Petrotrin refinery shut down

[Redman]

Well if the UNC say they will bust the deal-what do you expect?

What is their plan for the refinery?

[rspann]

What is the haste in signing off on the deal just weeks from the election . How does it look ? Is it the ethical thing to do ?

[Redman]

Well its concluding a process that started when???

The agreement should be allowed to be concluded, the UNC has created the angst by stating their intention.
UNC say they killing the deal...WHY?????

Beyond the refinery....
Is it ethical to have a deal with the GORTT killed 2 years into it because the party changes????
What is to happen with other deals/agreements/contracts that are semi completed at an election ?
What precedent does this set???
Will the UNC honor any other agreement in place or they just killing the refinery?

[daxt0r]

why they killing the deal? hmm? ah wonder if it could be because the same incompetent OWTU who overstaffed the refinery an refused to take pay cuts and constantly holding the whole country to ransom for instead increased cannot be trusted with the infrastructure they couldn't run in the first place?
So by that stance PNM should have completed both hospitals and not wait 5 years to do so?
dey eh paying yuh enuff dese days bro yuh weak an yuh lean showin bad bad, go chk bak d funds mighta reach rofl

[sMASH]

Well if the UNC say they will bust the deal-what do you expect?

What is their plan for the refinery?

if kamla does force rowly hand so much, might as well make she official. stop keeping she the backseat prime minister.

[wing]

why they killing the deal? hmm? ah wonder if it could be because the same incompetent OWTU who overstaffed the refinery an refused to take pay cuts and constantly holding the whole country to ransom for instead increased cannot be trusted with the infrastructure they couldn't run in the first place?
So by that stance PNM should have completed both hospitals and not wait 5 years to do so?
dey eh paying yuh enuff dese days bro yuh weak an yuh lean showin bad bad, go chk bak d funds mighta reach rofl

The owtu didn't hire anyone to work for Petrotrin. The OWTU are the owners of the company that has investors and a management team which are looking to buy the Refinery. The OWTU does not have 700m USD to buy anything. It's the investors who will be calling the shots because it's their money. It is likely that the Refinery will be run more effeciently than before plus the OWTU will not be in a position to hold itself to ransom. The UNC is seeking to restart the Refinery under the previous state ownership model. One can speculate who will be selected to work there in such a scenario.

[The_Honourable]

If the deal is about to be signed, it needs to be made public as the refinery is a state asset. The investors that backing Patriotic/OWTU needs to be fully disclosed. Right now the rumor is some subsidiary directly or indirectly linked to the Maduro regime. It cannot be held in secrecy for persons to then fight up filing an FOIA request to get a copy of the contract.

[Redman]

I agree...sunlight is the best medicine.

[wing]

If the deal is about to be signed, it needs to be made public as the refinery is a state asset. The investors that backing Patriotic/OWTU needs to be fully disclosed. Right now the rumor is some subsidiary directly or indirectly linked to the Maduro regime. It cannot be held in secrecy for persons to then fight up filing an FOIA request to get a copy of the contract.

I understand that there are non disclosure agreements which are in place until the deal is finalized. However, I agree that until the investors and management company are revealed, there will be concerns about the ability of the new entity to carry out it's objectives within the time promised.

[daxt0r]

why they killing the deal? hmm? ah wonder if it could be because the same incompetent OWTU who overstaffed the refinery an refused to take pay cuts and constantly holding the whole country to ransom for instead increased cannot be trusted with the infrastructure they couldn't run in the first place?
So by that stance PNM should have completed both hospitals and not wait 5 years to do so?
dey eh paying yuh enuff dese days bro yuh weak an yuh lean showin bad bad, go chk bak d funds mighta reach rofl

The owtu didn't hire anyone to work for Petrotrin. The OWTU are the owners of the company that has investors and a management team which are looking to buy the Refinery. The OWTU does not have 700m USD to buy anything. It's the investors who will be calling the shots because it's their money. It is likely that the Refinery will be run more effeciently than before plus the OWTU will not be in a position to hold itself to ransom. The UNC is seeking to restart the Refinery under the previous state ownership model. One can speculate who will be selected to work there in such a scenario.

OWTU/PNM and their leadership and the workplace ethic they fostered is failure, they lazy just like the 10 days worker, and always want more money to do even less work. Me eh care about no UNC/PNM chupidness as i don't an never will vote, wa ah care about is d man da say he is PM who lie to d whole population an say petrotrin ent going an close down an did jus that and ancel an buddies jus say nothin an let everyone lost they wuk because the knew the underhanded deal to secure the refinery/elections was in the pipes. These are the ppl the country workers are to trust with the refinery/government.
If it do get restarted regardless of party i hope is only 500 chinee and 250 vene get contract employment to run the whole thing efficiently as that lazy OWTU/PNM mentality impossible to eradicate.

