?

Compare that to the amt that applied between 1999 and 2008, see where they are now (Cpl & Sgt) see how many are currently perusing degrees and intend to stay till retirement age.

Forget that Indo Trinis currently make up 51% of the population, instead determine their % within the Service and make you comparisons there.

Where do we stop? Are the Indo-Trinis who see truth in Nizam statement and agree wholeheartedly with it prepared to accept parity in areas of the Public Service that are currently Indo biased?

Lastly I have never heard a single person ever call a station, report a crime, greeted or otherwise interacted with the Police and seen them as anything other that Police Officers, once you put on that uniform you are nothing less than a member of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and expected to serve all in the course of your duty, there has always been some cliquish behaviour amongst different groups in the Service but that goes out the window when on the beat, people need to be careful of their utterances

From teh other thread.

Nizam really made an arse of himself.

There were always issues wrt promotions in the Police Service, given a lot of officers of indo-trini descent may have been bypassed, be it race or otherwise, officers of afro-trini descent also felt that their progress was stifled.
The major issue was the criteria for promotion and the ease at which a supervisor may give an unfavorable performance report with no redress for the reported officer. And the awarding of points for determination before the PAB (Promotion Advisory Board).
Actual work performance, case management, fitness, punctuality, and core values and responsibilities for the proposed rank were seconded to education, this lead to officer who had very little policing knowledge or hands on experience and whom were absent for long periods on study leave whilst others toiled being promoted because they had acquired an obscure degree that had no bearing to policing, real eg. theology.
These issues should have been dealt with expeditiously and there would have been a better motivated Police Service.

And persons who felt that Nizam was doing Indo-trini police officers a favour by issuing that statement are clearly unaware of teh present make up of the service. At present there are a majority Afro-trini Executive, but at this moment there are middle managers, Inspectors, Assistant Superintendents, and Superintendents that are sitting the promotion exam and will soon be before the PAB (Promotion Advisory Board) and a substantial amount are made up of Indo-trinis. When the present executive reach retirement age which is soon and these officers are promoted the stigma that they were promoted because of race will be hanging over their heads.

[zoom rader]

the current Executive of the Service would have applied between 1974 and 1986 give or take, maybe they should do a study on the amt of Indo-Trinis who applied then?

Compare that to the amt that applied between 1999 and 2008, see where they are now (Cpl & Sgt) see how many are currently perusing degrees and intend to stay till retirement age.

Forget that Indo Trinis currently make up 51% of the population, instead determine their % within the Service and make you comparisons there.

Where do we stop? Are the Indo-Trinis who see truth in Nizam statement and agree wholeheartedly with it prepared to accept parity in areas of the Public Service that are currently Indo biased?

Lastly I have never heard a single person ever call a station, report a crime, greeted or otherwise interacted with the Police and seen them as anything other that Police Officers, once you put on that uniform you are nothing less than a member of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and expected to serve all in the course of your duty, there has always been some cliquish behaviour amongst different groups in the Service but that goes out the window when on the beat, people need to be careful of their utterances

This is what I was asking where is the study, but u have clowns here going on about indos on the National football team.
There also has tobe a study as to why Indos leave the force .

[eliteauto]

yup I saw your very brilliant response rollingstock, this can cause distrust/ accusations of nepotism amongst the ranks but ppl here eh care about that, I was in PTC then GEB and IATF earlier today you should hear the discussions this is provoking

[eliteauto]

This is what I was asking where is the study, but u have clowns here going on about indos on the National football team.
There also has tobe a study as to why Indos leave the force .

Some leave out of frustration, this is caused by many reasons, the lack of opportunity (promotion), the lack of resources, poor working conditions etc

Some use the Service as a stepping stone, they come in, finance their studies and leave to persue better options, some go into business, some inherit family responsibilities etc

Understand the Service is a pyramid, you have a base of constables corporals, sergeants, Inspectors, ASP, Supt,Sen Supt,ACP,DCP,COP, in each successive tier there are significantly less posts so as stratification occurs coupled with attrition through retirement, resignation, secondment etc and factoring the racil composition of the service it becomes more of a numbers game than a race one, now I'm not saying racism cannot happen by I do not believe there is/was a deliberate established policy of discrimination

The thing is the above can and does apply to all races in the Service, the Indo Police I know who have left have never stated racism as a reason

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

This is what I was asking where is the study, but u have clowns here going on about indos on the National football team.

well you are claiming there is an important issue with why there are not as many Indo Trinis in the police force and "the clowns" are showing you how trivial the matter is.

