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Re: Astronomy

Postby maj. tom » October 7th, 2023, 9:50 am

We say curried chicken in Trinidad. As a description. Not curry chicken. The dish name is a (meat/vegetable) curry all over the world.



Bluefete, the speed of light is a constant and I doubt it can ever change in the future since we have very accurate ways to measure it today and it works in all the mathematical theories perfectly, and especially Einstein's theories of relativity. Which have been proven time and time again by experiment from many different branches of sciences.

Why is it that fixed speed in a vacuum? Good question and we will never know. It's simply an inherent and unchangeable property of our Universe. Like how the mass of a proton is some constant or the half life of an element is a fixed time even though the spontaneous change of matter to energy is random.

Yes the Universe is a big place. Distances (and hence time) are very far and deep. More than a human mind can truly understand properly. When we first got a picture of the Hubble's Deep Field in 1995 it changed human perspective of what Earth and us really are in the Universe and greater meaning of time. Random nothing made of supernova dust, but at the same time very special and unique and privileged to be alive in this time of scientific discovery to experience the consciousness of our real place out there.

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Re: Astronomy

Postby bluefete » October 7th, 2023, 9:57 am

maj. tom wrote:We say curried chicken in Trinidad. As a description. Not curry chicken. The dish name is a (meat/vegetable) curry all over the world.



Bluefete, the speed of light is a constant and I doubt it can ever change in the future since we have very accurate ways to measure it today and it works in all the mathematical theories perfectly, and especially Einstein's theories of relativity. Which have been proven time and time again by experiment from many different branches of sciences.

Why is it that fixed speed in a vacuum? Good question and we will never know. It's simply an inherent and unchangeable property of our Universe. Like how the mass of a proton is some constant or the half life of an element is a fixed time even though the spontaneous change of matter to energy is random.

Yes the Universe is a big place. Distances (and hence time) are very far and deep. More than a human mind can truly understand properly. When we first got a picture of the Hubble's Deep Field in 1995 it changed human perspective of what Earth and us really are in the Universe and greater meaning of time. Random nothing made of supernova dust, but at the same time very special and unique and privileged to be alive in this time of scientific discovery to experience the consciousness of our real place out there.


Good analysis (as usual) maj.tom. Perspective is a heck of a thing when one studies physics or astronomy.

You made a very good case for the existence of a Supreme Being though. The concept of the speed of light working perfectly in all math theories - did light decide to do all this by itself? Did light just randomly find the perfect speed to travel at in a vacuum? Does light have consciousness to work out the right speed? I know you wrote that we don't know and that is quite acceptable from a scientific perspective. But the elephant in the room .......

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Re: Astronomy

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 7th, 2023, 11:03 am

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maj. tom wrote:We say curried chicken in Trinidad. As a description. Not curry chicken. The dish name is a (meat/vegetable) curry all over the world.



Bluefete, the speed of light is a constant and I doubt it can ever change in the future since we have very accurate ways to measure it today and it works in all the mathematical theories perfectly, and especially Einstein's theories of relativity. Which have been proven time and time again by experiment from many different branches of sciences.

Why is it that fixed speed in a vacuum? Good question and we will never know. It's simply an inherent and unchangeable property of our Universe. Like how the mass of a proton is some constant or the half life of an element is a fixed time even though the spontaneous change of matter to energy is random.

Yes the Universe is a big place. Distances (and hence time) are very far and deep. More than a human mind can truly understand properly. When we first got a picture of the Hubble's Deep Field in 1995 it changed human perspective of what Earth and us really are in the Universe and greater meaning of time. Random nothing made of supernova dust, but at the same time very special and unique and privileged to be alive in this time of scientific discovery to experience the consciousness of our real place out there.


Good analysis (as usual) maj.tom. Perspective is a heck of a thing when one studies physics or astronomy.

You made a very good case for the existence of a Supreme Being though. The concept of the speed of light working perfectly in all math theories - did light decide to do all this by itself? Did light just randomly find the perfect speed to travel at in a vacuum? Does light have consciousness to work out the right speed? I know you wrote that we don't know and that is quite acceptable from a scientific perspective. But the elephant in the room .......