[Gladiator]

OWTU/PNM is really a deadly combination yes... One is wasteful as fork and the other lazy for days. But give them a billion dollar asset and let's see what they do with it...

why they killing the deal? hmm? ah wonder if it could be because the same incompetent OWTU who overstaffed the refinery an refused to take pay cuts and constantly holding the whole country to ransom for instead increased cannot be trusted with the infrastructure they couldn't run in the first place?
So by that stance PNM should have completed both hospitals and not wait 5 years to do so?
dey eh paying yuh enuff dese days bro yuh weak an yuh lean showin bad bad, go chk bak d funds mighta reach rofl

The owtu didn't hire anyone to work for Petrotrin. The OWTU are the owners of the company that has investors and a management team which are looking to buy the Refinery. The OWTU does not have 700m USD to buy anything. It's the investors who will be calling the shots because it's their money. It is likely that the Refinery will be run more effeciently than before plus the OWTU will not be in a position to hold itself to ransom. The UNC is seeking to restart the Refinery under the previous state ownership model. One can speculate who will be selected to work there in such a scenario.

OWTU/PNM and their leadership and the workplace ethic they fostered is failure, they lazy just like the 10 days worker, and always want more money to do even less work. Me eh care about no UNC/PNM chupidness as i don't an never will vote, wa ah care about is d man da say he is PM who lie to d whole population an say petrotrin ent going an close down an did jus that and ancel an buddies jus say nothin an let everyone lost they wuk because the knew the underhanded deal to secure the refinery/elections was in the pipes. These are the ppl the country workers are to trust with the refinery/government.
If it do get restarted regardless of party i hope is only 500 chinee and 250 vene get contract employment to run the whole thing efficiently as that lazy OWTU/PNM mentality impossible to eradicate.

[wing]

OWTU/PNM is really a deadly combination yes... One is wasteful as fork and the other lazy for days. But give them a billion dollar asset and let's see what they do with it...

why they killing the deal? hmm? ah wonder if it could be because the same incompetent OWTU who overstaffed the refinery an refused to take pay cuts and constantly holding the whole country to ransom for instead increased cannot be trusted with the infrastructure they couldn't run in the first place?
So by that stance PNM should have completed both hospitals and not wait 5 years to do so?
dey eh paying yuh enuff dese days bro yuh weak an yuh lean showin bad bad, go chk bak d funds mighta reach rofl

The owtu didn't hire anyone to work for Petrotrin. The OWTU are the owners of the company that has investors and a management team which are looking to buy the Refinery. The OWTU does not have 700m USD to buy anything. It's the investors who will be calling the shots because it's their money. It is likely that the Refinery will be run more effeciently than before plus the OWTU will not be in a position to hold itself to ransom. The UNC is seeking to restart the Refinery under the previous state ownership model. One can speculate who will be selected to work there in such a scenario.

OWTU/PNM and their leadership and the workplace ethic they fostered is failure, they lazy just like the 10 days worker, and always want more money to do even less work. Me eh care about no UNC/PNM chupidness as i don't an never will vote, wa ah care about is d man da say he is PM who lie to d whole population an say petrotrin ent going an close down an did jus that and ancel an buddies jus say nothin an let everyone lost they wuk because the knew the underhanded deal to secure the refinery/elections was in the pipes. These are the ppl the country workers are to trust with the refinery/government.
If it do get restarted regardless of party i hope is only 500 chinee and 250 vene get contract employment to run the whole thing efficiently as that lazy OWTU/PNM mentality impossible to eradicate.

I agree that the workplace culture left a lot to be desired. For every lazy worker there were two hard working and diligent people. So it's unfair to paint everyone with a broad brush. Hopefully the recruitment process will select the best people for the job.

[Redman]

why they killing the deal? hmm? ah wonder if it could be because the same incompetent OWTU who overstaffed the refinery an refused to take pay cuts and constantly holding the whole country to ransom for instead increased cannot be trusted with the infrastructure they couldn't run in the first place?
So by that stance PNM should have completed both hospitals and not wait 5 years to do so?
dey eh paying yuh enuff dese days bro yuh weak an yuh lean showin bad bad, go chk bak d funds mighta reach rofl

The owtu didn't hire anyone to work for Petrotrin. The OWTU are the owners of the company that has investors and a management team which are looking to buy the Refinery. The OWTU does not have 700m USD to buy anything. It's the investors who will be calling the shots because it's their money. It is likely that the Refinery will be run more effeciently than before plus the OWTU will not be in a position to hold itself to ransom. The UNC is seeking to restart the Refinery under the previous state ownership model. One can speculate who will be selected to work there in such a scenario.

