Ukraine Russia War

[sMASH]

My chess buns when i dont see Ukraine nazi documentaries

[adnj]

Himars strike wipes out crowd of Russian soldiers lined up to hear general's speech

More than 100 troops may have been killed in occupied Ukrainian town of Kreminna after they were left waiting for hours in large numbers

More than a hundred Russian soldiers may have been killed by a Ukrainian Himars strike after they were ordered to wait in large numbers to listen to a general’s speech, Russian sources have said.

The Russian ministry of defence has not commented on the reported attack, which bloggers connected to the Russian military said occurred near the front line in the Luhansk region on Wednesday morning,

“Near Kremenna a tragic incident took place in one of the divisions mustered there for an offensive. People stood in a crowd for two hours in one place and waited for the divisional commander to give his motivational speech,” reported Rybar, a war blog with close links to the Russian military.

The crowd was hit by “Ukrainian Himars and artillery” before the general showed up, Rybar reported.

Kremenna is the Russian spelling for the Ukrainian town of Kreminna. It is currently held by Russia but is less than ten miles behind the frontline, putting it well within range of larger artillery systems.

Several military Telegram channels blamed Maj Gen Zurab Akhmedov, the commander of the 20th combined arms army, for the disaster, but did not provide specific evidence.

Maj Gen Akhmedov was last year accused by Russian marines of using them as “cannon fodder” during a poorly planned attack that they said cost 300 lives.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/ ... r-ukraine/

[VexXx Dogg]

cannon fodder/meat grinder. It's almost a WW1 strategy.

[sMASH]

The vultures are feasting.
The great grandchildren will have to pay

[VexXx Dogg]

I see Russia is rattling their nukes. On the phone and browser lost the article. It’s on the bbc. They’re moving tactical nukes to Belarus

[sMASH]

Ent they using ole tanks now... Now is a good time for Ukraine to push... While they are nit well armed

[Dohplaydat]

Ukraine war: Zelensky admits slow progress but says offensive is not a movie

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65971790

I suspect he's likely preparing the west and Ukrainians to accept the fact that the offensive has failed and stalled in many areas

[sMASH]

Crimea or bust!

The crimean resistances forces gearing up to fite back the Russian invaders, any day now....

[Dizzy28]

Crimea or bust!

The crimean resistances forces gearing up to fite back the Russian invaders, any day now....

Stop studying Crimea. Start reading some history

Today is the anniversary of Operation Barbarossa, the German Invasion of the Soviet Union.
Germany invaded with what is still today the largest ever massed force in human history. Possibly changed the entire course of WWII as well.

See if you see any similarities b/t Nazi Germany and Russia today.

[maj. tom]

This is madness. Scary madness. Is this really happening? This madman!

Is the first use of nuclear weapons ever justified? A top adviser to Vladimir Putin now says yes
Escalation of nuclear threats from Russia coincides with Ukraine's counteroffensive

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-nuclear-weapons-attack-putin-1.6885338
"The enemy must know that we are ready to deliver a pre-emptive strike ... to prevent a slide into global thermonuclear war," wrote Sergei Karaganov, chair of the Council on Foreign and Defence Policy, a prestigious Russian think-tank, and an adviser to Putin.

Karaganov is believed to be one of the architects of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and has frequently provided an ideological justification for waging war on that country.

[Dizzy28]

This is madness. Scary madness. Is this really happening? This madman!

Is the first use of nuclear weapons ever justified? A top adviser to Vladimir Putin now says yes
Escalation of nuclear threats from Russia coincides with Ukraine's counteroffensive

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-nuclear-weapons-attack-putin-1.6885338
"The enemy must know that we are ready to deliver a pre-emptive strike ... to prevent a slide into global thermonuclear war," wrote Sergei Karaganov, chair of the Council on Foreign and Defence Policy, a prestigious Russian think-tank, and an adviser to Putin.

Karaganov is believed to be one of the architects of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and has frequently provided an ideological justification for waging war on that country.

Given that both China and India have refused to condemn the Russian invasion but are both firm proponents of "No First Use" this will be interesting to get their takes in it.

Also interesting times for Caricom as we have a TT led UN General Assembly and a UN Security Council that has Guyana on it.

[maj. tom]

The scary part is not just First Use. It's the response. MAD strategy from the Cold War Era.

