UNC 2.0?!?!?!

[SimSimmer69]

UNC economic booster shots:

1. reduce tax burden.
2. food security
3. fuel security. restart the refinery
4. renewable energy
5. innovative funds - food security (from HSF), infrastructure (from state companies), climate fund (from green fund)

http://uncplan2020.com/

from the UNC's post-covid recovery plan.

http://uncplan2020.com/wppolitic_missio ... ip-marina/

wdmc they really thinking

Serious people don't use "http" anyway. Enter at your own risk.

[De Dragon]

nah it's more than that she asked some valid questions re the flight manifest

I won't lie i skimmed through it... so i didnt listen to the full thing... my issue nonetheless is that... is this necessary.... stoking the flames of embargos amd sanctions at a time when it is obvious that we are suffering... i get the point... trust me i do... no one should be above the law... and if their was wrong doing they should be held accountable... but man do we want to end up like venezuala? Cause that is what she pushing for... if your sitting government decided to facilitate trades with a sanctioned vountry then it is fair to believe that the country no lt rowley... not young... not imbert... will be punished by the US... again do we need this at this point in time

How many times does sheit have to be pushed down your throat before you say something? The PNM and its leadership have some questions to answer, and they are not doing that. Even that tirade and shiet talk from JUHN Scarfy about wanting sanctions is hypocritical to the extreme. In the event that we do get sanctioned, whose fault would it have been, the ones who facilitated a clear violation of existing US sanctions on Venezuela, or the ones who "reported" it?.

[Lou Screuz]

So they finally come up with a 2020 plan.

How original

What was the completion rate on the 2010 Manifesto???

What was the completion rate on the PNM 2015 manifesto ?

[Dohplaydat]

nah it's more than that she asked some valid questions re the flight manifest

I won't lie i skimmed through it... so i didnt listen to the full thing... my issue nonetheless is that... is this necessary.... stoking the flames of embargos amd sanctions at a time when it is obvious that we are suffering... i get the point... trust me i do... no one should be above the law... and if their was wrong doing they should be held accountable... but man do we want to end up like venezuala? Cause that is what she pushing for... if your sitting government decided to facilitate trades with a sanctioned vountry then it is fair to believe that the country no lt rowley... not young... not imbert... will be punished by the US... again do we need this at this point in time

How many times does sheit have to be pushed down your throat before you say something? The PNM and its leadership have some questions to answer, and they are not doing that. Even that tirade and shiet talk from JUHN Scarfy about wanting sanctions is hypocritical to the extreme. In the event that we do get sanctioned, whose fault would it have been, the ones who facilitated a clear violation of existing US sanctions on Venezuela, or the ones who "reported" it?.

I am certainly not a fan of UNC at the moment, but they damn right about this issue. WDA was Rowley and co. thinking doing this? For what purpose?

[Dohplaydat]

So they finally come up with a 2020 plan.

How original

What was the completion rate on the 2010 Manifesto???

What was the completion rate on the PNM 2015 manifesto ?

http://www.caribbeanelections.com/eDocs ... o_2015.pdf

Just browsed it through, must say it is quite boring. Saw something about improved water supply and laughed and closed it off.

[Redman]

So they finally come up with a 2020 plan.

How original

What was the completion rate on the 2010 Manifesto???

What was the completion rate on the PNM 2015 manifesto ?

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Keep yuh panties on...it's a UNC thread.

[elec2020]

nah it's more than that she asked some valid questions re the flight manifest

I won't lie i skimmed through it... so i didnt listen to the full thing... my issue nonetheless is that... is this necessary.... stoking the flames of embargos amd sanctions at a time when it is obvious that we are suffering... i get the point... trust me i do... no one should be above the law... and if their was wrong doing they should be held accountable... but man do we want to end up like venezuala? Cause that is what she pushing for... if your sitting government decided to facilitate trades with a sanctioned vountry then it is fair to believe that the country no lt rowley... not young... not imbert... will be punished by the US... again do we need this at this point in time

How many times does sheit have to be pushed down your throat before you say something? The PNM and its leadership have some questions to answer, and they are not doing that. Even that tirade and shiet talk from JUHN Scarfy about wanting sanctions is hypocritical to the extreme. In the event that we do get sanctioned, whose fault would it have been, the ones who facilitated a clear violation of existing US sanctions on Venezuela, or the ones who "reported" it?.