You aren't doing a good thing for your belief in God by stating "we don't know, therefore God" - it is not a very good argument for God because it gets debunked when we eventually find out the answer. That very act is referred to as "God of the Gaps".
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2015/ ... ut-science

In ancient times people said Thor or Zeus were the Gods of lightning and thunder when mankind didn't have the scientific understanding of what causes lightning. The same argument you used can be used there - "did the lighting think for itself?".

Photons are massless - so they always move at the speed of light in vacuum.
Check these videos. Light is massless and also photons do not experience time.




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Re: Astronomy

Postby bluefete » October 7th, 2023, 1:28 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
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maj. tom wrote:We say curried chicken in Trinidad. As a description. Not curry chicken. The dish name is a (meat/vegetable) curry all over the world.



Bluefete, the speed of light is a constant and I doubt it can ever change in the future since we have very accurate ways to measure it today and it works in all the mathematical theories perfectly, and especially Einstein's theories of relativity. Which have been proven time and time again by experiment from many different branches of sciences.

Why is it that fixed speed in a vacuum? Good question and we will never know. It's simply an inherent and unchangeable property of our Universe. Like how the mass of a proton is some constant or the half life of an element is a fixed time even though the spontaneous change of matter to energy is random.

Yes the Universe is a big place. Distances (and hence time) are very far and deep. More than a human mind can truly understand properly. When we first got a picture of the Hubble's Deep Field in 1995 it changed human perspective of what Earth and us really are in the Universe and greater meaning of time. Random nothing made of supernova dust, but at the same time very special and unique and privileged to be alive in this time of scientific discovery to experience the consciousness of our real place out there.


Good analysis (as usual) maj.tom. Perspective is a heck of a thing when one studies physics or astronomy.

You made a very good case for the existence of a Supreme Being though. The concept of the speed of light working perfectly in all math theories - did light decide to do all this by itself? Did light just randomly find the perfect speed to travel at in a vacuum? Does light have consciousness to work out the right speed? I know you wrote that we don't know and that is quite acceptable from a scientific perspective. But the elephant in the room .......

You aren't doing a good thing for your belief in God by stating "we don't know, therefore God" - it is not a very good argument for God because it gets debunked when we eventually find out the answer. That very act is referred to as "God of the Gaps".
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2015/ ... ut-science

In ancient times people said Thor or Zeus were the Gods of lightning and thunder when mankind didn't have the scientific understanding of what causes lightning. The same argument you used can be used there - "did the lighting think for itself?".

Photons are massless - so they always move at the speed of light in vacuum.
Check these videos. Light is massless and also photons do not experience time.





Nice vids but look at this quote:

"You and I share a membership in this profoundly exclusive and incredible club. Anytime I think about this fact, I am filled with calm and wonder. Somehow life sprung into being through some sheer fluke of science, or perhaps the hand of God. Against a cold and dark universe, each of us breathes and pulses with millions of chemical reactions, with trillions of cells all working together to keep us alive." - Neil deGrasse Tyson!

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Re: Astronomy

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 7th, 2023, 10:02 pm

^ Neil deGrasse Tyson says he is agnostic

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Re: Astronomy

Postby st7 » October 10th, 2023, 9:35 am

bluefete wrote:
maj. tom wrote:We say curried chicken in Trinidad. As a description. Not curry chicken. The dish name is a (meat/vegetable) curry all over the world.



Bluefete, the speed of light is a constant and I doubt it can ever change in the future since we have very accurate ways to measure it today and it works in all the mathematical theories perfectly, and especially Einstein's theories of relativity. Which have been proven time and time again by experiment from many different branches of sciences.

Why is it that fixed speed in a vacuum? Good question and we will never know. It's simply an inherent and unchangeable property of our Universe. Like how the mass of a proton is some constant or the half life of an element is a fixed time even though the spontaneous change of matter to energy is random.

Yes the Universe is a big place. Distances (and hence time) are very far and deep. More than a human mind can truly understand properly. When we first got a picture of the Hubble's Deep Field in 1995 it changed human perspective of what Earth and us really are in the Universe and greater meaning of time. Random nothing made of supernova dust, but at the same time very special and unique and privileged to be alive in this time of scientific discovery to experience the consciousness of our real place out there.


Good analysis (as usual) maj.tom. Perspective is a heck of a thing when one studies physics or astronomy.