OWTU/PNM and their leadership and the workplace ethic they fostered is failure, they lazy just like the 10 days worker, and always want more money to do even less work. Me eh care about no UNC/PNM chupidness as i don't an never will vote, wa ah care about is d man da say he is PM who lie to d whole population an say petrotrin ent going an close down an did jus that and ancel an buddies jus say nothin an let everyone lost they wuk because the knew the underhanded deal to secure the refinery/elections was in the pipes. These are the ppl the country workers are to trust with the refinery/government.
If it do get restarted regardless of party i hope is only 500 chinee and 250 vene get contract employment to run the whole thing efficiently as that lazy OWTU/PNM mentality impossible to eradicate.

Ultimately the union would have had to:
A)
Submit a detailed plan
Commit to a work plan and SOP when operations began.
Commit to running the refinery as efficiently and with the focus being profitability.
Shown how they would solve the problems in a sensible way.
And commit to being part of a structured relationship that facilitates repayment of all funds.

All of that before any one would agree to engage and finance the deal.
B)
To have bid...they would have had to validate their bid, and source of funds.

All of this should have happened already.

So the reality is that if it is done the normal way, and above board...the financing ensures that they have committed run it better than it was before.
Simple Q...if you were lending the money to finance this...what would you want?
And what we need is a properly run refinery.

What’s the UNCs plan?
All these request for disclosure of the OWTU, should include a detailed plan from the UNC.

Where is the money coming from?
How they dealing with an antagonistic union?
What changed since 2010/2015 when they trumped and followed suite like every govt before.?

[zoom rader]

You kants will never learn or listen.

Years ago I told you all that Petrotrin was sold to 1%.

The PNM union is just a front.

[The_Honourable]

And if Patriotic fails to turn a profit and make payments to the government, WHO going and take the refinery away from them?

[VexXx Dogg]

Good lord, timing is impeccable innit

[zoom rader]

Good lord, timing is impeccable innit

I used to say I am amazed how stupid the PNM ppl are, but it's normal now .

[Redman]

And if Patriotic fails to turn a profit and make payments to the government, WHO going and take the refinery away from them?

Well...
What would happen if Anyone enters into an agreement to purchase something and defaults.?

What happens if the UNC runs the refinery they way they did in 2010-2015....without the benefit of $80 oil.?

[wing]

And if Patriotic fails to turn a profit and make payments to the government, WHO going and take the refinery away from them?

Well...
What would happen if Anyone enters into an agreement to purchase something and defaults.?

What happens if the UNC runs the refinery they way they did in 2010-2015....without the benefit of $80 oil.?

Some of the commentators here are unfortunately being clouded by party politics when analyzing the proposed deal. The UNC alternative to the OWTU deal suggests a return to the old model of overstaffed and unproductive plants which can put a drain on the treasury as well as a hostile union who won't forget or forgive.

[zoom rader]

And if Patriotic fails to turn a profit and make payments to the government, WHO going and take the refinery away from them?

Well...
What would happen if Anyone enters into an agreement to purchase something and defaults.?

What happens if the UNC runs the refinery they way they did in 2010-2015....without the benefit of $80 oil.?

Some of the commentators here are unfortunately being clouded by party politics when analyzing the proposed deal. The UNC alternative to the OWTU deal suggests a return to the old model of overstaffed and unproductive plants which can put a drain on the treasury as well as a hostile union who won't forget or forgive.

Seems you on the same band wagon as the commentator

[wing]

And if Patriotic fails to turn a profit and make payments to the government, WHO going and take the refinery away from them?

Well...
What would happen if Anyone enters into an agreement to purchase something and defaults.?

What happens if the UNC runs the refinery they way they did in 2010-2015....without the benefit of $80 oil.?

Some of the commentators here are unfortunately being clouded by party politics when analyzing the proposed deal. The UNC alternative to the OWTU deal suggests a return to the old model of overstaffed and unproductive plants which can put a drain on the treasury as well as a hostile union who won't forget or forgive.

Seems you on the same band wagon as the commentator

I am a financial member of the UNC, however I don't think going back to the State run model is the right choice without fundamental change to how the government runs it's assets. Thus I am in favor of the proposed deal especially in the absence of other viable choices at this present time.

[zoom rader]

And if Patriotic fails to turn a profit and make payments to the government, WHO going and take the refinery away from them?

Well...
What would happen if Anyone enters into an agreement to purchase something and defaults.?

What happens if the UNC runs the refinery they way they did in 2010-2015....without the benefit of $80 oil.?

Some of the commentators here are unfortunately being clouded by party politics when analyzing the proposed deal. The UNC alternative to the OWTU deal suggests a return to the old model of overstaffed and unproductive plants which can put a drain on the treasury as well as a hostile union who won't forget or forgive.