And begging the US for sanctions... which is basically what Moonilal's letter to the embassy did... is the most sensible way of making the PNM pay for their actions? Imo the UNC's decision to contact the embassy was premature... they should have done their own investigation... forwarded that to the TTPS then forwarded who the TTPS identified as culpable in this transaction to the embassy... that should have protected the trinidad and tobago people from any sanctions... instead... what it looks like to me is UNC hoping for a Guaido situation... that the US takes favor with what the UNC did and states that accorsing to the US the UNC is the recognized government of the republic of tnt... if u dont see this as one of the most heinous and nasty power grabs in recent years... then i dont know what to tell u... cause this move by UNC if it does open TnT to sanctions... their is no coming back for us... that means that the quality of life for you... your children and your childrens' children have been irreparibly damaged for somepeople's thirst for power... but hey who care juhn scarfy hadda pay aint... talk about cutting your nose to spite your face

[rspann]

The US has its own intelligence gathering and is fully aware of all the facts . They didn’t need to get any info from Moonilal , plus the issue was in other news before and that is where the UNC got the info from . Row key and others making it sound like the investigation was initiated by the UNC. Susan Louwe was the first to make a live about it and she quoted from a Vene reporter iirc . Coonilal and Kamla just adding nuisance value but the details were already out and reported and growlers trying to shift the blame so who else ? His usual scapegoat . The US isn’t going to do Jackshit based on what the UNC says , they will do something based on FACTS which I’m sure they are well cognizant of .

[elec2020]

Nonetheless... their is something called fanning the flames... a key factor behind alot of social movements in 1st world countries like gay rights, equality in the workplace, transgender athletes, etc... so do you want a leader that is fanning the flames for sanctions? a leader so desperate for votes that they are willing to destabilize the economy? No one can say for certainty that the US will not sanction us... like u forget their president is a mad man whose comments and decisions continue to shock us with every passing week... again i am not saying that individuals should not be held accountable for dealing with a sanctioned country... what i am saying is that in this case the ends (sanctions) will not justify the means (replacing PNM)

[paid_influencer]

The US is the one that giving Kamla and Moonilal all the docs. It right up the CIA playbook.

[Redman]

Moonilal wants to be the new Gauido???

The UNC need help with regime change-they advertise their willingness to kowtow to the US and calling in the professionals.

This is a mess of his own making- so the PM needs to sit and take ALLL the questions from the media...and answer all, without getting heated.

Thats the work.

[pugboy]

one thing for sure is rowlee not gonna sell gas again with the kinda scrutiny on now

[Lou Screuz]

Nonetheless... their is something called fanning the flames... a key factor behind alot of social movements in 1st world countries like gay rights, equality in the workplace, transgender athletes, etc... so do you want a leader that is fanning the flames for sanctions? a leader so desperate for votes that they are willing to destabilize the economy? No one can say for certainty that the US will not sanction us... like u forget their president is a mad man whose comments and decisions continue to shock us with every passing week... again i am not saying that individuals should not be held accountable for dealing with a sanctioned country... what i am saying is that in this case the ends (sanctions) will not justify the means (replacing PNM)

Tell them nah.

Rolwie wus working hard to make deal in the interest of trinidad and tobago.

Rolwie was doing a sneaky sneak to benefit we country

but then kamala and moonylal gone and they

they

they

THEY TELL ON WE

Waaah Waaah Waaah

Papa Rolwie was only trying to do a nice thing for all ah we

And he wus getting away with it too

But KAMALA gone and SPOIL EVERYTHING


Alyou eh PLAY dotish nah

[elec2020]

^ noted

[zoom rader]

Nonetheless... their is something called fanning the flames... a key factor behind alot of social movements in 1st world countries like gay rights, equality in the workplace, transgender athletes, etc... so do you want a leader that is fanning the flames for sanctions? a leader so desperate for votes that they are willing to destabilize the economy? No one can say for certainty that the US will not sanction us... like u forget their president is a mad man whose comments and decisions continue to shock us with every passing week... again i am not saying that individuals should not be held accountable for dealing with a sanctioned country... what i am saying is that in this case the ends (sanctions) will not justify the means (replacing PNM)

Tell them nah.

Rolwie wus working hard to make deal in the interest of trinidad and tobago.

Rolwie was doing a sneaky sneak to benefit we country

but then kamala and moonylal gone and they

they

they

THEY TELL ON WE

Waaah Waaah Waaah

Papa Rolwie was only trying to do a nice thing for all ah we

And he wus getting away with it too

But KAMALA gone and SPOIL EVERYTHING


Alyou eh PLAY dotish nah

Rowliar will soon have to face the US courts.

