The Fazeer Mohammed/First Up issue...

[UML]

really unfortunate....because he tried to be "unbiased" on the show.

but then again if muslims (not all..the few fanatics) were controlled by reality and could perform.......and not their beliefs...then we wudnt have terrorism and 9/11....

Every single religion across the globe has commited acts of terrorism in the name of religion. From Hindus to Christians. Don't get it twisted!

exactly...so RELIGION controls your behaviour and beliefs!!

[SUPAstarr]

Actually way back in the day Christians called Muslims infidels, slaughtered a whole bunch of them too

[trinifille]

I don't know why people seem surprised by Rambachan's behaviour on the programme because that is how he speaks to people at the Ministry when he gets ready..

He already put a set of the contract staff there on month to month contract and made them reapply for their position after they worked for 2-3 yrs there during summit and chogm

Even better how could someone antagonise another person for his religous views and be a minister of foreign affairs, where is the diplomacy and tact? o right he has none?
The national anthem says "here every creed and race find an equal place" clearly not happening!!!!

He claims to be so religous but what a hypocrite when you can't respect another person's religion.. Yes we ARE rising to a whole new level of stupidity!!

[UML]

ah really hear rambachan is a pig though....das why i dont like him....as was stated in previous posts.

[bushwakka]

Fazeer and all other muslims who make similar statements abt a woman leading the country are in contradiction of themselves. However, that is not reason alone to fire him.....he's an ignoramus at times yes....but the fact of the matter is that its a State run journalism company and therefore, it is not the place for fearless journalism.....he wud do better at express house

He never said ANYTHING negative about Kamla running the country.

Re-READ and try again!

you try again....u cannot religiously have a problem with a woman running the country and then say you don't have a problem HE NEVER SAID THAT...so what are you talking about?

also, to expound on this, it is common knowledge that there is no separation between State and Religion in Islam.....religion supersedes all! This is NOT a muslim state, thus he has to make compromises as he said " I don't have a problem with her running the country, but religiously I have a problem with a woman being a leader" MEANING in a religious aspect he cannot see a woman as being the leader. How hard is that to understand?


and therefore if Fazeer has a 'religious' problem with Kamla being a woman running the country....Jed read what the man said and try again. IN RELIGION he has a problem...in running the country he DOES NOT have a problem.

FACEPALM...you people jed weeeeyyy

Rambachan: Philosophically, do you subscribe to women in leadership positions?”
Mohammed: “Well religiously no.”
Rambachan: “Religiously no?”
........
Rambachan: “So that if you’d have a Prime Minister Kamla Persad–Bissessar as the prime minister of the country, would you subscribe to a woman being the prime minister of this country?”
Mohammed: “I have no problem with that.”

DO YOU SEE IT RASC?????
....
Mohammed: “Religiously no but there is a difference between religion and country
this statement is in direct contravention of the principle of Islam which denotes that there is no difference between State and Religion.....i.e. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RELIGION AND COUNTRY FOR A DEVOUT MUSLIM

[RASC]

Fazeer and all other muslims who make similar statements abt a woman leading the country are in contradiction of themselves. However, that is not reason alone to fire him.....he's an ignoramus at times yes....but the fact of the matter is that its a State run journalism company and therefore, it is not the place for fearless journalism.....he wud do better at express house

He never said ANYTHING negative about Kamla running the country.

Re-READ and try again!

you try again....u cannot religiously have a problem with a woman running the country and then say you don't have a problem HE NEVER SAID THAT...so what are you talking about?

also, to expound on this, it is common knowledge that there is no separation between State and Religion in Islam.....religion supersedes all! This is NOT a muslim state, thus he has to make compromises as he said " I don't have a problem with her running the country, but religiously I have a problem with a woman being a leader" MEANING in a religious aspect he cannot see a woman as being the leader. How hard is that to understand?


and therefore if Fazeer has a 'religious' problem with Kamla being a woman running the country....Jed read what the man said and try again. IN RELIGION he has a problem...in running the country he DOES NOT have a problem.

FACEPALM...you people jed weeeeyyy

Rambachan: Philosophically, do you subscribe to women in leadership positions?”
Mohammed: “Well religiously no.”
Rambachan: “Religiously no?”
........
Rambachan: “So that if you’d have a Prime Minister Kamla Persad–Bissessar as the prime minister of the country, would you subscribe to a woman being the prime minister of this country?”
Mohammed: “I have no problem with that.”