You made a very good case for the existence of a Supreme Being though. The concept of the speed of light working perfectly in all math theories - did light decide to do all this by itself? Did light just randomly find the perfect speed to travel at in a vacuum? Does light have consciousness to work out the right speed? I know you wrote that we don't know and that is quite acceptable from a scientific perspective. But the elephant in the room .......


elephant in the room but our total existence probably exists as a thought in a higher being's neuron where 1 second in that higher being's reality is an eternity for us.

another elephant, our existence are the string/quantum theory to a grander existence. we probably exist in a pile of sheit, so we're all just a piece of sheit.

either way -- it's not one or the other. we simply dont know the actual truth of our existence. we may not be able to comprehend it. so putting a label on it 'because we cannot explain everything' is just stupid.

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Re: Astronomy

Postby The Bamboo Online » October 10th, 2023, 10:14 am

If god isn’t affected by time. Does that mean he is weightless like the sunbeams.

24hrs in heaven is equivalent to a 1000 years on earth

Are beings who exist as pure energy like those described in stargate as the ascended ancients really real? They created us manipulated us can choose to take a body and be us.

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Re: Astronomy

Postby redmanjp » October 10th, 2023, 11:57 am

The Bamboo Online wrote:If god isn’t affected by time. Does that mean he is weightless like the sunbeams.

24hrs in heaven is equivalent to a 1000 years on earth

Are beings who exist as pure energy like those described in stargate as the ascended ancients really real? They created us manipulated us can choose to take a body and be us.


when the Bible say God create the world in 6 days ppl say that is nonsense but they didn't take relativity and time dilation into account- remember Interstellar? what is a few days for some is years for someone else on another planet.

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Re: Astronomy

Postby aaron17 » October 10th, 2023, 12:01 pm

Are human beings have in their dna embedded to worship or follow something /someone higher than them or even do something that considered being someone to look towards? Eg :heros that is writtin in history. Or even ram and sita etc.

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Re: Astronomy

Postby st7 » October 10th, 2023, 12:10 pm

redmanjp wrote:
The Bamboo Online wrote:If god isn’t affected by time. Does that mean he is weightless like the sunbeams.

24hrs in heaven is equivalent to a 1000 years on earth

Are beings who exist as pure energy like those described in stargate as the ascended ancients really real? They created us manipulated us can choose to take a body and be us.


when the Bible say God create the world in 6 days ppl say that is nonsense but they didn't take relativity and time dilation into account- remember Interstellar? what is a few days for some is years for someone else on another planet.


bible is fictitious though

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Re: Astronomy

Postby xtech » October 14th, 2023, 11:57 am

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Solar eclipse Shadow is growing on the map

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Re: Astronomy

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Re: Astronomy

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » October 19th, 2023, 8:19 pm

^ sensationalist headline is sensational

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Re: Astronomy

Postby fokhan_96 » October 19th, 2023, 8:23 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ sensationalist headline is sensational
In other news, a cloud explodes causing water to fall from the sky.

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Re: Astronomy

Postby redmanjp » October 28th, 2023, 1:39 pm

Partial lunar eclipse tonight but will we be able to see it?

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/trinidad-and-tobago/port-of-spain?iso=20231028

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Re: Astronomy

Postby st7 » October 28th, 2023, 5:30 pm

nah boy. the moon hasnt risen yet which makes sense at the time cause the sun is setting n it will def cast the shadow lol

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Re: Astronomy

Postby MaxPower » October 28th, 2023, 5:54 pm

St7 i eh know u brutal so.

You sort out the trinifans boy and pack up he bags.

Man buss out

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Re: Astronomy

Postby st7 » October 28th, 2023, 6:00 pm

MaxPower wrote:St7 i eh know u brutal so.

You sort out the trinifans boy and pack up he bags.

Man buss out


lol daz what happen? i see somehow he changed his name to TrinidadSigns and made a promo topic for it :lol:

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Postby redmanjp » October 28th, 2023, 6:27 pm

st7 wrote:nah boy. the moon hasnt risen yet which makes sense at the time cause the sun is setting n it will def cast the shadow lol


Yeah no luck. Checked a few minutes ago and it's just a full moon. If I checked it just after sunset might have seen the last part of it.