[De Dragon]

nah it's more than that she asked some valid questions re the flight manifest

I won't lie i skimmed through it... so i didnt listen to the full thing... my issue nonetheless is that... is this necessary.... stoking the flames of embargos amd sanctions at a time when it is obvious that we are suffering... i get the point... trust me i do... no one should be above the law... and if their was wrong doing they should be held accountable... but man do we want to end up like venezuala? Cause that is what she pushing for... if your sitting government decided to facilitate trades with a sanctioned vountry then it is fair to believe that the country no lt rowley... not young... not imbert... will be punished by the US... again do we need this at this point in time

How many times does sheit have to be pushed down your throat before you say something? The PNM and its leadership have some questions to answer, and they are not doing that. Even that tirade and shiet talk from JUHN Scarfy about wanting sanctions is hypocritical to the extreme. In the event that we do get sanctioned, whose fault would it have been, the ones who facilitated a clear violation of existing US sanctions on Venezuela, or the ones who "reported" it?.

And begging the US for sanctions... which is basically what Moonilal's letter to the embassy did... is the most sensible way of making the PNM pay for their actions? Imo the UNC's decision to contact the embassy was premature... they should have done their own investigation... forwarded that to the TTPS then forwarded who the TTPS identified as culpable in this transaction to the embassy... that should have protected the trinidad and tobago people from any sanctions... instead... what it looks like to me is UNC hoping for a Guaido situation... that the US takes favor with what the UNC did and states that accorsing to the US the UNC is the recognized government of the republic of tnt... if u dont see this as one of the most heinous and nasty power grabs in recent years... then i dont know what to tell u... cause this move by UNC if it does open TnT to sanctions... their is no coming back for us... that means that the quality of life for you... your children and your childrens' children have been irreparibly damaged for somepeople's thirst for power... but hey who care juhn scarfy hadda pay aint... talk about cutting your nose to spite your face

You either were born after 2013, or you don't remember EMailGate
You're also not making sense. The US will sanction who they want. Nowhere in the letter to the US Ambassador was there any call to sanction anyone/anything, but there was an unstated suggestion that something needed to be looked at on their end, given our GORTT's refusal to even acknowledge that it had in fact happened.
What is more heinous, the act, or the reporting of the act?

[Dohplaydat]

Nonetheless... their is something called fanning the flames... a key factor behind alot of social movements in 1st world countries like gay rights, equality in the workplace, transgender athletes, etc... so do you want a leader that is fanning the flames for sanctions? a leader so desperate for votes that they are willing to destabilize the economy? No one can say for certainty that the US will not sanction us... like u forget their president is a mad man whose comments and decisions continue to shock us with every passing week... again i am not saying that individuals should not be held accountable for dealing with a sanctioned country... what i am saying is that in this case the ends (sanctions) will not justify the means (replacing PNM)

lord fadda, son sit down and get some proper perspective before you run your mouth. If the US sanctions us it was not because of the UNC's letter. That letter was about publicity. You think Monilal told them something they didn't know already? I can't believe they have big men that will be misled this easily.

How are sanctions replacing the PNM, last time I checked we still had a free fair election process here.

[Gladiator]

Nonetheless... their is something called fanning the flames... a key factor behind alot of social movements in 1st world countries like gay rights, equality in the workplace, transgender athletes, etc... so do you want a leader that is fanning the flames for sanctions? a leader so desperate for votes that they are willing to destabilize the economy? No one can say for certainty that the US will not sanction us... like u forget their president is a mad man whose comments and decisions continue to shock us with every passing week... again i am not saying that individuals should not be held accountable for dealing with a sanctioned country... what i am saying is that in this case the ends (sanctions) will not justify the means (replacing PNM)

So pal... what do you think the Opposition's job is to do... not to ask the hard questions and hold the govt accountable. If it was not for the UNC and the information they put out would we have known anything about what is going on with this whole underhand Venezuela fuel deal?

You prefer everybody stay quiet and leave the govt to do whatever they want to? We don't live in a communist country. The Opposition's job is to be a pain in the azz of the govt. If the govt had even 1% transparency there would be no need for whistle blowers and display of information in the manner the UNC did in exposing this information. And to add to it, the lies and cover up that the PM and the govt ministers trying is clearly being seen through.

