The Religion Discussion

[Chimera]

When he coming to save mankind btw?

UNAIDS estimates for 2008 (which are latest figures available) there were roughly:

* 33.4 million living with HIV
* 2.7 million new infections of HIV
* 2 million deaths from AIDS
* Approximately 7 out of 10 deaths for 2008 were in Sub-Saharan Africa, a region that also has over two-thirds of adult HIV cases and over 90% of new HIV infections amongst children.


http://www.globalissues.org/article/90/aids-in-africa


Wham, God doh like black people?

[megadoc1]

When he coming to save mankind btw?

UNAIDS estimates for 2008 (which are latest figures available) there were roughly:

* 33.4 million living with HIV
* 2.7 million new infections of HIV
* 2 million deaths from AIDS
* Approximately 7 out of 10 deaths for 2008 were in Sub-Saharan Africa, a region that also has over two-thirds of adult HIV cases and over 90% of new HIV infections amongst children.


http://www.globalissues.org/article/90/aids-in-africa


Wham, God doh like black people?

how do people get aids?

[Chimera]

When he coming to save mankind btw?

UNAIDS estimates for 2008 (which are latest figures available) there were roughly:

* 33.4 million living with HIV
* 2.7 million new infections of HIV
* 2 million deaths from AIDS
* Approximately 7 out of 10 deaths for 2008 were in Sub-Saharan Africa, a region that also has over two-thirds of adult HIV cases and over 90% of new HIV infections amongst children.


http://www.globalissues.org/article/90/aids-in-africa


Wham, God doh like black people?

how do people get aids?

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Yes, please tell me how the innocent babies and children get aids.

[megadoc1]

When he coming to save mankind btw?

UNAIDS estimates for 2008 (which are latest figures available) there were roughly:

* 33.4 million living with HIV
* 2.7 million new infections of HIV
* 2 million deaths from AIDS
* Approximately 7 out of 10 deaths for 2008 were in Sub-Saharan Africa, a region that also has over two-thirds of adult HIV cases and over 90% of new HIV infections amongst children.


http://www.globalissues.org/article/90/aids-in-africa


Wham, God doh like black people?

how do people get aids?

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Yes, please tell me how the innocent babies and children get aids.

yuh mean to tell me you dont know? what you really know?

[Chimera]

I mean from a spiritual standpoint.

Why do children get aids/are born disabled or sick?

Because of sins of their parents or ancestors right?

How does that fit into the whole "God loves you and is coming to save you and died for your sins"

Cuz it seems he does a lot more harm than Good.

[eyephone]

Wham, God doh like black people?

Interesting point there. Did Jesus ever visit India or Africa by chance? In all the paintings and images with Jesus and his followers and even of those when he died on the cross, I don't see any other races.

[megadoc1]

I mean from a spiritual standpoint.
he is holy

Why do children get aids/are born disabled or sick?
we established that yesterday where were you the posts are still there check them out

Because of sins of their parents or ancestors right?
yesterdays posts

How does that fit into the whole "God loves you and is coming to save you and died for your sins"
in yesterdays posts

Cuz it seems he does a lot more harm than Good.you are trying to hard but look at what it is doing to you

[megadoc1]

Wham, God doh like black people? i am black and God loves me

Interesting point there.Did Jesus ever visit India or Africa by chance? In all the paintings and images with Jesus and his followers and even of those when he died on the cross, I don't see any other races.

since it is interesting you can look it up do some research yourself and make an informed decision thats the best investment you can ever make in your lifetime
plus information is easily available

[MG Man]

Wham, God doh like black people?

Interesting point there. Did Jesus ever visit India or Africa by chance? In all the paintings and images with Jesus and his followers and even of those when he died on the cross, I don't see any other races.

he tried, but his sandals wore out and he got feet blisters
but your point is valid beyond the boundaries of christianity. pretty much all religions' heroes remain home-bound, for the most part. Hence the need for brainwashed followers to 'spread the word'
the most modern iteration of this that comes to mind is sai baba......where does he really go?