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Re: Astronomy

Postby maj. tom » November 25th, 2023, 9:56 am

New Webb telescope discoveries yet again.

NASA’s Webb Reveals New Features in Heart of Milky Way
https://www.nasa.gov/missions/webb/nasas-webb-reveals-new-features-in-heart-of-milky-way/

The latest image from NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope shows a portion of the dense center of our galaxy in unprecedented detail, including never-before-seen features astronomers have yet to explain. The star-forming region, named Sagittarius C (Sgr C), is about 300 light-years from the Milky Way’s central supermassive black hole, Sagittarius A*.

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Amid the estimated 500,000 stars in the image is a cluster of protostars – stars that are still forming and gaining mass – producing outflows that glow like a bonfire in the midst of an infrared-dark cloud. At the heart of this young cluster is a previously known, massive protostar over 30 times the mass of our Sun. The cloud the protostars are emerging from is so dense that the light from stars behind it cannot reach Webb, making it appear less crowded when in fact it is one of the most densely packed areas of the image. Smaller infrared-dark clouds dot the image, looking like holes in the starfield. That’s where future stars are forming.

Webb’s NIRCam (Near-Infrared Camera) instrument also captured large-scale emission from ionized hydrogen surrounding the lower side of the dark cloud, shown cyan-colored in the image. Typically, Crowe says, this is the result of energetic photons being emitted by young massive stars, but the vast extent of the region shown by Webb is something of a surprise that bears further investigation. Another feature of the region that Crowe plans to examine further is the needle-like structures in the ionized hydrogen, which appear oriented chaotically in many directions.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 8th, 2024, 12:42 pm

Landing on the moon again

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The first US lunar lander in over 50 years blasted off from the Cape Canaveral Space Station onboard the United Launch Alliance's (ULA) Vulcan Centaur launch system at 0218 Eastern Time today. Called the Peregrine 1, the lander will reach the Moon in February.

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Postby bluefete » January 8th, 2024, 3:11 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Landing on the moon again

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The first US lunar lander in over 50 years blasted off from the Cape Canaveral Space Station onboard the United Launch Alliance's (ULA) Vulcan Centaur launch system at 0218 Eastern Time today. Called the Peregrine 1, the lander will reach the Moon in February.


IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT HAS GONE WRONG

https://news.sky.com/story/anomaly-dete ... a-13044190

Thomas Moore

Science correspondent

@SkyNewsThomas
This had looked like a dream start to the Peregrine Mission.

But its future now hangs in the balance.

Astrobotic says the spacecraft isn't in a "stable sun-pointing orientation".

That suggests its solar panels won't be harvesting anywhere near enough solar energy and if the company can't quickly stabilise the lunar lander it will lose power.

It's unclear what has gone wrong.

Everything seemed to be working perfectly. When mission controllers woke up the spacecraft, after it was released from the launch rocket, everything performed as expected.

It's possible that there is a problem with the sensors the spacecraft uses to orientate its position using the sun and stars. Or perhaps there is a software glitch.

Astrobotic will be trying to work a solution. If it's hardware, can they use a back-up system? If it's software, can they upload new computer code to correct the bug?

They'll be doing everything they can to save the mission.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 12th, 2024, 7:11 pm

UK scientists have discovered a gigantic, ring-shaped structure in space.
It is 1.3bn light-years in diameter and appears to be roughly 15 times the size of the Moon in the night sky as seen from Earth.


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Anyone else bought a DWARF TWO

Bought one of Amazon haven't gotten time to open yet

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streetbeastINC. wrote:Anyone else bought a DWARF TWO

Bought one of Amazon haven't gotten time to open yet

Didn't know of this until now - thanks!
Let us know how it works from here

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Ok i will, it was 400 for Christmas... i still haven't gotten time to open

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 15th, 2024, 1:41 pm

Astronomers have created the biggest ever model of the evolution of the Universe, from the Big Bang to the present day, using one of the world’s most powerful super-computers.

The model was based on Einstein’s general theory of relativity, the accepted theory for explaining the structure of the Universe.

However the results suggest there may be problems with Einstein’s work, which predicts how matter should have spread out over the 13.8 billion years since the Big Bang. The results of the new model, called the Dark Energy Survey, show significant differences from Einstein’s predictions.


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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » January 15th, 2024, 8:37 pm

^ yeah I don't think that's what they meant.