There also has tobe a study as to why Indos leave the force .

clearly not all do, what is your point then?

I personally find that all these people who want to see more indian this and an more indian that etc etc should get a one way ticket to India! I willing to contribute towards buying the tickets, but it must be one-way!

We are all Trinidadians

[rollingstock]

yup I saw your very brilliant response rollingstock, this can cause distrust/ accusations of nepotism amongst the ranks but ppl here eh care about that, I was in PTC then GEB and IATF earlier today you should hear the discussions this is provoking

I ain't brilliant

But what you say is true, at present all the indo-trini officers i speak to share my point of view, Nizam is talking sheit, and this would only cause a rift where none exists at present.

From my own observations in the past a lot of indo-trini police officers use the service as a stepping stone, or are not dependent on the service for their livelihood and as a result don't take it seriously, many have their own businesses, land that they use for agriculture or animal rearing, drive taxi, yes taxi etc. What i've realised is that this is teh opposite with afro-trini officers who depend on teh service and try their best to get forward. But this is changing and soon their will be an influx of senior indo-trini in the executive due to a change in personal priorities. Imagine the hard work that they put in that would be tarnished by one stupid statement.


Nizam in basing his statement on the letter from Ramesar, but that letter was written to highlight the presence of an ex DCP who has since retired on the PAB, he was openly biased and stated his opinions as he felt.

[zoom rader]

This is what I was asking where is the study, but u have clowns here going on about indos on the National football team.

well you are claiming there is an important issue with why there are not as many Indo Trinis in the police force and "the clowns" are showing you how trivial the matter is.

There also has tobe a study as to why Indos leave the force .

clearly not all do, what is your point then?

I personally find that all these people who want to see more indian this and an more indian that etc etc should get a one way ticket to India! I willing to contribute towards buying the tickets, but it must be one-way!

We are all Trinidadians

Dude I never claimed. I only asked as to why the reason they leave the force.

[trini mk5]

Hence!

This issue is just to play on the small minded people in the country. It has no relevence.

[Morpheus]

This is what I was asking where is the study, but u have clowns here going on about indos on the National football team.

well you are claiming there is an important issue with why there are not as many Indo Trinis in the police force and "the clowns" are showing you how trivial the matter is.

There also has tobe a study as to why Indos leave the force .

clearly not all do, what is your point then?

I personally find that all these people who want to see more indian this and an more indian that etc etc should get a one way ticket to India! I willing to contribute towards buying the tickets, but it must be one-way!

We are all Trinidadians

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

This is what I was asking where is the study, but u have clowns here going on about indos on the National football team.

well you are claiming there is an important issue with why there are not as many Indo Trinis in the police force and "the clowns" are showing you how trivial the matter is.

There also has tobe a study as to why Indos leave the force .

clearly not all do, what is your point then?

I personally find that all these people who want to see more indian this and an more indian that etc etc should get a one way ticket to India! I willing to contribute towards buying the tickets, but it must be one-way!

We are all Trinidadians

Dude I never claimed. I only asked as to why the reason they leave the force.

please don't play intellectual and subjective here now

you are the same person who spews this kind of bigotry on the forum:

The army and police forces are mostly PNM supporters and they will do just as their cult tells them to do. This country has tobe very carefull of the the army and police, because in Fiji an INDIAN decent goverment was upstaged by the native Fiji army and police forces.

you clearly have racial issues.

[trini mk5]

bwuhahahaha....a man get make to be a racist

hardluck there zoom rader but you racist

[Sierra-117]

although i agree with what nizam said, i disagree in the manner in which he said it. The police service promotes on years service with qualification and not so much on merit. The current executive of the police service are afro trinis because they have the stipulated years/experience. Hence to say, when the current crop joined the police however umteen years ago, it was mostly afro-trinis that enlisted. So the domination of a certain ethnic race is simply because they have the necessary years service. Nizam should do the morally and ethically right thing and resign but we all know that he is not a morally and ethically just person because of the manner in which he made his statement.

point to note.
Why is it that he mentioned how many afro trinis that were in the executive of the TTPS but he refused to say why it was so. And it was clear in the report that was submitted by Gloria Edwards-Joseph, the reason why they currently dominated the executive of the TTPS...............