Seems you on the same band wagon as the commentator

I am a financial member of the UNC, however I don't think going back to the State run model is the right choice without fundamental change to how the government runs it's assets. Thus I am in favor of the proposed deal especially in the absence of other viable choices at this present time.

I have never seen a tuner discuss that they are a financial member of any party, you are the first.

[daxt0r]

what is a financial member? as a non supporter any political party i'm clueless lol
but anywayyyy nothing not clouding my mind OWTU and by extension is a bunch of lazy clowns, you obviously have no idea of what went on PT to even sit there an defend and say for every 1 lazy worker it have 2 diligent ones. no fadda u know nothing of PT first hand is for every 10 lazy workers it have 1 diligent worker and even da 1 was tiefin down to d toilet paper.
PNM and dey friends and lawyer they hire to run PT is simply for sucking from d well d last of d dregs, we see it for 50 years of PNM rule so much over an over with all state resources, yet some fools still focus on a lil here an there NAR/UNC 5 years. Great is d PNM who else could fool dummies so easy, oh wait is dummies they foolin so daiz ah easy wok. After all ah good portion of da same dummy population in Trinidad believe Kamala lock off d water, rofl.
Look in d mirror to quote cro cro dumb PNMites and see & revel in ur own stupidity.

[sMASH]

big man ting, did rowley get some of the money that av drilling stole from petrotrin? why would he call them as soon as he heard the story broke?

[boxy]

Isn't that human/trini nature? You have a bredrin who you hear on the news in a bachannal first thing you do is call or message to ask waz dah one.

big man ting, did rowley get some of the money that av drilling stole from petrotrin? why would he call them as soon as he heard the story broke?

[sMASH]

i jess keep thinking gandalf... is it secret, is it safe?

[De Dragon]

Isn't that human/trini nature? You have a bredrin who you hear on the news in a bachannal first thing you do is call or message to ask waz dah one.

big man ting, did rowley get some of the money that av drilling stole from petrotrin? why would he call them as soon as he heard the story broke?

Not as the PM of a country, because what you risk is exactly what he got, scrutiny, accusations, speculation up the wazoo. I don't know who advises this man sometimes, that is, if keeping away from a potentially fraudulent, criminal activity needed someone to advise you to so do

[The_Honourable]

Rowley dangling that carrot in front of Roget

Roget calls on Rowley: Sign off on Patriotic refinery deal

ANCEL Roget, president general of the Oilfield Workers Trade Union (OWTU), believes unseen hands are trying to capsize, stall or stop Patriotic Energies and Technologies Company Ltd from acquiring and operating the Pointe-a-Pierre refinery and port.

Roget said there seem to be attempts to tempt the company from walking away from this process.

He also suggested there was a disconnect between the Prime Minister's instructions to finalise the process and what is being done by the Trinidad Petroleum Holdings Company (TPHL) team which has been meeting with the Patriotic directors and legal representative.

Roget called on Rowley and the inter-ministerial team to intervene and take control of what is happening at those discussions and have the agreement signed before August 10.

He said when Dr Rowley told the union on July 15 he was waiting to sign off on the agreement, the union expected it to be a quick process, and could not understand why it was taking so long.

“Too many stumbling blocks are being placed in our way,” he said at a news conference on Monday to update the country and workers on the status of the acquisition.

He said the union had a marathon 11-hour session on July 23 with the negotiating team to iron out six issues. But instead of reducing the document by those six issues, he said the team added21 more, some of which are not related to the process.

He said the negotiating team now wants the inter-ministerial team to look at the new draft which will set back the process.

Roget said he hoped this is not a political caper, because tens of millions of dollars of OWTU’s savings had been invested in this project to bring relief to thousand of workers who lost their jobs and, he said, have not stopped crying from November 30, 2018 to today.

Source: https://newsday.co.tt/2020/08/03/roget- ... nery-deal/

[Country_Bookie]

TPHL chairman is Michael Quamina who is also Rowley personal lawyer. Pretty clear he is delaying the signing on orders from the PM.

[screwbash]

funny how rowlee say he not shutting down petrotrin and he shut it down and now saying petrotrin will save the country, it sounding to me like a setup from the get go to let roget he he hands as a director on petrotrinto be set for life as a private company they have no accountability to the citizens to of TT. this reminds me of then khalid was the boss in petrotrin when daddy was president but then again he musbe was qualified idk but this whole situation sound like they outsmart all ah we from 2015. just like how PNM famous for building plannings in the marginal constituency to legal voter pad when no UNC supporters get those houses.
take garden land in curepe build house now want the min of agriculture nursery area to more voter pad,
barataria take garden land same ting,
wallerfield same time,
sando on the hiway never see houses went up so quick,
chaguanas east/enterprise same ting and watch how in the houses ( it have one in enterprise with X5 an range in the yard) that person well qualify.