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Habit7 wrote:litos wrote:why on tuner does everything have to devolve into race or some inane comical discussion? can we not as a people remain ardently intellectual to an intellectual topic?
When you are a racist and you attempt to condemn another racist intellectually. Very soon your own racist ideology will poor out. And when you start receiving the same condemnation you were trying to give Theodore, you lash out in nastiness.
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De Dragon wrote:Wraith King wrote:pugboy wrote:no and he claimed the 20% picks were racist picks
Was there anyone from the African community that condemned Theodore's statements?
Tuntsy did Well, kinda), if Tuntsy is indeed Afro, or maybe he's a tortured, trolling Indo, but his reasons weren't to condemn racism, it was to try to show other 2NRers as racist ironically by also appearing to be racist himself
litos wrote:A pleasant afternoon Dragon.
I appreciate your metacognitive contribution...indeed you have done well to delve deeper into a discussion. i am rather impressed. hats off to you and you have earned cudos.
hmmm,
Your biases are alarming racist especially in a plural society.
Woe be unto us should you my dear tuner ever hold a position of authority.
What would your initiatives be like my dearest Dragon....race polarization affirmative policies for some but not others?
Don't make this political. Remember that every government is tasked with achieving the same goals according the Millennium Sustainable Development Initiatives.... how mentally incapacitated can you be Dragon? Have you read this document? speak from a sensible point....and especially from terra firma...or else u just jacka$$$ing the scene.
Dragon....YOU DO RECOGNIZE that the concept of GOOD GOVERANCE is the use of power for the delivery of goods and resources for the majority regardless of whether they voted for you or not?
Claiming now that some have ascendened while others have bot is a moot point. you show entirely your intellectual ineptitude. careful crossing the road ok...it might confuse you....this left right bussineness.
Theodore is defeating his own argument by say in some have been more advanced than others since it is equivalent to saying that the govt has been favoring some over others. its inane and enormously ridiculous to even purport this.
Lord...i beg for you to bestow intelligence upon...
Dragon. Grow up.
As previously said.
many are schooled but few are educated.
have a marvelous day. be safe...mask up and sanitize ok,
litos wrote:Why does a serious conversation on education have to degrade?
Its not gutter politics or race here.
Its culture.
YessMASH wrote:paid trolls? bots?
litos wrote:Theodore has his views and no doubt Wraith he has substantial evidence to support his cliam. interesting to know my dearest audience is that statistics and authoritative evidence can be maligned for whatever purpose. not to sidetrack...but christianity was the basic of mass persecution disempowerment of many and the enslavement of races.
the principle does not validate the application.
Theodore...poor fellow...schooled but not educated.
i read through Wraith...as an educator myself it astonishes me that this devolves into race...its not race...but culture as a variable of social stratification...but education has become the new variable of social class structures and while thuggery may be seen with race specific strata...illiteracy isnt. illiteracy exists across the board...it manifests in behaviour like i see here in many comments. that being said i am loath to judge...lest i too be judged. people will hold their anachronistic and biased views regardless...and again like an ironic red herring argument...education is the only avenue available to break the bondage of illiteracy and stupidity and race and gimme gimme,,,,u have i take because...and because...and because.
litos wrote:https://developingeconomics.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/chapter-5-the-caribbean-plantation-economy-and-dependency-theory.pdf
read Lloyd Best's socio-political socio-economic evaluation of dependency and the issue of application of affirmative action and positive discrimination.
its farcical until we as a post colonial society learn that we are underdogs and need to congeal in order to succeed. the distrust and mistrust of the colonial era must be overcome especially through education.
consider this....education is the only practical mechanism through which real cultural change can be wrought. its the only way that we can change the way of thinking of our people.
this infighting and crabs in a barrel mentality keep us here in servitude and obeisance to the mighty metropolitan economic machine. we are a self fulfilling prophecy in their eyes and they no doubt are rejoice because of the imperialism they have injected so masterfully. we love to divide...but ALWAYS fail to see the divisor.
we are the masters of our destiny....Wraith Zoom Porn Redman Habit Honourable Dragon sMASh et al
De Dragon wrote:litos wrote:A pleasant afternoon Dragon.