[toyo682]

so, the sin was eating the forbidden fruit, not so? it it was so bad to do that,, why put the tree there in the first place?
1) The sin was not eating the fruit but breaking God's command
2) As to why He put it there. we must first consider that God created man to have fellowship. Now since God wanted fellowship he did not make man a mindless robot that can do no other, because to do such would mean that the love man shows to God is mechanical and not genuine. For in scripture we see that angels have this will also, the difference between man and angels being God created man in his image and likeness. Now we must keep in mind that although Satan opposes God or rather is in opposition to God, he is in by no means the opposite of God.

Satan is not all powerful, omnipresent, all knowing. Now the problem most people seem to have is if God is all knowing then why did HE not stop these events. Since man was create with the same freewill as Lucifer and the angles there will always be the potential to rebel against God. In Satan's case it was an act of willful rebellion hence the fact he will never repent or submit to God. Now I believe in order for God the ensure that this does not happen with man and that we will be doomed to the same faith as Satan,God allowed Satan and man to be in the same place at the same time with man, because he knows Satan's heart.

Continue to keep in mind that Satan is not all knowing nor does he know the future. All he has in mind was is to hurt God. So Satan deceives the woman in to disobeying God. Now the difference between Satan's sin and Man's sin, man's was a result of deception not so much will, if you understand. Now God could offer a solution that would result in man being saved. God was and is still in control, now we don't have to go to hell, the Bible is clear Hell was made for Satan and his angels not man, but as long as they can keep man believing in their way, they can drag man there. Well why does God not just stop everything, because it goes against His nature, so because He knows what we don't know and see's what we don't see, His plans will be accomplished. the words that come out of his mouth will not return void, but will accomplish what they have set out to do.

u have set up a weird unnecessary sequence of events by placing those two trees there, and demonizing poor little serpents in the process, and making women the detractors from good when blaming the temptation of adam on them.
according to u serpents are bad and women are bad, because they get even more punishment than adam who said this????


have u ever bothered to understand why god place the trees there? i am not asking about what each tree represents, but what was god intention in having such powerful things there, which could cause so much pain and suffering, why put it there?Answer above^^^^
islam explains it beautifully,

don't mistake acceptance with understanding,,,,

[Chimera]

Anyone else notice how this makes no sense at all?

Jesus died for your sins, but you still sin everyday (no matter what you do) so you constantly need to beg forgiveness.
What was the point of Jesus dying then?

Furthermore, newborn babies apparently also sin (I would love to know how)
That aside, they are subject to pay for the sins of their parents and even ancestors from thousands of years ago.

Its Jesus way or the highway, apparently his followers just decide that everyone is going to hell except them.

Your ordained priests are suddenly not "Followers of God" if they are caught doing wrong, and the devil has got to them. But what happen to forgiveness? Can't you forgive a priest for raping a little boy?

[megadoc1]

Anyone else notice how this makes no sense at all?

Jesus died for your sins, true but you still sin everyday (no matter what you do)
thats a lie it means that person doesn't understand or value what jesus did for them
so you constantly need to beg forgiveness.
What was the point of Jesus dying then?yuh understand?

Furthermore, newborn babies apparently also sin (I would love to know how)
That aside, they are subject to pay for the sins of their parents and even ancestors from thousands of years ago.yesterdays posts again

Its Jesus way or the highway, apparently his followers just decide that everyone is going to hell except them.he is God who are you?

Your ordained priests are suddenly not "Followers of God" FYI followers of jesus are priests if they are caught doing wrong, and the devil has got to them it dosent matter if they get caught or not once they are not following God they will sin. But what happen to forgiveness? Can't you forgive a priest for raping a little boy? if he repent and turn to God he will be forgiven

[sMASH]

your religion does not have respect for others.