BTW since this whole mess started did anyone actually hear Kamla or Moneylall say "aye Trump, sanction we" or are you simply latching on to the PNM rhetoric. They simply brought to the public's attention that what the Rowley govt did was in breach of US sanctions which in turn can risk Trinidad receiving US sanctions. What the firetruck wrong with that...

[elec2020]

nah it's more than that she asked some valid questions re the flight manifest

I won't lie i skimmed through it... so i didnt listen to the full thing... my issue nonetheless is that... is this necessary.... stoking the flames of embargos amd sanctions at a time when it is obvious that we are suffering... i get the point... trust me i do... no one should be above the law... and if their was wrong doing they should be held accountable... but man do we want to end up like venezuala? Cause that is what she pushing for... if your sitting government decided to facilitate trades with a sanctioned vountry then it is fair to believe that the country no lt rowley... not young... not imbert... will be punished by the US... again do we need this at this point in time

How many times does sheit have to be pushed down your throat before you say something? The PNM and its leadership have some questions to answer, and they are not doing that. Even that tirade and shiet talk from JUHN Scarfy about wanting sanctions is hypocritical to the extreme. In the event that we do get sanctioned, whose fault would it have been, the ones who facilitated a clear violation of existing US sanctions on Venezuela, or the ones who "reported" it?.

And begging the US for sanctions... which is basically what Moonilal's letter to the embassy did... is the most sensible way of making the PNM pay for their actions? Imo the UNC's decision to contact the embassy was premature... they should have done their own investigation... forwarded that to the TTPS then forwarded who the TTPS identified as culpable in this transaction to the embassy... that should have protected the trinidad and tobago people from any sanctions... instead... what it looks like to me is UNC hoping for a Guaido situation... that the US takes favor with what the UNC did and states that accorsing to the US the UNC is the recognized government of the republic of tnt... if u dont see this as one of the most heinous and nasty power grabs in recent years... then i dont know what to tell u... cause this move by UNC if it does open TnT to sanctions... their is no coming back for us... that means that the quality of life for you... your children and your childrens' children have been irreparibly damaged for somepeople's thirst for power... but hey who care juhn scarfy hadda pay aint... talk about cutting your nose to spite your face

You either were born after 2013, or you don't remember EMailGate
You're also not making sense. The US will sanction who they want. Nowhere in the letter to the US Ambassador was there any call to sanction anyone/anything, but there was an unstated suggestion that something needed to be looked at on their end, given our GORTT's refusal to even acknowledge that it had in fact happened.
What is more heinous, the act, or the reporting of the act?

Emailgate invited US sanctions? Anyway this discussion is going nowhere... as i am continuously repeating myself... to end off... i am not saying that the government should be given a free pass... i am saying that the UNC should have involved the TTPS and from the TTPS' investigation those names or parties should have been forwarded to the US... this would have protected the TnT people from possible sanctions... as as it stands now... the entire government has been called out... so as it stands the US would be investigating the government of tnt rather than 2/3 key individuals behind this deal... as such the whole of tnt may be subject to sanctions... idk how else to break this down yes

[eliteauto]

UNC couldn't go to the TTPS to investigate anything because no laws were broken, so they took the course of action they saw fit

[elec2020]

UNC couldn't go to the TTPS to investigate anything because no laws were broken, so they took the course of action they saw fit

? Isn't this an internationally criminal offense... facilitating trade for a sanctioned country... why would the TTPS not be able to investigate this case? I dont understand

[Gladiator]

nah it's more than that she asked some valid questions re the flight manifest

I won't lie i skimmed through it... so i didnt listen to the full thing... my issue nonetheless is that... is this necessary.... stoking the flames of embargos amd sanctions at a time when it is obvious that we are suffering... i get the point... trust me i do... no one should be above the law... and if their was wrong doing they should be held accountable... but man do we want to end up like venezuala? Cause that is what she pushing for... if your sitting government decided to facilitate trades with a sanctioned vountry then it is fair to believe that the country no lt rowley... not young... not imbert... will be punished by the US... again do we need this at this point in time

How many times does sheit have to be pushed down your throat before you say something? The PNM and its leadership have some questions to answer, and they are not doing that. Even that tirade and shiet talk from JUHN Scarfy about wanting sanctions is hypocritical to the extreme. In the event that we do get sanctioned, whose fault would it have been, the ones who facilitated a clear violation of existing US sanctions on Venezuela, or the ones who "reported" it?.