[MonsterPower]

[Sierra-117]

i think zoom rader wont be replying on this thread for a while after getting make out.....especially after the vid^^^

[Morpheus]

1000pts to Duane !!!

[Monk BANzai]

but d commissioners don't hve a problem with 'niz'...is d police
.
if u remove everybody dem corruption boss hve probs with...what do u hve ???

FREE REIGN LIKE PNM CAUSED...................WHICH IS WHY WE IN THIS DEEP SHEIT NOW

DOOD!!



do like the chicken....

[Monk BANzai]

This is what I was asking where is the study, but u have clowns here going on about indos on the National football team.

well you are claiming there is an important issue with why there are not as many Indo Trinis in the police force and "the clowns" are showing you how trivial the matter is.

There also has tobe a study as to why Indos leave the force .

clearly not all do, what is your point then?

I personally find that all these people who want to see more indian this and an more indian that etc etc should get a one way ticket to India! I willing to contribute towards buying the tickets, but it must be one-way!

We are all Trinidadians

Dude I never claimed. I only asked as to why the reason they leave the force.

please don't play intellectual and subjective here now

you are the same person who spews this kind of bigotry on the forum:

The army and police forces are mostly PNM supporters and they will do just as their cult tells them to do. This country has tobe very carefull of the the army and police, because in Fiji an INDIAN decent goverment was upstaged by the native Fiji army and police forces.

you clearly have racial issues.

Nizaminate!!!

[S_2NR]

This is what I was asking where is the study, but u have clowns here going on about indos on the National football team.

well you are claiming there is an important issue with why there are not as many Indo Trinis in the police force and "the clowns" are showing you how trivial the matter is.

There also has tobe a study as to why Indos leave the force .

clearly not all do, what is your point then?

I personally find that all these people who want to see more indian this and an more indian that etc etc should get a one way ticket to India! I willing to contribute towards buying the tickets, but it must be one-way!

We are all Trinidadians

Dude I never claimed. I only asked as to why the reason they leave the force.

please don't play intellectual and subjective here now

you are the same person who spews this kind of bigotry on the forum:

The army and police forces are mostly PNM supporters and they will do just as their cult tells them to do. This country has tobe very carefull of the the army and police, because in Fiji an INDIAN decent goverment was upstaged by the native Fiji army and police forces.

you clearly have racial issues.

hahahhahahha...hard luck!

[RBphoto]

I still don't see the big problem with what the man said. Stupid reporting has blown this issue out of proportion, and statements were not taken in context. Discussing race is different from being racial.

[zoom rader]

This is what I was asking where is the study, but u have clowns here going on about indos on the National football team.

well you are claiming there is an important issue with why there are not as many Indo Trinis in the police force and "the clowns" are showing you how trivial the matter is.

There also has tobe a study as to why Indos leave the force .

clearly not all do, what is your point then?

I personally find that all these people who want to see more indian this and an more indian that etc etc should get a one way ticket to India! I willing to contribute towards buying the tickets, but it must be one-way!

We are all Trinidadians

Dude I never claimed. I only asked as to why the reason they leave the force.

please don't play intellectual and subjective here now

you are the same person who spews this kind of bigotry on the forum:

The army and police forces are mostly PNM supporters and they will do just as their cult tells them to do. This country has tobe very carefull of the the army and police, because in Fiji an INDIAN decent goverment was upstaged by the native Fiji army and police forces.

you clearly have racial issues.

Bigorty? racial issuse?
I stated facts and you are saying that i am racist. IS
true that the forces are PNM supporters?
Is is true that the Fiji army upstaged the then Fiji Indo goverment?
My points are facts and I am deemed racist.

[zoom rader]

Maybe you all should read some facts in Selwin Rayn report that he did in 1992.It stated that an equal number of Indo and afro officers worte the exams .In these exams indos got the higger marks and fewer afros passed.However by the time the interviews process took place the indos where weeded out and afro got the jobs. You all are masking the facts and calling people racist. This is a report that was done by the then PNM goverment for $500000 and released years later.