As my post says, you condemn all other religions and their followers, and condemn children that are born sick as "sinners", you condemned the jews , because they did not believe in Jesus and seek forgiveness.

Why do you deserve respect when you do not show it for others

well then respect yourself
God dont need to respect man
man needs to respect God
it may not matter to you now but some day you will show him respect I only hope it may not be too late

... yet he went so far as to kill his son! whether the assignment of son is literal or figurative, it is the reference we have as persons in society with morals, emotions, values, and feelings. the concept of the only begotten son would have been the pinnacle of a man's achievement in the world, those times, and today greatly significant. so much so that a person would rather sacrifice themselves in place of their any of their sons,far less for the only begotten.
my point is, that was a literary reference to show how much god gave up for the common man. but saying god giving up something, even small, but something as great as his only begotten, makes him less.. after. this also ascribes human aspects to god, in that he sacrifices one to save another, he cannot come into contact with the lesser because he is so holy, he realizes that man cannot remove sin on his own, and so has to come up with an idea, or all men goin to hell ( so he didnt think about that when he decided to place the two trees in the garden,,, how absent minded,,,, my supervisor would say that he not thinking holistically)

nismo, aba's words may be insulting, but they are not insults. if u find them insulting, figure out what about them conjures those feelings. as i see it, he just reproduced what blue and megga toted.

switchblade, u hit on a principle which so profound, blue not going to understand what u talkin about, megga may see it but wont see it enough to even start in the right direction, and nismo goin and be insulted again.

i feeling to spell it out here,, but dat is your rosetta stone,,,,, wow! i didnt think about that before

[MG Man]

so megaduck, how will the bible account for live elsewhere in the universe when it's discovered?

[megadoc1]

so megaduck, how will the bible account for live elsewhere in the universe when it's discovered?

how will you account for your life when you go before God?

[MG Man]

is that your final answer?

[Chimera]

First of, you saying nismotrinidadappa dont know what he talking about then?
That he have the wrong belief and is on a pathway to hell?

ABA Trading these questions were already answered. If you are genuinely asking all well and good. please take the time and read through the thread.
i will still answer it. we are all sinners. every day we sin no matter how big or small therefore we are always in need of gods forgiveness.

Furthermore, So a man could go around committing crimes, raping and murdering his whole life or living in sin and enjoying life , but once at the end of his days, he just hadda repent, and VOOSH, he on the next cloud to heaven?

[Sky]

so megaduck, how will the bible account for live elsewhere in the universe when it's discovered?

how will you account for your life when you go before God?

Lol and another square cut to the boundary ladies and gentlemen. He doesn't have to answer because he's a christian, and christians are above the rest.

[Chimera]

This Jesus thing not sounding too bad.

I basically can just live life as I want it, go to church every once in a while (to show meh face na, and see if it have any bess thing (Pastor's daughters are always great )) in church who could help me with "bible study".

Drink,Smoke,Womanize as much as I want, engage in criminal activities or lustful desires,

Then when I on my deathbed, I just hadda repent and ask forgiveness, and I getting into heaven!

LOL you guys gonna sure be angry when you see me sitting next to you after my life of promiscuity and happiness, while you lived life as nothing more than a empty vessel.

[megadoc1]

First of, you saying nismotrinidadappa dont know what he talking about then?
That he have the wrong belief and is on a pathway to hell?

ABA Trading these questions were already answered. If you are genuinely asking all well and good. please take the time and read through the thread.
i will still answer it. we are all sinners. every day we sin no matter how big or small therefore we are always in need of gods forgiveness.

Furthermore, So a man could go around committing crimes, raping and murdering his whole life or living in sin and enjoying life , but once at the end of his days, he just hadda repent, and VOOSH, he on the next cloud to heaven?

wasn't that a general statement he means it is in man's nature to sin

[megadoc1]

This Jesus thing not sounding too bad.