And begging the US for sanctions... which is basically what Moonilal's letter to the embassy did... is the most sensible way of making the PNM pay for their actions? Imo the UNC's decision to contact the embassy was premature... they should have done their own investigation... forwarded that to the TTPS then forwarded who the TTPS identified as culpable in this transaction to the embassy... that should have protected the trinidad and tobago people from any sanctions... instead... what it looks like to me is UNC hoping for a Guaido situation... that the US takes favor with what the UNC did and states that accorsing to the US the UNC is the recognized government of the republic of tnt... if u dont see this as one of the most heinous and nasty power grabs in recent years... then i dont know what to tell u... cause this move by UNC if it does open TnT to sanctions... their is no coming back for us... that means that the quality of life for you... your children and your childrens' children have been irreparibly damaged for somepeople's thirst for power... but hey who care juhn scarfy hadda pay aint... talk about cutting your nose to spite your face

You either were born after 2013, or you don't remember EMailGate
You're also not making sense. The US will sanction who they want. Nowhere in the letter to the US Ambassador was there any call to sanction anyone/anything, but there was an unstated suggestion that something needed to be looked at on their end, given our GORTT's refusal to even acknowledge that it had in fact happened.
What is more heinous, the act, or the reporting of the act?

Emailgate invited US sanctions? Anyway this discussion is going nowhere... as i am continuously repeating myself... to end off... i am not saying that the government should be given a free pass... i am saying that the UNC should have involved the TTPS and from the TTPS' investigation those names or parties should have been forwarded to the US... this would have protected the TnT people from possible sanctions... as as it stands now... the entire government has been called out... so as it stands the US would be investigating the government of tnt rather than 2/3 key individuals behind this deal... as such the whole of tnt may be subject to sanctions... idk how else to break this down yes

You seem to be quite confused. No T&T laws were broken, what the PNM did was more crossing moral and ethical boundaries and just plain stupid as far as international relations goes. TTPS does not apply here.

Regardless of how the information was publicized, the deeds were already done. The consequences, whatever they are, would apply regardless. News flash, the 2/3 key individuals behind this deal are the frinkin Government of Trinidad and Tobago...

[The_Honourable]

Nonetheless... their is something called fanning the flames... a key factor behind alot of social movements in 1st world countries like gay rights, equality in the workplace, transgender athletes, etc... so do you want a leader that is fanning the flames for sanctions? a leader so desperate for votes that they are willing to destabilize the economy? No one can say for certainty that the US will not sanction us... like u forget their president is a mad man whose comments and decisions continue to shock us with every passing week... again i am not saying that individuals should not be held accountable for dealing with a sanctioned country... what i am saying is that in this case the ends (sanctions) will not justify the means (replacing PNM)

lord fadda, son sit down and get some proper perspective before you run your mouth. If the US sanctions us it was not because of the UNC's letter. That letter was about publicity. You think Monilal told them something they didn't know already? I can't believe they have big men that will be misled this easily.

How are sanctions replacing the PNM, last time I checked we still had a free fair election process here.

Elec... as dohplaydat said, more than likely the US already know what play off and know more that we don't know.

The US is not going to sanction a whole country because of that one gas shipment deal. That is the nuclear option and not necessary atm to play that card. The sanctions would be more "targeted" to increase pressure and if yuh play harden, THEN the nuclear option of a national sanction would play. Sanctions began in Venezuela since 2008 against individuals within the Chavez administration. These individual and now company sanctions then increased across time into the Maduro administration. From 2018 into 2019, the US finally played the nuclear card.

If the US decide to place sanctions on us, it's not against the country. It will be individuals and also the companies involved first (targeted). So for individuals there will be VISA restrictions or cancellations happening plus assets under US jurisdiction will be frozen. As a company, that means you can't do business with US dollars and partnerships with US companies immediately ends.

So imagine sanctions against members of our government? and sanctions against Paria Fuel Trading company? which by the way is just a subsidiary. The parent/holding company is Trinidad Petroleum Holdings Ltd and what if that get hit instead? Paria, Heritage, Guaracara (the refinery) and legacy Petrotrin getting hit in one blow. (Petrotrin under the company registry still active and debts still to be paid but operations are closed.)