I appreciate your metacognitive contribution...indeed you have done well to delve deeper into a discussion. i am rather impressed. hats off to you and you have earned cudos.
hmmm,
Your biases are alarming racist especially in a plural society.
Woe be unto us should you my dear tuner ever hold a position of authority.
What would your initiatives be like my dearest Dragon....race polarization affirmative policies for some but not others?
Don't make this political. Remember that every government is tasked with achieving the same goals according the Millennium Sustainable Development Initiatives.... how mentally incapacitated can you be Dragon? Have you read this document? speak from a sensible point....and especially from terra firma...or else u just jacka$$$ing the scene.
Dragon....YOU DO RECOGNIZE that the concept of GOOD GOVERANCE is the use of power for the delivery of goods and resources for the majority regardless of whether they voted for you or not?
Claiming now that some have ascendened while others have bot is a moot point. you show entirely your intellectual ineptitude. careful crossing the road ok...it might confuse you....this left right bussineness.
Theodore is defeating his own argument by say in some have been more advanced than others since it is equivalent to saying that the govt has been favoring some over others. its inane and enormously ridiculous to even purport this.
Lord...i beg for you to bestow intelligence upon...
Dragon. Grow up.
As previously said.
many are schooled but few are educated.
have a marvelous day. be safe...mask up and sanitize ok,
You realize that you come off as a boorish snobby faux "educator"?
You realize that also come across as incredibly naïve if you believe that ANY T&T government doesn't have explicit bias towards their supporters/base right?
You realize that while you wish to appear intellectual, your spelling, punctuation, grammar and syntax are of the Primary school level?
You realize that you're boring and tiresome already?
Soul Collector wrote:This was your first post on the thread I believe. Interesting to see how far you've come in just a few hours skimming through some of your comments that followed. You trying to sound all high and mighty but just coming across as a bare kant.litos wrote:Why does a serious conversation on education have to degrade?
Its not gutter politics or race here.
Its culture.
He's trying to shift the red government fail attempt of pushing race into a culture thing.Soul Collector wrote:This was your first post on the thread I believe. Interesting to see how far you've come in just a few hours skimming through some of your comments that followed. You trying to sound all high and mighty but just coming across as a bare kant.litos wrote:Why does a serious conversation on education have to degrade?
Its not gutter politics or race here.
Its culture.
He's trying to shift the red government fail attempt of pushing race into a culture thing. Nice try from these paid red government bloggersSoul Collector wrote:This was your first post on the thread I believe. Interesting to see how far you've come in just a few hours skimming through some of your comments that followed. You trying to sound all high and mighty but just coming across as a bare kant.litos wrote:Why does a serious conversation on education have to degrade?
Its not gutter politics or race here.
Its culture.
Wraith King wrote:Intelligence and morals have no value to the two party supporters when it comes to politics.
Using the current situation we are in, most PNM supporters will rather suffer than admit the party they support got it all wrong. I'm not saying they have to stop supporting the party but at least hold them accountable to do better but it seems.they simply can't even begin to admit to themselves the party has done the nation wrong much less demand reasonable action to remedy the situation. However, blind loyalty not going to put food on the table. I would reserve being hopeful that the situation opens persons eyes as they seem to be hypnotised or under some sort of political spell.
sam1978 wrote:$180,000 / 2 = $140,000 . I hope is not the same maths they using for CEPEP salaries.
sam1978 wrote:$180,000 / 2 = $140,000 . I hope is not the same maths they using for CEPEP salaries.
daxt0r wrote:Wraith King wrote:Intelligence and morals have no value to the two party supporters when it comes to politics.