I basically can just live life as I want it, go to church every once in a while (to show meh face na, and see if it have any bess thing (Pastor's daughters are always great )) in church who could help me with "bible study".

Drink,Smoke,Womanize as much as I want, engage in criminal activities or lustful desires,
these people you described have their reward how wise of you to want that

Then when I on my deathbed, I just hadda repent and ask forgiveness, and I getting into heaven!so you know you will be dying on a bed? ok

LOL you guys gonna sure be angry when you see me sitting next to you after my life of promiscuity and happiness, while you lived life as nothing more than a empty vessel.

ha ha yuh realy feel so?

[MG Man]

so megaduck, how will the bible account for live elsewhere in the universe when it's discovered?

still waiting on the answer

[megadoc1]

so megaduck, how will the bible account for live elsewhere in the universe when it's discovered?

how will you account for your life when you go before God?

Lol and another square cut to the boundary ladies and gentlemen. He doesn't have to answer because he's a christian, and christians are above the rest.

how will you account for your life when you go before the true and living God?

[megadoc1]

so megaduck, how will the bible account for live elsewhere in the universe when it's discovered?

still waiting on the answer

still waiting on an answer how will you account for your life before God?

[Chimera]

First of, you saying nismotrinidadappa dont know what he talking about then?
That he have the wrong belief and is on a pathway to hell?

ABA Trading these questions were already answered. If you are genuinely asking all well and good. please take the time and read through the thread.
i will still answer it. we are all sinners. every day we sin no matter how big or small therefore we are always in need of gods forgiveness.

Furthermore, So a man could go around committing crimes, raping and murdering his whole life or living in sin and enjoying life , but once at the end of his days, he just hadda repent, and VOOSH, he on the next cloud to heaven?

wasn't that a general statement he means it is in man's nature to sin

That wasn't a general statement, he specifically said that we individually sin everyday. So you saying he don't know what he talking about and he doesn't understand his religion and is so destined on a pathway to hell?

[toyo682]

Anyone else notice how this makes no sense at all?No really

Jesus died for your sins, but you still sin everyday (no matter what you do) so you constantly need to beg forgiveness.
What was the point of Jesus dying then? This is exactly why, everyday we sin. Christ death does not make you not sin but pays for the sin as you do it. Mind you this in not a reason to sin because in doing so you make a mockery of his sacrifice. Christ was the ultimate sacrifice, we don't need to make anymore. What we do not is go to God acknowledge we have sinned against Him, but they we have to privilege to say that Christ has paid the price. Keep in mind sin is not a thing it is rebellion to the laws of God. When we break the laws of the land we have to pay the price. Imagine being pulled over for an offense like drunk driving which requires a heavy fine and time in Jail. when you get to court the judge says you are free to God, someone has paid the fine and done the time. The mercy of God gives us what we don't deserve we receive mercy as a result of Christ's death instead of justice that we deserve.

Furthermore, newborn babies apparently also sin (I would love to know how)
That aside, they are subject to pay for the sins of their parents and even ancestors from thousands of years ago. Now I never said the child sinned, I mere said we sometimes pay for the things our parents do, this applies both physically and spiritually. If a woman drinks and smokes during pregnancy is it God's fault that the baby is born deform. It was a choice of the parent that has bearing on the child. Your argue about my God and why does he not stop these evil. Why does your God not? judging from your rant above I assume that you are Hindu, forgive me if I am wrong, why does the 330,000 gods not do something, they out number my God 330,000 to 1 they should be in a better position to help? How about Allah, why does he not do something or Buddha? Do they not like black people? The death of Jesus is so foolish to you, why do people in India throw their Children to the crocs to get forgiveness for sin. that seems more reasonable to me, lets gather by the Caroni this evening.