DO YOU SEE IT RASC?????
....
Mohammed: “Religiously no but there is a difference between religion and country
this statement is in direct contravention of the principle of Islam which denotes that there is no difference between State and Religion.....i.e. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RELIGION AND COUNTRY FOR A DEVOUT MUSLIM

Muslims living in the western world HAVE to compromise with this regard. This is NOT Saudi Arabia! That's the whole point of the statement made by FM.

Religiously? NO
For Country-Not a problem? Obviously because he understands where he is living, and the culture upon which he resides.

[zoom rader]

Another Dumb PNM thread hoping to stir up support against the PP. You all forgot that Pakistan is a muslim state that HAD a Female prime Minster. There is no point to this thread

[PariaMan]

Umbala has very loose lips and after repeatedly being suspended was fired. Right now Dale and Tony cuts of people who even mentions his name!.
Fazeer is also free with his mouth. Can we equate the two situations? I for one had stopped listening to Fazeer! Also MATT is asking questions about Fazeer being fired , did they ask questions about Umbala?

[toyolink]

Unfortunately,this is probably another example in our history of an unwillingness to accept opposition to our view.Ironically we see the same attitude demonstrated on many tuner threads with people asking for bans and at times dispensing severe admonishments.If given the power we might well fire,execute or maybe exile others who don't agree with us.
Actually i am convinced that over the next two years or so a lot more clearing out of personnel would take place and this expectation is informed by historic evidence which is undisputable.
How do we as a society change this behaviour would require a major shift in our concussness (hope i got the spelling right) and intellectual capacity and these changes really take time.
The implications for us all who are commited to developing or nation is to continue to hold ourselves to the highest levels of fairness whilst taking a stand against injustice and nepotism.On this journey there will be costs.

[bushwakka]

Another Dumb PNM thread hoping to stir up support against the PP. You all forgot that Pakistan is a muslim state that HAD a Female prime Minster. There is no point to this thread

pakistan does not follow Qu'ranic law....some laws it follows yes....but far from all....
this is the only reason pakistan cud have had a female PM

[Conrad]

is this a muslim state?...well then he shud work for a muslim station!!!...who have the save beliefs and it is acceptable.

you dont disrespect the PM especially on national tv...she still is the PM!!

Mohammed added the programme’s popularity had grown over the years because he and Ventour were seen as “direct, unbiased, straightforward and respected.”

how can he say it unbiased when he say he cannot support her religiously...that is religious bias?!!

UDFR Fazeer!!

What?

[Country_Bookie]

Mohammed: "Religiously no, but there is a difference between religion and country. I don't know if you are trying to paint me in a corner as far as my religious philosophy but the point is".

Rambachan: "Going back to the ATM".

Mohammed: "Dr Rambachan you are trying to evade the point. You are trying to draw in religious views".

Rambachan: "She never said that".

Mohammed: "Wait, let me finish, you are trying to draw in my religious philosophy on women in leadership with the leadership of the country which is very different and I am trying to deal with the fundamental issue of the comments in relation to the situation in those islands and that's why I draw the comments of being diplomatic. I have no problem with the issue of your questioning, but I don't see the connection, if it is my religious philosophy says a woman should not be in religious leadership that it automatically presumes that I am against a woman in leadership of any country".

Seems like the Guardian left out that part of the transcript. Mohammed says that his religious philosophy is that a woman should not be in a position of religious leadership, he has no problem with a woman being in a position of Leadership of the country. This position is similar to the position of the Roman Catholic church, where women are not placed in positions of leadership.

Rambachan is a skunt. Never heard him question Shamoon Mohammed on his religious views in the 10 years they co-hosted 106.1’s Morning Panchayat. But becos Fazeer asking him tough questions he start to attack him. Looks like he subscribes to Panday’s “Do them before they do us” philosophy when it comes to media relations.

[RASC]

is this a muslim state?...well then he shud work for a muslim station!!!...who have the save beliefs and it is acceptable.

you dont disrespect the PM especially on national tv...she still is the PM!!

Mohammed added the programme’s popularity had grown over the years because he and Ventour were seen as “direct, unbiased, straightforward and respected.”

how can he say it unbiased when he say he cannot support her religiously...that is religious bias?!!