Using the current situation we are in, most PNM supporters will rather suffer than admit the party they support got it all wrong. I'm not saying they have to stop supporting the party but at least hold them accountable to do better but it seems.they simply can't even begin to admit to themselves the party has done the nation wrong much less demand reasonable action to remedy the situation. However, blind loyalty not going to put food on the table. I would reserve being hopeful that the situation opens persons eyes as they seem to be hypnotised or under some sort of political spell.
You mad or wat, hold d party accountable, mwhhahahaha. Forget corruption and nepotism for a sec you cya get Redman/Elec/PronHabit to even admit that PNM brainchild gimme-gimme programmes like CEPEP/URP have stolen more from the economy than Kamala ever could and that it leads to a dunce uneducated population with no desire for upward mobility (unless it involves killing/robbing/raping the actual hard working citizens).
An wa d ass wrong with yuh blind party loyalty putting food on the table, yuh ent see the scum that is CEPEP folks getting paid or wa, is d hard working man getting retrenched or no pay leave; employees of gimme gimme programmes and public service quite safe an comfy gettin paid to do the bare minimum so voter based locked, 2025 election is easy peezy, ah mean which person don't like free money, even ah hyena in the jungle could appreciate da.
zoom rader wrote:goalpost wrote:Thread just turn to mud slinging.
Clean up required.
What mud slinging?
These racist Habit7 and Redman need to be exposed.
Redman wrote:daxt0r wrote:Wraith King wrote:Intelligence and morals have no value to the two party supporters when it comes to politics.
Using the current situation we are in, most PNM supporters will rather suffer than admit the party they support got it all wrong. I'm not saying they have to stop supporting the party but at least hold them accountable to do better but it seems.they simply can't even begin to admit to themselves the party has done the nation wrong much less demand reasonable action to remedy the situation. However, blind loyalty not going to put food on the table. I would reserve being hopeful that the situation opens persons eyes as they seem to be hypnotised or under some sort of political spell.
You mad or wat, hold d party accountable, mwhhahahaha. Forget corruption and nepotism for a sec you cya get Redman/Elec/PronHabit to even admit that PNM brainchild gimme-gimme programmes like CEPEP/URP have stolen more from the economy than Kamala ever could and that it leads to a dunce uneducated population with no desire for upward mobility (unless it involves killing/robbing/raping the actual hard working citizens).
An wa d ass wrong with yuh blind party loyalty putting food on the table, yuh ent see the scum that is CEPEP folks getting paid or wa, is d hard working man getting retrenched or no pay leave; employees of gimme gimme programmes and public service quite safe an comfy gettin paid to do the bare minimum so voter based locked, 2025 election is easy peezy, ah mean which person don't like free money, even ah hyena in the jungle could appreciate da.
That's why cepep expenditure peaked 2010 -2015...cuz PNM.
That's why tanty kams flams with unemployment numbers below 5% using Cepep as the tool to get it low.
That's why I've posted that by my numbers only 30% of Cepep expenditure actually make it to the target of the social programs.
But like you said you post plenty crap.....so carry on.
Wraith King wrote:sam1978 wrote:$180,000 / 2 = $140,000 . I hope is not the same maths they using for CEPEP salaries.
Is CEPEP meant to be a permanent social solution to the workers?
Racist kantRedman wrote:zoom rader wrote:goalpost wrote:Thread just turn to mud slinging.
Clean up required.
What mud slinging?
These racist Habit7 and Redman need to be exposed.
Ministers change views on 'dead-end' jobs
New jockey on the tiger's back
Published on Nov 18, 2011, 10:56 pm AST
Opposition Leader Dr Keith Rowley and former prime minister Patrick Manning have both knocked Government's "Colour me Orange" programme, saying that when the United National Congress (UNC) was in Opposition they openly criticised these very types of programmes and today they are following the very same path which they condemned.
The following are some of the comments made in the past by now Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Housing Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal and Attorney General Anand Ramlogan on Community-Based Environmental Protection and Enhancement Programme
(CEPEP) and Unemployment Relief Programme (URP) programmes.