[elec2020]

Nonetheless... their is something called fanning the flames... a key factor behind alot of social movements in 1st world countries like gay rights, equality in the workplace, transgender athletes, etc... so do you want a leader that is fanning the flames for sanctions? a leader so desperate for votes that they are willing to destabilize the economy? No one can say for certainty that the US will not sanction us... like u forget their president is a mad man whose comments and decisions continue to shock us with every passing week... again i am not saying that individuals should not be held accountable for dealing with a sanctioned country... what i am saying is that in this case the ends (sanctions) will not justify the means (replacing PNM)

So pal... what do you think the Opposition's job is to do... not to ask the hard questions and hold the govt accountable. If it was not for the UNC and the information they put out would we have known anything about what is going on with this whole underhand Venezuela fuel deal?

You prefer everybody stay quiet and leave the govt to do whatever they want to? We don't live in a communist country. The Opposition's job is to be a pain in the azz of the govt. If the govt had even 1% transparency there would be no need for whistle blowers and display of information in the manner the UNC did in exposing this information. And to add to it, the lies and cover up that the PM and the govt ministers trying is clearly being seen through.

BTW since this whole mess started did anyone actually hear Kamla or Moneylall say "aye Trump, sanction we" or are you simply latching on to the PNM rhetoric. They simply brought to the public's attention that what the Rowley govt did was in breach of US sanctions which in turn can risk Trinidad receiving US sanctions. What the firetruck wrong with that...

Moonilal told Mondello, “The loading of the Aldan in TT, if factual in nature, could not have occurred without the knowledge, consent and facilitation of the present government of our country, since our relevant petro and port facilities are all controlled and operated by the government and its state enterprises.”

Moonilal said, “I was of the view that, if true, this assistance rendered to the regime of Nicolas Maduro, which has been branded as undemocratic, unconsitituional and illegal by the United States of America as well as by all our allies of good conscience, was an affront to the community of free nations and further posed a risk that Trinidad and Tobago could be met with economic sanctions.

“Such economic sanctions, if imposed in these difficult times, would have a devastating effect on the well being of this society and undermine all post-Covid 19 recovery strategies.

“It is for that reason that at the first available opportunity on Monday April 27, 2020, on behalf of the Parliamentary opposition, I sought to raise this issue for debate as a matter of ‘urgent public importance’ pursuant to our parliament’s standing orders, so that the government could be called upon to respond and account to the population by way of denial, affirmation, explanation or excuse as it saw fit. I believed that raising the matter in this manner was in keeping with the spirit and intent of the democratic tradition of the Parliament of Trinidad and Tobago.

The statement in its entirety points out the offender as the government of tnt... the risk of the violation here is sanctions... and as monilal self said... the risk here are sanctions to the country... he also talked anout economic sanctions... as indicated above... idk why people makong out sanctions like it is a joke... this can be a grave issue... my only issue with the UNC's approach is that an investigation should have been carried out... highlight the guilty party and inform those individuals to the US... that imo should have been the method adopted by UNC to protect the citezenry... as it stands... we all in the same boat because two or three guys tried to eat a food and another group of guys buss the shot too early

[elec2020]

nah it's more than that she asked some valid questions re the flight manifest

I won't lie i skimmed through it... so i didnt listen to the full thing... my issue nonetheless is that... is this necessary.... stoking the flames of embargos amd sanctions at a time when it is obvious that we are suffering... i get the point... trust me i do... no one should be above the law... and if their was wrong doing they should be held accountable... but man do we want to end up like venezuala? Cause that is what she pushing for... if your sitting government decided to facilitate trades with a sanctioned vountry then it is fair to believe that the country no lt rowley... not young... not imbert... will be punished by the US... again do we need this at this point in time

How many times does sheit have to be pushed down your throat before you say something? The PNM and its leadership have some questions to answer, and they are not doing that. Even that tirade and shiet talk from JUHN Scarfy about wanting sanctions is hypocritical to the extreme. In the event that we do get sanctioned, whose fault would it have been, the ones who facilitated a clear violation of existing US sanctions on Venezuela, or the ones who "reported" it?.