If it happens the Allied response cannot also be nuclear! They now have the technology and spy network to precision target the perpetrator leaders and then just move in with a land Army to accept unconditional surrender. Then rebuild Russia just like they did with Germany from 1946.

President Nixon had said at the time that this would happen, because after the Cold War if the West and their democracy structure were not implement correctly for development of Russia as a superpower it would go very wrong. That all the Soviet people had ever known was non-democracy and the post-Soviet leaders were the same communists who will fill that void the exact same absolute way and lead to something dangerous. This is why the Allies had embarked on a heavy "Denazification" program in Germany after WWII.


Russia was more or less a failed state democratically only a decade after Ukraine and other post-Soviet regions declared their Independence. And now it's completely exposed in the last decade what a farce it has all been with Putin.

[adnj]

This is madness. Scary madness. Is this really happening? This madman!

Is the first use of nuclear weapons ever justified? A top adviser to Vladimir Putin now says yes
Escalation of nuclear threats from Russia coincides with Ukraine's counteroffensive

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-nuclear-weapons-attack-putin-1.6885338
"The enemy must know that we are ready to deliver a pre-emptive strike ... to prevent a slide into global thermonuclear war," wrote Sergei Karaganov, chair of the Council on Foreign and Defence Policy, a prestigious Russian think-tank, and an adviser to Putin.

Karaganov is believed to be one of the architects of Russia's invasion of Ukraine and has frequently provided an ideological justification for waging war on that country.

Assuming that Russia envisages NATO as the enemy that must be destroyed, the de facto military target is then the United States.

The US policy against No First Use is long standing and is a nuclear deterrent aimed squarely at nuclear powers that might decide to strike nonaligned, non-nuclear powers.

Under current U.S. policy, when can the president order a nuclear strike?

Current U.S. policy does not restrict the president’s ability to order a nuclear strike for any reason at any time. The military may reject an order that is perceived to violate laws of war, and there are legal concerns about the role of Congress authorizing the use of force, but as a matter of broad understanding, the president can launch nuclear weapons when and if s/he chose to.

https://armscontrolcenter.org/issues/no ... questions/

In this case, NATO has already discussed nuclear first-strike plans from Russia amongst the member countries to delineate any political concerns. Options that are available for a NATO response: overwhelming conventional weapons incursion, low-yield nuclear weapon launches, or a combination of those two.

That Russia has not taken military action against a NATO member country, and has been careful not to take escalatory action that might provoke a direct NATO response thus far suggests that NATO’s theatre nuclear posture, based on nuclear sharing and the deployment of B61 gravity bombs delivered by Dual-Capable Aircraft (DCA) in Europe, is sufficient for the moment. However, Russia’s behaviour arguably vindicates the 2020 decision by the US to deploy the W76-2 low-yield nuclear warhead atop the D5 Trident Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBM) to complement NATO’s current tactical nuclear weapon mainstay (since they are more survivable than the DCA-delivered B61). In addition, the United Kingdom’s 2021 decision, with its Integrated Review, to expand its nuclear stockpile by 40 percent may also be seen as a reasonable response. While the introduction of US low-yield SLBM adds technical and political flexibility to the strategic calculus, the Alliance’s nuclear posture builds on three decision-making centres – Washington, London and Paris. Other Allies are involved either through the nuclear-sharing agreement underlying the DCAs or through the Nuclear Planning Group, adding a dimension of political unity and an element of strategic decentralisation, which, combined, make it harder for Russia to gauge NATO's possible actions and reactions, thus undermining its possible bets.

https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articl ... index.html

[sMASH]

America IS the only authority on aggressive use of nuclear weapons.



When germany invaded russia, the Russian front did not vote to leave Russia.

[sMASH]

Has the spring offensive started yet?

[Dizzy28]

Seems Prigozhin and Wagner started it on behalf of the Ukrainians

Has the spring offensive started yet?

[bluefete]

Wagner mercenaries march on Moscow to target 'evil' military top brass: Putin on alert as Prigozhin crosses into Russia saying 'we'll destroy anything, we'll go all the way' - Kremlin says he's inciting CIVIL WAR and deploys troops as chaos spirals

There are fears of a coup in Russia this morning as the owner of the Wagner private military Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed his forces have driven into the Russian city of Rostov facing no resistance.