Then Opposition MP Kamla Persad-Bissessar on May 6, 2010, at a political meeting in Couva where she slammed the former Government on crime, said:
"Manning allowed a handful of criminals to blossom and grow. The PNM nurtured these infant gangs with lucrative URP and CEPEP contracts. He called them 'community leaders' and wined them and dined them.
"He exploited their vulnerable dependency syndrome, because he wanted to ride the back of the tiger into political office. Now, he can neither dismount, nor wound this creature that he has created, for fear that this very tiger will discriminately devour even the hands of those that once fed it."
Kamla Persad-Bissessar, in her 2006/2007 budget reply, also criticised the People's National Movement (PNM) for low-level income programmes:
"The UNC government of 1995-2001 created over 85,000 well-paid, permanent jobs. By our policies we inspired job creation in the private sector. We moved the unemployment figure from almost 19 per cent in 1995 to 10 per cent by 2001. We did not use URP, CEPEP and MUST to further disempower and humiliate the jobless into a dependency syndrome.
"Mr Speaker, it is on this matter that the opposition wishes to express the highest level of condemnation of the Manning administration. The PNM has introduced a backward and archaic labour strategy of shoving the low-skilled into a dependency syndrome and therefore presiding over the inter-generational transfer of poverty and dependency.
"They should take a bow! Very few governments have destroyed their own supporters in this way."
Government Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal had issued a press release in March 2006, knocking the then PNM government for boosting employment in the CEPEP and URP programmes:
"The PNM government has taken the dependency syndrome to new heights by creating a form of white-collar DEWD or ten-days syndrome. Today, unlike in the past, even those with secondary or tertiary education are on temporary jobs, which when concluded leaves them to beg for more short-term jobs," he said.
Attorney General Anand Ramlogan, in his column in the Guardian in August 2007 entitled "A loveless thing" criticised the former PNM government on CEPEP programmes.
"Which parent dreamed of having his or her child become a CEPEP worker? Is this what the original grandfathers in PNM heartland areas expected after almost half-a-decade of PNM rule?
"Surely, the dream was that their grandchildren will be the ones driving past in air-conditioned cars on their way to work, waving to the less fortunate in our society who are forced to resort to cutting grass by the roadside to make a living!
"There is no future in CEPEP. It is a dead-end road. It is not a serious career option. It does not add value to the economy. To perpetuate this dependency syndrome is a crime against humanity and makes the PNM 'a loveless thing'."
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 8b35c.html
...CEPEP workforce doubled to 11,000
Jul 8, 2011
Cabinet took a decision to almost double the Community-based Environmental Protection and Enhancement Programme (CEPEP) workforce to satisfy the need for labour in various areas that were unrepresented, Government Minister Dr Roodal Moonilal said yesterday.
Following a tour of the Government Campus Plaza and Tower D at the Waterfront, Port of Spain, Moonilal confirmed that the number of CEPEP workers increased from 6,000 to 11,000 since the People's Partnership government came into power.
"Between May 2010 to May 2011 the employment level in the CEPEP increased from approximately 6,000 to 11,000. There was an increase pursuant to a Cabinet decision, an increase in the number of contractors to satisfy the need of various geographical areas that were unrepresented," said Moonilal.
He said CEPEP was restructured because there were contractors in the programme for eight years.
He said in this restructuring exercise 150 workers were affected.
However, Moonilal said steps were being taken to ensure no one was jobless.
CEPEP established an employment bureau at its Chaguanas headquarters, where affected people could register in order to be re-employed, he pointed out.
Moonilal added that CEPEP was mobilised and on full alert in the event of any flash flooding or natural disasters caused by the inclement weather expected this weekend.
https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 0a35e.html
It's Habit7 way of diverting the original topic.pugboy wrote:so we switch from the original topic of brightman theodore to the normal windup toy responses yes
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