[trini mk5]

Well fellars Nizam mohammed is indeed a RACIST
This is based on a letter that dale and tony read out this morning.
The letter was written by Nizam Mohaamed on january 20th 2011, in response to selwyn cudjoe's editorial titled ":mother trinidad"
The letter started off by saying dr.eric williams and other africans like him(selwyn cudjoe) wanted to get rid of all indians in trinidad, so they started to import africans for all the islands and bring them to trinidad,
It also goes on to say that calypso and steel pan is a half baked joke that africans was forcing down the indian ppl throat. And that if it wasn't for indian ppl renting out there houses to africans there would be more of them on the street etc etc
It has alot more to it. IF ANYONE CAN FIND THE ORIGINAL COPY THAT WILL BE GREAT.
The letter was very distasteful and was written with little tolerance for a person of a different race than him.
PPL can defend how much they want, the man is a racist and as such should not sit at the head of an independent committee or anywhere where he has to serve the public.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Bigorty? racial issuse?
I stated facts and you are saying that i am racist. IS
true that the forces are PNM supporters?
Is is true that the Fiji army upstaged the then Fiji Indo goverment?
My points are facts and I am deemed racist.

what you failed to realise is that I am not arguing the facts - I am showing you that you are making racist statements

so what if they are PNM supporters or that the police over threw the govt? revolutions are happening all over the world.

You are the one lamenting that PNM is not of your kind of people and it was an INDO government that got overthrown

what I am showing you is that all your points revolve around race and an obvious fear you seem to have.

[5onDfloor]

Maybe you all should read some facts in Selwin Rayn report that he did in 1992.It stated that an equal number of Indo and afro officers worte the exams .In these exams indos got the higger marks and fewer afros passed.However by the time the interviews process took place the indos where weeded out and afro got the jobs. You all are masking the facts and calling people racist. This is a report that was done by the then PNM goverment for $500000 and released years later.

Zoomracist........clearly your fast twitch muscles arent working in this thread

[16 cycles]

Well fellars Nizam mohammed is indeed a RACIST
This is based on a letter that dale and tony read out this morning.
The letter was written by Nizam Mohaamed on january 20th 2011, in response to selwyn cudjoe's editorial titled ":mother trinidad"
The letter started off by saying dr.eric williams and other africans like him(selwyn cudjoe) wanted to get rid of all indians in trinidad, so they started to import africans for all the islands and bring them to trinidad,
It also goes on to say that calypso and steel pan is a half baked joke that africans was forcing down the indian ppl throat. And that if it wasn't for indian ppl renting out there houses to africans there would be more of them on the street etc etc
It has alot more to it. IF ANYONE CAN FIND THE ORIGINAL COPY THAT WILL BE GREAT.
The letter was very distasteful and was written with little tolerance for a person of a different race than him.
PPL can defend how much they want, the man is a racist and as such should not sit at the head of an independent committee or anywhere where he has to serve the public.

agreed at find the original copy and confirm source is NM....

[K74T]

Nizam stole my bike

[zoom rader]

Bigorty? racial issuse?
I stated facts and you are saying that i am racist. IS
true that the forces are PNM supporters?
Is is true that the Fiji army upstaged the then Fiji Indo goverment?
My points are facts and I am deemed racist.

what you failed to realise is that I am not arguing the facts - I am showing you that you are making racist statements

so what if they are PNM supporters or that the police over threw the govt? revolutions are happening all over the world.

You are the one lamenting that PNM is not of your kind of people and it was an INDO government that got overthrown

what I am showing you is that all your points revolve around race and an obvious fear you seem to have.

You are mixing up words here. and no I dont have a fear of race but fear in HIM.

[zoom rader]

Maybe you all should read some facts in Selwin Rayn report that he did in 1992.It stated that an equal number of Indo and afro officers worte the exams .In these exams indos got the higger marks and fewer afros passed.However by the time the interviews process took place the indos where weeded out and afro got the jobs. You all are masking the facts and calling people racist. This is a report that was done by the then PNM goverment for $500000 and released years later.

Zoomracist........clearly your fast twitch muscles arent working in this thread

There must always be a clown. Did you read the report? It was not written by me