Military vehicles were seen on the streets of Moscow and Rostov-on-Don, where Russia's military headquarters for the war in Ukraine is based, after Prigozhin called for an armed rebellion in direct challenge to the Kremlin.

Prigozhin said his troops crossed into Russia as he called for the ousting of the defense minister and vowed to punish military leaders whom he accused of killing 2,000 of his fighters.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... rikes.html

[Dizzy28]

All according to the masterplan!!

[sMASH]

Quick elenski, time to strike the iron... Its hot!
Run in!

[Dizzy28]

Lol....
This is the perfect time to just sit back and

Quick elenski, time to strike the iron... Its hot!
Run in!

[sMASH]

Shouldn't he attempt to recapture the donbas?

[bluefete]

When you play with fleas you must get bitten plus karma is a .....

Conspiracy theorist mode now: What if the USA paid Prigozhin? He is after all a mercenary.

'This is treason!' Vladimir Putin blasts Wagner chief Prigozhin for a 'stab in the back' and says 'measures will be very hard' as warlord's feared militia sweep into Russian city Rostov-on-Don and Moscow goes onto red alert for a military coup

Prigozhin and his feared 25,000-strong Wagner militia have control of the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don, saying they are 'ready to die' as they vow revenge for a military strike from Putin's forces that the mercenary leader says killed some of his men.

It comes after Prigozhin issued a new message at about 7:30am Moscow time saying his men have infiltrated the Southern Defense Command in Rostov-on-Don and that the city's airfield was under his control.

A message posted on the Wagner Telegram channel on Saturday said: 'Putin made the wrong choice. All the worse for him. Soon we will have a new president.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -coup.html

[Dizzy28]

There has been no rotation or pullback of frontline Russian troops in the Donbass and the rate of artillery fire has not decreased. Ukraine will continue as they see fit.

Shouldn't he attempt to recapture the donbas?

[SuperiorMan]

Russian helicopters battle Wagner mercenaries rolling toward Moscow

ROSTOV-ON-DON/VORONEZH, Russia, June 24 (Reuters) - Russian military helicopters opened fire on Saturday afternoon on a convoy of rebel mercenaries already more than half way towards Moscow in a lightning advance after seizing a southern city overnight.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/wa ... 023-06-24/

Can't believe this actually happening lol

[maj. tom]

Putin calls armed rebellion by Wagner mercenary group a betrayal, vows to defend Russia
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-calls-armed-rebellion-by-wagner-mercenary-group-a-betrayal-and-vows-to-defend-russia/

President Vladimir Putin vowed Saturday to defend Russia against an armed rebellion by mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin, who led his troops out of Ukraine and into a key city south of Moscow.

The uprising, which Putin called "a stab in the back," was the biggest threat to his leadership in over two decades in power.

The private army led by Prigozhin appears to control the military headquarters in Rostov-on-Don, a city 660 miles (over 1,000 kilometers) south of Moscow that runs Russian offensive operations in Ukraine, Britain's Ministry of Defense said in an intelligence briefing.

Meanwhile the Belarus dictator:

The jet of the Belarus Dictator Lukashenko family took off from Belarus and is now in the sky over Turkey.

Upon entering Russian airspace, the aircraft turned off the transponders and turned them on only over Kalmykia, when exiting Russia.


https://twitter.com/akaclandestine/status/1672426735265038339

the same one who said at the start of the Russian invasion said that Ukraine's Zelensky would run and hide.

[bluefete]

^^ No wonder Turkey does not want Ukraine to join NATO.

[SuperiorMan]

Soooo Putin fled?

[pugboy]

turkey like to play them is nice guy but they somewhat dodgy
look how the saudis murdered the guy there

^^ No wonder Turkey does not want Ukraine to join NATO.

[Dizzy28]

Turkey doing what is in Turkey's best interests. They assisted in brokering the grain deal, sent hundreds of MRAPS and their indigenous MLRS system with a greater range than HIMARS and who can forget Bayraktar.

However they also live in the region unlike the USA or UK and have to live with future consequences

turkey like to play them is nice guy but they somewhat dodgy
look how the saudis murdered the guy there

^^ No wonder Turkey does not want Ukraine to join NATO.

[sMASH]

Russia has to save the allied forces, once again