There's a name for inserting a god into spaces of science we don't yet understand.
It's called "God of the gaps"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps
When we didn't understand what lightning was, we thought it was Zeus.
When we didn't understand the sea and storms we thought it was Neptune.

I doubt that is what you would want to relegate your god to.

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Re: Astronomy

Postby maj. tom » January 16th, 2024, 10:09 am

Skipping over bluefete's usual short-sighted and religious-cult adapted method of interpretation of science (these "discussions" are always circular and lead nowhere because of wanton deliberate conditioned ignorance), and continue the discussion. I want to quote something from Richard Feynman a bit lower down. And note that we do have utmost confidence in Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, beyond a doubt actually because so many experiments and observations from many branches of mathematics, physics and chemistry have proved it.

However just like Newton's Laws of Gravity, they are probably incomplete and too simplistic with newer observations that we are now making as we advance our technology to observe the world and universe. Just like how we later observed the orbit of Mercury was not aligning with Newton's Laws but were explained with the further knowledge discovered centuries later by Einstein. The physics is the same. It was just a more advanced explanation for our level of understanding of something as simple as the planetary motion of a body around a mass. So it's saying that the Universe is much more complicated than what we believe we know now, and we will continue the march of discovery as long as the human brain and curiosity exists. We make new observations with new technology. We advance our knowledge and understanding. Before these new observations we were satisfied with the explanations of what we could only observe up to that point. But of course this is the whole point of science.

So the topic here is the Cosmological Principle which states that the universe on large scales should more or less be uniform. It goes all the way back to Newton actually, so it's a bit archaic. Because it's only now that we have had telescopes and projects to observe the Deep Universe like this. And it's always been a bit shaky because we always have been using Newton's Laws to determine this Principle, which makes sense in its context of what we had observed. But since the 1980s there has been another puzzling discovery about Gravity that we now term Dark Energy and Dark Matter, i.e. we still don't know that much about it and we have not formed a more advanced theory which explains it all. And it may take centuries to develop into a more advanced theory than what Einstein proposed to explain these particular observations. So imagine what the Wikipedia entry for Cosmological Principle will look like in the year 2624. The same way how retrograde motion of planets was fully explainable back in the day before Newton by astrology using epicycles, but that explanation is now so ridiculous to us in the 21st century.

We also have to crawl before we walk and run, just imagine taking Einstein's theories and proposing it to the scientific community in the year 1666. Would it even make sense with that knowledge of the time? Or show Newton a microwave oven in operation? You think the most genius man alive of that time would even understand the basic Form 2 physics principles that we take for granted to learn so casually today?

As science developed and measurements were made more accurate, the tests of Newton’s Law became more stringent, and the first careful tests involved the moons of Jupiter. By accurate observations of the way they went around over long periods of time one could check that everything was according to Newton, and it turned out to be not the case. The moons of Jupiter appeared to get sometimes eight minutes ahead of time and sometimes eight minutes behind time, where the time is the calculated value according to Newton’s Laws. It was noticed that they were ahead of schedule when Jupiter was close to the earth and behind schedule when it was far away, a rather odd circumstance. Mr Roemer,* having confidence in the Law of Gravitation, came to the interesting conclusion that it takes light some time to travel from the moons of Jupiter to the earth, and what we are looking at when we see the moons is not how they are now but how they were the time ago it took the light to get here.

When Jupiter is near us it takes less time for the light to come, and when Jupiter is farther from us it takes longer time, so Roemer had to correct the observations for the differences in time and by the fact that they were this much early or that much late. In this way he was able to determine the velocity of light. This was the first demonstration that light was not an instantaneously propagating material.

I bring this particular matter to your attention because it illustrates that when a law is right it can be used to find another one. If we have confidence in a law, then if something appears to be wrong it can suggest to us another phenomenon. If we had not known the Law of Gravitation we would have taken much longer to find the speed of light, because we would not have known what to expect of Jupiter’s satellites. This process has developed into an avalanche of discoveries, each new discovery permits the tools for much more discovery, and this is the beginning of the avalanche which has gone on now for 400 years in a continuous process, and we are still avalanching along at high speed.
*Ole Rømer

Feynman, Richard (1965). The Character of Physical Law. MIT Press.

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