If we realize that there are two kingdoms wanting your soul, one to destroy it, one to preserve it. Now once you are not for God you are essentially in the kingdom of darkness. Now every kingdom has a ruler and the king of the kingdom of darkness is Satan. Like we see in history there are kings that have taking over areas and now that the people are following them they treat them poorly. Satan is a wicked king, he subjects his follows to evil and unjust rules, unfair death. Now God paid the ransom so that we can go over to his kingdom, until we do such we remain in the kingdom of darkness and are thus subject to its rules and worst of all ruler.



Its Jesus way or the highway, apparently his followers just decide that everyone is going to hell except them.We certainly don't believe that this is your decided faith that we would not waste time here to speak the truth. It is fun how every time people try to disprove the Bible they seem to prove it. It says the preaching of the gospel is foolishness to them that stands condemned. which is essentially what you are saying it is foolishness. Or what about people who say here my belief and way to god is exactly that mine. The Bible says in the last days men will be lovers of themselves. Which I would say the whole I know the way, but I ent telling you, find it yourself, fits in.

Your ordained priests are suddenly not "Followers of God" if they are caught doing wrong, and the devil has got to them. But what happen to forgiveness? Can't you forgive a priest for raping a little boy?

We can forgive them, but at the same time they need to repent and turn from their sin and sometimes make restitution which if it mean time a jail so be it. I read no where in script where God tells us to have sex with or rape little boys. That is why all this talk about move away from the Bible and use reason is dangerous. If Christians live closer to the Word of God and God, these evils in the Church will not take place. But in case you don't know the Bible does say that these things will happen in the last days. Also it judges the church not only other religions as many believe. Further more Jesus did say on the day of Judgment many will say Lord Lord did I not do this or that in your name. But His answer will be depart from me I know you not. Funny how this priest could fit in there.

[sMASH]

isn't your God all powerful?

He cyar save a few dogs?

you are getting good at asking already answered questions

answer de man question,, u didnt before, so do it now,

and the reason why the same questions keep popping up is because the answer to one question does not tie in with the answer to another. if by some miracle we get an answer to another question, it does not tie in to previous answer

then mega does brush the question aside..


explain in 500 words how does the salvation of man by de death of gods son, work with the poor doggies, and the children in africa with aids and the bandit who raping at will, and why he letting the poor doggies suffer and die if he is all powerful, and why cant he just forgive a person on a case by case basis.
.. one essay to explain every thing and done

megga gonna come with:
-what do u think
-isnt that answered already
-jesus is loving
(and the long time favorite)
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[Chimera]

First of all,

My father is a hindu, my mother is a muslim and I went to a catholic school.

I do not follow any specific religion because all of them have stupid extreme traits which makes no sense at all.

[toyo682]

MG Man on the whole dog thing. A couple questions if I may. Are they created in the image and likeness of God? Did God breathe life into they, which is where we believe the soul comes into play? Do they have a soul to redeem from the fires of hell? Do you wish that God come down and gather them and take them to the TSPCA or open a pound for them? If so, why don't we asking him to come and clean or nations drains, that we throw rubbish in all the times, so the when he sends so much rain people's homes will not flood? While we at it we could get him to widen the drain to accommodate more water. Plow the garden and plant the seeds so we could have food, and pave the roads... Why don't you go and take care of the stray dogs, take ABA with you, since there are somethings God has given us authority to do. When all is done you guys can put another tick in your eternal report card next to goodness and dangle it over god's head when you guys get there.

No offense but somethings stated here are just for the say of arguing

[Chimera]

Toyo , both you and megadoc are apparently staunch believers in Jesus, but one point I want to ask about is, megadoc1 says he does not sin at all and you say that everyone sins everyday.

Megadoc1 says that people who believe that everyone sins everyday do not understand the religion.

So from this, is either you or him don't understand your religion, which is it?

Furthermore, you speak of a mother drinking or smoking and it affects her child, of course everyone knows that.

But why does your all powerful God subject the CHILD to such hardships? The child didn't do anything, the mother did.

That aside, what about bluefete who said the holocaust happened due to something thousands of years before, you believe in that also? That the holocaust was God's work?