And begging the US for sanctions... which is basically what Moonilal's letter to the embassy did... is the most sensible way of making the PNM pay for their actions? Imo the UNC's decision to contact the embassy was premature... they should have done their own investigation... forwarded that to the TTPS then forwarded who the TTPS identified as culpable in this transaction to the embassy... that should have protected the trinidad and tobago people from any sanctions... instead... what it looks like to me is UNC hoping for a Guaido situation... that the US takes favor with what the UNC did and states that accorsing to the US the UNC is the recognized government of the republic of tnt... if u dont see this as one of the most heinous and nasty power grabs in recent years... then i dont know what to tell u... cause this move by UNC if it does open TnT to sanctions... their is no coming back for us... that means that the quality of life for you... your children and your childrens' children have been irreparibly damaged for somepeople's thirst for power... but hey who care juhn scarfy hadda pay aint... talk about cutting your nose to spite your face

You either were born after 2013, or you don't remember EMailGate
You're also not making sense. The US will sanction who they want. Nowhere in the letter to the US Ambassador was there any call to sanction anyone/anything, but there was an unstated suggestion that something needed to be looked at on their end, given our GORTT's refusal to even acknowledge that it had in fact happened.
What is more heinous, the act, or the reporting of the act?

Emailgate invited US sanctions? Anyway this discussion is going nowhere... as i am continuously repeating myself... to end off... i am not saying that the government should be given a free pass... i am saying that the UNC should have involved the TTPS and from the TTPS' investigation those names or parties should have been forwarded to the US... this would have protected the TnT people from possible sanctions... as as it stands now... the entire government has been called out... so as it stands the US would be investigating the government of tnt rather than 2/3 key individuals behind this deal... as such the whole of tnt may be subject to sanctions... idk how else to break this down yes

You seem to be quite confused. No T&T laws were broken, what the PNM did was more crossing moral and ethical boundaries and just plain stupid as far as international relations goes. TTPS does not apply here.

Regardless of how the information was publicized, the deeds were already done. The consequences, whatever they are, would apply regardless. News flash, the 2/3 key individuals behind this deal are the frinkin Government of Trinidad and Tobago...

As stated earlier i am tired of this rhetoric... the ttps would have jurisdiction to carry out an investigation as this transaction would violate money laundering and terrorist financing policies... anyway done speaking about this issue

[elec2020]

Nonetheless... their is something called fanning the flames... a key factor behind alot of social movements in 1st world countries like gay rights, equality in the workplace, transgender athletes, etc... so do you want a leader that is fanning the flames for sanctions? a leader so desperate for votes that they are willing to destabilize the economy? No one can say for certainty that the US will not sanction us... like u forget their president is a mad man whose comments and decisions continue to shock us with every passing week... again i am not saying that individuals should not be held accountable for dealing with a sanctioned country... what i am saying is that in this case the ends (sanctions) will not justify the means (replacing PNM)

lord fadda, son sit down and get some proper perspective before you run your mouth. If the US sanctions us it was not because of the UNC's letter. That letter was about publicity. You think Monilal told them something they didn't know already? I can't believe they have big men that will be misled this easily.

How are sanctions replacing the PNM, last time I checked we still had a free fair election process here.

Elec... as dohplaydat said, more than likely the US already know what play off and know more that we don't know.

The US is not going to sanction a whole country because of that one gas shipment deal. That is the nuclear option and not necessary atm to play that card. The sanctions would be more "targeted" to increase pressure and if yuh play harden, THEN the nuclear option of a national sanction would play. Sanctions began in Venezuela since 2008 against individuals within the Chavez administration. These individual and now company sanctions then increased across time into the Maduro administration. From 2018 into 2019, the US finally played the nuclear card.

If the US decide to place sanctions on us, it's not against the country. It will be individuals and also the companies involved first (targeted). So for individuals there will be VISA restrictions or cancellations happening plus assets under US jurisdiction will be frozen. As a company, that means you can't do business with US dollars and partnerships with US companies immediately ends.

So imagine sanctions against members of our government? and sanctions against Paria Fuel Trading company? which by the way is just a subsidiary. The parent/holding company is Trinidad Petroleum Holdings Ltd and what if that get hit instead? Paria, Heritage, Guaracara (the refinery) and legacy Petrotrin getting hit in one blow. (Petrotrin under the company registry still active and debts still to be paid but operations are closed.)

Nice and detailed comment... while i note some of your points... please be mindful that since assuming office president trump has imposed or threatened to impose several sanctions on different companies or entities... i have to look at the numbers but it would be no surprise if he has done so more than his recent predecessors (obama, bush, clinton)... so their is a more than 50 per cent chance imo that we would get sanctions... whether this will be individual or nationwide remains to be seen... additionaly given Paria's contribution to economic activity... any sanctions on that entity will be particularly significant... hence my ire that an investigation was not done to single out the individuals responsible and make them accountable rather than lumping up everything together... it remains to be seen who will come out ahead on the side of history over this event... again thanks for the comment this will be the last comment i respond to on this topic in this thread

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UNC couldn't go to the TTPS to investigate anything because no laws were broken, so they took the course of action they saw fit

US don't play by banana republic laws.