UDFR Fazeer!!

What?

CLASSIC yes///

[16 cycles]

radio talk shows are the wuss....

the announcers antagonize one way or the other and seldom bring any light to the matter at hand....

same callers who call in....

what are the qualifications to be a radio host now?

[AllTrac]

Like Silver Fox know de man check 1:16

[M_2NR]

why we have two threads on this?

Fazeer and all other muslims who make similar statements abt a woman leading the country are in contradiction of themselves. However, that is not reason alone to fire him.....he's an ignoramus at times yes....but the fact of the matter is that its a State run journalism company and therefore, it is not the place for fearless journalism.....he wud do better at express house

He never said ANYTHING negative about Kamla running the country.

Re-READ and try again!

you try again....u cannot religiously have a problem with a woman running the country and then say you don't have a problem HE NEVER SAID THAT...so what are you talking about?

also, to expound on this, it is common knowledge that there is no separation between State and Religion in Islam.....religion supersedes all! This is NOT a muslim state, thus he has to make compromises as he said " I don't have a problem with her running the country, but religiously I have a problem with a woman being a leader" MEANING in a religious aspect he cannot see a woman as being the leader. How hard is that to understand?


and therefore if Fazeer has a 'religious' problem with Kamla being a woman running the country....Jed read what the man said and try again. IN RELIGION he has a problem...in running the country he DOES NOT have a problem.

FACEPALM...you people jed weeeeyyy

RASC... well done bai!

Fazeer said it meaning he has no problem with her being a PM. /fin

[DFC]

Where Pioneer?
I would like to hear His opinion on Suruj.

[AllTrac]

Where Pioneer?
I would like to hear His opinion on Suruj.

1MUFC

[drunkenscorpion]

As a reporter, he is being paid to remain unbiased and report the facts, the views expressed by Fazeer clearly was not the views of CNMG, as it was his personal philosophy to which it was atoned. He has all right to his beliefs and express them whenever he feels, but not on air on a job he is being paid to remain unbiased for. He should've stated that he was not at liberty to answer that question on air.

Personally, I like his style of call it as it is, he gives some good analytics to areas of question. Too bad this had to happen though.

[hottgirl]

I don't know why people seem surprised by Rambachan's behaviour on the programme because that is how he speaks to people at the Ministry when he gets ready..

He already put a set of the contract staff there on month to month contract and made them reapply for their position after they worked for 2-3 yrs there during summit and chogm

Actually that is what is happening in all the Ministries wrt staff whose contracts have come to an end.

[Strauss]

Sad to see this happen to Mohammed as he did good work.

But he should have kept his mouth shut and not make sexist remarks about our first female prime minister. That was crossing the line

[M_2NR]

^Strauss, where did he make remarks about the PM?

[Humes]

sexist remarks about our first female prime minister.

What sexist remarks did he make about the PM?

[Strauss]

inferred.

[Strauss]

talk bout NOT reading de interview

It's not often I put my foot in my mouth.
Let me check it again and will apologize if I need to.

Give a brother a break.

[Humes]

Inferred from what, Strauss?

The man said multiple times that he has no problem with either our specific PM or any woman in a position of national, secular leadership. He made the distinction explicitly during the interview, and even the interviewee acknowledged it directly.

So how exactly did you infer that?

[Strauss]

Basically FM said he has a problem with women leading in religion - that's sexist. I don't care what your religion teaches you - the rest of the world says it sexist. Even the Roman Catholic Church had to give in.

Now he has no problem with women being political leaders. But that's just bullsh!t. How can you be say women are okay for some things but not for others? If I were a female I would feel very offended by it. It's just too sexist in this day and age where women should have equal opportunities as men and not "just good for some things". The double tongue is insulting the our prime minister... "hey you're good enough to be Prime Minister, but being a women means you don't have the same rights as a man".

He should have kept his mouth shut. He's a good journalist but c'mon... leave that caveman thinking for when you get home.

[M_2NR]

Sigh... *takes backbench on this one*

[Strauss]

Now while he might not have meant exactly how it came out, that's how I interpreted it.

He has all good intentions, just needed to not fall into Ramble-chan's trap

[Humes]

Basically FM said he has a problem with women leading in religion - that's sexist.

It most definitely is.

But how does that translate to him making, according to you, "sexist remarks about our first female prime minister"?

You're stretching. Far.