They can come in the night and wisk away those that are against them.

Your PNM prime Minster is a liar and you a lacky.

[De Dragon]

nah it's more than that she asked some valid questions re the flight manifest

I won't lie i skimmed through it... so i didnt listen to the full thing... my issue nonetheless is that... is this necessary.... stoking the flames of embargos amd sanctions at a time when it is obvious that we are suffering... i get the point... trust me i do... no one should be above the law... and if their was wrong doing they should be held accountable... but man do we want to end up like venezuala? Cause that is what she pushing for... if your sitting government decided to facilitate trades with a sanctioned vountry then it is fair to believe that the country no lt rowley... not young... not imbert... will be punished by the US... again do we need this at this point in time

How many times does sheit have to be pushed down your throat before you say something? The PNM and its leadership have some questions to answer, and they are not doing that. Even that tirade and shiet talk from JUHN Scarfy about wanting sanctions is hypocritical to the extreme. In the event that we do get sanctioned, whose fault would it have been, the ones who facilitated a clear violation of existing US sanctions on Venezuela, or the ones who "reported" it?.

And begging the US for sanctions... which is basically what Moonilal's letter to the embassy did... is the most sensible way of making the PNM pay for their actions? Imo the UNC's decision to contact the embassy was premature... they should have done their own investigation... forwarded that to the TTPS then forwarded who the TTPS identified as culpable in this transaction to the embassy... that should have protected the trinidad and tobago people from any sanctions... instead... what it looks like to me is UNC hoping for a Guaido situation... that the US takes favor with what the UNC did and states that accorsing to the US the UNC is the recognized government of the republic of tnt... if u dont see this as one of the most heinous and nasty power grabs in recent years... then i dont know what to tell u... cause this move by UNC if it does open TnT to sanctions... their is no coming back for us... that means that the quality of life for you... your children and your childrens' children have been irreparibly damaged for somepeople's thirst for power... but hey who care juhn scarfy hadda pay aint... talk about cutting your nose to spite your face

You either were born after 2013, or you don't remember EMailGate
You're also not making sense. The US will sanction who they want. Nowhere in the letter to the US Ambassador was there any call to sanction anyone/anything, but there was an unstated suggestion that something needed to be looked at on their end, given our GORTT's refusal to even acknowledge that it had in fact happened.
What is more heinous, the act, or the reporting of the act?

Emailgate invited US sanctions? Anyway this discussion is going nowhere... as i am continuously repeating myself... to end off... i am not saying that the government should be given a free pass... i am saying that the UNC should have involved the TTPS and from the TTPS' investigation those names or parties should have been forwarded to the US... this would have protected the TnT people from possible sanctions... as as it stands now... the entire government has been called out... so as it stands the US would be investigating the government of tnt rather than 2/3 key individuals behind this deal... as such the whole of tnt may be subject to sanctions... idk how else to break this down yes

Look at the part in bold again You invited a comparison of "heinous and nasty power grabs" and I simply provided one. TTPS has no standing here as no T&T laws were broken. You seem not to understand how this was a carefully laid out trap that the clueless PM fell predictably into because of his invariable rash and hasty way of responding to every single thing that puts him in a bad light.
Follow me if you can.
JUHN Scarfy is asked about the matter in Parliament. He denies any knowledge
Moonilal asks if the matter can be raised in Parliament as an urgent one. He is denied by Brigid Anissette-George the wife of Paria's Chairman, Newman George.
Moonilal writes to US Ambassador Mondello asking him to look at the matter.
The predictable PNM manufactured outrage and denials, along with accusations of traitorous behaviour, quickly ensue.
Then, the appearance of manifests, customs declaration forms start, placing JUHN Scarfy, Goebbels Young, Guy Smiley, Newman George and the PNM in an embarrassing position of being caught in an obvious, and blatant lie.
Chess, not checkers son.
Also you're asking about this situation, and because people's response is not agreeing with you, you're going to throw a hissy fit and leave in a huff? That's mature

[elec2020]

^ okay

[Blaze d Chalice]

Bharath will be our next PM

Yes, Rhoda Bharath will make a good upcoming PM.

She is very professional, outspoken, not easily intimidated, and very pleasing to the eyes.